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Monday, July 24, 2017

Protesters: "This is what gentrification looks like"

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Nix 1 day ago#1
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/protesters-rip-bullet-holes-wall-decor-brooklyn-restaurant-article-1.3348019

Dozens of protesters turned out in Brooklyn on Saturday to slam the decor of their neighborhood’s newest restaurant.

The owner of Summerhill, who promoted her Crown Heights business by hyping bogus “bullet holes” in the walls and a sketchy past as an illegal gun outlet, was inundated with demonstrators eager to defend their neighborhood.


A restaurant with bullet holes as theme elements.

*shakes head*
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TonyKojima 1 day ago#2
I wonder if the owner is white?
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I got back from a trip to NYC and listened to my friends girlfriend go on a gentrification tirade because she now had to pay extra for pickles at the deli down the street from them. She vented on it for at least a solid 10 minutes. Being a Midwesterner...yeah its strange to pay extra for a pickle. But I find it weirder to get irate about it and tie pickles to a bigger issue like that. It was my first and probably last time in NYC and I don't know if that's just how they are :/
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While it's probably not the best idea for that neighborhood, I can get the idea of the bullet hole gimmick in a place with history like that, but then you add in serving a 40 oz wine in a paper bag? That's kinda f***ed up.
The food here is awful. My steak was so tough, halfway through my meal it got up and attacked my coffee and the coffee was too weak to defend itself.
Why someone would consider bullet hole ridden walls and a forty in a paper bag as worth defending as part of their "culture" is equally absurd.
itcheyness 1 day ago#6
TundraKing87 posted...
Why someone would consider bullet hole ridden walls and a forty in a paper bag as worth defending as part of their "culture" is equally absurd.

I think it stems more from anger that they're making light of serious issues in their community, and basically holding it up for mockery.
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Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.
itcheyness 1 day ago#8
TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.

Golly, you've done it. You've solved inner city violence. If only the communities could hear your wise words. You need to spread your message to the masses.
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TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.


whoa, how much is the rent out on that limb?
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also maybe part of the process of curbing drug and alcohol use and gun violence is discouraging people making light of those very things? sorry I know that's not as hard hitting as "stop gangs" but I'm trying here
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I didn't say me bashing the "hood" would solve the problem. However, folks choosing to use their collective energy and time to bash a restaurant theme when they could be developing a neighborhood watch program, hands on in school mentoring to curb at risk youth from falling into gang life, etc., is worth bashing.
TundraKing87 posted...
folks choosing to...when they could be...

This is very nearly always a bad argument. People have the ability to address multiple issues on multiple fronts and manage their time to be able to act in any number of ways. It's not like the people doing this protest used up their activist allowance for the rest of the year or something.
The food here is awful. My steak was so tough, halfway through my meal it got up and attacked my coffee and the coffee was too weak to defend itself.
TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.


One should always defer to blaming hipsters first and foremost anytime possible. Please do so.
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Spooking 1 day ago#14
Gentrification is a good thing. Fake bullet holes > real ones
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itcheyness 1 day ago#15
Spooking posted...
Gentrification is a good thing. Fake bullet holes > real ones

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/this-is-what-happens-after-a-neighborhood-gets-gentrified/432813/
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Nix 1 day ago#16
itcheyness posted...
TundraKing87 posted...
Why someone would consider bullet hole ridden walls and a forty in a paper bag as worth defending as part of their "culture" is equally absurd.

I think it stems more from anger that they're making light of serious issues in their community, and basically holding it up for mockery.


Iy's be like if some cityfolk made a resturant full of fake opiods, coal dust, and wifi deadzones.
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TimeForAction posted...
I got back from a trip to NYC and listened to my friends girlfriend go on a gentrification tirade because she now had to pay extra for pickles at the deli down the street from them. She vented on it for at least a solid 10 minutes. Being a Midwesterner...yeah its strange to pay extra for a pickle. But I find it weirder to get irate about it and tie pickles to a bigger issue like that. It was my first and probably last time in NYC and I don't know if that's just how they are :/

Having live in two of the top 3 cities (and miami) and have only visited new York, I can safely say the worst part of the city is the people.
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Clearly the reaction to the ill-effects of gentrification is to discourage money from coming into poorer, gang ridden neighborhoods.
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sfcalimari 1 day ago#19
TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.


They probably did, which is why rich people feel safe enough to swoop in and open gimmick restaurants.
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Then who cares? Why is some business owner with a tacky restaurant worth protesting?

...other than to push the victim narrative of "Us vs. The world!" that groups use/exploit to gain influence, power and wealth.
Nitro378 1 day ago#21
TimeForAction posted...
Clearly the reaction to the ill-effects of gentrification is to discourage money from coming into poorer, gang ridden neighborhoods.

Yeah I'm sure a driveby themed restaurant is part of positive change in the community. This owner needs a taste of 'Do The Right Thing', cept in this case it would be justified.
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My neighborhood got better with gentrification. Crime and every negative statistic you can think of is down on the board. Of course, that comes with HUGE price hikes so it's extremely give and take. Sad fact is, many poor people in developed nations tend to be among the least hard working and among the highest crime filled people of society hence why they stay poor all their life. 

No matter where you put them, that wont change so makes sense why businesses are trying to force them out to areas like the suburbs and take control over cities again because those are places meant to boom by design. You can put shops everywhere and also attract more tourists for even more money if your cities are considered safe and attractive by the people that have money to spend.
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YellowSUV 1 day ago#23
Gentrification is fine expect for the fact it can price people out of their own neighborhoods due to rising rents/home costs. It seems really trivial to complain about some tacky decoration in a bar.
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Covenant 1 day ago#24
lovesthejuice posted...
also maybe part of the process of curbing drug and alcohol use and gun violence is discouraging people making light of those very things?

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TonyKojima posted...
I wonder if the owner is white?

Even worse, she's Canadian.
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BewmHedshot posted...
TonyKojima posted...
I wonder if the owner is white?

Even worse, she's Canadian.


Canadians are nice. SHE'S A FRAUD!
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TundraKing87 23 hours ago#28
Post #25?
dermoratraken 22 hours ago#29
Protesters are just mad they didn't think of this first and monetize it themselves.
No2Wookie 22 hours ago#30
itcheyness posted...
TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids have sex without condoms. Stop AIDs. Etc.

Golly, you've done it. You've solved unwed mothers. If only the communities could hear your wise words. You need to spread your message to the masses.


Fixed for...I'm not really sure what I was trying to accomplish with this but it's amusing to me.
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TonyKojima 22 hours ago#31
Gentrification is an disgusting practice.
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Nix 12 hours ago#32
Gentrification is bad because it can't be market driven and work out well. The market wants to do it fast and this is disruptive, pushing working families into poorer areas. It has to be managed ad there's less money in that.
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TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.

They ARE trying to do that, and succeeded immensely. Otherwise, the neighborhood wouldn't have gotten gentrified in the first place. So it doesn't help that outsiders are coming in to make light of a past painful history.
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Nix 8 hours ago#34
Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.

They ARE trying to do that, and succeeded immensely. Otherwise, the neighborhood wouldn't have gotten gentrified in the first place. So it doesn't help that outsiders are coming in to make light of a past painful history.



Crown Heights is a lot better that it used to be.
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Bloodychess 8 hours ago#35
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TundraKing87 posted...
Then perhaps the community should try and stop that stereotype from applying to them. Don't let your kids sell drugs. Stop gangs. Etc.


How the hell is a single mom supposed to do that AND work a full time job while living by her bootstraps like Conservatives demand? If she doesn't have an aunt, sister, or grandma to watch them, then she's going to have some latchkey kids.
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TimeForAction 6 hours ago#37
Bloodychess posted...
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lol
ShroomKingJr 6 hours ago#38
Legit homeowners priced out of the Florida coast to make way for hotels? FREE MARKET!

Crackheads forced to smoke crack somewhere else to make room for businesses? MUH GENTRIFICATION!

smh
Nix 5 hours ago#39
The problem isn't white people moving in or out.

The problem is who they sell to when they leave and who buys when they come back.

The sales rarely help working and middle class families if not developed by the city/county.
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Pudendal 5 hours ago#40
I find this hilarious
LuigisBro 5 hours ago#41
Bloodychess posted...
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its funny cause its true, they also complain about lack of jobs and investment in these kind of neighborhoods, but this is what always happens when somebody tries to open a business
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Nix 5 hours ago#42
LuigisBro posted...
Bloodychess posted...
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its funny cause its true, they also complain about lack of jobs and investment in these kind of neighborhoods, but this is what always happens when somebody tries to open a business


It's not true 


The complaint is that when (the second wave of) whites leave an area they sell to bums and people who don't bring any value to the area. Then when the gentrifiers come, they don't care if the old residents are priced out. Often pushing middle class people to live back with the bums and criminals

The gentrification buyers don't bring businesses for the current residents, only the future ones until local government forces them to.

Essentially the middle class and working minorities can rarely ever move away from the "hood".
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LuigisBro 2 hours ago#43
Nix posted...
It's not true 

The complaint is that when (the second wave of) whites leave an area they sell to bums and people who don't bring any value to the area. Then when the gentrifiers come, they don't care if the old residents are priced out. Often pushing middle class people to live back with the bums and criminals

The gentrification buyers don't bring businesses for the current residents, only the future ones until local government forces them to.

Essentially the middle class and working minorities can rarely ever move away from the "hood".


yeah sure keep on believing this bs, this kind of logic is not surprising coming from people who think that its bad to have your property value go up
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Lordgold666 1 hour ago#44
Lol @ not having something better to do on a saturday in nyc
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