http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/permanent-resident-health-care-costs-immigration-1.4221930Article above basically explains how Canada has done a cost/benefit analysis of a special needs girl and determined that having her in the country is too expensive. In spite of her family offering to cover all of her medical costs and being a terrific activator of the local economy. What a disgusting policy, and completely indicative of the Trudeau government. Refuse to look after those that need help the most. Canada is falling fast.
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Better than being tossed in the river at birth. Humanity isn't too far removed from that s***.
The red flag is false hope
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So Canada gave a terrorist $10 million dollars, but is deporting a special needs girl for being too expensive?
What the f***
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Transcendentia posted...
So Canada gave a terrorist $10 million dollars, but is deporting a special needs girl for being too expensive?
What the f***
Please, continue misrepresenting the Omar Khadr case But yeah, this kind of thing isn't too unusual, as disheartening as it is to hear. Elderly are also frequently rejected by immigration. I remember a case where someone couldn't bring their mother over or something.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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FluttershyPony posted...
coddling s*** like that is why we have 600lbs hambeasts earning 3000 a month in benefits and getting 5-6 digit medical expenses a year covered off of our tax money.
The spartans knew what's up.
In defense of the family, epilepsy is tough to live with and much different then someone aiming for Social Security disability due to a lifetime of poor decisions.
The red flag is false hope
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She's a little behind, literally not on any meds or therapy
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Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
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SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
So Canada gave a terrorist $10 million dollars, but is deporting a special needs girl for being too expensive?
What the f***
Please, continue misrepresenting the Omar Khadr case
But yeah, this kind of thing isn't too unusual, as disheartening as it is to hear. Elderly are also frequently rejected by immigration. I remember a case where someone couldn't bring their mother over or something.
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers. But Canada can't support this family and this girl even though the family is contributing a tremendous amount in taxes. More than they use. What a f***ing joke to hide behind "herp DERP stop misrepresenting that terrorist case!~!1111"
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I don't see why she was denied and I definitely don't see how she would cost more then $6,500+ a year. All that said they tried to leave the USA so we should not welcome them back while I feel for the family you tried to leave this beautiful country
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eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada." "Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
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Really s***ty move by the Canadian government. I don't understand how Canada can take in an influx of refugees, but not take in a family that's supporting the country. The family is not abusing canada's health care, they didn't know their daughter had epilepsy until after they got to canada.
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Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes. If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
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SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
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eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
Yes, it is.
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Yeah, that's pretty s***ty. Boo on Canada
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UrethaFranklin posted...
Really s***ty move by the Canadian government. I don't understand how Canada can take in an influx of refugees, but not take in a family that's supporting the country. The family is not abusing canada's health care, they didn't know their daughter had epilepsy until after they got to canada.
There's a difference between refugees and immigrants is why. Immigrants aren't accepted into the country on humanitarian grounds. That said, Canada has a very strict immigration system and I thought everyone was aware of this.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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"Bring in the refugees galore! But if someone is paying a tremendous amount of taxes and is investing heavily into a business, f*** em! The immigration laws are strict!" - Canada
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Transcendentia posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
1) He was never charged and tried for murder in a court of law, so how can you deem him guilty? Canada, like many other civilized nations, operates under "innocent before proven guilty". 2) Death sentence has been abolished in Canada. And what do you mean by how Canada is treating their family?
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
Yes, it is.
All you did was quote the part of the article that shows why the topic title is misleading
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eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
Yes, it is.
All you did was quote the part of the article that shows why the topic title is misleading
Did you read the entire article? They're already in Canada, and they've been there for a while. "Jon Warkentin said there's more value in keeping them in Canada than sending them away because of Karalynn's needs. They've invested nearly $600,000 in their growing business and have paid "in excess of $20,000" to government in taxes and fees, he said."
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Booo.
River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer'
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SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
1) He was never charged and tried for murder in a court of law, so how can you deem him guilty? Canada, like many other civilized nations, operates under "innocent before proven guilty".
2) Death sentence has been abolished in Canada.
And what do you mean by how Canada is treating their family?
Are you sure you abolished the death sentence? You're literally consigning people to death if their medical bill is too high regardless of whether or not they're contributing more than that in taxes. Aren't you on the s***posters that bashes American healthcare? lmao
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Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
Yes, it is.
All you did was quote the part of the article that shows why the topic title is misleading
Did you read the entire article? They're already in Canada, and they've been there for a while.
"Jon Warkentin said there's more value in keeping them in Canada than sending them away because of Karalynn's needs. They've invested nearly $600,000 in their growing business and have paid "in excess of $20,000" to government in taxes and fees, he said."
Where's the part about being deported
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eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Topic title is pretty misleading. This family is trying to immigrate to Canada and these are grounds on which they were denied.
"Their letter of rejection from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, which arrived in April, said Karalynn's health condition might cause "excessive demand" on health or social services in Canada."
"Karalynn was deemed inadmissible to Canada on health grounds stemming from her global developmental delay and ADHD, the letter said. As a result, all family members were deemed inadmissable to Canada."
Is this supposed to refute my post in some way?
Yes, it is.
All you did was quote the part of the article that shows why the topic title is misleading
Did you read the entire article? They're already in Canada, and they've been there for a while.
"Jon Warkentin said there's more value in keeping them in Canada than sending them away because of Karalynn's needs. They've invested nearly $600,000 in their growing business and have paid "in excess of $20,000" to government in taxes and fees, he said."
Where's the part about being deported
It's not a deportation by force but it is effectively giving them the boot by preventing them from being able to establish a long term residence there. You're really trying hard to grasp at that petty semantic just to avoid admitting that it's f***ed up, aren't you?
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MuayThai85 posted...
Transcendentia posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
This. f*** that guy. His family openly supported Bin Laden, he willingly joined and fought (even if it was his father who took him). He committed treason and murdered an allied soldier. Only compensation that scumbag deserves is a bullet to the back of his head.
True, f*** that guy. He was 15 years old and not in anyway inundated by his parents beliefs. Also, not a terrorist but, and I know it's hard, but say it with me, "enemy combatant." Just cause he's fighting an invading force that you support doesn't make him a terrorist. At least he had the balls to go toe to toe with a far superior force than b****ing about things on the Internet.
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Holy s*** Proudclad's f***ing strawmen
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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SGT_Conti posted...
Holy s*** Proudclad's f***ing strawmen
what do you think about american healthcare? do you believe that repealing the ACA is the equivalent of a death sentence for many people?
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Transcendentia posted...
It's not a deportation by force but it is effectively giving them the boot by preventing them from being able to establish a long term residence there. You're really trying hard to grasp at that petty semantic just to avoid admitting that it's f***ed up, aren't you?
So in other words the topic title is misleading. That's all my original post said. I didn't express whether I agree or disagree with the decision. And no it isn't semantics. There's a rather large difference between having a citizenship application denied and being deported
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Eat More Beef posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
Transcendentia posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
This. f*** that guy. His family openly supported Bin Laden, he willingly joined and fought (even if it was his father who took him). He committed treason and murdered an allied soldier. Only compensation that scumbag deserves is a bullet to the back of his head.
True, f*** that guy. He was 15 years old and not in anyway inundated by his parents beliefs.
Also, not a terrorist but, and I know it's hard, but say it with me, "enemy combatant." Just cause he's fighting an invading force that you support doesn't make him a terrorist.
At least he had the balls to go toe to toe with a far superior force than b****ing about things on the Internet.
He's a Canadian citizen. He joined an enemy force that was attacking one of our allied nations who at the same time were fighting along side our own troops 2,000kms away. That right there fits the definition of treason. The entire Khadar family is scum and should be removed from our country.
How can one person post so much stupid s***?
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Literally the only comments I have ever made about ACA is that it's a tremendously flawed piece of legislation and I wish the US would provide more universal coverage to those who need it. I never hyperbolised that it was an immediate death sentence for those relying on it. I recognise that some people, like my friend in Indiana who owns a small business, became unable to cover his employees to the same extent and with the same costs after ACA passed. So no, I don't think it's a death sentence, but for some people, repealing ACA would cause undue hardship to citizens.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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Oh but Canada is a shining beacon of liberal values and better than the US and would never do something awful like this according to the internet.
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eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
It's not a deportation by force but it is effectively giving them the boot by preventing them from being able to establish a long term residence there. You're really trying hard to grasp at that petty semantic just to avoid admitting that it's f***ed up, aren't you?
So in other words the topic title is misleading. That's all my original post said. I didn't express whether I agree or disagree with the decision.
And no it isn't semantics. There's a rather large difference between having a citizenship application denied and being deported
So if you have no choice but to sell the business you invested heavily in, and then leave...that's not a deportation in any meaningful sense? I bet you'd say otherwise if it was people in America being crowded out that way.
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Man if Transcendentia is really Proudclad, he's gone off the deep end rofl. "I'm just gonna keep using buzzwords. That'll really prove my point!"
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Transcendentia posted...
eston posted...
Transcendentia posted...
It's not a deportation by force but it is effectively giving them the boot by preventing them from being able to establish a long term residence there. You're really trying hard to grasp at that petty semantic just to avoid admitting that it's f***ed up, aren't you?
So in other words the topic title is misleading. That's all my original post said. I didn't express whether I agree or disagree with the decision.
And no it isn't semantics. There's a rather large difference between having a citizenship application denied and being deported
So if you have no choice but to sell the business you invested heavily in, and then leave...that's not a deportation in any meaningful sense? I bet you'd say otherwise if it was people in America being crowded out that way.
No, that is not what deportation is, and please don't try to act like you know me.
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MuayThai85 posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
MuayThai85 posted...
Transcendentia posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
Transcendentia posted...
Canada literally awarded a known terrorist with ten million dollars stolen from taxpayers.
The solution to that was to respect his rights as a citizen. If the government patriated him to Canada and tried and found him guilty of terrorism (which he technically was never charged and tried for, and that ship has now long sailed), we wouldn't be in this mess where $10m would need to be paid out to a family nobody in this country even likes.
If the US imprisoned a citizen for ten years with no trial, you'd be damn sure they'd be compensated for that.
The only respect he should've been given is the death sentence for being a terrorist and a murderer. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million that doesn't also make Canada look f***ing stupid for how they're treating this family.
This. f*** that guy. His family openly supported Bin Laden, he willingly joined and fought (even if it was his father who took him). He committed treason and murdered an allied soldier. Only compensation that scumbag deserves is a bullet to the back of his head.
True, f*** that guy. He was 15 years old and not in anyway inundated by his parents beliefs.
Also, not a terrorist but, and I know it's hard, but say it with me, "enemy combatant." Just cause he's fighting an invading force that you support doesn't make him a terrorist.
At least he had the balls to go toe to toe with a far superior force than b****ing about things on the Internet.
He's a Canadian citizen. He joined an enemy force that was attacking one of our allied nations who at the same time were fighting along side our own troops 2,000kms away. That right there fits the definition of treason.
The entire Khadar family is scum and should be removed from our country.
Can't be fighting beside someone that is 2000km away. And okay, sarcasm aside, I understand your point, but you can't say that the allies invaded Iraq under noble intentions. They were a foreign invading force without cause. That sounds more like terrorism to me than a dude fighting for the invaded country. Regardless, he was held prisoner and tortured for ten years without trial. That s*** ain't fair in any walk of life. And no one can blame this on liberals. It was the Harper led government that let him rot. Any blame for the 10mil should be laid at his feet for neglecting a citizen, not trudeau.
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Eat More Beef posted...
Can't be fighting beside someone that is 2000km away.
And okay, sarcasm aside, I understand your point, but you can't say that the allies invaded Iraq under noble intentions. They were a foreign invading force without cause. That sounds more like terrorism to me than a dude fighting for the invaded country.
Regardless, he was held prisoner and tortured for ten years without trial. That s*** ain't fair in any walk of life.
To correct this, Omar Khadr was captured in Afganistan, not Iraq. Canada did participate in Afghanistan, notably the province of Kandahar, but as far as I'm aware didn't step foot in Iraq, which I recall Chretien being attacked by some Americans for. And in literally any other situation, Khadr would have been classified a child soldier. When Canada speaks out against children indoctrinated to fight in Africa, but doesn't treat Khadr the same way, it feels really hypocritical to me. Eat More Beef posted...
And no one can blame this on liberals. It was the Harper led government that let him rot. Any blame for the 10mil should be laid at his feet for neglecting a citizen, not trudeau.
It actually started before Harper. I'm not sure where culpability begins under the Supreme Court's ruling, but it was definitely either Chretian or Martin's administration that first violated his rights as a Canadian. It was Harper that continued to fight the court at the cost of millions of dollars regarding his imprisonment at Guantanamo.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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SGT_Conti posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
Can't be fighting beside someone that is 2000km away.
And okay, sarcasm aside, I understand your point, but you can't say that the allies invaded Iraq under noble intentions. They were a foreign invading force without cause. That sounds more like terrorism to me than a dude fighting for the invaded country.
Regardless, he was held prisoner and tortured for ten years without trial. That s*** ain't fair in any walk of life.
To correct this, Omar Khadr was captured in Afganistan, not Iraq. Canada did participate in Afghanistan, notably the province of Kandahar, but as far as I'm aware didn't step foot in Iraq, which I recall Chretien being attacked by some Americans for.
And in literally any other situation, Khadr would have been classified a child soldier. When Canada speaks out against children indoctrinated to fight in Africa, but doesn't treat Khadr the same way, it feels really hypocritical to me.
Eat More Beef posted...
And no one can blame this on liberals. It was the Harper led government that let him rot. Any blame for the 10mil should be laid at his feet for neglecting a citizen, not trudeau.
It actually started before Harper. I'm not sure where culpability begins under the Supreme Court's ruling, but it was definitely either Chretian or Martin's administration that first violated his rights as a Canadian. It was Harper that continued to fight the court at the cost of millions of dollars regarding his imprisonment at Guantanamo.
Well, I stand corrected. I thought it was the Harper minority government that was in power when he was caught. But, the dude he killed was in Iraq, no? And i'm well versed in our "war" in Afghanistan as I was a participant. We did have some soldiers in Iraq, albeit a very small contingent; mostly jtf2 dudes and stuff.
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Eat More Beef posted...
Well, I stand corrected. I thought it was the Harper minority government that was in power when he was caught.
But, the dude he killed was in Iraq, no? And i'm well versed in our "war" in Afghanistan as I was a participant.
We did have some soldiers in Iraq, albeit a very small contingent; mostly jtf2 dudes and stuff.
No, Khadr was captured before the Iraq War even began, back in 2002. Speer was in Afghanistan when he was hit by the grenade and eventually died in Germany from his wounds.
"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be."
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Transcendentia posted...
So Canada gave a terrorist $10 million dollars, but is deporting a special needs girl for being too expensive?
What the f***
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SGT_Conti posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
Well, I stand corrected. I thought it was the Harper minority government that was in power when he was caught.
But, the dude he killed was in Iraq, no? And i'm well versed in our "war" in Afghanistan as I was a participant.
We did have some soldiers in Iraq, albeit a very small contingent; mostly jtf2 dudes and stuff.
No, Khadr was captured before the Iraq War even began, back in 2002. Speer was in Afghanistan when he was hit by the grenade and eventually died in Germany from his wounds.
Seriously? Why the f*** does every source I read say he was killed in Iraq, or allude to it... damn... I need to triple check all my sources from now on.
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Transcendentia posted...
. There is no excuse for giving him $10 million
So what's the point in people having rights if governments can violate them whenever they want.
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