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Can someone please explain to me why the Republicans are against a living wage? I hear that doing that will decrease the amount of jobs, but I think the greatest country in the world would have a living wage. Thoughts?
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Because they don't understand economies of scale, and think that paying 1 employee $8 more an hour to make 1000 hamburgers means that each of those 1000 hamburgers have to go up $8 each.
That and they're spiteful little s***s who believe everyone should have to go through the same s***ty life experiences they did.
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They only care about the rich, especially the ones who give them money.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. False. We haven't had a significant minimum wage increase in years, and yet here we are with the cost of living having increased at an even higher rate than when we were continually adjusting minimum wage.
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So naturally the solution is to see costs rise anyway, gut essential services, gut the social safety net, gift more tax dollars via corporate welfare and subsidies, give the rich even more tax cuts and just for good measure provide major incentives for businesses to outsource or turn to automation leading to even fewer jobs. Murica!
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https://www.attn.com/videos/18645/why-raising-minimum-wage-good-everyone
This video interested me, but I'm far from an economics expert so I can't really speak to the validity of its viewpoint.
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Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. 5 seconds on google: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/06/27/report-finds-seattles-15-minimum-wage-may-hurting-workers/431424001/
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Bullet_Wing posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. However, it doesn't actually appear to help much either. The issue is that costs of living need to be fixed, not the amount a person is paid. As it stands, MW increases just pushes people that make more than it into a lower class.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. I mean, that even says in the article that companies cut hours to make up for it. No one has actually given the idea that more income = more purchasing power a fair study. The results may very well end up the same, but to say "it's been proven time and time again" is rather disingenuous.
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ArtiRock posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. It is standard liberal logic. Promise free ponies and rainbows for everyone, then when the Republicans say "That would be nice, but lets be realistic here" the media has a field day saying every conservative hates poor people and is in the pocket of corporate America.
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SaikyoStyle posted...
Maintaining a permanent underclass doomed to an endless cycle of misery, poverty, and violence feeds our dark and covert need to feel superior to others. No. Imagine if you will that minimum wage is 7 dollars. If you make 14 dollars, you're doing alright. Now imagine if minimum wage got raised to 14 dollars. You're now underpaid. Or would you be fine with that? And now that employers of people are paying double what they were before, they need a way to compensate for the increased wages. While I agree that the rich might be able to stand getting paid less, minimum wage isn't the solution.
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They only care about the rich. That said, it's foolish to expect a mandatory "livable wage" by law. There are real consequences to arbitrary raising of that wage, including more attempts by employers to cut costs with reduced hours, layoffs, and automation, and higher prices for everyone as those costs are passed on.
It sucks that a lot of the available jobs in the country are very low paying. This is the result of decades of globalization, and rich US CEO's making hundreds of millions for themselves while outsourcing, etc. I don't know what the answer is. Some people believed that clown Trump had the answers. I do know arbitrary raising of wages by law is not the answer though. The consequences of that are not "free".
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
It is standard liberal logic. Promise free ponies and rainbows for everyone, then when the Republicans say "That would be nice, but lets be realistic here" You uh.... you DO realize the directly contradicts why Donnie was just elected.... right?
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
ArtiRock posted...Bullet_Wing posted...AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. No, I agree with you, I'm more just playing devil's advocate. Like Artirock said, it's cost of living that actually needs to be addressed. Minimum wage is just easier to change and supposedly looks good short term. And, (even though I don't think it would succeed) no one has really given minimum wage raising a fair shot. If it were given a fair shot and failed, its proponents wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would be forced to address the real issues.
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Can you keep up with all the flip flopping by Trump here? It's crazy, even by his standards.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/28/donald-trump/donald-trump-gets-full-flop-stance-minimum-wage/
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Short answer: Greed
Japan has a pretty method of paying CEOs. https://www.economist.com/news/business/21703430-japanese-bosses-still-find-it-hard-ask-more-pay-check
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The sad fact is businesses won't accept a hit to their profits because they have to pay their employees more. They WILL raise prices to compensate and that will hurt everyone and the people making minimum wage will be in the exact same position they were before. The only way it would work is a wage increase and some kind of stipulation that prices can't rise, which is government overreach.
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ArtiRock posted...
SaikyoStyle posted...Maintaining a permanent underclass doomed to an endless cycle of misery, poverty, and violence feeds our dark and covert need to feel superior to others. $14 an hour is a s*** wage too, but at least imaginary me gets to look down his nose at the guy stuck making $7. If the minimum wage goes up, he wouldn't have that anymore.
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Porunga posted...
The sad fact is businesses won't accept a hit to their profits because they have to pay their employees more. They WILL raise prices to compensate and that will hurt everyone and the people making minimum wage will be in the exact same position they were before. The only way it would work is a wage increase and some kind of stipulation that prices can't rise, which is government overreach. So is this a failing of capitalism in general? The more businesses take advantage of their capitalist liberties, the greater the gap between the rich and the poor. Again, I'm far from an economics expert and I think the sentence I just typed is borderline socialist. It's hard to know what's right here, though.
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Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
Because they don't understand economies of scale, and think that paying 1 employee $8 more an hour to make 1000 hamburgers means that each of those 1000 hamburgers have to go up $8 each. Let's discuss your economic ignorance. That hamburger's labor prices go up for sure, but we're not going to start with the hamburger. We're going to start with the farm where the cow is raised. All the farmhands now have to get paid more, so this part costs more money. The people who transport the cows are probably already paid 15 or more an hour, so we'll skip to the butchers and packers, who now have to get paid more as well. Those folks don't ship straight to mcdonalds, but they do ship to a storage facility for the fast food chain, whose workers now have to have a price increase as well. Now the meat finally makes its way to mcdonald's, whose workers have a price increase. We are assuming all truck drivers make more than 15$ an hour and thus have no price increase, which is a huge slap in the face to them because proportionally they will be making less compared to the general population. But forget about those rich snobs, am I right? So in order to not make a hamburger's price increase at mcdonald's, mcdonald's has to eat the profit loss of labor from purchasing the meat, packaging the meat and preparing the meat, while ignoring the whining of people who were formerly paid multiple times the minimum wage but are now paid just a smidge over it. This for an industry which has an average profit margin of just over 2%. Granted, mcdonald's itself has a much higher profit margin, but they actually don't own most mcdonald's restaurants. They just collect royalties from them. "hurr if they can't make a profit with our insane rules they should just go out of business" And go out of business they will, and they won't be replaced by anything and people will just buy more pseudo-food from the 1 dollar frozen aisle at Walmart, which will become the 2.50 dollar frozen aisle at walmart. Checkmate, republicans?
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its not like the Democrats really want to raise it either, I mean they have that Baltimore mayor who literally campaigned on raising the minimum wage but then vetoed it when she got actual legislation to raise it, and then when Kshama Sawant fought to raise to minimum wage in Seattle, it was Democrats that got in her way to try to block it, and the Democrat's trade deals have done far more harm in lowering US wages cause they allow companies to outsource our jobs to countries that pay slave wages
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Bullet_Wing posted...
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...ArtiRock posted...Bullet_Wing posted...AngelsNAirwav3s posted...Because it has been proven time and again that raising the minimum wage doesn't do anything but raise the cost off living. I wasn't really responding directly to you, just trolling a bit, the economy is much more complicated than most dems or repubs realize, and there is no easy fix like raising minimum wage or lowering corporate taxes (trickle down) unfortunately. I just find it funny how people get demonized so fast for pointing this out.
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Xtopher85 posted...
Porunga posted...The sad fact is businesses won't accept a hit to their profits because they have to pay their employees more. They WILL raise prices to compensate and that will hurt everyone and the people making minimum wage will be in the exact same position they were before. The only way it would work is a wage increase and some kind of stipulation that prices can't rise, which is government overreach. Exactly. It is this way by design. Businesses have money, money is power. They pay politicians to stack the deck in the businesses favor so they continue hording all of the money, and the people get less and less all the time. It will just keep getting worse until the government puts a stop to it. Regulations exist for a reason. |
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Can someone please explain to me why the Republicans are against a living wage? I hear that doing that will decrease the amount of jobs, but I think the greatest country in the world would have a living wage. Thoughts? Doing this will not cost jobs. Jobs are there because the labor is needed due to demand. For the most part it will not hurt. The biggest hurt would be small business. But, they would see better customers. They would have to increase costs a little. But not everything would need to see that. For the most part it would only help. The problem is, many of those that have think they should have more. Never realizing that they rely on customers to make money. And those customers rely on other customers. Better wages can only help. Plus, it is just principle to me. A corporation making huge money on the labor of those that do the work. And then some pay them minimum wage or at least low enough they cannot survive. All while a CEO and others make millions like they have more time in their day to do work. And being honest these high paid do much less work. They "work" in ways most would consider time off. |
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Because the Republicans of today want to return to a time when slavery wasn't just acceptable, but also good business. So they'll continue slashing the minimum wage more and more until corporations and the wealthiest Americans can profit off of people effectively working without any pay whatsoever.
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Raising the minimum wage is self defeating while at the same time having polices of harboring undocumented immigrants to waltz in to get hired for lower pay under the table or letting businesses look for cheaper labor from another country.
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CommonGrackle posted...
"Low" is modest. The minimum wage should be eliminated. That is an absolutely terrible idea. People would be hired for jobs based on how low a paycheck they'd be willing to take. Raising the minimum wage would cause more problems than its worth, but eliminating it completely would be absurd.
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SaikyoStyle posted...
ArtiRock posted...SaikyoStyle posted...Maintaining a permanent underclass doomed to an endless cycle of misery, poverty, and violence feeds our dark and covert need to feel superior to others. It's not garbage depending on your location. In the South East for instance, that's pretty solid. The fact that $14 an hour is considered s*** should be a telling sign that CoL is too much. What good does it do to make more than that if rent and bills end up being 4k a month anyways? It's not about being able to look down on people here. It's a matter of cost of living not causing a person on minimum wage to be in a loop of going to work and then going home with a potential illness or a car breaking down ruining their lives. THIS is the real problem.not "they don't make enough money" necessarily.
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CommonGrackle posted...
"Low" is modest. The minimum wage should be eliminated. Yes looking at history you can clearly tell that people were richer, happier and more equal during the times before the minimum wage
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ClayGuida posted...
Minimum wage should be whatever it takes to live decently, not in poverty. So if inflation kicks in, which it has for the last 30 years, while wages stayed stagnant, then so does the minimum wage. If milk goes up 20% for no other reason than to go up, then so does wage.
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Both parties only care about the rich, the republicans are just a bit more blatant about it
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TonyKojima posted...
ClayGuida posted...Minimum wage should be whatever it takes to live decently, not in poverty. So if inflation kicks in, which it has for the last 30 years, while wages stayed stagnant, then so does the minimum wage. If milk goes up 20% for no other reason than to go up, then so does wage. or we can just give poor people money instead of laundering it through the food and retail service industry I mean, what about those people who don't have jobs at all? They don't get your precious minimum wage.
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I think we should get rid of minimum wage. The burden of ensuring people have enough to survive should fall on the government, not on businesses... Which is why I also favor universal basic income. Set a floor so that people are taken care of. Let them decide how much they're willing to work for when they don't need to work to survive.
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I'd imagine that at some point in time this is a problem that might fix itself. This 'college or death' mindset that is drilled into kids will likely scare them away from moving up the ladder in this fashion if they can. They'll just automate as many of these jobs as they can and they won't exist.
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Xtopher85 posted...
Porunga posted...The sad fact is businesses won't accept a hit to their profits because they have to pay their employees more. They WILL raise prices to compensate and that will hurt everyone and the people making minimum wage will be in the exact same position they were before. The only way it would work is a wage increase and some kind of stipulation that prices can't rise, which is government overreach. It's more human nature. When's the last time you saw something being sold for $5 but said you'd pay $10 because the people making it need to make a better living? Depending on the product, we might stubbornly wait for a sale to only pay $3. Why should anyone else be less prone to paying more for something than they have to? |
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Romes187 posted...
I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently Ahhh so its only about finding work not making a living. Hey if we can offer jobs at $2 an hour unemployment would be erased!!
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Romes187 posted...I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently Haha I can see Alec Baldwin on Weekend Update now: "Unemployment. Solved. Next."
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Porunga posted...
The sad fact is businesses won't accept a hit to their profits because they have to pay their employees more. They WILL raise prices to compensate and that will hurt everyone and the people making minimum wage will be in the exact same position they were before. The only way it would work is a wage increase and some kind of stipulation that prices can't rise, which is government overreach.
So is this a failing of capitalism in general? The more businesses take advantage of their capitalist liberties, the greater the gap between the rich and the poor.
Again, I'm far from an economics expert and I think the sentence I just typed is borderline socialist. It's hard to know what's right here, though.
It's more human nature. When's the last time you saw something being sold for $5 but said you'd pay $10 because the people making it need to make a better living? Depending on the product, we might stubbornly wait for a sale to only pay $3. Why should anyone else be less prone to paying more for something than they have to?
Uh all the f***ing time. That what sales are intended on doing. I bought this for 5 when it was on sale, and I bought it for 10 not on sale because I liked it so muchlolAmericaTonyKojima posted...Romes187 posted...
I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently
If you think that is greedy then I don't know what to say. If I thought raising the minimum wage would actually help people out, I'd be for that.
Ahhh so its only about finding work not making a living. Hey if we can offer jobs at $2 an hour unemployment would be erased!!
No. I believe there are people out there who have the ability to really make a difference in the world but haven't been given the opportunity to build their skill set. While I believe raising the minimum wage will help a certain set of people (likely older, low skilled workers who have experience), I think it will price out any young kids who may need that experience in order to get that next job to prove themselves.Romes187 posted...TonyKojima posted...
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I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently
If you think that is greedy then I don't know what to say. If I thought raising the minimum wage would actually help people out, I'd be for that.
Ahhh so its only about finding work not making a living. Hey if we can offer jobs at $2 an hour unemployment would be erased!!
No. I believe there are people out there who have the ability to really make a difference in the world but haven't been given the opportunity to build their skill set. While I believe raising the minimum wage will help a certain set of people (likely older, low skilled workers who have experience) but will price out any young kids who may need that experience in order to get that next job to prove themselves.
Ahh so we have to cater to young kids because we need them to prove themselves first by making garbage pay. Because you people have this absurd idea that min wage jobs are "not meant to live on but to teach". This is completely BEYOND absurd.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56ClayGuida posted...Minimum wage should be whatever it takes to live decently, not in poverty. So if inflation kicks in, which it has for the last 30 years, while wages stayed stagnant, then so does the minimum wage. If milk goes up 20% for no other reason than to go up, then so does wage.
This is especially true when you remember that Congress gets automatic pay raises to match inflation.TonyKojima posted...Romes187 posted...
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I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently
If you think that is greedy then I don't know what to say. If I thought raising the minimum wage would actually help people out, I'd be for that.
Ahhh so its only about finding work not making a living. Hey if we can offer jobs at $2 an hour unemployment would be erased!!
No. I believe there are people out there who have the ability to really make a difference in the world but haven't been given the opportunity to build their skill set. While I believe raising the minimum wage will help a certain set of people (likely older, low skilled workers who have experience) but will price out any young kids who may need that experience in order to get that next job to prove themselves.
Ahh so we have to cater to young kids because we need them to prove themselves first by making garbage pay. Because you people have this absurd idea that min wage jobs are "not meant to live on but to teach". This is completely BEYOND absurd.
No, I think you should get what you are worth. Strangely enough, when you price out younger labor, you start to see things like unpaid internships...usually requiring being in a degree program.
Instead of being paid $2 an hour to learn, they are paying to do the same thing...Romes187 posted...TonyKojima posted...
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I want a lower minimum wage because I believe it will provide more opportunities for those who cannot find work currently
If you think that is greedy then I don't know what to say. If I thought raising the minimum wage would actually help people out, I'd be for that.
Ahhh so its only about finding work not making a living. Hey if we can offer jobs at $2 an hour unemployment would be erased!!
No. I believe there are people out there who have the ability to really make a difference in the world but haven't been given the opportunity to build their skill set. While I believe raising the minimum wage will help a certain set of people (likely older, low skilled workers who have experience) but will price out any young kids who may need that experience in order to get that next job to prove themselves.
Ahh so we have to cater to young kids because we need them to prove themselves first by making garbage pay. Because you people have this absurd idea that min wage jobs are "not meant to live on but to teach". This is completely BEYOND absurd.
No, I think you should get what you are worth. Strangely enough, when you price out younger labor, you start to see things like unpaid internships...usually requiring being in a degree program.
Instead of being paid $2 an hour to learn, they are paying to do the same thing...
Every single worker is worth a living wage. Frankly too bad if the taker owner class is forced to make less money, they'll get by as they always have. If you cannot afford a living wage thwen you cannot afford to own a business.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56TonyKojima posted...Every single worker is worth a living wage. Frankly too bad if the taker owner class is forced to make less money, they'll get by as they always have. If you cannot afford a living wage thwen you cannot afford to own a business.
Those are all nice statements but I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for them.Romes187 posted...TonyKojima posted...
Every single worker is worth a living wage. Frankly too bad if the taker owner class is forced to make less money, they'll get by as they always have. If you cannot afford a living wage thwen you cannot afford to own a business.
Those are all nice statements but I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for them.
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PSN - Guncrazy56Romes187 posted...Those are all nice statements but I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for them.
I feel like your thought process goes into the 'privatize the profit, socialize the risk' aspect that is so prevalent in our society right now. The tax payer would be the one bailing out the tab for the corporations not paying a living wage. That, or you would need unions everywhere.That just raises further questionsArtiRock posted...SaikyoStyle posted...
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Maintaining a permanent underclass doomed to an endless cycle of misery, poverty, and violence feeds our dark and covert need to feel superior to others.
No. Imagine if you will that minimum wage is 7 dollars. If you make 14 dollars, you're doing alright. Now imagine if minimum wage got raised to 14 dollars. You're now underpaid. Or would you be fine with that?
And now that employers of people are paying double what they were before, they need a way to compensate for the increased wages. While I agree that the rich might be able to stand getting paid less, minimum wage isn't the solution.
$14 an hour is a s*** wage too, but at least imaginary me gets to look down his nose at the guy stuck making $7. If the minimum wage goes up, he wouldn't have that anymore.
It's not garbage depending on your location. In the South East for instance, that's pretty solid. The fact that $14 an hour is considered s*** should be a telling sign that CoL is too much. What good does it do to make more than that if rent and bills end up being 4k a month anyways?
It's not about being able to look down on people here. It's a matter of cost of living not causing a person on minimum wage to be in a loop of going to work and then going home with a potential illness or a car breaking down ruining their lives. THIS is the real problem.not "they don't make enough money" necessarily.
I live in the southeast. $14/hr is a s*** wage, but I'd probably think that no matter where I lived. Also, you're talking about the issue itself. I'm talking about voters who don't particularly understand or care about the issue.Orlando City/USA Soccer
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Every single worker is worth a living wage. Frankly too bad if the taker owner class is forced to make less money, they'll get by as they always have. If you cannot afford a living wage thwen you cannot afford to own a business.
Those are all nice statements but I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for them.
You're joking right???
Nospiralofnine posted...Romes187 posted...
Those are all nice statements but I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for them.
I feel like your thought process goes into the 'privatize the profit, socialize the risk' aspect that is so prevalent in our society right now. The tax payer would be the one bailing out the tab for the corporations not paying a living wage. That, or you would need unions everywhere.
I am not for corporate welfare.spiralofnine posted...Romes187 posted...
I am not for corporate welfare.
No one is until their local government says 'either we get the jobs or they get the jobs' and then everyone caves.
The taxpayer is the person who is going to lose if/when low wages get solved.
Well that's a problem with their local government not wanting to do the unpopular but necessary thing for true economic growth (at least in my opinion...I could be wrong and growth may be better during periods of intense government intervention and price floors...I'm always open to debate)
Problem with politics is elections are in the short term and we need long term economic thought.SaikyoStyle posted...ArtiRock posted...
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Maintaining a permanent underclass doomed to an endless cycle of misery, poverty, and violence feeds our dark and covert need to feel superior to others.
No. Imagine if you will that minimum wage is 7 dollars. If you make 14 dollars, you're doing alright. Now imagine if minimum wage got raised to 14 dollars. You're now underpaid. Or would you be fine with that?
And now that employers of people are paying double what they were before, they need a way to compensate for the increased wages. While I agree that the rich might be able to stand getting paid less, minimum wage isn't the solution.
$14 an hour is a s*** wage too, but at least imaginary me gets to look down his nose at the guy stuck making $7. If the minimum wage goes up, he wouldn't have that anymore.
It's not garbage depending on your location. In the South East for instance, that's pretty solid. The fact that $14 an hour is considered s*** should be a telling sign that CoL is too much. What good does it do to make more than that if rent and bills end up being 4k a month anyways?
It's not about being able to look down on people here. It's a matter of cost of living not causing a person on minimum wage to be in a loop of going to work and then going home with a potential illness or a car breaking down ruining their lives. THIS is the real problem.not "they don't make enough money" necessarily.
I live in the southeast. $14/hr is a s*** wage, but I'd probably think that no matter where I lived. Also, you're talking about the issue itself. I'm talking about voters who don't particularly understand or care about the issue.
It's not. I lived on $12 at one point. It's pretty lame and you have to party up, but it's not the atrocious 8 dollars or so. You can at least save... Barely, but it's there.
And fair enough on voters. I can get behind that sentiment.This is the duty of the Grim Angels.Let's just cut the crap and say it like it is.
Republicans worry that raising minimum wage will have an effect on them. They don't want the price of goods to go up and cost them more.
And they don't give a s*** about the poor people it could help. They look down on them for working low wage jobs in the first place. They see them as leeches.Posted using GameFluxSczoyd posted...Let's just cut the crap and say it like it is.
Republicans worry that raising minimum wage will have an effect on them. They don't want the price of goods to go up and cost them more.
And they don't give a s*** about the poor people it could help. They look down on them for working low wage jobs in the first place. They see them as leeches.
Cost shouldn't even be rising currently, though, given that minimum wage hasn't gone up in three decades now, or at least gone up at a reasonable rate. And yet somehow, my vegetables from the store seem to be getting 0.25 more expensive every 3 months -- buying in-season only.
So the fact that this actually IS what conservatives and extreme right-wing nuts seem to be thinking, is simply sad and ignorant.
It would not surprise me if it eventually hits a point where the whole Middle Class decides "Nope, not worth it" and drops their jobs en mass. Would hit the Govt's pocket book EXTREMELY hard and force them to actually look at this s*** for a change.Each new party member is unique but Magilou the Witch is easily the highlight.
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