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Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible.
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b/c it preaches conservative values which people in the west died and fought to get rid of. all those wars and people that sacrificed will be for nothing.
Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes.
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Show me examples of good islam (compatible with western values) overcoming bad islam?
Seems every time I read a story about islam in a country it's attached to values we wouldn't accept in the west. Which I read as the good always loses once majority rules.
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Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible. So? It doesn't matter. Why would saudis get mad at Christianity becoming their main religion? Why would Buddhist get mad that the creed of the Jedi become their main religion? Because another country's faith is taking over, good or bad. |
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It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
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Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults. You are aware religion was the birth of morality right?
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Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults. yeah b/c abandoning Christianity has done western europe so much good. oh wait it just adopted a worse cult. socialism/statism/fascism.
Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes.
Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg
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Europe has always been a war-torn land of violent people. The only reason they became so dominant in the colonial era is because their arms race enabled them to bully everyone else with impunity.
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XLLIII_B0xxy_43 posted...
Emerald_Melios posted...It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults. Yeah, animals are so immoral man.
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Emerald_Melios posted...
Europe has always been a war-torn land of violent people. Hey, that's not true with had stuff like the Pax Romana for a while!
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XLLIII_B0xxy_43 posted...
Emerald_Melios posted...It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults. Oh gods, can Boxxy stop being dense on purpose?
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I hope one day religion disappear, but that doesn't justify treating believers like shit.
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Muslims make up less than 1% of the US population, and there is absolutely no sign that it will grow to five percent anytime soon, much less enough to overtake Christianity.
Americans love saying their land is one of many faiths. They are wrong. It is a land of many different Christian sects, but if an American is not Christian the American is secular. All other religions (including Judaism) combined much make up around 5% of the population. |
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The cultural differences don't stem from religion alone. America has been predominantly Christian since forever but the culture has changed to the point that the 1800's American culture is incompatible with current American culture despite both being predominantly Christian.
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Jury posted...
Show me examples of good islam (compatible with western values) overcoming bad islam? That's going to be difficult because whenever Muslim countries liberalize, they tend to do shit like keep oil resources to benefit their own citizens instead of the west (imagine that!), then it's time for "regime change" in the name of "fighting communism" or "bringing down a brutal dictator". |
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Americans love saying their land is one of many faiths. They are wrong. It is a land of many different Christian sects, but if an American is not Christian the American is secular. All other religions (including Judaism) combined much make up around 5% of the population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Statistics
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That's going to be difficult because whenever Muslim countries liberalize, they tend to do shit like keep oil resources to benefit their own citizens instead of the west (imagine that!), then it's time for "regime change" in the name of "fighting communism" or "bringing down a brutal dictator".Oil is going to be worth less and less in the future, so it doesn't matter if they keep it for themselves and nationalize it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Statistics
That... Supports what I said though. Muslims are less than 1% of the population, all non Christian religious groups are about 5%, and 95% ofthe population is either Christian (75%) or some sort of secular (20%) |
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1337toothbrush posted...That's going to be difficult because whenever Muslim countries liberalize, they tend to do shit like keep oil resources to benefit their own citizens instead of the west (imagine that!), then it's time for "regime change" in the name of "fighting communism" or "bringing down a brutal dictator".Oil is going to be worth less and less in the future, so it doesn't matter if they keep it for themselves and nationalize it. Yeah, oil is going to be worth less in the future, but up until this point it's been a major factor in our foreign policy. It'll be interesting to see what happens when we don't have to rely on the middle east at all for oil. Obama was making moves distancing us from Saudi Arabia, so I like that aspect. |
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Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible. i wonder if you would blame the girl for getting raped too? |
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That... Supports what I said though. Muslims are less than 1% of the population, all non Christian religious groups are about 5%, and 95% ofthe population is either Christian (75%) or some sort of secular (20%)I want to support you? Is that bad?
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I want to support you? Is that bad? Oh, not at all! You didn't leave a message saying you were providing evidence for what i saw saying so I assumed you were arguing against me |
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Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. Why do we have to replace Christianity with a different religion? Let's just get rid of it all. When you get rid of the cancer, you don't need to replace it with a different cancer. You're cured.
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mrplainswalker posted...
Why do we have to replace Christianity with a different religion? Let's just get rid of it all. When you get rid of the cancer, you don't need to replace it with a different cancer. You're cured.Humanity would be better without religion at all. A race of pure logic, like the Vulcans.
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Uh oh, the salty mods got mad when I said mean things about precious Islam!
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Humanity would be better without religion at all. You can still have emotion without religion... Were you trying to be sarcastic or something?
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You can still have emotion without religion...You do know Vulcans do have Emotions, right? They're just highly controlled.
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mrplainswalker posted...Why do we have to replace Christianity with a different religion? Let's just get rid of it all. When you get rid of the cancer, you don't need to replace it with a different cancer. You're cured.Humanity would be better without religion at all. Except that wouldn't happen. Humanity is hard wired for worship. You would just replace the concept of God with something more dangerous, like "progress" or "expansion".
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C0c0nuttz posted...
Except that wouldn't happen. Humanity is hard wired for worship. You would just replace the concept of God with something more dangerous, like "progress" or "expansion".Or Logic, because that is basically what all Vulcans worshipped.
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Emerald_Melios posted...It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults. Yea just go back to when Christianity ruled Europe it was called the dark ages for a reason.
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Except that wouldn't happen. Humanity is hard wired for worship. You would just replace the concept of God with something more dangerous, like "progress" or "expansion". I don't worship anything. Just because most people are worshiping something now, that's not evidence that we always will be. There was a time before democracy. Now half the world is democratic.
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C0c0nuttz posted...Except that wouldn't happen. Humanity is hard wired for worship. You would just replace the concept of God with something more dangerous, like "progress" or "expansion". I guarantee that there is something you worship. You may not be aware of it, but there is something to which you give "adoring reverence or regard" above all else.
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boshafty posted...
Fuck religion it's for the weak and stupid. https://pics.onsizzle.com/in-this-moment-i-am-euphoric-not-because-of-any-19266409.png
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As a liberal, it would be like replacing one bad idea for another. We didn't fight the Jesus freaks for so long just to have them replaced by the Muhammad worshippers who can't even grasp the idea that some people think he was an awful human being.
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Yea just go back to when Christianity ruled Europe it was called the dark ages for a reason. Any serious historian would disagree with you, both in the sense that the term 'The Dark Ages' has been mostly abandoned and because they would say that fall of Rome was the overwhelming cause of what some think of as the 'Dark Ages'. I'd argue that the Catholic Church was one of the few things keeping civilisation from entirerly collapsing in the west (I'd also argue that it is from this time period that the theocratic elements of Catholicism were born) |
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C0c0nuttz posted...
I guarantee that there is something you worship. You may not be aware of it, but there is something to which you give "adoring reverence or regard" above all else. Like what? There are things that I like and think are good, but I can't think of anything I worship.
It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
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C0c0nuttz posted...I guarantee that there is something you worship. You may not be aware of it, but there is something to which you give "adoring reverence or regard" above all else. What do you advocate for and try to draw others toward? What do you use your spare time for? These are some things you should reflect on.
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The U.S. isn't Christian. The Constitution does not provide for a "main" religion.
Plus, have you seen our leaders? They'd rather force you to have a baby even if it's against your best interests, and then let that baby die due to the elimination of social programs geared towards helping that child. As unchristian as you can get.
You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years.
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XLLIII_B0xxy_43 posted...
They don't because it's not possible. The world will always be Christian Except the top 2 religions of the world are Islam and Buddhism. Are you normally this ignorant? With that said, the United States was founded on Christian principles. Therefore, this country will always be of Christian nature. Live with it or get out.
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FunWithAFryPan posted...
Please stop TC, you're making me cringe. Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.
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Most of the so-called founders were Deists, not Christians. Not that it matters overmuch.
It's doubtful that Islam will gain much headway, demographically, over Christianity in the US simply because Christianity has such an enormous head start. Non-belief is actually the fastest growing demographic, which is interesting. For my part I take issue with any belief structure that seeks to externalize evil, whether it's Christian fundamentalists calling for the destruction of public goods (Planned Parenthood), Islamic fundamentalists raving about 'infidels,' or atheistic fundamentalists that advocate violence in the Middle East (Hitchens, Harris, etc.). Evil exists in the human heart, and as soon you externalize evil to a group of humans all sorts of horrible measures get put on the table.
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FunWithAFryPan posted...Please stop TC, you're making me cringe. At least he has a job |
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Most of the so-called founders were Deists, not Christians. Not that it matters overmuch. Agreed. "Us vs them" is the worst mentality you can have with respect to religion.
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Emerald_Melios posted...It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
Anyone equating Christianity to Islam has no useful information and adds nothing to a conversation on religion. Thank you for making it clear where you are.wolverinerob79 posted...Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
Anyone equating Christianity to Islam has no useful information and adds nothing to a conversation on religion. Thank you for making it clear where you are.
You're an expert on Islam.
Oh wait, no, you're full of shit as usual. You still saving your company billions of dollars a year?Funkx posted...FunWithAFryPan posted...
Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.FunWithAFryPan posted...Funkx posted...
FunWithAFryPan posted...
Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a jobThe world has seen how majority muslim countries have turned out. No sane person would want those problems becoming more common in their own society - including Americans.Currently playing Marvel Heroes (free to play action RPG), Gears of War 3 and Dead or Alive 5PhazonReborn posted...FunWithAFryPan posted...
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Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a job
lol@ this strange assumption that I don't have a job. Where do you get this shit from.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Funkx posted...Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible.
How can anyone see what's happening in Europe and still think mass immigration is a good thing? Liberals need to stop trying to bury the truth just to waive the "holier than thou" flag to get votes.Minotaur92 posted...Funkx posted...
Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible.
How can anyone see what's happening in Europe and still think mass immigration is a good thing? Liberals need to stop trying to bury the truth just to waive the "holier than thou" flag to get votes.
Nothing is going on in Europe.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56XLLIII_B0xxy_43 posted...Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
You are aware religion was the birth of morality right?
Religion was more of "giving an IDENTITY" to morality. Religion gave it a sense of direction and purpose. Morality was still there, but it was unconscious. People only started to consciously recognize morality through religion. Prior to religion I assume they wouldn't do something bad specifically because they felt bad doing it and that's it. But to be fair, people weren't nearly as moral back then in general. Before humans gave their life "meaning" and "purpose" they acted more like animals. Religion helped shape us into who we are today.Games I'm looking forward to: Super Smash Bros 3DS & Wii U, Pokemon Alpha Sapphire, Kingdom Hearts HD Remix 2.5, Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy XVBecause we're a secular country who learned from both our own mistakes and history about why letting any one religion rule is a bad thing. Plus Islam preaches and practices archaic, oppressive and cruel ideas that aren't fit for any human being to live by.
If it were so peaceful and great, then why are people fleeing Muslim controlled countries elsewhere for a better life? Why is it constantly in a state of war and hardcore oppression?I'm a chick(edited 1 day ago)quoteLil_Bit83 posted...Because we're a secular country
"In God we trust"Relax, they're only words on the internet.Well I don't care for that idea at all, but "Will I spontaneously combust tomorrow?" is a more reasonable thing to worry about.PSN: TheUndying84As long as it doesn't infringe on my right to be an atheist, I don't care which sky god becomes the deity of choice in America. If religion helps you in your daily life and creates a strong sense of purpose and community for you, then I applaud it and find it a shame that so many pervert it.
Just maintain a clear separation of church and state no matter the dominant religion.Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" Trump(edited 1 day ago)quoteLil_Bit83 posted...Because we're a secular country who learned from both our own mistakes and history about why letting any one religion rule is a bad thing. Plus Islam preaches and practices archaic, oppressive and cruel ideas that aren't fit for any human being to live by.
If it were so peaceful and great, then why are people fleeing Muslim controlled countries elsewhere for a better life? Why is it constantly in a state of war and hardcore oppression?
Hypocrisy galoreMake America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" TrumpC0c0nuttz posted...Lil_Bit83 posted...
Because we're a secular country
"In God we trust"
And yet government is still separate from religion and Religious people cannot do whatever they please without consequences when a particular practice is deemed harmful/inhumane/against human rights.
People can choose whatever religious path or non religious path, they want without wide spread, government sanctioned persecution. The US is secular. It wasn't always, but it certainly is now.I'm a chickLil_Bit83 posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
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Because we're a secular country
"In God we trust"
And yet government is still separate from religion and Religious people cannot do whatever they please without consequences when a particular practice is deemed harmful/inhumane/against human rights.
People can choose whatever religious path or non religious path, they want without wide spread, government sanctioned persecution. The US is secular. It wasn't always, but it certainly is now.
travel ban (or whatever you choose to call it).Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" TrumpRyanBraun8 posted...Lil_Bit83 posted...
Because we're a secular country who learned from both our own mistakes and history about why letting any one religion rule is a bad thing. Plus Islam preaches and practices archaic, oppressive and cruel ideas that aren't fit for any human being to live by.
If it were so peaceful and great, then why are people fleeing Muslim controlled countries elsewhere for a better life? Why is it constantly in a state of war and hardcore oppression?
Hypocrisy galore
How so? All religions have problems and have committed atrocities past and present, but being mutilated by acid or rusty knives, having little to no personal freedom, killing others who don't share your beliefs, stoning rape victims, or women who choose to have sex freely, arranged marriages, is archaic bullshit that wasn't good for anyone back then anymore then it is now. And yet they still carry on like it's the dark ages. Many people from many different religions in many parts of the world have moved beyond things like that.I'm a chickC0c0nuttz posted...Lil_Bit83 posted...
Because we're a secular country
"In God we trust"
That was added to the dollar bill in the 1900s, just FYITrump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.USA is 70 percent Christian. You would need 200 million more muslims to do this.When in danger or in doubt
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Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
You are aware religion was the birth of morality right?
Yeah, animals are so immoral man.
Are you implying that animals have a moral compass as complex as humans do? If at all?
Cuz if you are, that's stupid."Each forward step we take we leave some phantom of ourselves behind."Funkx posted...PhazonReborn posted...
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Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a job
lol@ this strange assumption that I don't have a job. Where do you get this shit from.
Yeah, it's so different from your assumption that I'm a barrista.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.Except the top 2 religions of the world are Islam and Buddhism. Are you normally this ignorant?
With that said, the United States was founded on Christian principles. Therefore, this country will always be of Christian nature. Live with it or get out.
What? In terms of pure numbers there are far more Christians than Buddhists, and a lot more Christians than Muslims. There are about 2.4 billion Christians, 1.6 billion Muslims, 1 billion Hindus, and 8 hundred million BuddhistsI don't think people think Islam will be the main religion. They just don't want to capitulate to Muslim extremists like the UK, France and Germany do.MAGA.Islam will never become the main religion in U.S. Religion is slowly dying out."Be excellent to each other... and... PARTY ON DUDES!" -Abraham LincolnFears that we're have a Muslim takeover are totally unfounded just as how there are fears of Jewish takeover or black takeover or Irish takeover or German takeover or Japanese takeover or whatever flavor of the week the xenophobes want to sample.If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him.
R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD!FunWithAFryPan posted...Funkx posted...
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Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a job
lol@ this strange assumption that I don't have a job. Where do you get this shit from.
Yeah, it's so different from your assumption that I'm a barrista.
You act uneducated and you have a philosophy degree. I'm afraid I can only conclude this is true.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Funkx posted...FunWithAFryPan posted...
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Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a job
lol@ this strange assumption that I don't have a job. Where do you get this shit from.
Yeah, it's so different from your assumption that I'm a barrista.
Making absurd assumptions is okay when I do it.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.TheHonorableOne posted...I don't think people think Islam will be the main religion. They just don't want to capitulate to Muslim extremists like the UK, France and Germany do.
Good thing those countries don'tAuto correct, room = room. - VesperasEliteC posted...Funkx posted...
Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist. It seems like xenophobia is at an all time high even though 9/11 was caused by U.S. meddling in the middle east and nothing more. The taliban and Al Quada (Isis) have nothing to do with Islam. They were/are political groups. The actual qur'an is a very peaceful document that says as much good and bad as the american version of the bible.
So? It doesn't matter.
Why would saudis get mad at Christianity becoming their main religion? Why would Buddhist get mad that the creed of the Jedi become their main religion?
Because another country's faith is taking over, good or bad.
Uh... You can't exactly compare KSA to the US here. The US is not the world capital of a religion. Christianity taking over Saudi Arabia would be more like Islam taking over the Vatican.Meet Captain Euro, the coolest superhero this side of Aquaman!~~Portal of Evil
[Disillusioned Independent]TheDarkShepard posted...Good thing those countries don't
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-france-returnees-idUSKBN1AL0SM
Sure they don't. they just do very little about jihadists:France has seen 271 jihadi militants return from war zones in Iraq and Syria and all of them are subject to investigation by public prosecutors, the country's interior minister said in a newspaper interview.
Some 700 French nationals are estimated to have fought in Islamic State ranks in Iraq and Syria,
Letting ISIS soldiers return back to their countries. Wow. And let's not even get into the European judges who give leniency to Muslims who engage in domestic violence, sexual abuse, etc.MAGA.(edited 20 hours ago)quoteGive me a list of all the Muslim-majority countries that aren't either 1) a dictatorship or 2) a war zone.Hero/Legend of 261. Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196-
The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009TaiIs82 posted...Give me a list of all the Muslim-majority countries that aren't either 1) a dictatorship or 2) a war zone.
Indonesia comes to mind.MAGA.Well I imagine many Christians don't like it because they know how they like to treat minorities, and they're afraid that another majority religion would act just like them only toward them.
They'll say "Sharia Law!" which is a fair point... if they're not actively trying to impose Christina law.Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool."Look at what Christian groups etc have done to the US in terms of holding up or rolling back rights for people or stupid stuff like trying to teach abstinence rather than using protection.
Now imagine if the group were even more against progress. Even more conservative and believe even more that certain groups should have lesser or no rights.I'm on youtube just like everyone else but still
https://www.youtube.com/user/DwavenhobbleTheHonorableOne posted...TheDarkShepard posted...
Good thing those countries don't
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-france-returnees-idUSKBN1AL0SM
Sure they don't. they just do very little about jihadists:France has seen 271 jihadi militants return from war zones in Iraq and Syria and all of them are subject to investigation by public prosecutors, the country's interior minister said in a newspaper interview.
Some 700 French nationals are estimated to have fought in Islamic State ranks in Iraq and Syria,
Letting ISIS soldiers return back to their countries. Wow. And let's not even get into the European judges who give leniency to Muslims who engage in domestic violence, sexual abuse, etc.
You can't legally turn back citizens of your own country, as far as I'm aware. Your link notes they are subject to investigation and I will be shocked if they aren't arrested or tried. It's not "capitulating to the bad guys" to follow rule of lawAuto correct, room = room. - VesperasHumanity would be better without religion at all.
A race of pure logic, like the Vulcans.
Humans aren't inherently smart enough to be like Vulcans. Not to mention inherently randy. Could you imagine what we'd be doing to ourselves if we sexually repressed ourselves only to have one violent outburst once in a while like Vulcans?I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for my right to fight you to the death. -Stephen ColbertLook at what Christian groups etc have done to the US in terms of holding up or rolling back rights for people or stupid stuff like trying to teach abstinence rather than using protection.
There seems to be a massive mental disconnect between what people like this think and the actual population of Christians in the US. The United States has always been a Christian super majority nation, any change you see will have been manned and supported in some way or any other by Christians. The numbers do not work out otherwiseBecause they think it's impossible for Islam to be the majority religion in a country without it implementing sharia law.
The U.S. isn't the Middle East. They'd need to basically rewrite the Constitution and we can't even get that to happen for the benefit of citizens (in recent times), so it's sure as hell not gonna be rewritten to implement sharia law.(edited 16 hours ago)quoteFunWithAFryPan posted...Funkx posted...
PhazonReborn posted...
FunWithAFryPan posted...
Funkx posted...
FunWithAFryPan posted...
Please stop TC, you're making me cringe.
Go put your degree to good use and prepare my latte.
You have no idea what I do for a living.
But unlike him, you have a job
lol@ this strange assumption that I don't have a job. Where do you get this shit from.
Yeah, it's so different from your assumption that I'm a barrista.
This is the best exchange in the entire thread.Behold my beauty!cyric79 posted...The world has seen how majority muslim countries have turned out. No sane person would want those problems becoming more common in their own society - including Americans.
The problem with those countries isn't their religion, it's their conservatism. Find me a Left Wing/Progressive majority muslim country and I'm sure they'd be just fine.It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.Funkx posted...Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist.
If this was true then at least some Islamic countries would be peaceful paradises. The reality is as an authoritarian religion founded in, and expanded by, a very great deal of violence it has a very great deal of intolerant followers quickly prone to violence.
Have a look at the support for Sharia, and among those the people who support punishments such as stoning for apostasy.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
And it's certainly not "all Muslims" think like that. But enough of the population does that it gets to inflict its violent will on the rest - unless the state is a dictatorial areligious military state paying only lipservice to the the religion.
TL,DR - the reason people fear Islam is the track record of Islamic countries and provinces.Understanding the rationality of SJWs is like trying to smell the colour 9.
Locating the humanity of neo-Nazis is like finding the Unicorns' Graveyard.TheDarkShepard posted...TheHonorableOne posted...
TheDarkShepard posted...
Good thing those countries don't
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-france-returnees-idUSKBN1AL0SM
Sure they don't. they just do very little about jihadists:France has seen 271 jihadi militants return from war zones in Iraq and Syria and all of them are subject to investigation by public prosecutors, the country's interior minister said in a newspaper interview.
Some 700 French nationals are estimated to have fought in Islamic State ranks in Iraq and Syria,
Letting ISIS soldiers return back to their countries. Wow. And let's not even get into the European judges who give leniency to Muslims who engage in domestic violence, sexual abuse, etc.
You can't legally turn back citizens of your own country, as far as I'm aware. Your link notes they are subject to investigation and I will be shocked if they aren't arrested or tried. It's not "capitulating to the bad guys" to follow rule of law
who cares?
not one person would lift a finger for these turds as the kurds flush them if they weren't allowed back.@FunWithAFryPan
You need to lighten up you take life too seriously. I mean I think even a young child could see that was a joke. Though all jokes have truth to them, and the truth is you probably are a human coffeemaker.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.Funkx posted...@FunWithAFryPan
You need to lighten up you take life too seriously. I mean I think even a young child could see that was a joke. Though all jokes have truth to them, and the truth is you probably are a human coffeemaker.
I'm back to cringing at your posts again.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.FunWithAFryPan posted...Funkx posted...
@FunWithAFryPan
You need to lighten up you take life too seriously. I mean I think even a young child could see that was a joke. Though all jokes have truth to them, and the truth is you probably are a human coffeemaker.
I'm back to cringing at your posts again.
Sounds like a personal issue.Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man.I'd like to weigh in on the OP, so here goes.
1) Many think Sharia law would not go over too well in a Republic or a Democracy because it is basically a Theocracy with a number of false claims (ie. Things like marrying & having sexual relations with a 9 yr old being totally a righteous thing to do and Ethiopians should be called Raisin-heads and that is not disrepectful, etc...)
2) The theocracy that is Islam is founded on a very strong ideology that has as its basis the military conquering of any and all other religions that aren't Islam. It uses violence to obtain new followers. If this became the main religion in the U.S., we'd have many people dying for their beliefs. This is the opposite of American values.I have a new sig and this is it.I am not an expert on Islam. But, Islam and Muslim are the same right?
Are the married girls required to wear those scarfs around their face? How strict are religious mandates?
I know people from countries that practice Islam, and many laws seem rather... cruel.. or harsh. Also, some I know do tend to rage over certain "religious" beliefs, or being interrupted and...
I am not particularly religious, so certain things can be an annoyance to me. I am not an expert on this though, so perhaps someone more familiar with the subject cqn clarify.
I DON'T want religious dedication to be mandatory or rubbed-in in any manner though..XLLIII_B0xxy_43 posted...Emerald_Melios posted...
It astonishes me how much America and the Middle East still rely on these ridiculous monotheistic cults.
You are aware religion was the birth of morality right?
No.won't change this sig until pittsburgh steelers gets their 7th ring
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eVPxvaIzecthetruehedgehog posted...I am not an expert on Islam. But, Islam and Muslim are the same right?
Are the married girls required to wear those scarfs around their face?
The veil is largely a cultural thing and depends where you live how much if any concealment is required: Albania, Turkey, Pakistan / Urban area, rural area.
Secularization is the pretty much the same thing, some countries are more secularized like Albania / Bosnia and Hercegovina / Turkey (at least for now) while others aren't tjhat much like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.
It also depends where you live in a country, like East Thrace (the european part of Turkey) is more liberal than some backwater rural area in Eastern Anatolia.Behold my beauty!(edited 9 hours ago)quote- Boards
- Politics
- Why do people get so mad at the idea of Islam becoming the main religion in U.S.
Islam will never mix with the West.
For it to take over as the dominant religion in the US, the far left would need to accept that many of their freedoms would be in jeopardy.
Islam does not mix well with the ideas of LGBT rights or women's rights.
More so than Christianity, a dominant Islamic US would strip many people of their freedoms. Not sure why the far left stand with Islam so much when it goes against so much of western cultural ideals.
Maybe they should think about it for awhile before making dumb topics like this.Stonedwolfed posted...Funkx posted...
Most who practice Islam are peaceful god-fearing folk who are anti-extremist.
If this was true then at least some Islamic countries would be peaceful paradises. The reality is as an authoritarian religion founded in, and expanded by, a very great deal of violence it has a very great deal of intolerant followers quickly prone to violence.
Have a look at the support for Sharia, and among those the people who support punishments such as stoning for apostasy.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
And it's certainly not "all Muslims" think like that. But enough of the population does that it gets to inflict its violent will on the rest - unless the state is a dictatorial areligious military state paying only lipservice to the the religion.
TL,DR - the reason people fear Islam is the track record of Islamic countries and provinces.
TC didn't even read this because it's too hard for him to understandPhazonReborn posted...Islam does not mix well with the ideas of LGBT rights or women's rights.
Tell that to progressives. They play dress up in hijabs and protest western Imperialism lol.MAGA.(edited 9 hours ago)quotemasher11 posted...TheDarkShepard posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
TheDarkShepard posted...
Good thing those countries don't
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-france-returnees-idUSKBN1AL0SM
Sure they don't. they just do very little about jihadists:France has seen 271 jihadi militants return from war zones in Iraq and Syria and all of them are subject to investigation by public prosecutors, the country's interior minister said in a newspaper interview.
Some 700 French nationals are estimated to have fought in Islamic State ranks in Iraq and Syria,
Letting ISIS soldiers return back to their countries. Wow. And let's not even get into the European judges who give leniency to Muslims who engage in domestic violence, sexual abuse, etc.
You can't legally turn back citizens of your own country, as far as I'm aware. Your link notes they are subject to investigation and I will be shocked if they aren't arrested or tried. It's not "capitulating to the bad guys" to follow rule of law
who cares?
not one person would lift a finger for these turds as the kurds flush them if they weren't allowed back.
"Who cares" about rule of law? And you wonder why we are so concerned that our own countries are going to descend into lawlessness or fascism?Auto correct, room = room. - VesperasYou can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.Because I would rather agnosticism become dominant.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)The Quran says to kill infidels and we have radical Muslims actually doing that in 2017. That is why.PSN/steam: classicviolence Switch FC: 441991068406 3DS: 087719974865
Gamefaqs: Home of mod-alts, shills, sock puppets, and mentally ill trolls1337toothbrush posted...You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
@1337toothbrush
Then, specifically say what is inaccurate. That may helpbigjclassic posted...The Quran says to kill infidels and we have radical Muslims actually doing that in 2017. That is why.
This is inaccurate, to start.1337toothbrush posted...You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
You can't post something like this then skate out like you won the argument.
Try enlightening us on where we're wrong.thetruehedgehog posted...But, Islam and Muslim are the same right?
Islam is the doctrine/belief, Muslim is the indoctrinated/believer.
It's fine - not in GameFAQs but it is morally fine - to attack whatever terms you like the former, but you should be wary about te attacking the latter.Understanding the rationality of SJWs is like trying to smell the colour 9.
Locating the humanity of neo-Nazis is like finding the Unicorns' Graveyard.1337toothbrush posted...This is inaccurate, to start.
I like how Muslims/Dems like to pretend that Mohammad wasnt a soldier/commander and that the Qu'ran doesnt have explicitly violent passages/commands.MAGA.TheHonorableOne posted...1337toothbrush posted...
This is inaccurate, to start.
I like how Muslims/Dems like to pretend that Mohammad wasnt a soldier/commander and that the Qu'ran doesnt have explicitly violent passages/commands.
Citations, please.1337toothbrush posted...You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
Oh my goodness, people have opinions based on history, reporting, and current events?
That's totally outrageous and I sarcastically support your APPEAL TO AUTHORITY logical fallacy.Understanding the rationality of SJWs is like trying to smell the colour 9.
Locating the humanity of neo-Nazis is like finding the Unicorns' Graveyard.Stonedwolfed posted...1337toothbrush posted...
You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
Oh my goodness, people have opinions based on history, reporting, and current events?
That's totally outrageous and I sarcastically support your APPEAL TO AUTHORITY logical fallacy.
You remind me of people who post skewed stats on black people and say "it's all written right here" to justify your prejudice except you haven't even cited anything.C0c0nuttz posted...What do you advocate for and try to draw others toward? What do you use your spare time for?
These are some things you should reflect on.
Like I said, I don't worship those things. I advocate for them, but there's no worship involved.It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
- willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcasLook at the Muslim countries and how they fare, then look at the Christian and Jewish countries. Israel was a dump before being given to the Jews in the mid 20th century and now it's a bustling metropolis. The surrounding regions are still 3rd world.
We have the evidence in plain sight. Then you can look at how their populations do things like cheer on the twin towers falling on 9/11 and you've got everything you need.Maybe it's time you looked at yourself and stop blaming life on someone else. ~Blink 182
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20090602.gifTheHonorableOne posted...1337toothbrush posted...
This is inaccurate, to start.
I like how Muslims/Dems like to pretend that Mohammad wasnt a soldier/commander and that the Qu'ran doesnt have explicitly violent passages/commands.
@TheHonorableOne Mohammad is honorable. Mohammad married a 9 year old girl named... "Aisha" or something?
Many 9 yr old girls don't want to be married, but Mohammad commands respect. "You are 9 yrs old. How would you know that marriage is bad?"
Amazing. Mohammad outsmarted her.mrplainswalker posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
What do you advocate for and try to draw others toward? What do you use your spare time for?
These are some things you should reflect on.
Like I said, I don't worship those things. I advocate for them, but there's no worship involved.
You're free to believe whatever you want, but certainly if you're spending a majority of your time putting your faith in something and advocating for it, that's as much worshipful behavior as what is practiced by your typical religious person.
Different strokes, but hard wired nonetheless.Relax, they're only words on the internet.C0c0nuttz posted...You're free to believe whatever you want, but certainly if you're spending a majority of your time putting your faith in something and advocating for it, that's as much worshipful behavior as what is practiced by your typical religious person.
You're just equivocating on the word "faith" like most religious people. Faith, as the religious use it, is an unwavering belief in something without reason. It's an excuse to believe whatever they want without having to justify any of it.
The things I believe in, I at least attempt to forge from logic and rational thought, and they're all subject to change when I get new evidence. At best, you could say that I have a "worship" of trying my best to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. Or in other words, I "worship" understanding reality as best as I can.It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
- willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcasmrplainswalker posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
You're free to believe whatever you want, but certainly if you're spending a majority of your time putting your faith in something and advocating for it, that's as much worshipful behavior as what is practiced by your typical religious person.
You're just equivocating on the word "faith" like most religious people. Faith, as the religious use it, is an unwavering belief in something without reason. It's an excuse to believe whatever they want without having to justify any of it.
The things I believe in, I at least attempt to forge from logic and rational thought, and they're all subject to change when I get new evidence. At best, you could say that I have a "worship" of trying my best to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible. Or in other words, I "worship" understanding reality as best as I can.
Hey I mean you worship what you worship. If that's "Truth" and "reality" then that's fine. I'm just pointing out that no one is free from their idols.
And I'm not sure where you got your definition, but a google search gave me this:
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle
Which is exactly what I was talking about.Relax, they're only words on the internet.(edited 1 hour ago)quoteC0c0nuttz posted...Hey I mean you worship what you worship. If that's "Truth" and "reality" then that's fine. I'm just pointing out that no one is free from their idols.
And I'm not sure where you got your definition, but a google search gave me this:
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle
Which is exactly what I was talking about.
But I don't have anything comparable to religious homage. That's what I'm talking about. If somebody asked me why I believe something I would never say, "Because I have faith." I would always try to back it up with actual reasoning.It's like punching a round bottom dummy. We all know it's futile, but occasionally it's fun.
- willythemailboy on the subject of stray orcasArent Muslims about .9% of the population? I dont really see them becoming the main religion anytime soon lol.MAGA.mrplainswalker posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
Hey I mean you worship what you worship. If that's "Truth" and "reality" then that's fine. I'm just pointing out that no one is free from their idols.
And I'm not sure where you got your definition, but a google search gave me this:
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle
Which is exactly what I was talking about.
But I don't have anything comparable to religious homage. That's what I'm talking about. If somebody asked me why I believe something I would never say, "Because I have faith." I would always try to back it up with actual reasoning.
I don't think you've been around enough religious people. That's not the go-to answer for anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Judging by your posts I'd say you hold "logic" or "reasoning" in extreme reverence. That's not necessarily bad, but it's good to know about yourself. As I said, everyone has their idols.Relax, they're only words on the internet.(edited 1 hour ago)quote1337toothbrush posted...After you.
You're the one who states everyone in this topic has no idea what they're talking about, so please, pony up and tell us how we're wrong in our assumptions of Islam not meshing with western cultureI don't want any religions in charge.Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Swordthetruehedgehog posted...1337toothbrush posted...
You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
@1337toothbrush
Then, specifically say what is inaccurate. That may help
Go ahead dude, we're waitingPhazonReborn posted...1337toothbrush posted...
After you.
You're the one who states everyone in this topic has no idea what they're talking about, so please, pony up and tell us how we're wrong in our assumptions of Islam not meshing with western culture
You're the one making the initial claim. By all means, pony up and tell us how you're right.1337toothbrush posted...PhazonReborn posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
After you.
You're the one who states everyone in this topic has no idea what they're talking about, so please, pony up and tell us how we're wrong in our assumptions of Islam not meshing with western culture
You're the one making the initial claim. By all means, pony up and tell us how you're right.
PhazonReborn posted...thetruehedgehog posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
You can tell quite a few people here know little to nothing about Islam other than what they heard from the internet or perhaps in the media, yet they feel qualified to speak like experts on the matter.
@1337toothbrush
Then, specifically say what is inaccurate. That may help
Go ahead dude, we're waiting
Go ahead1337toothbrush posted...Tell me how Islam "does not mesh with western culture"
Sharia Law
Your turnWomen's rights? Do they exist the same way as they do here in the west? Nope. Look at any Islamic culture.
LGBT rights? This is now a Western norm. These rights will not exist in an Islamic culturePhazonReborn posted...1337toothbrush posted...
Tell me how Islam "does not mesh with western culture"
Sharia Law
Your turn
"Sharia Law" can mean many different things, seeing as there are multiple interpretations (hence multiple sects, among other things). Still your turn.(edited 13 minutes ago)quotePhazonReborn posted...Women's rights? Do they exist the same way as they do here in the west? Nope. Look at any Islamic culture.
LGBT rights? This is now a Western norm. These rights will not exist in an Islamic culture
I love how the USA just very recently got LGBT rights and now it's suddenly the most important measuring stick of a nation. That wasn't the case more than a decade ago when Canadian LGBT enjoyed those rights. Anyway, you'd see a lot of progress in this area and in women's rights if you'd stop "regime change"ing the region. Iran was quite liberal decades ago before the west decided oil was more important than peace. Same with Egypt and Syria. The same story unfolds again and again and all you focus on is the aftermath. Gee, a region bombed back to the stone age is filled with cavemen. No shit, sherlock.C0c0nuttz posted...mrplainswalker posted...
C0c0nuttz posted...
Hey I mean you worship what you worship. If that's "Truth" and "reality" then that's fine. I'm just pointing out that no one is free from their idols.
And I'm not sure where you got your definition, but a google search gave me this:
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle
Which is exactly what I was talking about.
But I don't have anything comparable to religious homage. That's what I'm talking about. If somebody asked me why I believe something I would never say, "Because I have faith." I would always try to back it up with actual reasoning.
I don't think you've been around enough religious people. That's not the go-to answer for anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Judging by your posts I'd say you hold "logic" or "reasoning" in extreme reverence. That's not necessarily bad, but it's good to know about yourself. As I said, everyone has their idols.
Jumping in here, uninvited.
I think that there is a significant difference between believing in religion, or even some notion of spirituality, and between advocating reasoned analysis.
I think this difference is not one of good/bad or right/wrong, however, I think it's just different. What I mean is that it's disingenuous to say you "believe" in something rational, like gravity, for instance. I don't believe in gravity, I observe it.
I do want to be clear, though, that I don't think there's anything whatsoever wrong with belief itself.
Again, what you believe is way less important than what you do.Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in.LewsTheDragon posted...C0c0nuttz posted...
mrplainswalker posted...
C0c0nuttz posted...
Hey I mean you worship what you worship. If that's "Truth" and "reality" then that's fine. I'm just pointing out that no one is free from their idols.
And I'm not sure where you got your definition, but a google search gave me this:
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle
Which is exactly what I was talking about.
But I don't have anything comparable to religious homage. That's what I'm talking about. If somebody asked me why I believe something I would never say, "Because I have faith." I would always try to back it up with actual reasoning.
I don't think you've been around enough religious people. That's not the go-to answer for anyone who knows what they are talking about.
Judging by your posts I'd say you hold "logic" or "reasoning" in extreme reverence. That's not necessarily bad, but it's good to know about yourself. As I said, everyone has their idols.
Jumping in here, uninvited.
I think that there is a significant difference between believing in religion, or even some notion of spirituality, and between advocating reasoned analysis.
I think this difference is not one of good/bad or right/wrong, however, I think it's just different. What I mean is that it's disingenuous to say you "believe" in something rational, like gravity, for instance. I don't believe in gravity, I observe it.
I do want to be clear, though, that I don't think there's anything whatsoever wrong with belief itself.
Again, what you believe is way less important than what you do.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Both religion and logical reasoning were tools created by man to understand the world around them, and trying to separate one from the other does nothing but inhibit that understanding.
If someone wants to treat "logic" or "observables" as the unequivocal truth, that's entirely fine. But, it means that at a certain point, you believe that what you are seeing or experiencing is the ultimate truth. Since no one has any sort of divine insight either way, you're still reduced to a belief. A worship the same as someone who claims a God holds the ultimate truth. No disingenuousness needed.
Of course, I still maintain that both ideas are better used in tandem than apart from each other.Relax, they're only words on the internet.(edited 2 minutes ago)quote
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