Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist? Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted. You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
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Every baby is born atheist!! Those damn heathens tbh smh imo
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
No one is born being able to speak a language either.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist?
Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted.
You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
There is no tangible evidence of any acts of God that living people can see happening right now. Example 1: The existence of humans on earth is attributed to the highly tested theory of evolution, not an act of an invisible man in the sky. Example 2: Genesis speaks of a garden on Earth where there are trees whose fruit give knowledge of good and evil or eternal life, guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. If the Bible were a book of fact, we would be able to find it. Without evidence of God being real, it is natural to think that God might not actually be real.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
No one is born being able to speak a language either.
No, but we're born with the instinct to communicate.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
No one is born being able to speak a language either.
Exactly. Like language, religion has to be taught. I'm glad you understand this.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist?
Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted.
You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
What the f***, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be that surprised a statement this illogical could only come out of a religious fanatic.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
No one is born being able to speak a language either.
You realize that helps his point right?
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
People who base their beliefs on reason and evidence.
But there is no evidence that there is no god.
You can't know until you up and die.
For me, it's more about how one defines god.
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
People who base their beliefs on reason and evidence.
But there is no evidence that there is no god.
You can't know until you up and die.
inb4 Russel's Teapot Also dying is no guarantee. There could be a god and still no afterlife. The two don't have to be packaged together.
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Lightsasori posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
Lightsasori posted...
If you're simply talking about believing in a higher being then yes you can argue that is a de facto stance
TBQH I'm not even sure believing in a higher being is the de facto stance.
Sorry, I meant to say higher power. And even then I said it could be "argued".
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Twin3Turbo posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
believing in God is the de facto stance.
Wrong.
Most people in the world do, troll.
Literally no one is born believing in a god. Do try to familiarize yourself with the terms being discussed before you comment.
No one is born being able to speak a language either.
You realize that helps his point right?
I'm beginning to believe JohnLennon is a troll account designed to make conservatives look stupid.
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MysticMismagius posted...
There is no tangible evidence of any acts of God that living people can see happening right now.
Example 1: The existence of humans on earth is attributed to the highly tested theory of evolution, not an act of an invisible man in the sky.
Example 2: Genesis speaks of a garden on Earth where there are trees whose fruit give knowledge of good and evil or eternal life, guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. If the Bible were a book of fact, we would be able to find it.
Without evidence of God being real, it is natural to think that God might not actually be real.
Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument. Now saying "There isn't sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, isn't and probably might never be 100% explored. And claiming God to be an "invisible man in the sky" doesn't help your case as God can be anything from an invisible omnipotent force to something that encompasses the entire Universe. It's just as bad as people who refer to the Bible as "fairy tales". Disparaging comments like these wouldn't fly in a real world debate. Zeeak4444 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist?
Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted.
You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
What the f***, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be that surprised a statement this illogical could only come out of a religious fanatic.
Not as illogical as you claiming me to be a religious fanatic when I'm anything but. Hell, if I were, I'd be pulling Bible verses left and right.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.
Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, although in this case the Bible is evidence for itself in that it's infallible.
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SageHarpuia posted...
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,
True, but it's stupid to make a positive claim with zero to no evidence for it. SageHarpuia posted...
although in this case the Bible is evidence for itself in that it's infallible.
What?
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
There is no tangible evidence of any acts of God that living people can see happening right now.
Example 1: The existence of humans on earth is attributed to the highly tested theory of evolution, not an act of an invisible man in the sky.
Example 2: Genesis speaks of a garden on Earth where there are trees whose fruit give knowledge of good and evil or eternal life, guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. If the Bible were a book of fact, we would be able to find it.
Without evidence of God being real, it is natural to think that God might not actually be real.
Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument. Now saying "There isn't sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, isn't and probably might never be 100% explored.
And claiming God to be an "invisible man in the sky" doesn't help your case as God can be anything from an invisible omnipotent force to something that encompasses the entire Universe. It's just as bad as people who refer to the Bible as "fairy tales". Disparaging comments like these wouldn't fly in a real world debate.
Zeeak4444 posted...
Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist?
Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted.
You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
What the f***, I mean, I guess I shouldn't be that surprised a statement this illogical could only come out of a religious fanatic.
Not as illogical as you claiming me to be a religious fanatic when I'm anything but. Hell, if I were, I'd be pulling Bible verses left and right.
Ya everything you've said has been "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion". I'm just calling it what it is.
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SageHarpuia posted...
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Thats not really a good defense of a positive god claim though. If there is no evidence to support your claim then it's really no better than anyone else's
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
MysticMismagius posted...
There is no tangible evidence of any acts of God that living people can see happening right now.
Example 1: The existence of humans on earth is attributed to the highly tested theory of evolution, not an act of an invisible man in the sky.
Example 2: Genesis speaks of a garden on Earth where there are trees whose fruit give knowledge of good and evil or eternal life, guarded by cherubim and a flaming sword. If the Bible were a book of fact, we would be able to find it.
Without evidence of God being real, it is natural to think that God might not actually be real.
Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument. Now saying "There isn't sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, isn't and probably might never be 100% explored.
And claiming God to be an "invisible man in the sky" doesn't help your case as God can be anything from an invisible omnipotent force to something that encompasses the entire Universe. It's just as bad as people who refer to the Bible as "fairy tales". Disparaging comments like these wouldn't fly in a real world debate.
Ok, fine. There isn't sufficient evidence of God's existence. Happy? God tends to be depicted in man's image, is said to live in heaven which is above the clouds, and cannot be seen by people. Therefore, an invisible man in the sky.
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For those of you who are unfamiliar with TC, his grandma is also his aunt, meaning his dad is also his cousin. This may explain his posts. You're welcome.
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TrevorBlack79 posted...
Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.
I, for one, couldn't prove to you that God exists. I'm not a gnostic theist. They could probably point to those crepuscular rays and say "That's God's work". Given that some probably see God as a concept rather than a physical being, he is unprovable. That's why religion is faith based. They can only tell through real-life experiences. Zeeak4444 posted...
Ya everything you've said has been "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion".
I'm just calling it what it is.
You're nuts if you think I'm enthusiastic about these sort of debates. I don't let my stance on God define who I' am as a person in real life. I don't try to convince to you that God exists, rather, I enjoy challenging the ideology that is atheism when the opportunity presents itself. Even then, it's of no use because we will never convince the other party and vice versa. MysticMismagius posted...
Ok, fine. There isn't sufficient evidence of God's existence. Happy?
God tends to be depicted in man's image, is said to live in heaven which is above the clouds, and cannot be seen by people. Therefore, an invisible man in the sky.
That's probably how religious people view God as. To me, God may be a physical being, I don't know, but I see him more as a concept that encompasses the entire Universe.
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Villain posted...
For those of you who are unfamiliar with TC, his grandma is also his aunt, meaning his dad is also his cousin.
This may explain his posts. You're welcome.
O.o
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
People who base their beliefs on reason and evidence.
But there is no evidence that there is no god.
You can't know until you up and die.
That is not how this works.
Except that is how it works. Why should the majority (ex. those that believe in God) have to explain themselves to the minority? (ex. the atheists) considering believing in God is the de facto stance.
Not a fanatic, nope not here folks.
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Villain posted...
For those of you who are unfamiliar with TC, his grandma is also his aunt, meaning his dad is also his cousin.
This may explain his posts. You're welcome.
That's a weird gimmick.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
@Villain
Proof?
To take a page from the religious posters here, prove he's wrong.
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Zeeak4444 posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
@Villain
Proof?
To take a page from the religious posters here, prove he's wrong.
Strawman. There is no proven way to know what happens to us after death.
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Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
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You don't really advocate for atheism. If anything, you advocate for appropriate skepticism.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Who's trying to gain acceptance here; the religious or the atheist?
Of course the atheist. Therefore, it's their duty to provide something worth taking into consideration if their ideology is to be accepted.
You're presented with the argument God exists. Now challenge that claim.
You know how you challenge a claim, request that the provide evidence, can you provide evidence to back up your "argument?"
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...
People who base their beliefs on reason and evidence.
But there is no evidence that there is no god.
You can't know until you up and die.
That is not how this works.
Except that is how it works. Why should the majority (ex. those that believe in God) have to explain themselves to the minority? (ex. the atheists) considering believing in God is the de facto stance.
Because logic doesn't care about majority or minority. Although, if you want to go down the ad populum argument... The large majority of people don't believe in most gods. There are hundreds of gods and pretty much everyone believe the grand majority of them are fake. Atheists just take it a little step further. Point is, no matter what religion you believe in, more people think your religion is fake than people think your religion is real.
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I don't advocate it. I am one, but I don't give a s*** about whether anyone else is or not. Unless someone asks me about it, and wants to have a discussion about it, it probably won't even come up.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
@Villain
Proof?
To take a page from the religious posters here, prove he's wrong.
Strawman.
There is no proven way to know what happens to us after death.
So...?
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Atheists don't deserve to be mocked for what they believe, and I say that as a devout Christian.
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God being real or not doesn't matter
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Slayerblade11 posted...
God being real or not doesn't matter
The truth doesn't have to matter to be true...
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Atheism is not a claim to truth. On a fundamental level, it's simply skeptical of a specific claim.
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Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option. Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
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I wouldn't even want to go to a heaven as described in the Bible. Sounds like one of those dystopias where everybody's on happy pills and loses all ability to think for themselves.
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Darmik posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
That's another JohnLennon alt. Just ignore it. It never says anything of substance.
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The Deadpool posted...
Darmik posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
That's another JohnLennon alt. Just ignore it. It never says anything of substance.
inb4 he posts something along the lines of "The same could be said of you" or "Aren't you a known troll" and then mentions you multiple times f***ing lol
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Dragonblade01 posted...
I wouldn't even want to go to a heaven as described in the Bible. Sounds like one of those dystopias where everybody's on happy pills and loses all ability to think for themselves.
And it lasts for an eternity. Just forever. Like what are you supposed to be doing there? Is there anything to be excited for? Can we still play video games? Would I fail playing video games or would I be perfect at them because I'm in Heaven? That doesn't sound fun. Can I improve myself as a person in heaven or am I perfect once I'm there? What if someone I love and miss isn't in heaven. How can that be heaven knowing they're in Hell? Sounds like a nightmare tbh.
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Axiom posted...
The Deadpool posted...
Darmik posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
That's another JohnLennon alt. Just ignore it. It never says anything of substance.
inb4 he posts something along the lines of "The same could be said of you" or "Aren't you a known troll" and then mentions you multiple times
f***ing lol
Probably. Last time dude sent me some creepy private message about it and marked my post. So "I'm rubber, you're glue" would be an improvement... Still, most CE topics would be improved by not responding to his pointless posts.
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Darmik posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
The rules aren't as strict as you think. Sins can be forgiven.
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The Deadpool posted...
Axiom posted...
The Deadpool posted...
Darmik posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Darmik posted...
Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.
First option.
Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?
With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.
That's another JohnLennon alt. Just ignore it. It never says anything of substance.
inb4 he posts something along the lines of "The same could be said of you" or "Aren't you a known troll" and then mentions you multiple times
f***ing lol
Last time dude sent me some creepy private message about it and marked my post.
When did this happen?
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...
Now saying "There isn't sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, isn't and probably might never be 100% explored.
That's not really fair, though. All claims that exist without any evidence are not, "lacking sufficient evidence". If I claim something insane, like that the ancient pyramids were built by time traveling New Yorker's who had been enslaved by inter-dimensional lizard people, you would say "there is no evidence of that" because the claim lacks evidence. As for Christianity, it inherently can't have any proof. The concepts of faith and proof are mutually exclusive. You can either have one or the other. Faith, by definition, means believing in something without faith. So there actually is 'no evidence of God'. That being said, I agree that calling a god, "a magic sky man" is asinine and hurts his cause more than it helps it.
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