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Why do people want people on food stamps to be miserable?

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SomeGuyUO 17 hours ago#1
Only want nasty food to be eligible for food stamps.
DreadedWave 17 hours ago#2
Bootstraps or something, I dunno.
frozenshock 17 hours ago#3
So that our attention is focused on them rather than on billionnaires getting government bailouts
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-Gavirulax- 17 hours ago#4
Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.
Gavirulax
YourAlt 17 hours ago#5
-Gavirulax- posted...
Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.


So you shouldn't get assistance if you are seeking a job?
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Vertania 17 hours ago#6
Because they shouldn't be eating better than people who actually work to buy their food.
Keith_Valentine 17 hours ago#7
They're complaining about free food? What the f*** 

That's misery to you? Get out more, kid. Smh
-Gavirulax- 17 hours ago#8
YourAlt posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.


So you shouldn't get assistance if you are seeking a job?


Not after a certain amount of time, should be forced into a program like Work for the Dole like Australia uses.
Gavirulax
YourAlt 17 hours ago#9
-Gavirulax- posted...
YourAlt posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.


So you shouldn't get assistance if you are seeking a job?


Not after a certain amount of time, should be forced into a program like Work for the Dole like Australia uses.


A requirement for welfare (non-disabled) is the active search for employment.
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-Gavirulax- 17 hours ago#10
YourAlt posted...
A requirement for welfare (non-disabled) is the active search for employment.


Which can still be done and is under said program.
Gavirulax
lightwarrior78 17 hours ago#11
I don't hear complaints about how they need to eat dog food. Just that they shouldn't have the option for junk food and empty calories. 

Then again, for some of us it was a life lesson we got while young. Mom always said if was willing to pay for it I could have anything I wanted for supper, but as long as she was buying and cooking the food, she'd control the menu.
YourAlt 17 hours ago#12
-Gavirulax- posted...
YourAlt posted...
A requirement for welfare (non-disabled) is the active search for employment.


Which can still be done and is under said program.


So you think forcing people to work for food is a good idea? Damn, land of the free

Would you change your mind and no care about this issue if the government reimbursed you the approximately 36 dollars a year that is used from your tax dollars to fund this program?
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-Gavirulax- 17 hours ago#13
YourAlt posted...
So you think forcing people to work for food is a good idea? Damn, land of the free


Indeed - of course I'm also somewhat against the Government effectively paying people insanely low wages for said job, thus if they insert someone into said program, pay them properly as well.

Of course it is all for profits, but I just see it as preferable to the alternative under prior administration and am not familiar with US policy.
Gavirulax
JE19426 17 hours ago#14
-Gavirulax- posted...

Not after a certain amount of time, should be forced into a program like Work for the Dole like Australia uses.


I don't know how the Work for Dole system works but the UK one reduces the number of decent paying jobs.
YourAlt 17 hours ago#15
-Gavirulax- posted...
YourAlt posted...
So you think forcing people to work for food is a good idea? Damn, land of the free


Indeed - of course I'm also somewhat against the Government effectively paying people insanely low wages for said job, thus if they insert someone into said program, pay them properly as well.

Of course it is all for profits, but I just see it as preferable to the alternative under prior administration and am not familiar with US policy.


I could not imagine how insanely difficult life would be if you were receiving a s*** amount of food (no, people on welfare don't have it good or live big), required to seek and find employment (yes, benefits will run out if you don't find a job in a set amount of time, welfare is not infinite nor perpetual despite the ignorant myths), AND working at the same time? Damn

Welfare sounds so fun, we should all do it
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-Gavirulax- 16 hours ago#16
YourAlt posted...
yes, benefits will run out if you don't find a job in a set amount of time


+1
Gavirulax
Vertania 16 hours ago#17
They should at least do it like the WIC program. Give people paper checks with specific items on them and put all kinds of tedious, arbitrary limitations on what they can buy. Not only would that help prevent wasteful spending and abuse, but it might motivate them to get off the food stamps.

Giving people hundreds of dollars to raid Wal Mart with is ridiculous. My post about them eating better than working families was no exaggeration.
glitteringfairy  gun baiter16 hours ago#18
YourAlt posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
YourAlt posted...
A requirement for welfare (non-disabled) is the active search for employment.


Which can still be done and is under said program.


So you think forcing people to work for food is a good idea? Damn, land of the free

Would you change your mind and no care about this issue if the government reimbursed you the approximately 36 dollars a year that is used from your tax dollars to fund this program?

If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator
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Are y'all under the impression that people who collect foodstamps don't work

Everyone at my work who has foodstamps...works...
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Darkman124 16 hours ago#20
the majority of actual beneficiaries of food stamps are children. scaling of the program is sharply driven by number of dependents.
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Highwind07 16 hours ago#21
EBT is also strict on the kind of foods that you can eat so nobody can go out and buy like a full lobster dinner with it.
ClockworkHare 16 hours ago#22
Are you talking about the US? Because it's entirely possible to still buy enjoyable food on food stamps within the program's rules.

The store chains that accept SNAP/etc has greatly expanded in the last 5 years. Walmart is a prime example. And the increase of small markets like dollar stores offer modest grocery selections too.

You don't have to eat s*** on food stamps anymore, at least not if you have 2 working brains cells.
You just can't buy booze, cigarettes, etc with it. Fair.
I volunteer at a food bank and honestly we load people's carts with so much garbage. 

We always provide fruits, vegetables, and good meats, but then we also give a s***load of sugary crap and a metric f***load of bread.
Nukleen 16 hours ago#24
*sigh*

Think about the type of people on food stamps and then it'll make sense. >_> unfortunately
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Nukleen posted...
*sigh*

Think about the typeof people on food stamps and then it'll make sense. >_> unfortunately

Well that's f***ed up there are plenty of people on food stamps that are just going through difficult circumstances.
Darkman124 16 hours ago#26
Nukleen posted...
Think about the type of people on food stamps and then it'll make sense. >_> unfortunately


children?
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YourAlt 16 hours ago#27
glitteringfairy posted...
YourAlt posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
YourAlt posted...
A requirement for welfare (non-disabled) is the active search for employment.


Which can still be done and is under said program.


So you think forcing people to work for food is a good idea? Damn, land of the free

Would you change your mind and no care about this issue if the government reimbursed you the approximately 36 dollars a year that is used from your tax dollars to fund this program?

If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator


Yeah, that 36 dollars every year would really make a difference in your yearly grocery purchases, no doubt
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glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"
-Gavirulax- 16 hours ago#29
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


That would obviously be preferable (or at least how people treated others back 100 years ago, excluding obvious things like racism and homophobia) but.....just highly unlikely.

...I mean that they hardly ever locked doors, etc....not the huge amount of wars and....bad example nvm.
Gavirulax
JustMyOpinion 16 hours ago#30
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"



Let that come from the top. Let the wealthy pay in more and/or let the boomers stop taking away all the safety nets. I'm tired of the first step always being to squeeze the middle class.
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Vertania 16 hours ago#31
ClockworkHare posted...
You just can't buy booze, cigarettes, etc with it.

I used to see people buy a cart full of groceries on food stamps, then pull out a wad of cash for cigarettes, beer, or lottery tickets. This was ~10 years ago when I worked at a convenience store. 

s*** always pissed me off. They clearly have money to spend, but why use it when you can just game the system?
YourAlt 16 hours ago#32
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


He actually said he would rather that 36 dollars a year go in his pantry as opposed to a family that needs it, lol. He thinks the myth of the "welfare queen" is real
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YourAlt 16 hours ago#33
Vertania posted...
ClockworkHare posted...
You just can't buy booze, cigarettes, etc with it.

I used to see people buy a cart full of groceries on food stamps, then pull out a wad of cash for cigarettes, beer, or lottery tickets. This was ~10 years ago when I worked at a convenience store. 

s*** always pissed me off. They clearly have money to spend, but why use it when you can just game the system?


Oh, anecdotal evidence about a person you saw

That's it, let's ditch welfare!
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Darkman124 16 hours ago#34
Vertania posted...
I used to see people buy a cart full of groceries on food stamps, then pull out a wad of cash for cigarettes, beer, or lottery tickets. This was ~10 years ago when I worked at a convenience store. 

s*** always pissed me off. They clearly have money to spend, but why use it when you can just game the system?


you realize that those people had children and the system was making sure their s***ty, idiotic parents actually bought food for them rather than exclusively alcohol and drugs, right?

the system would cost hundreds of times more to rehome them
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glitteringfairy  gun baiter16 hours ago#35
YourAlt posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


He actually said he would rather that 36 dollars a year go in his pantry as opposed to a family that needs it, lol. He thinks the myth of the "welfare queen" is real


I NEED it. Did you guys not read my post at all?
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YourAlt 16 hours ago#36
glitteringfairy posted...
YourAlt posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


He actually said he would rather that 36 dollars a year go in his pantry as opposed to a family that needs it, lol. He thinks the myth of the "welfare queen" is real


I NEED it. Did you guys not read my post at all?


So that 36 dollars saved a year would aid your situation? Lol ok
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Vertania 16 hours ago#37
YourAlt posted...
Oh, anecdotal evidence about a person you saw

That's it, let's ditch welfare!

Not one person, multiple people. We had regular customers who would pull that s*** all the time. But okay, let's just stay in your little fantasy land where absolutely everybody who gets food stamps uses it responsibly and literally nobody abuses it.

If you actually read my other posts, I never said anything about ditching it. I would just like to see more effort put into limiting the benefits and reducing abuse.
JustMyOpinion 16 hours ago#38
YourAlt posted...
Vertania posted...
ClockworkHare posted...
You just can't buy booze, cigarettes, etc with it.

I used to see people buy a cart full of groceries on food stamps, then pull out a wad of cash for cigarettes, beer, or lottery tickets. This was ~10 years ago when I worked at a convenience store. 

s*** always pissed me off. They clearly have money to spend, but why use it when you can just game the system?


Oh, anecdotal evidence about a person you saw

That's it, let's ditch welfare!



He didn't say to ditch it. Stop strawmanning and s***posting.
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glitteringfairy  gun baiter16 hours ago#39
YourAlt posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
YourAlt posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


He actually said he would rather that 36 dollars a year go in his pantry as opposed to a family that needs it, lol. He thinks the myth of the "welfare queen" is real


I NEED it. Did you guys not read my post at all?


So that 36 dollars saved a year would aid your situation? Lol ok

Please, tell me more about my life and situation. You seem to know me so well
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thelovefist 16 hours ago#40
Some users on this board are on social assistance and buy dolls with the money
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YourAlt 16 hours ago#41
Vertania posted...
YourAlt posted...
Oh, anecdotal evidence about a person you saw

That's it, let's ditch welfare!

Not one person, multiple people. We had regular customers who would pull that s*** all the time. But okay, let's just stay in your little fantasy land where absolutely everybody who gets food stamps uses it responsibly and literally nobody abuses it.

If you actually read my other posts, I never said anything about ditching it. I would just like to see more effort put into limiting the benefits and reducing abuse.


I didn't say nobody abuses it. But at an average cost of 36 dollars per year out of my tax dollars, I don't care too much. Happy to pay that to help many families that need it, and the people who don't, what ever. Not much skin off my back, and I hope the government catches them and ends their fraudulent benefits. But I am not against the system because a marginal amount of people use it for fraud.
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WafflehouseJK 16 hours ago#42
Lack of empathy.
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Vertania 16 hours ago#43
Darkman124 posted...
you realize that those people had children and the system was making sure their s***ty, idiotic parents actually bought food for them rather than exclusively alcohol and drugs, right?

the system would cost hundreds of times more to rehome them

Rehome their kids? You really have to jump to that extreme to defend EBT abuse?

You know what other program helps provide food for kids? WIC. The one I already mentioned.
lightwarrior78 16 hours ago#44
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


I'd prefer to live in a world where "help" didn't mean being given s*** for nothing but rather be being taught how to care for and provide for yourself. Kind of the same reason I wouldn't do someone's homework for them: we all have difficulties, but we're supposed to be trying to get this right, not endless cry for help from others to avoid doing the work ourselves. 

Don't chew me out. I don't think there's shame in needing social assistance. I think there's shame in not seriously trying to get / stay off it, and keeping junk or luxury foods out of it is a decent incentive to ensure a job is a better option.

Edit: I also don't care if I can afford it. I refuse to care for someone that isn't trying to care for themselves. I've got cousins like this: jobless, in their 30s, living with or off their parents, and likely to stay that way for life because no one wants to be the heavy and make them do things to help get a job like get up before noon and stop drinking and smoking weed to excess.
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YourAlt 16 hours ago#45
glitteringfairy posted...
YourAlt posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
YourAlt posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If I want to donate to charity that's my business. I work hard for my money and so does my gf. I am by no means well off. I could use that $36 to put food into my own refrigerator

I'd prefer to live in a society where people help each other unconditionally instead of living by "f*** you I got mine"


He actually said he would rather that 36 dollars a year go in his pantry as opposed to a family that needs it, lol. He thinks the myth of the "welfare queen" is real


I NEED it. Did you guys not read my post at all?


So that 36 dollars saved a year would aid your situation? Lol ok

Please, tell me more about my life and situation. You seem to know me so well


I know you would have to,be destitute if 36 dollars a year would make a difference in your life. You probably shouldn't be wasting your meager funds on internet or Wi-Fi, tbh
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Iwin2013 16 hours ago#46
SomeGuyUO posted...
Only want nasty food to be eligible for food stamps.


What's "nasty food"? Last I checked only person that was restricting what foods you could get on food stamps was Michelle Obama cause she wants America to be "healthier", when America should choose the right foods to be "healthier". Instead of her being a dictator.
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer16 hours ago#47
Some people are just s***ty people. That's in response to the topic title.
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k darkfire 16 hours ago#48
Work for your food. That's what we used to do. If you can't afford to eat, you just don't. Theres always a way to get money to eat. Too many people game the system.
Darkman124 16 hours ago#49
Vertania posted...

Rehome their kids? You really have to jump to that extreme to defend EBT abuse?

You know what other program helps provide food for kids? WIC. The one I already mentioned.


you understand that WIC has significant restrictions, yeah? the point here is most beneficiaries of SNAP are already families with children, and what youve been observing is not going to stop if SNAP died out--it'd just happen WITHOUT the people buying food.

k darkfire posted...
Theres always a way to get money to eat.


notably, killing people who have food and taking theirs
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Kineth  BLM sympathizer16 hours ago#50
k darkfire posted...
Work for your food. That's what we used to do. If you can't afford to eat, you just don't. Theres always a way to get money to eat. Too many people game the system.


Reminder, this guy would love for black people to starve and is just using a cover story as an excuse.
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    Esrac 16 hours ago#51
    I find a lot of the folks who complain about people on food stamps are folks who make just barely too much to qualify for the assistance, but not enough to really get by without living check to check. Not enough to really save or prosper.
    ClockworkHare 16 hours ago#52
    To qualify for food assistance, the person has to have an income below a certain amount. There's other qualifying factors, but the income is the paramount one. 

    You might be surprised just how much consumables someone can still buy when they don't have to spend their minimal income on groceries to feed themselves. I'm saying...well duh, yeah you're going to see some people on food stamps suddenly have enough spendable money to buy cigarettes and booze. Because they don't have to spend that money on food. Food can be quite an expenditure depending on the household and location.

    If you're automatically equating that expendable income as "raking in money while abusing the system", you don't see the whole picture. See people who make less enough to qualify for food stamps can still manage to have spending money for other things (that's actually one of the goals of the program). If they want to blow that cash on booze and smokes, that's basically their business. It's hardly a fortune...

    It's not a perfect system, no government program is. And there are ways to abuse food stamps. Being on food stamps and still buying stuff with cash is not one of them. That's not abusing the system, neither by rules nor principles.
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    Kineth posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    Work for your food. That's what we used to do. If you can't afford to eat, you just don't. Theres always a way to get money to eat. Too many people game the system.


    Reminder, this guy would love for black people to starve and is just using a cover story as an excuse.


    Why do you think that's his reason?

    Going by race, more food stamps go to white people than any other group.
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    Darkman124 16 hours ago#54
    Esrac posted...
    I find a lot of the folks who complain about people on food stamps are folks who make just barely too much to qualify for the assistance, but not enough to really get by without living check to check. Not enough to really save or prosper.


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    Kineth  BLM sympathizer16 hours ago#55
    DifferentialEquation posted...
    Kineth posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    Work for your food. That's what we used to do. If you can't afford to eat, you just don't. Theres always a way to get money to eat. Too many people game the system.


    Reminder, this guy would love for black people to starve and is just using a cover story as an excuse.


    Why do you think that's his reason?


    Because he's been a racial troll for the better part of a decade.
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    YourAlt 16 hours ago#56
    ITT: ignorant people think other people get welfare for literally doing nothing and spend most of their money on garbage
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    Vertania 16 hours ago#57
    Darkman124 posted...
    you understand that WIC has significant restrictions, yeah?

    Uh... yeah. That's exactly why I brought it up. I take it nobody is reading my earlier post, so I'll just quote it:
    Vertania posted...
    They should at least do it like the WIC program. Give people paper checks with specific items on them and put all kinds of tedious, arbitrary limitations on what they can buy. Not only would that help prevent wasteful spending and abuse, but it might motivate them to get off the food stamps.

    With the bolded part, if EBT were half as tedious and restrictive as WIC, people would have to pay out of pocket for certain food choices and may even decide to use their extra money just to avoid the hassle. The ones that really need and appreciate the assistance wouldn't mind the extra steps.
    My family was on food stamps for a while after my dad passed.

    Can't say I'm particularly proud of it, but that occasional steak dinner certainly helped ease things into better times.
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    BlackHorse6969 16 hours ago#59
    miserable? they live like kings compared to what people in 3rd world country have to go through
    MangaFan462 15 hours ago#60
    -Gavirulax- posted...
    Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.
    darkbuster 15 hours ago#61
    When you get down to it, it comes down to "MY taxes are payin' for your food! You better not be spendin' it on stuff I don't agree with". Granted, there may be some merit to that sentiment, but the reason for the view is usually very self-centered.
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    KBGiantsfan 15 hours ago#63
    I am 38 years old and know plenty of people/families on or have been on food stamps at one point in thier life, not one of them is really well off finacially. I have no problem with food stamps, the few that abuse it far outweigh the many that just barely get by because of them and I feel we as a society should do our best to at least give all fellow, law abiding humans a somewhat decent life.
    Vertania 15 hours ago#64
    darkbuster posted...
    When you get down to it, it comes down to "MY taxes are payin' for your food! You better not be spendin' it on stuff I don't agree with"

    If it's a middle or upper class family, then maybe.

    If it's a working class person who makes too much to qualify for assistance but is still struggling (like Esrac pointed out), it's more like "I'm working, you're not. It's not fair that you're eating better than me."
    KillerKhan420 15 hours ago#65
    I'm miserable and work. I can get 200 a month for my food bill if I'm lucky. The prices are outrageous at the grocery store.
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    ClockworkHare 15 hours ago#66
    The number of employed people on food stamps has dramatically increased due to added restrictions with the last few years, particularly able-bodied individuals without dependents. You're now required to attend employment pursuit training to maintain qualification for food assistance. If you refuse, you lose your benefits.

    Basically the program has become more focused on getting people off of food stamps by aiding them in finding employment and eventually earning an income where they no longer need assistance. You can be employed and still need food assistance because your income is not sufficient to dependably survive off of. A common example are recipients who are working part-time and attending college to get a better career while on food stamps.

    The goal is to offer enough assistance to the needy person that they receive adequate sustenance so they can work towards finding better employment (job hunting is work in itself). Being hungry can make people wish they had a job, but it's not helpful in finding one...

    Telling a starving person to find a job so they can eat is often putting the cart before the horse. Their lack of nutrition can already be a hindering problem. That is why recent changes to such assistance programs now involve both food stamps and employment skill training. Just giving them one or the other was clearly not as effective.
    pegusus123456 14 hours ago#67
    Vertania posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    you understand that WIC has significant restrictions, yeah?

    Uh... yeah. That's exactly why I brought it up. I take it nobody is reading my earlier post, so I'll just quote it:
    Vertania posted...
    They should at least do it like the WIC program. Give people paper checks with specific items on them and put all kinds of tedious, arbitrary limitations on what they can buy. Not only would that help prevent wasteful spending and abuse, but it might motivate them to get off the food stamps.

    With the bolded part, if EBT were half as tedious and restrictive as WIC, people would have to pay out of pocket for certain food choices and may even decide to use their extra money just to avoid the hassle. The ones that really need and appreciate the assistance wouldn't mind the extra steps.

    So you just want to make things so much more difficult and tedious that poor people would rather be hungry than deal with it

    what
    thelovefist 13 hours ago#68
    Vertania posted...
    Darkman124 posted...
    you understand that WIC has significant restrictions, yeah?

    Uh... yeah. That's exactly why I brought it up. I take it nobody is reading my earlier post, so I'll just quote it:
    Vertania posted...
    They should at least do it like the WIC program. Give people paper checks with specific items on them and put all kinds of tedious, arbitrary limitations on what they can buy. Not only would that help prevent wasteful spending and abuse, but it might motivate them to get off the food stamps.

    With the bolded part, if EBT were half as tedious and restrictive as WIC, people would have to pay out of pocket for certain food choices and may even decide to use their extra money just to avoid the hassle. The ones that really need and appreciate the assistance wouldn't mind the extra steps.

    You're trolling right?
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    Crazyman93 12 hours ago#69
    SomeGuyUO posted...
    Only want nasty food to be eligible for food stamps.

    You know vegetable seeds are eligible for food stamps? There is nothing saying these people have to eat garbage. They CHOOSE to eat garbage rather than put the work in to have more good food. That's why they don't deserve sympathy.
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    pegusus123456 12 hours ago#70
    Crazyman93 posted...
    SomeGuyUO posted...
    Only want nasty food to be eligible for food stamps.

    You know vegetable seeds are eligible for food stamps? There is nothing saying these people have to eat garbage. They CHOOSE to eat garbage rather than put the work in to have more good food. That's why they don't deserve sympathy.

    Right?

    Why don't poor people just have a farm?
    ColdOne666 12 hours ago#71
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    YourAlt posted...
    -Gavirulax- posted...
    Miserable? They get free food, at the very least they should (barring disability and old age) work for it like everyone else.


    So you shouldn't get assistance if you are seeking a job?


    Not after a certain amount of time, should be forced into a program like Work for the Dole like Australia uses.


    Australia has unlimited welfare all the Conservatives would cream there pants in rage.
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    SomeLikeItHoth 12 hours ago#72
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.
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    pegusus123456 11 hours ago#73
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.

    Google tells me this is for elderly, disabled, and homeless people aka people who may not be able to cook for themselves.
    SomeLikeItHoth 11 hours ago#74
    pegusus123456 posted...
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.

    Google tells me this is for elderly, disabled, and homeless people aka people who may not be able to cook for themselves.

    Google is wrong. It's for everyone on food stamps. You can even buy Starbucks with food stamps when it's one of those smaller ones inside grocery stores.
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    pegusus123456 11 hours ago#76
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    pegusus123456 posted...
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.

    Google tells me this is for elderly, disabled, and homeless people aka people who may not be able to cook for themselves.

    Google is wrong. It's for everyone on food stamps. You can even buy Starbucks with food stamps when it's one of those smaller ones inside grocery stores.

    So one one hand we have the government website for EBT.

    And on the other we have a troll so dedicated to trolling that he's made like a dozen accounts.
    SomeLikeItHoth 11 hours ago#77
    pegusus123456 posted...
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    pegusus123456 posted...
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.

    Google tells me this is for elderly, disabled, and homeless people aka people who may not be able to cook for themselves.

    Google is wrong. It's for everyone on food stamps. You can even buy Starbucks with food stamps when it's one of those smaller ones inside grocery stores.

    So one one hand we have the government website for EBT.

    And on the other we have a troll so dedicated to trolling that he's made like a dozen accounts.

    Post your dozen alts, troll, so I can tag them accordingly.
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    YourAlt 4 hours ago#78
    Vertania posted...
    darkbuster posted...
    When you get down to it, it comes down to "MY taxes are payin' for your food! You better not be spendin' it on stuff I don't agree with"

    If it's a middle or upper class family, then maybe.

    If it's a working class person who makes too much to qualify for assistance but is still struggling (like Esrac pointed out), it's more like "I'm working, you're not. It's not fair that you're eating better than me."


    Why is working some kind of qualifier to access to food? Who gives a s*** about said persons s***ty job, like it's beneficial,to society or something. Nobody gives a f*** that you shill your time to boost somebody's profits and don't get paid enough for it
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    YourAlt 4 hours ago#79
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.


    False, you f***ing liar.

    pegusus123456 posted...
    SomeLikeItHoth posted...
    In San Jose you can buy fast food like Burger King with food stamps. It's f***ing disgraceful.

    Google tells me this is for elderly, disabled, and homeless people aka people who may not be able to cook for themselves.
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    SomeGuyUO 2 hours ago#80
    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ruth-riley-helps-break-myths-misconceptions-food-stamps/story?id=35449196
    Five myths and misconceptions about SNAP in America

    1. People on food stamps (SNAP) don't work. According to a 2013 article from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the majority of SNAP recipients who can work do so.

    "Among SNAP households with at least one working-age, non-disabled adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP," the article reads, "and more than 80 percent work in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. The rates are even higher for families with children -- more than 60 percent work while receiving SNAP, and almost 90 percent work in the prior or subsequent year."

    Many SNAP recipients cannot work. According to Share Our Strength, 44.7 percent of SNAP recipients are under the age of 18 and two-thirds of those live in single-parent households. Approximately 20 percent of recipients are elderly or on disability

    2. SNAP is a drain on taxpayers. According to the USDA, every $5 in new SNAP benefits generates as much as $9 of economic activity. The ability of families to receive SNAP assistance frees up money for families to spend on transportation, medical care, clothing, home repairs and child care.

    3. Fraud and abuse is a significant issue with SNAP. According to the statistics provided by the USDA, SNAP's accuracy rate in providing correct benefits to low-income people is 96.34 percent.

    Of the 3.6 percent error rate, 0.7 percent is underpayment, and 2.96 percent is overpayment. The error rate has been falling for more than a decade.

    As a point of comparison, the SNAP error rate was 8 percent in 2002. The rate of SNAP benefits that were "trafficked" -- sold for cash or traded for goods -- dropped to 1.3 percent from 2009 to 2011, according to the USDA.

    4. People use SNAP to buy cigarettes and alcohol. According to the USDA, households may use food stamps to buy foods, such as breads and cereals; fruits and vegetables; meats, fish and poultry; and dairy products. Also, they can buy seeds and plants which produce food to eat. (In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.) Households may not use food stamps to buy beer, wine or liquor; cigarettes or tobacco; pet foods; soaps; paper products; household supplies; vitamins and medicines; food that will be eaten in the store; hot foods.

    5. Most people are on food stamps for life. Most households under the SNAP program receive benefits for a six-month period before requiring renewal.

    SNAP has strict time limits for unemployed workers. Able-bodied adults without dependents may receive only three months of SNAP during a three-year period unless they are working in a qualifying job-training program. Benefits decline based on every dollar a SNAP participant earns.
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