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Baffles me why anyone would want to serve under our coward of a Commander in Chief who dodged the draft to begin with.
even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - Franklin
Read through the topic, and wasn't surprised

Your typical apathetic conservatives who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves (and the occasional white Christian male) are fully behind this

and the rest of the people are wondering what the point of it is, because it accomplishes absolutely nothing but ostracizing LGBT, and that's it.
Bullet_Wing posted...
Baffles me why anyone would want to serve under our coward of a Commander in Chief who dodged the draft to begin with.


Because you can still love your country regardless of who its leader is
I'm a peasant.
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7

Literal Navy SEAL who is transgendered and served time in the military speaking out against this.

Keep crying though. I'm sure the transgender boogeyman (or woman) isn't out to get you like Trump wants you believe.
coolboy11 posted...
what is the point of this besides being a comical spiteful move?


virtue signaling to the right wingers, especially the rust belt voters who are likely going to be losing their insurance coverage shortly. Basically gives Trump something he can point to and say "hey, look at what I did for you!" as he repossesses grandma's oxygen tank.
Bullet_Wing posted...
Baffles me why anyone would want to serve under our coward of a Commander in Chief who dodged the draft to begin with.


I was tempted to join the Marines earlier this year (went to the recruiters, got my weight up to par, all my medical papers in) but decided against it at the last second for this very reason
coolboy11 posted...
what is the point of this besides being a comical spiteful move?

Been explained multiple times already.
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#358
sktgamer_13dude posted...

No there wasn't rofl.

Show me where people were b****ing about this before today.


This is stupid you're argument semantics now. Do you have any worthwhile posting? You're also moving goal post like a child

sktgamer_13dude posted...
"HEALTHCARE FOR THE MILITARY IS 53 BILLION! SEE, TRANSGENDERS f*** OVER THE MILITARY BUDGET!"

rofl, that's not showing anything. Literal thousands of dollars for a few people is a drop in the bucket for the military budget. You're implying the costs will be higher than they really will be.


i pretty much broke it down for you in a very very simple and easy to read post and even then you're still b****ing about it for some reason. Can you not comprehend? that's 53B for 9million dude. It's kind of a lot....

sktgamer_13dude posted...
"Hey guys I'm totally not trolling!"

Dude, give me a break. All I said was that anyone who passes the tests should be able to serve. Sorry that upsets you so much.


bruhhh you haven't posted anything worthwhile. You post are so without substance you pretty much have to beg Antifar to come save you since you're such a damsel apparently

Is this you?

LoIioUM
coolboy11 1 day ago#359
OpheliaAdenade posted...
coolboy11 posted...
what is the point of this besides being a comical spiteful move?


virtue signaling to the right wingers, especially the rust belt voters who are likely going to be losing their insurance coverage shortly. Basically gives Trump something he can point to and say "hey, look at what I did for you!" as he repossesses grandma's oxygen tank.

as the orange one would say Sad!
Sigs are boring
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CEs_EFG 1 day ago#361
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Literal Navy SEAL who is transgendered and served time in the military speaking out against this.


this is pretty much "b-b-b-ut... my feelings!"

the post

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Keep crying though. I'm sure the transgender boogeyman (or woman) isn't out to get you like Trump wants you believe.


Right since Trump just banned him/her from the military! f*** YEAH~
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#362
sktgamer_13dude posted...
http://www.businessinsider.com/kristin-beck-trump-transgender-ban-2017-7

Literal Navy SEAL who is transgendered and served time in the military speaking out against this.


also i just want to point out that

Kristin Beck, transgender Navy SEAL hero: 'Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy'

going right for the violence eh? You leftist really are a pathetic bunch
UrethaFranklin posted...
Mentally ill shouldnt have access to guns
Trans in the military

Seems like this is a logical decision.


Wut

You realize that Trump is the one who wants to give everyone access to guns, right? Regardless of their mental situation. 

Like... your post makes no sense
Suchomimus posted...
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

Is it a mental illness or not

It's not a mental illness, it's transgenderism.

That was actually reply from a leftist on this board.
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#366
Antifar 1 day ago#367
CEs_EFG posted...
bruhhh you haven't posted anything worthwhile. You post are so without substance you pretty much have to beg Antifar to come save you since you're such a damsel apparently

Is this you?

Hey @CEs_EFG some fourth grade bully is posting from your account. Keeps talking about making people cry and taking joy in that. Your should change your password, or maybe not let your little brother use your computer, idk.
kin to all that throbs
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#368
Antifar posted...
Hey @CEs_EFG some fourth grade bully is posting from your account. Keeps talking about making people cry and taking joy in that. Your should change your password, or maybe not let your little brother use your computer, idk.


someone is bullying me!

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Thugstar 1 day ago#369
Money is a non issue. If principles cost more money then so be it. Women are less effective in combat than men and can cause distractions too. Should they be banned too? I'm sure there are all kinds of women comforting procedures in the military that all cost extra money. Who cares? It's needed out of principle.
Samurontai posted...
UrethaFranklin posted...
Mentally ill shouldnt have access to guns
Trans in the military

Seems like this is a logical decision.


Wut

You realize that Trump is the one who wants to give everyone access to guns, right? Regardless of their mental situation. 

Like... your post makes no sense


Liberals don't want anyone with mental issues to have guns.
Liberals are literally mad that trans cant have guns in the army.

Never mind the fact trans have a 40% suicide rate.
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#371
Thugstar posted...
Money is a non issue. If principles cost more money then so be it. Women are less effective in combat than men and can cause distractions too. Should they be banned too? I'm sure there are all kinds of women comforting procedures in the military that all cost extra money. Who cares? It's needed out of principle.


They are still testing out women in combat roles....
Antifar 1 day ago#372
CEs_EFG posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Literal Navy SEAL who is transgendered and served time in the military speaking out against this.


this is pretty much "b-b-b-ut... my feelings!"

No, it's somebody whose experience contradicts your claims. Someobdoy who will be personally affected by a law designed to be little more than cruel for the sake of winning over a few marginal Midwestern votes.
kin to all that throbs
UrethaFranklin posted...
Samurontai posted...
UrethaFranklin posted...
Mentally ill shouldnt have access to guns
Trans in the military

Seems like this is a logical decision.


Wut

You realize that Trump is the one who wants to give everyone access to guns, right? Regardless of their mental situation. 

Like... your post makes no sense


Liberals don't want anyone with mental issues to have guns.
Liberals are literally mad that trans cant have guns in the army.

Never mind the fact trans have a 40% suicide rate.


Yes because being transgender is something akin to being a psychopath

"Mental illness" is such a broad term, and idk why you're dumping every mental illness into a single category. It really doesn't help your argument at all
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#374
Antifar posted...
No, it's somebody whose experience contradicts your claims. Someobdoy who will be personally affected by a law designed to be little more than cruel for the sake of winning over a few marginal Midwestern votes.


somebody who resorts right to violence? Someobdoy who is already out of the military and won't be effect by this at all? 

lmaooo try harder
Trump:

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Antifar 1 day ago#376
CEs_EFG posted...
somebody who resorts right to violence?

How else to prove one's worthiness of inclusion in the United States military?
kin to all that throbs
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#377
Antifar posted...

How else to prove one's worthiness of inclusion in the United States military?


Did you just ignore my other post or are you just picking whichever argument you even have a slight chance against?

That's right an ex-Navy Seal wants to beat up a 70 y/o man. I'm sure this is totally worthy
>says my posts have no substance
>your replies to me have been "LOL CRY MORE LIBERALS WE WON"

rofl

Someone is obviously enjoying their summer vacation.
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CEs_EFG 1 day ago#379
sktgamer_13dude posted...
>says my posts have no substance
>your replies to me have been "LOL CRY MORE LIBERALS WE WON"

rofl

Someone is obviously enjoying their summer vacation.


>green texting on gamefaqs
>talking about summer vacation
>too pathetic to even quote my posts

oh man how ass hurt are you over this?

i reallyyy hope you're older than 16 because no grown ass adult should act the way you do
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bretonftw 1 day ago#380
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

Here an actual study. Medical costs would increase by 8.4 million at most and unit cohesion in other armies accepting trans people has been unharmed.

This is a joke. Everyone defending it is a joke.
"Christians cannot be violent, the new testament is completely against it" - darkphoenix181
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

Like, having LGBT in the military literally becomes a non-issue at that point. Supporting what Trumps doing just makes you a s***ty person
Antifar 1 day ago#382
Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

They spend 5 times that on dick pills. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/
kin to all that throbs
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#383
bretonftw posted...
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

Here an actual study. Medical costs would increase by 8.4 million at most and unit cohesion in other armies accepting trans people has been unharmed.

This is a joke. Everyone defending it is a joke.


CEs_EFG posted...
That's insane... 

https://heatst.com/life/gender-reassignment-cost/

According to multiple sources, the price of basic genital reassignment surgery (or genital reconstruction surgery) for a man transitioning to a woman ranges from $7,000 for a simple orchiectomy and vaginoplasty to $25,000 for orchiectomy and the more complicated colovaginoplasty. This is often, but not always, followed up by breast augmentation, which can run anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000. That’s a total average high of $35,000, but estimates for the two procedures combined have ranged from $10,000 to upwards of $50,000.

and not only that, the soldier is not only just getting the surgery. He's getting the base military pay, ridiculous amounts of off time and convalescent leave and also the Soldier won't deploy for longer than a year, and the regular hormone treatments. All this for someone who already has a 40% chance to be more suicidal than anyone else.

Yes it's a waste of money that the military health care budget simply shouldn't even have. Again the budget is 53billion. You can b**** and whine and cry to your mom about how much the military get but insurance for all military, injuries, insurance, behavioral health care, and insurance for their families all come from that 53billion. Which is even crazier considering that the healthcare also effects combat care too. Which means the guys at Fort Sam trying out new tools for combat casualty care get a slice of that pie too. So yes that's an amount of money that simply should not be used


Samurontai posted...
8.1 million is basically pocket change when you take into consideration how much money the military actually gets lol

Like, having LGBT in the military literally becomes a non-issue at that point. Supporting what Trumps doing just makes you a s***ty person

CEs_EFG posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.


Here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#3d1481a52c54

Enlighten yourself 

The $52.5 billion in requested DoD health spending for FY 2012 can be broken down into three parts: $32.2 billion for the Defense Health Program, a.k.a. TRICARE, which provides health care for active-duty service members; $10.7 billion for TRICARE for Life, a Medicare supplemental insurance program for military retirees; and a mish-mash of other stuff, including military hospitals and pay for military health-care workers. Overall, the program covers 9.6 million Americans.


there's a reallyyyy good reason Congress threatens to get rid of military health care overall. Saying some bulls*** like "wow it's only 9.7% of the overall military budget is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. It's not as easy as "Oh let me go borrow some more money from tanks and guns and put into healthcare" it's a huge congress battle that makes a lot of people angry as f***
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#384
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

Just gonna go ahead and fly through to point out that transgender might be a mental disorder and like every mental disorder it barrs you from the military
8 million is literally .015% of 53b. 

You're acting as if this is a major shift in spending. 

I'm sorry that me not quoting you is triggering you so much. I also hope you're not over the age of 16 because your posts are textbook trolling lol.
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#386
sktgamer_13dude posted...
8 million is literally .015% of 53b. 

You're acting as if this is a major shift in spending. 

I'm sorry that me not quoting you is triggering you so much. I also hope you're not over the age of 16 because your posts are textbook trolling lol.


i already told you this number is far higher, and not only that it knocks out the soldier from duty for at least 6 months and makes him undeployable for longer than a year. you're just too ignorant and ignoring my posts, also this is for someone with a 40% chance that they'll end up getting kicked out for suicidal tendencies anyway.

CEs_EFG posted...
That's insane... 

https://heatst.com/life/gender-reassignment-cost/

According to multiple sources, the price of basic genital reassignment surgery (or genital reconstruction surgery) for a man transitioning to a woman ranges from $7,000 for a simple orchiectomy and vaginoplasty to $25,000 for orchiectomy and the more complicated colovaginoplasty. This is often, but not always, followed up by breast augmentation, which can run anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000. That’s a total average high of $35,000, but estimates for the two procedures combined have ranged from $10,000 to upwards of $50,000.

and not only that, the soldier is not only just getting the surgery. He's getting the base military pay, ridiculous amounts of off time and convalescent leave and also the Soldier won't deploy for longer than a year, and the regular hormone treatments. All this for someone who already has a 40% chance to be more suicidal than anyone else.
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How about transgenders who opt not get the surgery or take hormones but just dress as women or men? No health costs there.
I can't believe the average iq dipped again. This is insane
Ammonitida posted...
How about transgenders who opt not get the surgery or take hormones but just dress as women or men? No health costs there.

There's still other risks.
AlternativeFAQS posted...
I can't believe the average iq dipped again. This is insane

Probably because of posts like yours that add nothing to the discussion.
Mmm no hothy. Not quite
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#392
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Mmm no hothy. Not quite


Lennon is hoth? because that's awesome
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Mmm no hothy. Not quite

What have you contributed to this topic?
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Ammonitida posted...
How about transgenders who opt not get the surgery or take hormones but just dress as women or men? No health costs there.

There's still other risks.


Like what? Bigots in the military attacking them?
I thought liberals didn't want people with mental disorders to have access to guns???
Cubs, Rockies, A's, Grizzlies, Bulls, Cowboys, Patriots.
darkprince45 posted...
I thought liberals didn't want people with mental disorders to have access to guns???

You shouldn't being up things like that, since they can be used against you if you just flop the scenario around.
bretonftw 1 day ago#397
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
Ammonitida posted...
How about transgenders who opt not get the surgery or take hormones but just dress as women or men? No health costs there.

There's still other risks.


The study I just posted debunks them all.
"Christians cannot be violent, the new testament is completely against it" - darkphoenix181
s0nicfan 1 day ago#398
Out of sheer curiosity, I'd love to see what percentage of trans people who joined the military did so because the insurance would cover their transition. I imagine getting coverage for the procedure is somewhat rare still and the military may be the lowest barrier for entry.
"History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
s0nicfan posted...
Out of sheer curiosity, I'd love to see what percentage of trans people who joined the military did so because the insurance would cover their transition. I imagine getting coverage for the procedure is somewhat rare still and the military may be the lowest barrier for entry.

My best gues is that it pales in comparison with people who join to get things like free college. 

SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
Mmm no hothy. Not quite

What have you contributed to this topic?

The same can be asked of you. 

darkprince45 posted...
I thought liberals didn't want people with mental disorders to have access to guns???

"I thought conservatives wanted everyone to have guns???"
CEs_EFG 1 day ago#400
bretonftw posted...

The study I just posted debunks them all.


your study debunks the 40% suicide rate and the need of constant hormone supply leading to non-deployability? 

can you pinpoint that to me?
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