Why is the left wing so obsessed with race?

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Funkx 5 days ago#1 When you're a kid, you're taught that the color of your skin doesn't matter. Yet pretty much every argument from the left on civil issues comes down to race. Yes, there was institutional racism, but that was essentially a generation ago now. It seems inherently racist to classify people by race. Yes, you can look at someone's skin color and say that person is "black" or "white" but it doesn't really mean anything. Most people just have only as many inherent prejudices as exist in their unconscious minds. The left takes outlier situations and construes them as racism. They also have postmodernist nonsense like "coded language" where anything can be interpreted as racist.  Andrew Breitbart was absolutely right about that at the very least. It has gotten to the point of self parody because now everything on the left traces back to race. It's now first and foremost the goal of the left to make distinctions by race. If you see a white officer arresting a black man, if your first thought is "they're just shaking him up because he's black" that is an inherently racist statement.  Allow me to explain. Your first distinction when looking at a human being should not be the color of their skin. Yes it is a way that people are profiled, but the moment the narrative starts with "because he's black" you have essentially created a category and a power structure for that person. I thought that the left was about equality. Tracing everything immediately back to race is pretty much racism, because you are classifying people that should be classified by race as little as possible. Doing some critical thinking would help the left immensely. Equality means everybody gets a fair roll of the dice, and if things seem unfair we don't determine that it's a conspiracy of racism. Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man. quote

CherryTsundere 5 days ago#2 Color-blindness is a myth. Behold my beauty! quote

Welles 5 days ago#3 CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. Got that right. She ran. And when she finally stopped ... it was, as if, she had collapsed into the sun. quote

Bond_543 5 days ago#4 b/c they cant argue their ideology, as its wrong morally, logically, and empirically. They are also not leftists. leftists do not advocate for the perpetuation of the state. thats a rightist conservative ideal. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg (edited 5 days ago)quote

Funkx (Topic Creator)5 days ago#5 CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man. (edited 5 days ago)quote

luigi33 5 days ago#6 Classic case of Right-Wing Lunatics introduce a bill that would drastically have negative impact on people of color Left Wing Liberals complain about it Right Win Lunatics mad that Liberals make everything about race when they introduced a bill that made it about race in the first place 3DS FC: 5370-0672-9935 Steam ID: Xcyper33 quote

Triad 5 days ago#7 What you're saying is precisely the set of facts that the "left wing" operates off of, the fringe notwithstanding.  Unless you think that racism wouldn't exist without the left acknowledging it, there's really nothing particularly baffling about the left's approach to it. The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. (edited 5 days ago)quote

TheHonorableOne 5 days ago#8 All the left really has is "thats racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/transphobic/etc" MAGA. (edited 5 days ago)quote

Sephiroth4747 5 days ago#9 luigi33 posted... Classic case of Right-Wing Lunatics introduce a bill that would drastically have negative impact on people of color Left Wing Liberals complain about it Right Win Lunatics mad that Liberals make everything about race when they introduced a bill that made it about race in the first place Republicans: "Stupid liberals only care about the trans community!!!" 4 seconds later. Republicans: "HERE'S ANOTHER BATHROOM BILL!!" quote

Triad 5 days ago#10 Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. (edited 5 days ago)quote

hoax123 5 days ago#11 But im not the one who is so deathly afraid of "scary" brown people, thats the right. Lock her up! quote

Newhopes 5 days ago#12 Bond_543 posted... b/c they cant argue their ideology, as its wrong morally, logically, and empirically. They are also not leftists. leftists do not advocate for the perpetuation of the state. thats a rightist conservative ideal. Not really both extreme sides of the scale tend to lean toward big government. quote

Funkx (Topic Creator)5 days ago#13 Triad posted... Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... Historically they have come from both sides, but no one on the right is really racist except for the extremists that the left holds up as the rule instead of the exception. Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man. quote

Triad 5 days ago#14 Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... Historically they have come from both sides, but no one on the right is really racist except for the extremists that the left holds up as the rule instead of the exception. Wow dude. lmao The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. quote

AceMos 5 days ago#15 uh the right wing are the ones who pass bills that effect group X then the left attack that bill  the right are the ones making it about race hell trump ran on a campaign full of this 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* quote

LewsTheDragon 5 days ago#16 Funkx posted... It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. What studies? I'm unaware of them. On the other hand there are multiple studies that show the opposite: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10770563/Babies-show-racial-bias-study-finds.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/04/racist-babies-nine-month-olds-bias-faces_n_1477937.html https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/are-we-born-racist/201110/the-genius-infants-are-we-really-born-racist This makes evolutionary sense even, since the Great Apes we descended from were almost certainly communal. Humans gravitate towards other humans with similar looks, values, and perspectives. This is practically a truism. That said, in no way do I think that this excuses us as a Species from Racism. The rushing river of White Supremacy that has been an abhorrent undercurrent in American life since Day One, needs to be called out and addressed. Just because evolution might push us a direction, does not mean we must follow. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. (edited 5 days ago)quote

TheHonorableOne 5 days ago#17 AceMos posted... uh the right wing are the ones who pass bills that effect group X then the left attack that bill  yeah the left is really concerned with stopping affirmative action. MAGA. quote

Funkx (Topic Creator)5 days ago#18 Triad posted... Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... Historically they have come from both sides, but no one on the right is really racist except for the extremists that the left holds up as the rule instead of the exception. Wow dude. lmao See you can't actually argue it Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man. quote

G_I_B_B_O_N 5 days ago#19 Because a large segment of the voting base from the left is colored. Simple. Voting based tend to talk about topics that affect them. Mortal Kombat X, Overwatch and Dark Souls matches https://youtu.be/vCiHx2v1Gc4 (edited 5 days ago)quote

MegatokyoEd 5 days ago#20 A good percentage of this country, on both the left and right, is still racist. Racism has been built into this country from the day it was created and people are still alive and in government from when blacks couldn't even use the same bathrooms as whites. The only way you can keep up this charade of racism not existing in this country at a major level is if your only definition of racism being donning a clan hood and wanting to go hang a darkie. [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] quote

VeiledGenesis 5 days ago#21 I know I'll be called a liar, but someone's ethnicity/race doesn't mean a fucking thing to me. I just don't let that shit influence my opinion and treatment of someone. Great people, assholes, and morons come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The Sword quote

Triad 5 days ago#22 Anyway, you appear to be misguided about children and their views of race: "What’s more, decades of research suggests that even if parents are not talking about race, children are noticing it, so avoidance will not make it go away. By 3 or 4 years of age, White children in the U.S., Canada, Australia and Europe show preferences for other White children. For example, while parents of children in the storybook study above predicted that their children would show no race bias, the children did on average tend to favorite Whites to Blacks. Results like these demonstrate that those very same White children whose parents insist their children do not see race, walk into research labs across the world and, when presented with a line-up of possible friends, are quick to select the White ones rather than the Black, Asian, Hispanic, or Indigenous ones." https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/developing-minds/201304/are-kids-racist "A standard visual preference task was used to examine 3-month-olds' looking times at own-race versus other-race faces as a function of environmental exposure to faces from the two categories. Participants were Caucasian infants living in a Caucasian environment, African infants living in an African environment, and African infants living in a predominantly Caucasian environment. The results indicate that preference for own-race faces is present as early as 3 months of age, but that this preference results from exposure to the prototypical facial environment." http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01679.x "While newborn infants demonstrated no spontaneous preference for faces from either their own- or other-ethnic groups, 3-month-old infants demonstrated a significant preference for faces from their own-ethnic group. These results suggest that preferential selectivity based on ethnic differences is not present in the first days of life, but is learned within the first 3 months of life. The findings imply that adults' perceptions of ethnic differences are learned and derived from differences in exposure to own- versus other-race faces during early development." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566511/ They aren't colorblind because they observe the obviously non colorblind society we live in and because of exposure and which races they are used to and normalize due to their environments.  It's pretty hard to address this without, you know, bringing it up. *edit* Looks like someone posted one of these already. The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. (edited 5 days ago)quote

Triad 5 days ago#23 Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... Historically they have come from both sides, but no one on the right is really racist except for the extremists that the left holds up as the rule instead of the exception. Wow dude. lmao See you can't actually argue it It's like trying to argue with someone over whether rain exists. Where do you even start? The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. quote

TheHonorableOne 5 days ago#24 Left: Racism exists and affects everything. Right: Prove it. Left: Trust me, it just does. MAGA. quote

Funkx (Topic Creator)5 days ago#25 Triad posted... Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... Triad posted... Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Where do you think those prejudices come from? The left?  ... Historically they have come from both sides, but no one on the right is really racist except for the extremists that the left holds up as the rule instead of the exception. Wow dude. lmao See you can't actually argue it It's like trying to argue with someone over whether rain exists. Where do you even start? So you've still presented no argument. Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a dumb man's idea of a smart man and a weak man's idea of a strong man. quote

Bond_543 5 days ago#26 Newhopes posted... Bond_543 posted... b/c they cant argue their ideology, as its wrong morally, logically, and empirically. They are also not leftists. leftists do not advocate for the perpetuation of the state. thats a rightist conservative ideal. Not really both extreme sides of the scale tend to lean toward big government. no, big govt is entirely rightist. leftists seek to demolish such institutions. you are confused b/c some call themselves leftists when they arent. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg (edited 5 days ago)quote

LewsTheDragon 5 days ago#27 Racism isn't linked to a party. It's linked to power. Like Carlin said, "It's one big club, baby, and you ain't in it!" To my point, let's not forget that it was FDR, the great Liberal, who initiated the Japanese internment camps. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. (edited 5 days ago)quote

Shanty_Irishman 5 days ago#28 Funkx posted... CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. It really isn't. Studies have demonstrated time and time again that young children barely recognize racial differences. As you get older, you build up explanations and predjudices that classify races in the sort of tribal "me against them" sense that exists in just about everything. Young children laugh when their friends fall down on their faces, it's the job of the parents/teachers to make them into better adults, apparently the ones in your life failed you. amateuronamateurs.wordpress.com My Teams NY Yankees | Notre Dame Fighting Irish | NY Rangers | Brooklyn Nets | NY Giants | quote

The_Undying_84 5 days ago#29 You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  The idea that institutional racism is anywhere close to over is utterly absurd. PSN: TheUndying84 (edited 5 days ago)quote

Jabraham 5 days ago#30 TheHonorableOne posted... Left: Racism exists and affects everything. Right: Prove it. Left: Trust me, it just does. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/12/meritocracy/418074/ http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/29/bank-pay-106m-over-loan-discrimination-charges/86526572/ http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/15/528457693/supreme-court-declines-republican-bid-to-revive-north-carolina-voter-id-law I could go on. If you think liberals aren't trying to provide evidence, you're being willfully ignorant. You could try educating yourself. I ain't trippin cause the truth is really you don't know me. quote

hoax123 5 days ago#31 Jabraham posted... TheHonorableOne posted... Left: Racism exists and affects everything. Right: Prove it. Left: Trust me, it just does. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/12/meritocracy/418074/ http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/06/29/bank-pay-106m-over-loan-discrimination-charges/86526572/ http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/15/528457693/supreme-court-declines-republican-bid-to-revive-north-carolina-voter-id-law I could go on. If you think liberals aren't trying to provide evidence, you're being willfully ignorant. You could try educating yourself. Reminder, THO wants to execute all illegals. Lock her up! quote

lowtides 5 days ago#32 Did you forget about Obama's whole presidency? The right were disgusting during that whole time up until the end, and even now because of the color of his skin, and Michelle's and even his daughters' (some will fight me over this but it's true).  This is one of those dumb threads. (edited 5 days ago)quote

LewsTheDragon 5 days ago#33 The_Undying_84 posted... You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  The idea that institutional racism is anywhere close to over is utterly absurd. See, I think the issue here is not Right/Left. It has to do with that one word: Institution. Insofar as our society relies on the sorts of institutions we've created, we'd be crazy to expect anything else. Don't forget that Clinton passed the crime bill that has exploded our prison population and robbed an entire generation of black children of their fathers. Until we have real, honest conversations about the institutions themselves, both public and private, we're unlikely to make any meaningful headway. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. quote

Bond_543 5 days ago#34 The_Undying_84 posted... You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  yes your right. bigotry and racism still exist. such as labeling entire groups of people (like whites and the right) as racist and bigoted. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

The_Undying_84 5 days ago#35 LewsTheDragon posted... The_Undying_84 posted... You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  The idea that institutional racism is anywhere close to over is utterly absurd. See, I think the issue here is not Right/Left. It has to do with that one word: Institution. Insofar as our society relies on the sorts of institutions we've created, we'd be crazy to expect anything else. Don't forget that Clinton passed the crime bill that has exploded our prison population and robbed an entire generation of black children of their fathers. Until we have real, honest conversations about the institutions themselves, both public and private, we're unlikely to make any meaningful headway. What a party (or even a specific person) did decades ago isn't necessarily representative of their current state. Bringing up Japanese internment as in your previous point was utterly absurd, and bringing up what Bill Clinton did 20 years ago isn't all that much better. Right now, one party acknowledges that racial issues exist and the other doesn't. Actually the other is getting dangerously close to acknowledging them inversely, and blaming the victims. PSN: TheUndying84 (edited 5 days ago)quote

Triad 5 days ago#36 "So you've still presented no argument." You should stop trying this angle. On some level you have to know how bad this topic is. I'm not sure why you've decided to just embarrass yourself like this.  Besides what those in the Republican party have literally already admitted about their leader, what form of evidence would you like? The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. quote

Triad 5 days ago#37 The_Undying_84 posted... LewsTheDragon posted... The_Undying_84 posted... You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  The idea that institutional racism is anywhere close to over is utterly absurd. See, I think the issue here is not Right/Left. It has to do with that one word: Institution. Insofar as our society relies on the sorts of institutions we've created, we'd be crazy to expect anything else. Don't forget that Clinton passed the crime bill that has exploded our prison population and robbed an entire generation of black children of their fathers. Until we have real, honest conversations about the institutions themselves, both public and private, we're unlikely to make any meaningful headway. What a party (or even a specific person) did decades ago isn't necessarily representative of their current state. Bringing up Japanese internment as in your previous point was utterly absurd, and bringing up what Bill Clinton did 20 years ago isn't all that much better. Right now, one party acknowledges that racial issues exist and the other doesn't. Actually the other is getting dangerously close to acknowledging them inversely, and blaming the victims. There's also the fact that doing something decades ago that has hurt a race disproportionately while having the support of significant representative body of said race and acknowledging that it was a mistake is considerably distinct from pushing for more of it currently. The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with. quote

TheHonorableOne 5 days ago#38 The_Undying_84 posted... Right now, one party acknowledges that racial issues exist and the other doesn't. Democrats acknowledge racism and then use racism to 'solve' it. MAGA. quote

kriztov1 5 days ago#39 TheHonorableOne posted... The_Undying_84 posted... Right now, one party acknowledges that racial issues exist and the other doesn't. Democrats acknowledge racism and then use racism to 'solve' it. Stop white-knighting white people. I'm not going to sleep with you. Dear diary, I'm the prettiest girl in school and they're all jealous... quote

Emerald_Melios 2 days ago#40 MegatokyoEd posted... A good percentage of this country, on both the left and right, is still racist. Racism has been built into this country from the day it was created and people are still alive and in government from when blacks couldn't even use the same bathrooms as whites. It reminds me of astrologers with their equally unscientific astromancy. quote

Carmelo 2 days ago#41 CherryTsundere posted... Color-blindness is a myth. Agreed, I read a great article sometime ago about color blind racism, and how it might actually be the most common form of racism among otherwise well meaning white people today quote

pnut027 2 days ago#42 As a kid, we were also taught that the tooth fairy and Santa Claus were real, and that long division was a skill worth knowing. Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years. quote

Bond_543 2 days ago#43 pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

carljenk 2 days ago#44 Joke ideology Sorry if my posts make you feel emotional. It is not my intent. quote

dermoratraken 2 days ago#45 It's a positive feedback cycle driven by confirmation bias and logical fallacy. Nothing more to it than that. Everything can be seen as racist because they are trying to see it as racist since it reinforces their ego, strengthens their argument, and harms the oppositions image. quote

ArabrockermanX 2 days ago#46 Because the Right wing has been using a dog whistle for decades until Trump finally came along with a bull horn. The internet, where people come to be a dumbass. quote

Marmitecashews 2 days ago#47 Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. Does that include the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny lies? Caution: A Boring British Centrist has arrived. quote

Bond_543 2 days ago#48 Marmitecashews posted... Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. Does that include the Santa Claus and Easter Bunny lies? yeah. why do you think parents always tell their kids to be good or else Santa wont come? Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

pnut027 2 days ago#49 Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. You sound like an edgy teenager with parent issues. Don't worry, you'll understand when you're older. You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years. quote

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   Bond_543 2 days ago#52 pnut027 posted... Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. You sound like an edgy teenager with parent issues. Don't worry, you'll understand when you're older. lying to kids doesnt make the world more easily understandable. it would have the opposite effect. your statement was ridiculous and ignorant. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

   Dagorha 2 days ago#53 Prejudice doesn't stop just because you close your eyes and plug your ears. Racism is a problem. That is why liberals still talk about it. It really is just that simple Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King,  Must die unheard in Dim Carcosa. (edited 2 days ago)quote

   pnut027 2 days ago#54 Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Bond_543 posted... pnut027 posted... Point is: we lie to our kids to make the world more easily understandable to them. no, people lie to their kids to control them, b/c they are incompetent, shitty, parents. You sound like an edgy teenager with parent issues. Don't worry, you'll understand when you're older. lying to kids doesnt make the world more easily understandable. it would have the opposite effect. your statement was ridiculous and ignorant. Hush baby. It'll be ok. You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years. quote

   SMEDIA 2 days ago#55 This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Old habits reappear/ fighting the fear of fear/ growing conspiracy/ everyone's after me/ frayed ends of sanity/ hear them calling/ hear them calling me quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#56 SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. Behold my beauty! quote

   pnut027 2 days ago#57 SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa is whatever race which decides to don the costume. You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years. quote

   LeftyGreenMario 2 days ago#58 The left wing is "obsessed" with race as much as the right wing is tbh. My view, a left-wing view, on the whole race thing is that racism is firmly entrenched given that our entire history of the human race is always fear and distrust of what's different or mistreating the minority. For African Americans, people were accustomed for generations that black people are inherently inferior because black people frequently occupied the lowest rung of the ladder and are given extremely little opportunities to advance (black breeding with white makes a black child, which is racist logic for ya). This also plays with unavoidable psychology of prejudice but mixed with a history of the far uglier manifestations of prejudice and generations of this, it shouldn't come as a surprise that racism is still here and victims of racism AND those aren't the victims are still feeling its legacy and effects even if they are good honest people. You give virtually identical job applications, but with different name changes to make one seem "white" and the other seem "black"? The "white" one has a likelier chance of being hired. Blacks being more likely to be convicted than whites for a similar crime? Again, people aren't going out of their way to be racist but their biases are tricky bastards and we all want them to go away, but they show their ugly faces in statistics. And I'm just using blacks as an example. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! quote

   Luminozero 2 days ago#59 I think a Jon Stewart quote is fitting here. "The people trying to receive equal treatment aren't being 'divisive', the people trying to keep them out are!" Democracy is a theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it, good and hard. -H.L. Mencken quote

   LewsTheDragon 2 days ago#60 This is why I maintain that 'identity politics' is an Orwellism. I don't think it means anything, beyond the basic moral truism that people should be treated like people. Forces working against such an obvious moral goal are indeed divisive and intolerant. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. quote

   SMEDIA 2 days ago#61 CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. Old habits reappear/ fighting the fear of fear/ growing conspiracy/ everyone's after me/ frayed ends of sanity/ hear them calling/ hear them calling me quote

   spiralofnine 2 days ago#62 People hire and vote for people like themselves because people are flawed.  Racism will always exist. We could have policies that focus on socioeconomics and those policies would disproportionately help minorities but those policies seem to gain zero traction so the left has had to resort to more divisive methods to get people's attention.  Markets really don't like racism so we're seeing people use it as a weapon now. That just raises further questions quote

   LeftyGreenMario 2 days ago#63 LewsTheDragon posted... This is why I maintain that 'identity politics' is an Orwellism. I don't think it means anything, beyond the basic moral truism that people should be treated like people. Forces working against such an obvious moral goal are indeed divisive and intolerant. I think it's important to mobilize the minority under a simple label though as more often than not, they probably face similar problems based mainly on their minority status. So I think identity politics are here to stay, though on the other hand, don't be overreliant on it either. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! quote

   LewsTheDragon 2 days ago#64 @LeftyGreenMario: I'm referring to that specific phrase and its current use in our political discourse. I think it's damaging, because it's empty and simplistic. I completely agree with the heart of your post. Popular activism is the single most important tool we as a society have available. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. (edited 2 days ago)quote

   EliteC 2 days ago#65 Are they? It's the right who pulls over black people for no reason. It's the right who shoots people over race. It's the right who then goes like "blue lives matter!" Over it. It's the right who goes like "build da wall!" It's the right who goes like "speak English this is murrica!" When they hear Spanish but then they try to speak German. It's the right who goes like "ur wearing a heebie-jeebie so imma go shoot ya!" It's the right who voted for cheeto It's the right who is trying to pass a racist immigration bill. But yeah, it's the left who is obsessed over race when they cry uncle over all that quote

   spiralofnine 2 days ago#66 LeftyGreenMario posted... I think it's important to mobilize the minority under a simple label though as more often than not, they probably face similar problems based mainly on their minority status. So I think identity politics are here to stay, though on the other hand, don't be overreliant on it either. Identity politics are here to stay if only because the main goal at the end of the day is to attract as many genius level people into American businesses as possible while just simply attracting as many consumers as possible.  The old American viewpoint of middle class is basically just white privilege and I think thats where you see the left/right split. The right believes that Capitalism naturally creates a middle class although now you are seeing lots of 'its better than the alternative' language now that people have lost faith in Wall St. That just raises further questions quote

   dermoratraken 2 days ago#67 LewsTheDragon posted... This is why I maintain that 'identity politics' is an Orwellism. I don't think it means anything, beyond the basic moral truism that people should be treated like people. Forces working against such an obvious moral goal are indeed divisive and intolerant. So your argument is "lol no you're the one that's divisive." This dismissive attitude is what caused trump in the first place. quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#68 SMEDIA posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. The bolded part doesn't make him any more real. Behold my beauty! quote

   LewsTheDragon 2 days ago#69 Why are you all so intent on destroying my childhood worldview? #SantaLives Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. quote

   LeftyGreenMario 2 days ago#70 For some reason, I was never taught that Santa existed. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! quote

   mad_hax_man 2 days ago#71 Kdermoratraken posted... LewsTheDragon posted... This is why I maintain that 'identity politics' is an Orwellism. I don't think it means anything, beyond the basic moral truism that people should be treated like people. Forces working against such an obvious moral goal are indeed divisive and intolerant. So your argument is "lol no you're the one that's divisive." This dismissive attitude is what caused trump in the first place. Lol. I stubbed my toe the other day. #thereasonTrumpwon "Hey bridesmaid, love the beard! Give's me something to hang onto!!"- Lord Flasheart (edited 2 days ago)quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#72 mad_hax_man posted... Kdermoratraken posted... LewsTheDragon posted... This is why I maintain that 'identity politics' is an Orwellism. I don't think it means anything, beyond the basic moral truism that people should be treated like people. Forces working against such an obvious moral goal are indeed divisive and intolerant. So your argument is "lol no you're the one that's divisive." This dismissive attitude is what caused trump in the first place. Lol. I stubbed my toe the other day. #thereasonTrumpwon My cat puked on the carpet. #thisiswhytrumpwon Behold my beauty! (edited 2 days ago)quote

   Pogo_Marimo 2 days ago#73 TheHonorableOne posted... All the left really has is "thats racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/transphobic/etc" "I say we make make life miserable for Mexican Nationals" - TheHonorableOne 2017 // BEAUTY IS NOT LOVE - LOVE IS NOT MUSIC - MUSIC IS THE BEST - WISDOM IS THE DOMAIN OF THE WIZ--WHICH IS EXTINCT // http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#74 Pogo_Marimo posted... TheHonorableOne posted... All the left really has is "thats racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/transphobic/etc" "I say we make make life miserable for Mexican Nationals" - TheHonorableOne 2017 Wait, TheWarnedOne is back already? Behold my beauty! (edited 2 days ago)quote

   LeftyGreenMario 2 days ago#75 TheHonorableOne is back #thisiswhytrumpwon person was quoting an old post in the thread so I don't know if HonorableOne is actually back or not. Doesn't seem like a pleasant character though. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! (edited 2 days ago)quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#76 LeftyGreenMario posted... TheHonorableOne is back #thisiswhytrumpwon person was quoting an old post in the thread so I don't know if HonorableOne is actually back or not. Doesn't seem like a pleasant character though. Okay just checked it he is still warned that was just an old comment. #thisiswhytrumpwon Behold my beauty! quote

   EliteC 2 days ago#77 CherryTsundere posted... Pogo_Marimo posted... @TheHonorableOne posted... All the left really has is "thats racist/sexist/xenophobic/homophobic/transphobic/etc" "I say we make make life miserable for Mexican Nationals" - TheHonorableOne 2017 Wait, TheWarnedOne is back already? Sweet! So maybe now TheHonoraryOne can explains us how this "honorary white" business works. Does he get an ID with that? Is a date with tila tequila part of the welcome package? quote

   LeftyGreenMario 2 days ago#78 Sadly, HonorableOne is still warned. #thisiswhytrumpwon If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! quote

   -Kicksave- 2 days ago#79 Liberal ideology can be reduced down to a simple belief: eliminate privilege (currently held by WASPs) If you think there's any other ideological construct that binds the highly disparate interests of blacks, gays, Muslims, you are lying to yourself. Identity politics is used to bind them against the privileged. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. Rico, YOU know what to DO! quote

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   LewsTheDragon 2 days ago#81 No one serious is arguing for the elimination of privilege. Serious, honest people are simply arguing that privilege should be shared. Indeed, human history is one conflict on these grounds followed by another. Feudalism, slavery, suffrage, you name it. All examples of populations asserting their place among the privileged. The correct answer, of course, is that everyone is privileged, and deserves to be treated like a person, like an end in themselves. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. Friedrich Nietzsche  I'm a polyatheist -- there are many gods I don't believe in. quote

   Jimayo 2 days ago#82 CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. The bolded part doesn't make him any more real. Way to ignore the actual fucking point of what he is saying. You are a shit fucking poster. 261 - More troll food than any other board on the net. What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAU quote

   young_flip 2 days ago#83 Jimayo posted... Way to ignore the actual f***ing point of what he is saying. You are a s*** f***ing poster. and how. playing: Breath of the Wild / Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon add me on steam: prejt2. "Oh my goodness. Freedom!" quote

   -Kicksave- 2 days ago#84 LewsTheDragon posted... No one serious is arguing for the elimination of privilege. Serious, honest people are simply arguing that privilege should be shared. The definition of privilege is: a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people. If privilege is shared, by definition, it is eliminated. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. Rico, YOU know what to DO! quote

   CherryTsundere 2 days ago#85 Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. The bolded part doesn't make him any more real. Way to ignore the actual fucking point of what he is saying. You are a shit fucking poster. What point? Literally who cares about which people dress up as Santa? Besides some idiotic fringe group of right wingers? Where I live we have women dress up as Nikolaus (basically a middle european Santa who comes earlier and is connected to christianity) and no on gives a fuck. Behold my beauty! (edited 2 days ago)quote

   DnDer 2 days ago#86 TheHonorableOne posted... Left: Racism exists and affects everything. Right: Prove it. Left: Trust me, it just does. These are examples of institutional racism at work. It's just a couple link. I'm sure others have plenty more they could share if you really wanted. What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 quote

   Minotaur92 2 days ago#87 Votes. They don't really care about minorities, they just want votes. quote

   Bond_543 2 days ago#88 Luminozero posted... I think a Jon Stewart quote is fitting here. "The people trying to receive equal treatment aren't being 'divisive', the people trying to keep them out are!" the state is divisive by its nature. you are being divisive if you use the state to enforce it. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

   Jimayo 1 day ago#89 CherryTsundere posted... Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. The bolded part doesn't make him any more real. Way to ignore the actual fucking point of what he is saying. You are a shit fucking poster. What point? Literally who cares about which people dress up as Santa? Besides some idiotic fringe group of right wingers? Where I live we have women dress up as Nikolaus (basically a middle european Santa who comes earlier and is connected to christianity) and no on gives a fuck. That's nice. He's clearly talking about america where that shit happens on a regular basis. 261 - More troll food than any other board on the net. What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAU quote

   TaiIs82 1 day ago#90 The left divides along class and gender lines too, and it's all to start fights and divide the American people. The DC establishment wants to undermine this country and keep us down. Hero/Legend of 261. Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196- The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009 quote

   CherryTsundere 1 day ago#91 Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... CherryTsundere posted... SMEDIA posted... This might be seen as off topic, but which race of people get more furious when a man dressed up as Santa isn't white? Do children prefer a white Santa? What do blacks say about this? Santa isn't real. See bolded section. The bolded part doesn't make him any more real. Way to ignore the actual fucking point of what he is saying. You are a shit fucking poster. What point? Literally who cares about which people dress up as Santa? Besides some idiotic fringe group of right wingers? Where I live we have women dress up as Nikolaus (basically a middle european Santa who comes earlier and is connected to christianity) and no on gives a fuck. That's nice. He's clearly talking about america where that shit happens on a regular basis. Really? I only found one incident with Santa and that was the Megyn Kelly incident.  But I'm willing to learn more. Behold my beauty! quote

   LeftyGreenMario 1 day ago#92 TaiIs82 posted... The left divides along class and gender lines too, and it's all to start fights and divide the American people. The DC establishment wants to undermine this country and keep us down. You act like it's the left that's at fault here. The right isn't making it better by introducing shit like bathroom bills and voter ID laws. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! quote

   Bond_543 1 day ago#93 LeftyGreenMario posted... TaiIs82 posted... The left divides along class and gender lines too, and it's all to start fights and divide the American people. The DC establishment wants to undermine this country and keep us down. You act like it's the left that's at fault here. The right isn't making it better by introducing shit like bathroom bills and voter ID laws. all of which is a reaction to your phony "leftist" social justice movements. Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes. Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg quote

   Mr_GGFan 1 day ago#94 The_Undying_84 posted... You have the cause and effect backwards. The right is racist, so the left counteracts them. We would be "color blind" if there weren't racists out there that need to be cancelled out.  The idea that institutional racism is anywhere close to over is utterly absurd. lol "nuh uh, the right is racist, not us." "no the left is racist." American politics. The eternal voice of reason "Around the World on the Internet" - my second memoir is in the works quote

   Jimayo 1 day ago#95 CherryTsundere posted... Really? I only found one incident with Santa and that was the Megyn Kelly incident.  But I'm willing to learn more. The comments concerning black Santa on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune website got so bad that they shut down their comment section for the article. http://thegrio.com/2016/12/04/santa-is-white-black-santa-sparks-outrage/ 261 - More troll food than any other board on the net. What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAU quote

   Ronster87 1 day ago#96 DnDer posted... TheHonorableOne posted... Left: Racism exists and affects everything. Right: Prove it. Left: Trust me, it just does. These are examples of institutional racism at work. It's just a couple link. I'm sure others have plenty more they could share if you really wanted. So if I put up examples of muslim extremists killing people, does that make it ok to say that muslims are evil? Just sayin' quote

   pnut027 1 day ago#97 Bond_543 posted... Luminozero posted... I think a Jon Stewart quote is fitting here. "The people trying to receive equal treatment aren't being 'divisive', the people trying to keep them out are!" the state is divisive by its nature. you are being divisive if you use the state to enforce it. Saying that something isn't divisive is divisive in itself. You guys hate SJWs? Blame your favorite developers for pandering to white men for the past 30 years. quote

   CherryTsundere 1 day ago#98 Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... Really? I only found one incident with Santa and that was the Megyn Kelly incident.  But I'm willing to learn more. The comments concerning black Santa on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune website got so bad that they shut down their comment section for the article. http://thegrio.com/2016/12/04/santa-is-white-black-santa-sparks-outrage/ Holy shit wtf? Behold my beauty! quote

   atmasabr 1 day ago#99 When you're a kid, you're taught that the color of your skin doesn't matter. Yet pretty much every argument from the left on civil issues comes down to race. We have a winner. Do your own research! quote

   Mirage13 1 day ago#100 Well the democrats were the party that instituted and fought for slavery in the 1700 to 1800s. So they are only projecting their guilt of it as a party by trying to remove that shame by "fighting racial causes" so it can exonerate their party of their past sins. Too bad those of us who are intelligent are smart to know that their party is still centered around race. (edited 1 day ago)quote

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      Jimayo 1 day ago#101 CherryTsundere posted... Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... Really? I only found one incident with Santa and that was the Megyn Kelly incident.  But I'm willing to learn more. The comments concerning black Santa on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune website got so bad that they shut down their comment section for the article. http://thegrio.com/2016/12/04/santa-is-white-black-santa-sparks-outrage/ Holy shit wtf? Racism is a big problem in america. 261 - More troll food than any other board on the net. What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAU quote

      LeftyGreenMario 1 day ago#102 Bond_543 posted... all of which is a reaction to your phony "leftist" social justice movements. how are they phony, exactly? So what you're saying, bathroom bills and voter ID are honest efforts to create discrimination because the left wants to.... minimize.... discrimination so therefore the left is obsessed about race??? yes I know bathroom isn't about race, but it's on the same page. Voter ID disproportionately targets minorities so yeah Mirage13 posted... Well the democrats were the party that instituted and fought for slavery in the 1700 to 1800s. So they are only projecting their guilt of it as a party by trying to remove that shame by "fighting racial causes" so it can exonerate their party of their past sins. Too bad those of us who are intelligent are smart to know that their party is still centered around race. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Many of these southern Democrats transferred to the Republican Party. The Democratic Party otherwise has shed it, but to assume Democrats were the same group of people as they are today and cling on to their racist history secretly is not correct. If there is a game Mario is playable in, I main him. R.I.P. King Koopa. REMEMBER, OOGTAR IS RAT GOO SPELLED BACKWARD! (edited 1 day ago)quote

      DnDer 1 day ago#103 Mirage13 posted... Well the democrats were the party that instituted and fought for slavery in the 1700 to 1800s. So they are only projecting their guilt of it as a party by trying to remove that shame by "fighting racial causes" so it can exonerate their party of their past sins. Too bad those of us who are intelligent are smart to know that their party is still centered around race. Well, that's pretty much the dumbest thing I've heard today. What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 quote

      DeadCellReborn 1 day ago#104 They aren't. The entire american conservative ideology is built around having one race (white) superior to the others.  There's another white supremacist rally being held in Charlottesville, VA next Sunday. It's a regular event now. XBL - Powder Kegs Date interracial! #DownWithTheSwirl quote

      RyanBraun8 1 day ago#105 Probably because of racism Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" Trump quote

      The_Undying_84 1 day ago#106 Jimayo posted... CherryTsundere posted... Really? I only found one incident with Santa and that was the Megyn Kelly incident.  But I'm willing to learn more. The comments concerning black Santa on the Minneapolis Star-Tribune website got so bad that they shut down their comment section for the article. http://thegrio.com/2016/12/04/santa-is-white-black-santa-sparks-outrage/ I noticed one of those comments is from a person named Laquisha who has no profile picture, I bet that's some white dude who made up a stereotypical black name so he could try to pretend "I can say this because I'm black." PSN: TheUndying84 quote

      Red XlV 1 day ago#107 Funkx posted... Yes, there was institutional racism, but that was essentially a generation ago now. Just because you want to believe institutional racism vanished a generation ago doesn't make it so. The left continues to fight against racism because racism is still a massive problem. A bad enough dude to save the President. "We chose more government instead of more freedom." - Marco Rubio (R-Florida) on the Bush administration quote

      TaiIs82 19 hours ago#108 Voter ID is actually a great example of the left's projection. It has nothing to do with race but they insist that it does. Hero/Legend of 261. Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196- The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009 quote

      TheHonorableOne 19 hours ago#109 TaiIs82 posted... Voter ID is actually a great example of the left's projection. It has nothing to do with race but they insist that it does. Most everything the far left complains about is projection. Racism, sexism, etc.  Normal Dems in the midwest don't do this nonsense; this is NYC/LA nonsense. MAGA. (edited 19 hours ago)quote

      Red XlV 15 hours ago#110 TaiIs82 posted... Voter ID is actually a great example of the left's projection. It has nothing to do with race but they insist that it does. There have even been Republican lawmakers who admitted that the goal is to reduce the number of black voters, because most blacks are Democrats. And even without such a direct admission, the racial targeting involved is fucking obvious by the fact that whenever a Republican state legislature enacts a voter ID law, they always accompany it with shit like closing down the DMV locations in black-majority areas so that it'll be harder for them to get the ID. And limiting or abolishing early voting, since black voters disproportionately favor it. A bad enough dude to save the President. "We chose more government instead of more freedom." - Marco Rubio (R-Florida) on the Bush administration quote

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