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Antifar 1 day ago#401
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990

The president had always planned to scale back President Barack Obama-era policies welcoming such individuals in combat and greenlighting the military to pay for their medical treatment plans. But a behind-the-scenes GOP brawl threatening to tank a Pentagon funding increase and wall construction hastened Trump’s decision.

Numerous House conservatives and defense hawks this week had threatened to derail their own legislation if it did not include a prohibition on Pentagon funding for gender reassignment surgeries, which they deem a waste of taxpayer money. But GOP leaders were caught in a pinch between those demands and moderate Republicans who felt the proposal was blatantly discriminatory.

“There are several members of the conference who feel this really needs to be addressed,” said senior House Appropriations Committee member Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.) on Tuesday. “This isn’t about the transgender issue; it’s about the taxpayer dollars going to pay for the surgery out of the defense budget."

That’s why House lawmakers took the matter to the Trump administration. And when Defense Secretary James Mattis refused to immediately upend the policy, they went straight to the White House. Trump — never one for political correctness — was all too happy to oblige.

“[P]lease be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. "Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail.”

The president’s directive, of course, took the House issue a step beyond paying for gender reassignment surgery and other medical treatment. House Republicans were never debating expelling all transgender troops from the military.

"This is like someone told the White House to light a candle on the table and the WH set the whole table on fire,” said one senior House Republican aide. The source said that while GOP leaders asked the White House for help, they weren't expecting — and got no heads up on — Trump's far-reaching directive.
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Wow, the entire internet is on fire over this. I didn't even know trans people were allowed in the military to begin with (Bradley Manning was already kicked out after the HRT).
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ZMythos 1 day ago#404
CEs_EFG posted...
Just gonna go ahead and fly through to point out that transgender might be a mental disorder and like every mental disorder it barrs you from the military

It isn't a mental disorder. The science isn't settled but it is not classified as a mental disorder and to try and equate them is highly offensive to both sides
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And anyone seriously thought Trump was an ally of the LGTB community?
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Dabrikishaw15 posted...
And anyone seriously thought Trump was an ally of the LGTB community?

No one with any sense ever believed that after he ran with Pence and appointed Sessions.
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Dabrikishaw15 posted...
And anyone seriously thought Trump was an ally of the LGTB community?


Idiots did

I don't believe s*** that comes out of his mouth. He has no backbone policies to speak of, and seems to just take suggestions from unqualified people and just runs with it
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s0nicfan 1 day ago#408
ZMythos posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
Just gonna go ahead and fly through to point out that transgender might be a mental disorder and like every mental disorder it barrs you from the military

It isn't a mental disorder. The science isn't settled but it is not classified as a mental disorder and to try and equate them is highly offensive to both sides


If the science isn't settled, then insurance shouldn't cover transition, either/
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bretonftw 1 day ago#409
CEs_EFG posted...
bretonftw posted...

The study I just posted debunks them all.


your study debunks the 40% suicide rate and the need of constant hormone supply leading to non-deployability? 

can you pinpoint that to me?


It debunks the relevancy of the first statistic and an ACTUAL researched estimate of costs, rather than what you produced.
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#410
ZMythos posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
Just gonna go ahead and fly through to point out that transgender might be a mental disorder and like every mental disorder it barrs you from the military

It isn't a mental disorder. The science isn't settled but it is not classified as a mental disorder and to try and equate them is highly offensive to both sides

It's a contition that involves a 40% suicide rate. There are way more mild mental conditions that get you disqualified than that.
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Haldol 1 day ago#411
The Admiral posted...
Non-issue.
So whats going to happen to the 7500 transgender troops we have now its an issue
Axiom 1 day ago#413
But he held up a rainbow flag. A RAINBOW FLAG
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#414
bretonftw posted...

It debunks the relevancy of the first statistic and an ACTUAL researched estimate of costs, rather than what you produced.


so it only mildly debunks 1 out of the 3 points I made? man do you work for snopes?
Fair next. Why should the government have to pay for expensive surgery for special snowflakes.
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Adumigan 1 day ago#416
Axiom posted...
But he held up a rainbow flag. A RAINBOW FLAG

Upside down too! He's revolutionary
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Sylph 1 day ago#417
ColdOne666 posted...
Fair next. Why should the government have to pay for expensive surgery for special snowflakes.

This is the same line of thinking that cuts funding from PTSD benefits for veterans and other medical options for them.
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Sylph posted...
ColdOne666 posted...
Fair next. Why should the government have to pay for expensive surgery for special snowflakes.

This is the same line of thinking that cuts funding from PTSD benefits for veterans and other medical options for them.



The military is causing people to have PTSD and etc....


The military didn't make anyone be a transgender.
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Antifar posted...
Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

They spend 5 times that on dick pills. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/


I had no clue this was a thing

How the f*** can people get upset at "useless" spending on trans people, but be okay with this... like what

Conservatives are f***ing confusing lol
Samurontai posted...
Antifar posted...
Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

They spend 5 times that on dick pills. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/


I had no clue this was a thing

How the f*** can people get upset at "useless" spending on trans people, but be okay with this... like what

Conservatives are f***ing confusing lol

Because they don't care about the money. It's just getting harder for them to discriminate against gay people so they just moved on to a new group.
Sylph 1 day ago#421
Okay, so now tell me this: Why is this blocking post op trans women? They've had the surgery, they've recovered from it. What is the issue now?
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Antifar 1 day ago#422
Samurontai posted...
Antifar posted...
Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

They spend 5 times that on dick pills. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/


I had no clue this was a thing

How the f*** can people get upset at "useless" spending on trans people, but be okay with this... like what

Conservatives are f***ing confusing lol

Since posting this, I've read that their Viagra budget is actually intended to help those who, due to trauma or their experiences, have difficulty in that department. The number seems eye-popping, but if that's the case I'm not sure it's something to be mocked.
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Good. What would be the upside of allowing them in the military?
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UncleBourbon33 posted...
Good. What would be the upside of allowing them in the military?

What's the downside?
chrono625 1 day ago#425
if trangenderism isn't a mental condition, then the medication and surgery shouldn't be covered by insurance and should be paid out of pocket in full. Feel free to serve, but don't expect the government to pay for the treatments.

if trangenderism is a mental condition, it should be covered BUT if it is labeled a condition you would be disqualified from joining the military given how they disqualify many people for much less.

which is it?
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Antifar posted...
Samurontai posted...
Antifar posted...
Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

They spend 5 times that on dick pills. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/


I had no clue this was a thing

How the f*** can people get upset at "useless" spending on trans people, but be okay with this... like what

Conservatives are f***ing confusing lol

Since posting this, I've read that their Viagra budget is actually intended to help those who, due to trauma or their experiences, have difficulty in that department. The number seems eye-popping, but if that's the case I'm not sure it's something to be mocked.


Ahh fair enough in that case
Zeeak4444 1 day ago#427
chrono625 posted...
if trangenderism isn't a mental condition, then the medication and surgery shouldn't be covered by insurance and should be paid out of pocket in full. Feel free to serve, but don't expect the government to pay for the treatments.

if trangenderism is a mental condition, it should be covered BUT if it is labeled a condition you would be disqualified from joining the military given how they disqualify many people for much less.

which is it?


This is an interesting point actually, I'm curious what other opinions are out there regarding this.
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s0nicfan 1 day ago#428
Zeeak4444 posted...

This is an interesting point actually, I'm curious what other opinions are out there regarding this.


silence, mostly. I rarely see that particular point actively debated.
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Zeeak4444 1 day ago#429
s0nicfan posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...

This is an interesting point actually, I'm curious what other opinions are out there regarding this.


silence, mostly. I rarely see that particular point actively debated.


Ya, I never really considered that myself. I'm interested on how 

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And such feel about it though. Seems like it would be an interesting discussion at the least compared to the usual "discussions" you tend to see.
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It also bans post-ops. Why is banning people willing to serve considered a good thing? I understanding rejecting someone if they physically can't, but a blanket ban on one group that includes abled people willing to serve the country makes no sense.
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Lol at the lgbt supporters that voted for him.
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#432
TheVipaGTS posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
Good. What would be the upside of allowing them in the military?

What's the downside?

Extremely high likelihood of suicide and exorbitant medical expenses.
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s0nicfan 1 day ago#433
TheVipaGTS posted...
It also bans post-ops. Why is banning people willing to serve considered a good thing?


It would really help if the generals published a report explaining exactly why, which hopefully they will. Absent their actual words, it could be a number of things, the biggest potential issue being: access to drugs. If you're deployed, you can't go to a CVS and get your hormones. That has serious implications to deployment.
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Mal_Fet posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
Good. What would be the upside of allowing them in the military?

What's the downside?

Extremely high likelihood of suicide
and exorbitant medical expenses.


Any source that Trump is kicking them from the military because of the suicide rates?

Any sources that reference suicide rates of trans in the military, rather than just your blanket suicide rates for every trans in the country? Because military life and civilian life are vastly different things
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Pretty sure you can get BOTOX on insurance so you can argue it's a similar circumstance if we agree that transgenderism isn't a mental disorder.
Mal_Fet posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
Good. What would be the upside of allowing them in the military?

What's the downside?

Extremely high likelihood of suicide and exorbitant medical expenses.

Why wasn't this a problem before then?

Why didn't you care about it before Trump tweeted about it today?
http://www.sprc.org/news/lgbt-active-militaryveterans-and-suicide-risk

It states here that:

The research identified “two risk factors that appear to be particularly relevant to suicide risk in the LGBT population [in general]: victimization and decreased social support.” 

Isn't ostracizing them even further (the ones who are currently in the military) just going to drive the rates of suicide up even more?
chrono625 1 day ago#438
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Pretty sure you can get BOTOX on insurance so you can argue it's a similar circumstance if we agree that transgenderism isn't a mental disorder.


it will be covered if you have a CONDITION.

Like migraines or an over active bladder.

It won't be covered for vanity purposes.
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chrono625 posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Pretty sure you can get BOTOX on insurance so you can argue it's a similar circumstance if we agree that transgenderism isn't a mental disorder.


it will be covered if you have a CONDITION.

Like migraines or an over active bladder.

It won't be covered for vanity purposes.

I guess I should of actually read the articles and not just the couple of headlines tbh. 

Didn't even know that BOTOX helped with migraines though tbf.
Zeeak4444 1 day ago#440
sktgamer_13dude posted...
chrono625 posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Pretty sure you can get BOTOX on insurance so you can argue it's a similar circumstance if we agree that transgenderism isn't a mental disorder.


it will be covered if you have a CONDITION.

Like migraines or an over active bladder.

It won't be covered for vanity purposes.

I guess I should of actually read the articles and not just the couple of headlines tbh. 

Didn't even know that BOTOX helped with migraines though tbf.


My thoughts exactly, I didn't know they funded Botox period until I read your post a few moments ago.

Interesting little tidbit there about the migraines.
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Mal_Fet 1 day ago#441
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why wasn't this a problem before then?

It was

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why didn't you care about it before Trump tweeted about it today?

I did
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The anti-Trump force is looking pretty silly itt. This decision makes sense for the most obvious reasons. Though I gotta love how the libbie response to anyone supporting this is just "tens of millions of dollars? Who cares!" and "yeah they're mentally ill...so what?"

I haven't seen a decent argument proving why this decision by Trump is a bad one. It's not like the military hasn't discriminated before based on health condition.
Mal_Fet posted...
Extremely high likelihood of suicide and exorbitant medical expenses.


extremely high likelihood of MAL BULLs*** AGAIN
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Mal_Fet posted...
Extremely high likelihood of suicide and exorbitant medical expenses.


extremely high likelihood of MAL BULLs*** AGAIN

What a compelling counter argument
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Zeeak4444 1 day ago#445
Terra-enforcer posted...
The anti-Trump force is looking pretty silly itt. This decision makes sense for the most obvious reasons. Though I gotta love how the libbie response to anyone supporting this is just "tens of millions of dollars? Who cares!" and "yeah they're mentally ill...so what?"

I haven't seen a decent argument proving why this decision by Trump is a bad one. It's not like the military hasn't discriminated before based on health condition.


@Terra-enforcer blanket ruining are (extremely) rarely a good thing.

I haven't seen a decent argument proving why blanket rulings are good ones.
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voldothegr8 posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Extremely high likelihood of suicide and exorbitant medical expenses.


extremely high likelihood of MAL BULLs*** AGAIN

What a compelling counter argument


I'm sorry, I was busy with Trump's NONEXISTING argument.
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Mal_Fet posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why wasn't this a problem before then?

It was

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why didn't you care about it before Trump tweeted about it today?

I did

lol no one cared about it until today

Show me proof that you cared about it before today. I'm waiting.
Mal_Fet 1 day ago#448
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why wasn't this a problem before then?

It was

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Why didn't you care about it before Trump tweeted about it today?

I did

lol no one cared about it until today

Show me proof that you cared about it before today. I'm waiting.

You want me to scrounge up a topic that purged months ago when Obama lifted the ban on transsexuals?
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Mal_Fet posted...
You want me to scrounge up a topic that purged months ago when Obama lifted the ban on transsexuals?


yes
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bretonftw 1 day ago#450
Not-so-friendly reminder that the only study in this topic on the issue debunks any issues around trans people being in the military based on how it's worked in other countries in terms of unit cohesion, and exposed the pathetically low cost of this.

Can't wait for the President after Trump to shred this law. American history will not look kindly on this generation.
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    bretonftw 1 day ago#453
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    CEs_EFG posted...
    bretonftw posted...

    The study I just posted debunks them all.


    your study debunks the 40% suicide rate and the need of constant hormone supply leading to non-deployability? 

    can you pinpoint that to me?

    @bretonftw


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.
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    ZMythos 1 day ago#454
    Mal_Fet posted...
    It's a contition that involves a 40% suicide rate. There are way more mild mental conditions that get you disqualified than that.

    And being homeless has similar figures. Doesn't make that a mental disorder, either.
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    ZMythos posted...
    Mal_Fet posted...
    It's a contition that involves a 40% suicide rate. There are way more mild mental conditions that get you disqualified than that.

    And being homeless has similar figures. Doesn't make that a mental disorder, either.

    Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.
    ZMythos 1 day ago#456
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

    Is being homeless a mental disorder? No. 

    Stop.
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    ZMythos posted...
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

    Is being homeless a mental disorder? No. 

    Stop.

    But almost all homeless people have mental disorders...
    mario2000 1 day ago#458
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    ZMythos posted...
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

    Is being homeless a mental disorder? No. 

    Stop.

    But almost all homeless people have mental disorders...

    source
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    chrono625 1 day ago#459
    ZMythos posted...
    SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
    Many homeless people DO have mental disorders.

    Is being homeless a mental disorder? No. 

    Stop.


    mental disorders can be a cause of homelessness.

    where were you going with this?
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    CEs_EFG 1 day ago#461
    bretonftw posted...


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


    Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

    s*** Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity
    chrono625 1 day ago#462
    chrono625 posted...
    if trangenderism isn't a mental condition, then the medication and surgery shouldn't be covered by insurance and should be paid out of pocket in full. Feel free to serve, but don't expect the government to pay for the treatments.

    if trangenderism is a mental condition, it should be covered BUT if it is labeled a condition you would be disqualified from joining the military given how they disqualify many people for much less.

    which is it?


    can someone answer this?
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    Joining the military has always yielded benefits. People join to pay for college.

    Paying for transgender services should be their benefit.
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    CEs_EFG posted...
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    I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred.


    this is probably the best post ITT

    It's pretty amazing. They haven't created words that describe just how much of a piece of s*** he thinks Admiral is. He ain't wrong though.
    People would have you believe that the accusation of racism is more offensive than ACTUAL racism.
    ZMythos 1 day ago#465
    chrono625 posted...


    mental disorders can be a cause of homelessness.

    where were you going with this?

    If you followed the conversation at all, Mal in his infinite wisdom said that the high suicide rate among transgenders somehow qualifies them to have a mental disorder. I said that homelessness has nearly identical suicide rates, but being homeless in and of itself is not a mental disorder. 

    The rest of it was s***posting by others.
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    ImAMarvel 1 day ago#466
    I hope every trans person who supported Trump got BTFO by this.
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    Zeeak4444 posted...
    Terra-enforcer posted...
    The anti-Trump force is looking pretty silly itt. This decision makes sense for the most obvious reasons. Though I gotta love how the libbie response to anyone supporting this is just "tens of millions of dollars? Who cares!" and "yeah they're mentally ill...so what?"

    I haven't seen a decent argument proving why this decision by Trump is a bad one. It's not like the military hasn't discriminated before based on health condition.


    @Terra-enforcer blanket ruining are (extremely) rarely a good thing.

    I haven't seen a decent argument proving why blanket rulings are good ones.

    This is a good example. Pretty sure most would agree that saving tens of millions of dollars is a decent argument.
    My favorite part is people suddenly caring about people with "mental illness" getting access to firearms.


    But when we actually discuss gun control? Lol no.
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    GAMER_X 1 day ago#469
    >people are actually crying about how horrible it is that they can't go be human meat shields and cannon fodder for the imperialistic warmachines agendas

    That's quite a hill to pick die on, yikes....
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    It's funny. We spend more on Viagra for soldiers a year than this would cost for trans care.

    We've also spent more on trump maralago trips this year than several years for all trans care throughout the nation.
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    Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing. And the fact that he's been increasing military spending which incidentally increases his personal wealth
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    bretonftw 1 day ago#472
    CEs_EFG posted...
    bretonftw posted...


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


    Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

    s*** Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


    Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.
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    Mal_Fet 1 day ago#473
    @gunplagirl posted...
    Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

    Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)
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    Nearly a 500 post topic... probably the true amount of transgender in the active military. Out of 2 million
    (edited 1 day ago)
    Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head f*** that could be.
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    stevethewindow posted...
    Nearly a 500 post topic... probably the true amount of transgender in the active military. Out of 2 million


    But we can't afford them!
    Mal_Fet posted...
    @gunplagirl posted...
    Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

    Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)

    Ah yes top commanders such as... He didn't name any. Oh and of course the fact he has done at least one major repeal of trans rights a month since taking office.

    But hey, you're right that your "facts" are dense and pointlessly convoluted by inaccuracies like oils.
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    ThePredominate posted...
    Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head f*** that could be.

    Gosh you don't understand a thing. "I don't get it, therefore it's bad and get it away"
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    Conflict 1 day ago#479
    ThePredominate posted...
    Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head f*** that could be.


    Are you 5 years old lmao
    Do you like the way the water tastes?
    Like gunfire
    This dumpster fire of a topic is still burning eh.
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    Howl 1 day ago#481
    Glass_Phantom posted...
    This is graceful.


    FTFY
    woof
    Conflict posted...
    ThePredominate posted...
    Being under the stress of the military and dealing with transgenderism both at once just sounds too much. Let's not forget that you're literally changing sex. It's bizarre that its even possible, I can't imagine how much of a head f*** that could be.


    Are you 5 years old lmao


    I'm not sure what you're implying? Also gunplagirl what don't I understand? Maybe you just never thought about it but changing your sex wreaks havoc on your mind and body. Hormone therapy is f***ed up.
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    This is common sense, of course CE hates it lol
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    Mal_Fet posted...
    @gunplagirl posted...
    Plus the whole "trump dodged the draft speaking on what's good for the military" thing.

    Actually he chose to do this based on what his military commanders wanted, but then I know that your relationship with facts is similar to that of oil and water ;)


    No he didn't
    https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

    Sooo, this might be not happening after all
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    BLAKUboy 1 day ago#486
    Bullet_Wing posted...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

    Sooo, this might be not happening after all

    That says nothing of the sort.
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    BLAKUboy posted...
    Bullet_Wing posted...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

    Sooo, this might be not happening after all

    That says nothing of the sort.

    Bullet isn't known for reading comprehension.
    BLAKUboy posted...
    Bullet_Wing posted...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

    Sooo, this might be not happening after all

    That says nothing of the sort.

    And yeah, that, in conjunction with 
    http://www.businessinsider.com/mattis-vacation-appaulled-trump-trans-ban-2017-7

    Shows he might be having second thoughts after getting his hand slapped. He claimed the trans ban was on the advice of Mattis, whereas most people (now seemingly correctly) assumed it was just an olive branch to his jilted alt right followers.
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    BLAKUboy 1 day ago#489
    Bullet_Wing posted...
    And yeah, that, in conjunction with
    http://www.businessinsider.com/mattis-vacation-appaulled-trump-trans-ban-2017-7

    Shows he might be having second thoughts after getting his hand slapped.

    ...Again
    BLAKUboy posted...
    That says nothing of the sort.
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    s0nicfan 23 hours ago#491
    bretonftw posted...
    CEs_EFG posted...
    bretonftw posted...


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


    Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

    s*** Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


    Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


    Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy
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    Steve Nick 23 hours ago#492
    s0nicfan posted...
    bretonftw posted...
    CEs_EFG posted...
    bretonftw posted...


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


    Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

    s*** Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


    Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


    Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy



    they're not. they're not gonna get deployed.
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    Mark_DeRosa 23 hours ago#493
    Steve Nick posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    bretonftw posted...
    CEs_EFG posted...
    bretonftw posted...


    I replied to that comment saying the study I posted previously from rand shows that they're non-issues when it comes to trans people serving in the military. I'd repost but I'm on my phone.

    Read it. EVERY country that has allowed trans people to serve has reported no issues worth any sort of concern.


    Israel who pretty much has to accept everybody and Canada? Really those are you two prime examples?

    s*** Israel pretty much makes anyone that can hold a rifle a soldier out of necessity, and Canada is Canada you can't compare two small ass armies to one of the largest in the world that's pure stupidity


    Explain how unit cohesion in Canada is somehow different to unit cohesion in the US.


    Explain how deployed soldiers are going to keep up their hormone therapy



    they're not. they're not gonna get deployed.

    So not worth
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    BLAKUboy 23 hours ago#494
    I'm helping.
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    thelovefist 23 hours ago#495
    Can I help too?
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    Caution999 23 hours ago#496
    Get on the Trump Train People
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    Caution999 23 hours ago#497
    "but mUH FEELINGS!!"

    "MUH RUSSIA!"
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    Mandasnake 23 hours ago#498
    Gomma get 500
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    Howl 23 hours ago#499
    Last
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    BLAKUboy 23 hours ago#500
    Caution999 posted...
    Get on the Trump Train People

    But it's on fire. At the bottom of the ocean.
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