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Arcvalons 1 day ago#1


What a time to be alive!
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BootyGif 1 day ago#2
Fair next
Let them go. They're just statues that can be uprooted and relocated fairy easily.
Make the final stand at Stone Mountain. That's where we prove once and for all that the SJW movement is essentially the Taliban.
Arcvalons 1 day ago#4
BootyGif posted...
Fair next


Baltimore:
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BLAKUboy 1 day ago#5
Good.
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Sativa_Rose 1 day ago#6
I heard a chick got arrested for this, guessing it was her pulling that rope.
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muchdran 1 day ago#7
You know who else tried to erase history?
ThyCorndog 1 day ago#8
Questionmarktarius posted...
Let them go. They're just statues that can be uprooted and relocated fairy easily.
Make the final stand at Stone Mountain. That's where we prove once and for all that the SJW movement is essentially the Taliban.

http://wsav.com/2017/08/16/georgia-gov-candidate-calls-for-removal-of-carving-on-stone-mountain/
If you want to preserve history, put the statues in a museum, they're just weathering being outside.
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Arcvalons 1 day ago#10
muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?


Americans during de-nazification
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ThyCorndog posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Let them go. They're just statues that can be uprooted and relocated fairy easily.
Make the final stand at Stone Mountain. That's where we prove once and for all that the SJW movement is essentially the Taliban.

http://wsav.com/2017/08/16/georgia-gov-candidate-calls-for-removal-of-carving-on-stone-mountain/


Saw that coming.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
Oh wait, you can't - someone blew them up, in the name of being "offensive".
BLAKUboy 1 day ago#12
muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?

The monuments themselves were attempts to erase history. They do not deserve to be remembered.
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OctilIery 1 day ago#13
muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?

This isn't erasing history.
HypnoCoosh 1 day ago#14
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
If you want to preserve history, put the statues in a museum, they're just weathering being outside.


This seems reasonable.

No sense destroying history that's just ignorant. Put it in a museum for heavens sake don't try to erase history wtf is wrong with people.
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Schwarber 1 day ago#15
Arcvalons 1 day ago#16
BTW the glorious Lenin statue in Seattle is still standing. Let's replace all these Confederate statues with Lenins for maximum snowflake tears.
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muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?


Museums are for history, public spaces are for celebrate notable people. The general of the losing side of the war to keep slavery is not worth celebrating.
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If they won't move them, people are going to take matters into their own hands.
Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>
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The Top Crusader posted...
Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>


No. :v Because Martin Luther King doesn't have statues because he was against gay marriage. These confederates literally have statues because they fought in the name of slavery.
1234Life 1 day ago#21
muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?


Rednecks that refuse to believe that the Confederate flag is a racist, democratic, treasonous symbol?
I don't see how people are so offended by a piece of rock... Who cares? Did the person that the statue is representing personally do something to you? No. Hell, the American flag was flown on ships bringing slaves to America. Should be tear down every flag? I think people get "offended" by anything today and that it's ridiculous. Yes, racism is out there. Yes, horrible things happened in the past. Instead of channeling that anger into doing something that does nothing to help anyone, why not put that energy into bringing about positive change today for the millions of humans out there who have real problems (like lack of food, clean water, education)?
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Look at these anti-history savages bring down HISTORY.



f***ing U.S. soldiers, how dare they, you can't change the past!
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

These things shouldn't be out in public but destroying them isn't right either. They should be moved to a mueseam.
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The Top Crusader posted...
Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage


There is no public nor private record of MLK Jr condemning gay marriage. Not even on his phone when he was wiretapped. The only time he said anything about it was in an advice column he wrote for Ebony magazine, when he told a young boy (who feared he may be homosexual) that the situation wasn't uncommon but that it required careful attention.
Questionmarktarius posted...
Let them go. They're just statues that can be uprooted and relocated fairy easily.
Make the final stand at Stone Mountain. That's where we prove once and for all that the SJW movement is essentially the Taliban.

muchdran posted...
You know who else tried to erase history?

f*** off with this bulls***. what history is being erased? not the history of the United States of America, that's for f***ing sure. the history of the failed rebellion by racist pieces of s*** that literally wanted to have nothing to do with the USA so they could own other human beings, maybe. but even that's not being erased. f*** off with your Taliban and Nazi comparisons. there are no f***ing book burnings going on here. you can still go to your local library and read all you want about about the Civil War and the CSA. or hell, on the f***ing internet right at your fingertips. preserving history doesn't necessitate or require having these statues glorifying racist s***bags still up all over everywhere, in public places where people who aren't racist s***bags have to look at them and be reminded that a large portion of this country actually went to war because of how much of f***ing racist s***bags they were.
YourDrunkFather posted...
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

These things shouldn't be out in public but destroying them isn't right either. They should be moved to a mueseam.


When people refuse to move them, this is what happens. :v So the south should get busy moving them if they don't want them broken I guess.
OpheliaAdenade posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

These things shouldn't be out in public but destroying them isn't right either. They should be moved to a mueseam.


When people refuse to move them, this is what happens. :v So the south should get busy moving them if they don't want them broken I guess.

There you go. Sell them to old racists, who believe that a brass likeness of someone who has been dead for 150 years somehow preserves southern heritage - or to social-justice-types, who would then be perfectly free to destroy their own property in as publicly-conspicuous a means as desired.
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I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues staying up that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"
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Antifar 1 day ago#33
ZombiePelican posted...
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"

Why do you think they went up?
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ZombiePelican posted...
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"

i love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues still being up and still being glorified by racist s***bags that isn't solely "MUH RACIST s***BAG HISTORY"
Questionmarktarius posted...
There you go. Sell them to old racists, who believe that a brass likeness of someone who has been dead for 150 years somehow preserves southern heritage - or to social-justice-types, who would then be perfectly free to destroy their own property in as publicly-conspicuous a means as desired.


why not put them in a civil war museum?
Antifar posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"

Why do you think they went up?

Some rich bastard "donated" it, usually.
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Antifar posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"

Why do you think they went up?


To constantly remind black people of their place in this country. To reiterate a previous post in another topic, the statues were all erected in bad faith. There's literally hundreds of them, statues aren't history, the people are.
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Antifar posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
I love how nobody can give a good reason for these statues coming down that isn't soley "MUH FEELINGS"

Why do you think they went up?

To honor our heroes, why esle?

Men like Robert E. Lee helped protect my home from being completely destroyed by monsters like Sherman and Grant
ZombiePelican posted...
To honor our heroes, why esle?Men like Robert E. Lee helped protect my home from being completely destroyed by monsters like Sherman and Grant


The only reason your home was being attacked to begin with was because the south wanted to leave the United States so they could continue to legally own people. :u That's not heroism in any sense of the word.
Darkman124 1 day ago#40
ZombiePelican posted...

To honor our heroes, why esle?

Men like Robert E. Lee helped protect my home from being completely destroyed by monsters like Sherman and Grant


be less obvious
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Arcvalons 1 day ago#42
DuranOfForcena posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
To honor our heroes

so you're a racist s***bag then? only a racist s***bag would call someone who literally fought a war so that they could keep owning other human beings a hero.


To be fair, that's exactly why the Texans seceded from Mexico but everyone considers them heroes.
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Sad_Face 1 day ago#43
Questionmarktarius posted...
Meanwhile, in Germany:


Did you make that video?
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iPhone_7 1 day ago#44
Fair Next. Most of these monuments were made in the 50's & 60's in spiteful protest of the Civil Rights Movement. Not only are they Confederate monuments, they are symbolic middle fingers to equal rights for black people.
the civil war wasn't about slavery
I don't think so, Tim.
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Arcvalons 1 day ago#46
Philoktetes posted...
the civil war wasn't about slavery


look at this guy
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Twin3Turbo 1 day ago#47
"Collin Kapernick is a TRAITOR to this country!"

*Idolize and side with literal traitors from 150 years ago
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BootyGif 1 day ago#48
Philoktetes posted...
the civil war wasn't about slavery

Dumbest post ever
Chad-Henne 1 day ago#49
Philoktetes posted...
the civil war wasn't about slavery


Philoktetes posted...
I don't think so, Tim.
Antifar 1 day ago#50
If I was a southerner, I would take offense to the idea that my history and heritage were encapsulated in the five years of a failed breakaway country established on slavery.
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    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    That's not heroism in any sense of the word.

    Sure it is, Sherman and Grant's tyrannical march through the South can still be felt today. Men like Lee saved my home from the fate caused by those Yankee monsters who you only give support to because you're brainwashed by the corrupt biased media
    ZMythos 1 day ago#52
    The Top Crusader posted...
    Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>

    Are you this f***ing dense or do you just like to repost s*** from the_donald or whatever low effort Facebook pages you follow
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    Chad-Henne 1 day ago#53
    ZombiePelican posted...
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    That's not heroism in any sense of the word.

    Sure it is, Sherman and Grant's tyrannical march through the South can still be felt today. Men like Lee saved my home from the fate caused by those Yankee monsters who you only give support to because you're brainwashed by the corrupt biased media


    Lmao
    Antifar 1 day ago#54
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Sherman and Grant's tyrannical march through the South can still be felt today.

    So can slavery. Southern history isn't just white southern history.
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    ZMythos posted...
    The Top Crusader posted...
    Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>

    Are you this f***ing dense or do you just like to repost s*** from the_donald or whatever low effort Facebook pages you follow

    ITP:Facts that poke holes in my narrative are fake news
    ZMythos 1 day ago#56
    ZombiePelican posted...
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    That's not heroism in any sense of the word.

    Sure it is, Sherman and Grant's tyrannical march through the South can still be felt today. Men like Lee saved my home from the fate caused by those Yankee monsters who you only give support to because you're brainwashed by the corrupt biased media

    So you think you're being oppressed because your slave owning ancestors were on the losing side of a war?
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    muchdran posted...
    You know who else tried to erase history?

    Every regime ever?
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    Antifar posted...
    If I was a southerner, I would take offense to the idea that my history and heritage were encapsulated in the five years of a failed breakaway country established on slavery.

    if that was the case, it seems like you should want the statues taken down too, to sever the bad association that the statues represent from the rest of your southern history and heritage.
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    ZMythos 1 day ago#59
    ZombiePelican posted...
    ZMythos posted...
    The Top Crusader posted...
    Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>

    Are you this f***ing dense or do you just like to repost s*** from the_donald or whatever low effort Facebook pages you follow

    ITP:Facts that poke holes in my narrative are fake news

    I Don't recall white supremacists committing acts of terror and murder because Dr. King once said he opposed gay marriage

    Don't remember him worshiping flags of treason and oppression either

    While your head is up your ass, give yourself a diagnosis on how butthurt you are
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    ZombiePelican posted...
    ZMythos posted...
    The Top Crusader posted...
    Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>

    Are you this f***ing dense or do you just like to repost s*** from the_donald or whatever low effort Facebook pages you follow

    ITP:Facts that poke holes in my narrative are fake news


    As was already stated, "MLK Jr was against gay marriage" is not a fact.
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    eston 1 day ago#62
    See I didn't realize our sole method of learning history in the USA was by looking at statues. My schools always relied on books. I should go tell them they were doing it wrong
    Antifar posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Sherman and Grant's tyrannical march through the South can still be felt today.

    So can slavery. Southern history isn't just white southern history.

    It had nothing to do with slavery, even then The North attacked first, there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war of Northern Agression
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    ZombiePelican posted...
    It had nothing to do with slavery, even then The North attacked first, there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war of Northern Agression

    lmao
    Go back to trolling about Nintendo, ZP. At least that's funny.
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war or Northern Agression


    From Wikipedia:

    The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union side as the belligerent party in the war.[22] Though sometimes used only jokingly today,[23] the name arose in the 1950s during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th century efforts to abolish slavery.

    So, more lies from you.
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis
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    Antifar 1 day ago#68
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war of Northern Agression

    But this is not true. 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_American_Civil_Wa

    In several European languages, the war is called "War of Secession". In most East Asian languages, the war is called "Battle between North and South side of the United States" or more commonly as "American (US) North–South War", depending on the individual language.
    ...
    English-speaking historians[9][10][11] outside the United States usually refer to the conflict as the "American Civil War". These variations are also used in the United States in cases in which the war might otherwise be confused with another historical event (such as the English Civil War, the Irish Civil War or the Spanish Civil War).
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    That_Happened posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war or Northern Agression


    From Wikipedia:

    The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union side as the belligerent party in the war.[22] Though sometimes used only jokingly today,[23] the name arose in the 1950s during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th century efforts to abolish slavery.

    So, more lies from you.

    I would guess he was mistaken, not lying. Why are you saying he is lying?
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    That_Happened posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war or Northern Agression


    From Wikipedia:

    The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union side as the belligerent party in the war.[22] Though sometimes used only jokingly today,[23] the name arose in the 1950s during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th century efforts to abolish slavery.

    So, more lies from you.

    Unironcially using Wikipedia as a source who have an entire council designed to ensure their articles have a regressive left skew to them.

    Ok pal, whatever you say
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    Yeah zombie is southern so it's more likely he never received an education.
    BootyGif 1 day ago#72
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee amd Jefferson Davis

    Ok now I know you're just s***posting
    Darkman124 1 day ago#73
    BootyGif posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee amd Jefferson Davis

    Ok now I know you're just s***posting


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    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    Yeah zombie is southern so it's more likely he never received an education.

    I don't need no fancy book learnin from no dang Yankees
    LordRazziel posted...
    I would guess he was mistaken, not lying. Why are you saying he is lying?

    Track record. Further up on this page he was spreading lies about MLK Jr, and other users recognize him as a troll. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt though, I won't stop you.
    ZombiePelican posted...
    That_Happened posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war or Northern Agression


    From Wikipedia:

    The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union side as the belligerent party in the war.[22] Though sometimes used only jokingly today,[23] the name arose in the 1950s during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th century efforts to abolish slavery.

    So, more lies from you.

    Unironcially using Wikipedia as a source who have an entire council designed to ensure their articles have a regressive left skew to them.

    Ok pal, whatever you say

    This is ridiculous, too.

    I need a break from CE. People just want to be right. Nothing more. Too frustrating.
    Later.
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    LordRazziel posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    That_Happened posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    there's a reason why everywhere on Earth other than the North it's called the war or Northern Agression


    From Wikipedia:

    The name "War of Northern Aggression" has been used to indicate the Union side as the belligerent party in the war.[22] Though sometimes used only jokingly today,[23] the name arose in the 1950s during the Jim Crow era, when it was coined by segregationists who tried to equate contemporary efforts to end segregation with 19th century efforts to abolish slavery.

    So, more lies from you.

    Unironcially using Wikipedia as a source who have an entire council designed to ensure their articles have a regressive left skew to them.

    Ok pal, whatever you say

    This is ridiculous, too.

    I need a break from CE. People just want to be right. Nothing more. Too frustrating.
    Later.

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    ZombiePelican posted...
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis


    So you support the Confederacy?
    That_Happened posted...
    LordRazziel posted...
    I would guess he was mistaken, not lying. Why are you saying he is lying?

    Track record. Further up on this page he was spreading lies about MLK Jr, and other users recognize him as a troll. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt though, I won't stop you.

    The only people who call me a troll just don't like that I'm always right or that I refuse to pull punches or budge on any of my stances EVER
    C7D 1 day ago#80
    That_Happened posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    ZMythos posted...
    The Top Crusader posted...
    Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>

    Are you this f***ing dense or do you just like to repost s*** from the_donald or whatever low effort Facebook pages you follow

    ITP:Facts that poke holes in my narrative are fake news


    As was already stated, "MLK Jr was against gay marriage" is not a fact.


    He was a Baptist Minister. One cannot simultaneously prescribe to the Baptist Faith and be in favor of gay marriage.
    C7D posted...
    He was a Baptist Minister. One cannot simultaneously prescribe to the Baptist Faith and be in favor of gay marriage.


    People are allowed to have their own interpretations of scripture.
    C7D posted...
    He was a Baptist Minister. One cannot simultaneously prescribe to the Baptist Faith and be in favor of gay marriage.


    I think the point is he never explicitly said anything regarding it.

    Was he against gay marriage? Likely, given he was religious and it was the 60's, but he never spoke about it in any detail.
    C7D 1 day ago#84
    OpheliaAdenade posted...
    C7D posted...
    He was a Baptist Minister. One cannot simultaneously prescribe to the Baptist Faith and be in favor of gay marriage.


    People are allowed to have their own interpretations of scripture.


    Romans 1:26-28 is pretty clear...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis


    So you support the Confederacy?

    Of course, they stood for freedom and independence from Northern oppression, why wouldn't you?
    Antifar 1 day ago#86
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Of course, they stood for freedom and independence from Northern oppression, why wouldn't you?

    Because "northern oppression" was a much smaller issue than the oppression felt by those who were slaves.
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    1234Life 1 day ago#88
    ZombiePelican posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Broseph_Stalin posted...
    lmao

    The only accounts of the civil war being about Slavery are from history books written by Yankees to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis


    So you support the Confederacy?

    Of course, they stood for freedom and independence from Northern oppression, why wouldn't you?


    They literally committed treason because they didn't want to lose their human livestock.
    Antifar posted...
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Of course, they stood for freedom and independence from Northern oppression, why wouldn't you?

    Because "northern oppression" was a much smaller issue than the oppression felt by those who were slaves.

    When will this myth finally die? Only in Northern propaganda was the civil war ever about slavery. Southerners were tired of being opressed by Yankee pencil pushers who kept trying to bleed us dry to we succeeded and they didn't like that so they attacked. Again, there's a reason why it's known as the war or Northern aggression
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    Know who also thought we shouldn't erect statues of the Confederacy? 

    Robert E Lee

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments/

    “I think it wiser,” the retired military leader wrote about a proposed Gettysburg memorial in 1869, “…not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.”
    f*** 'em. They shouldnt have been built in the first place. In fact, the government shouldnt build any statues of anything or anyone. Why take taxpayer money just to waste it building a f***ing statue of a dead guy?
    Antifar 1 day ago#92
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Only in Northern propaganda was the civil war ever about slavery.

    http://www.civil-war.net/pages/mississippi_declaration.asp
    A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union

    In the momentous step, which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


    http://civilwarcauses.org/corner.htm
    But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

    Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
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    Gheb 1 day ago#93
    I think that Confederate statues with historic significance belong in a museum. Keep in mind that doesn't mean any statue of a confederate, of which many were put up to spite the Civil Rights movements, but ones that have a history surrounding it or legitimate artistic importance.

    That's where Stone Mountain gets tricky. It's objectively a tribute to Confederacy, but it also carries with it historical significance and is if nothing else artistically impressive. So I don't know what the right answer is.
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    ZombiePelican posted...
    When will this myth finally die? Only in Northern propaganda was the civil war ever about slavery. Southerners were tired of being opressed by Yankee pencil pushers who kept trying to bleed us dry to we succeeded and they didn't like that so they attacked. Again, there's a reason why it's known as the war or Northern aggression


    I rolled my eyes so hard at this that they almost fell out of my head.

    Whatever, stay ignorant dude, historians and the facts are correct and you are wrong.
    Gheb posted...
    That's where Stone Mountain gets tricky. It's objectively a tribute to Confederacy, but it also carries with it historical significance and is if nothing else artistically impressive. So I don't know what the right answer is.

    Call it "art" and move on, without any obligation whatsoever to point lighting at it.
    1234Life 1 day ago#96
    Confederacy defenders are a lot like Marvel/DC comic writers. The more time passes, the more they try to retcon past events.
    HBOSS 1 day ago#97
    Im indifferent about this but wow... the activists are taking it to the next level and we should all be concerned. These guys arent heroes. Theyre as much as their counterparts are. These guys are using the excuse of hate to commit their own crimes.

    These activists are going too far and using the mob to destroy property. It stood there for decades as a monumental and part of the community. Sure they might of not liked it but the statue didnt mean it stood up for inequality. It also meant a recognition of the past, a moment to reflect on life back then, and a how we can make it better for all citizens. It represented growth to rise above hate and how far we as society have gone. To me, forgetting the past like that makes us even more susceptible to repeat it. Guess whats happening... civil unrest. Racial tension. Its out there in the open no longer present in closed doors. Its here and in your face.

    What happens when theres nothing left to destroy and take down. Guess what... the symbol the represent some people live on then these activists will stomp out the hate and bigotry with their own hate and bigotry towards it.

    Dont you see. People respond to this kind of thing because they took something that wasnt theirs. Its inevitable we are going to see more of everything now. Social media made everything transparent and the mob mentality is affecting us all.
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    The Great Muta 22 posted...

    Whatever, stay ignorant dude, historians and the facts are correct and you are wrong.

    Yankee historians who intentionally wrote books full of lies and half truths to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis. You are a victim in all this just as much as any true southerner with these monuments being destroyed, brainwashed by the corrupt and biased media, one day I hope you open your eyes and see the truth
    Antifar 1 day ago#99
    ZombiePelican posted...
    Yankee historians who intentionally wrote books full of lies and half truths to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis.

    Yankee historians did not make the VP of the Confederacy claim that slavery was the cornerstone of Confederate society
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      Antifar posted...
      ZombiePelican posted...
      Yankee historians who intentionally wrote books full of lies and half truths to slander the good names of heroes like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis.

      Yankee historians did not make the VP of the Confederacy claim that slavery was the cornerstone of Confederate society

      He never claimed such a thing, only such things were lies made up by spiteful Yankee historians. Open your eyes man the media has you so brainwashed you can't form independent thoughts anymore
      Antifar 1 day ago#103
      ZombiePelican posted...
      He never claimed such a thing, only such things were lies made up by spiteful Yankee historians.

      http://civilwarcauses.org/corner.htm
      Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
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      1234Life 1 day ago#104
      ZombiePelican's family BBQ:

      Nomadic View  tear this gooby up1 day ago#105
      Anteaterking posted...
      I hate to live in a world where once a statue is put up it can never be taken down.


      Local governments should vote on it. An angry mob shouldn't be the deciders of what statues stay and which ones go. Get rid of it through the proper avenues.
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      TheBiggerWiggle posted...
      You know who else tears down statues? 

      ISIS

      They also walk, talk, and take s***s. Whats your point?
      1234Life posted...
      ZombiePelican's family BBQ:


      That remake is an insult to HGL's legacy, just sayin
      TheBiggerWiggle posted...
      You know who else tears down statues? 

      ISIS


      You know who else consumed Oxygen to keep living?

      Hitler
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      Put the Confederate statues in a museum if you wanna keep em. Otherwise, f*** em, tear down every monument to white supremacists.
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      Nomadic View posted...
      Anteaterking posted...
      I hate to live in a world where once a statue is put up it can never be taken down.


      Local governments should vote on it. An angry mob shouldn't be the deciders of what statues stay and which ones go. Get rid of it through the proper avenues.


      Republicans block the efforts though. :v People have wanted them to be moved and their local governments wouldn't listen. So what other option is left. Surely you "second amendment folks" understand my meaning.
      Glad these people tearing down the statues are being charged with felonies. You don't get to destroy public property just because it hurts your feelings. If you want to see them removed, you go through a process civilly to do it rather than acting like a f***ing violent animal.
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      ZombiePelican posted...
      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      lmao
      ZombiePelican posted...
      Antifar posted...

      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      Lol, run out of troll responses I see?
      Antifar 1 day ago#115
      ZombiePelican posted...
      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      A speech given by the vice president of the confederacy is not northern propaganda.
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      The Admiral posted...
      Glad these people tearing down the statues are being charged with felonies. You don't get to destroy public property just because it hurts your feelings.


      Exactly. If you would like to bring down these statues, then do it legally. These decisions require a majority vote by some sort of council or group of people.
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      BLAKUboy 1 day ago#117
      Stop responding to Zombie.
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      Twin3Turbo posted...
      ZombiePelican posted...
      Antifar posted...

      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      Lol, run out of troll responses I see?

      Troll repsonses? Get out of here with that s***, come back when you can form a thought CNN didn't put there first
      Gheb 1 day ago#119
      Antifar posted...
      ZombiePelican posted...
      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      A speech given by the vice president of the confederacy is not northern propaganda.

      But don't you get it, he didn't say it. It was all lies made up by the Yankee oppressors to indoctrinate the youth toward their evil ways. The South didn't even have slaves. Just Yankee lies.
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      I don't know if "hurt feelings" is a great way to insult "liberals" right now, considering how hurt white supremacist feelings are.
      Twin3Turbo posted...
      TheBiggerWiggle posted...
      You know who else tears down statues? 

      ISIS

      They also walk, talk, and take s***s. Whats your point?


      I'm just not a fan of savages destroying property. We're in America, not Iraq. There are proper channels to go through.

      For the record I'm not fans of the statues either.
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      Caution999 posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      Glad these people tearing down the statues are being charged with felonies. You don't get to destroy public property just because it hurts your feelings.


      Exactly. If you would like to bring down these statues, then do it legally. These decisions require a majority vote by some sort of council or group of people.


      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them. The civil war was over and done with ages ago. Time for people to face what those statues actually represent. 

      If the people take it into their own hands to get rid of them, so be it. It isn't ideal, but it is certainly better than letting them stand.
      Nomadic View posted...
      Anteaterking posted...
      I hate to live in a world where once a statue is put up it can never be taken down.


      Local governments should vote on it. An angry mob shouldn't be the deciders of what statues stay and which ones go. Get rid of it through the proper avenues.


      The Unite the Right rally was entirely in response to a local government voting to take down a statue.
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.
      - The Admiral
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      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      If the people take it into their own hands to get rid of them, so be it. It isn't ideal, but it is certainly better than letting them stand.

      Once again, the new left is indistinguishable from the old right.
      The Admiral posted...
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.


      For someone who talks about feelings so much, you seem incredibly butthurt about these statues coming down in this topic lol
      Also, since when is taking down statues "acting like animals"? 

      I don't get it
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      The Admiral posted...
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.

      Didn't feelings block the removal of this statue that the white supremacists were crying about?
      DevsBro 1 day ago#129
      The Admiral posted...
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.


      Lots of people have winded up in jail for doing good things. :v They must have just come to the conclusion that taking down the statues is worth the prison time/fine/whatever. 

      I mean, people have done crazy stuff like chaining themselves to trees for what they believe in. This isn't that different.
      hockeybub89 posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.

      Didn't feelings block the removal of this statue that the white supremacists were crying about?


      No. They actually behaved civilly and got permits to protest the removal before it was scheduled to happen. Their behavior is more civilized than these animals destroying property.
      - The Admiral
      Again, how does destroying a confederate statue make someone an animal? 

      I'm confused

      Do you believe that making a bonfire makes someone an animal as well?

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      Antifar posted...
      ZombiePelican posted...
      f*** off with your Northern propaganda

      A speech given by the vice president of the confederacy is not northern propaganda.

      Were you there to see it?
      The Admiral posted...
      No. They actually behaved civilly and got permits to protest the removal before it was scheduled to happen. Their behavior is more civilized than these animals destroying property.


      they actually got someone killed though... ummmm
      Samurontai posted...
      Again, how does destroying a confederate statue make someone an animal? 

      I'm confused

      Do you believe that making a bonfire makes someone an animal as well?


      This is easily the dumbest comparison I've seen someone make all day.
      - The Admiral
      its sad that THIS is what it took for these states to wake up and say "hey...maybe these shouldn't be here..."
      The Top Crusader posted...
      Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>


      I could see that happening as a counter to these statutes being brought down in all honesty.
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      Stop responding to Admiral.
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      The Admiral posted...
      Samurontai posted...
      Again, how does destroying a confederate statue make someone an animal? 

      I'm confused

      Do you believe that making a bonfire makes someone an animal as well?


      This is easily the dumbest comparison I've seen someone make all day.


      How is it dumb? It's an incredibly simple question. How does tearing down a statue make someone an animal?
      The Admiral posted...
      Their behavior is more civilized than these animals destroying property.


      lmao
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      Samurontai posted...
      Also, since when is taking down statues "acting like animals"? 

      I don't get it

      Admiral refers to every group who opposes white supremacists as animals. It's really weird.
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      nativengine posted...
      The Top Crusader posted...
      Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>


      I could see that happening as a counter to these statutes being brought down in all honesty.


      yea, a bunch of white republicans tearing down statues of MLK. They'll have to be sure to let everyone know it is absolutely, positively, certainly ONLY about him opposing gay marriage. Not a racial thing. Absolutely not. :u
      nativengine posted...
      The Top Crusader posted...
      Martin Luther King Jr was against gay marriage, are they coming for his statues next? >_>


      I could see that happening as a counter to these statutes being brought down in all honesty.

      did he hate gay people and was his fight against gay marriage? there is nothing wrong with being against it on a personal level because of his faith. he wasn't imposing that on anyone and attacking gay people was he? If not then the comparison is stupid and it sucks that so many idiots are going to use that as their counter to all this.
      The Admiral posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      The Admiral posted...
      OpheliaAdenade posted...
      Normally I'd agree with you, but I think in this case it is justified. :u They're vile statues and they've taken way too long to remove them.


      Once again, your feelings don't justify destruction of property. Thankfully our legal system is smart enough to realize that, and these people acting like animals are being properly charged.

      Didn't feelings block the removal of this statue that the white supremacists were crying about?


      No. They actually behaved civilly and got permits to protest the removal before it was scheduled to happen. Their behavior is more civilized than these animals destroying property.

      The removal that was voted on was blocked for some reason IIRC and this white supremacy rally was in support of that.

      Also, are hurt feelings stupid or not? Can you live your life based on feelings as long as you don't "act like an animal"?
      shockthemonkey posted...
      Samurontai posted...
      Also, since when is taking down statues "acting like animals"? 

      I don't get it

      Admiral refers to every group who opposes white supremacists as animals. It's really weird.


      I know, I just wanted to get him to trip up like he did when I questioned him on why he supported racial profiling
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Also, are hurt feelings stupid or not? Can you live your life based on feelings as long as you don't "act like an animal"?


      If hurt feelings result in you committing acts of violence and destroying property, then yes, they're stupid. And the people behaving that way deserved to be called animals.
      - The Admiral
      TheVipaGTS posted...
      ht against gay marriage? there is nothing wrong with being against it on a personal level because of his faith. he wasn't imposing that on anyone and attacking gay people was he? If not then the comparison is stupid and it sucks that so many idiots are going to use that as their c

      Apparently there is very little evidence to suggest that he opposed it (although it certainly wouldn't be surprising at all)

      Either way it isn't the basis of what he is commemorated for.
      The Admiral posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Also, are hurt feelings stupid or not? Can you live your life based on feelings as long as you don't "act like an animal"?


      If hurt feelings result in you committing acts of violence and destroying property, then yes, they're stupid. And the people behaving that way deserved to be called animals.


      Would you call the people that were part of the Unite the alright rally animals as well then?
      The Admiral posted...
      hockeybub89 posted...
      Also, are hurt feelings stupid or not? Can you live your life based on feelings as long as you don't "act like an animal"?


      If hurt feelings result in you committing acts of violence and destroying property, then yes, they're stupid. And the people behaving that way deserved to be called animals.

      So the white supremacists in Charlottesville are animals, correct?

      I'm just a little confused because you have never had any tolerance for people doing anything based on feelings, but now you only seem to care if they cross your "animal" threshold. Curious.
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