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How can the law distinguish trans people from cis people pretending to be trans?

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I-NE-IV 3 weeks ago#1
It's now an offense in Canada to discriminate against trans people, including by misgendering them. In the hypothetical case that a person's status as trans (as opposed to a cis person pretending to be trans) needed to be established legally, how would that be done? Is there some objective way to tell?
I-NE-IV 3 weeks ago#2
Uh, ahem.
Leviathan412 3 weeks ago#3
DNA test
I-NE-IV 3 weeks ago#4
Leviathan412 posted...
DNA test

Not quite what I'm getting at, friend.
tl0_olt 3 weeks ago#5
get consent to look at genitals
I-NE-IV 3 weeks ago#6
tl0_olt posted...
get consent to look at genitals

Also not what I'm getting at, pal.
Porunga 3 weeks ago#7
Is people pretending to be trans even a thing?
I-NE-IV 3 weeks ago#8
Porunga posted...
Is people pretending to be trans even a thing?

It's a thing. Not common but there are reported cases. Either way, any ideas?
BilalPowell 3 weeks ago#9
It can't.
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Iwantedzero 3 weeks ago#10
I guess the same way it distinguishes sexually assaulted women from women pretending to be sexual assaulted.
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-Kicksave- 3 weeks ago#11
Or straight people pretending to be gay?

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darkjedilink 3 weeks ago#12
Iwantedzero posted...
I guess the same way it distinguishes sexually assaulted women from women pretending to be sexual assaulted.

So, send the accused to prison, then years later release him when the accuser recants, despite ruining a man's life?

Seems fair.
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hollow_shrine 3 weeks ago#13
You don't need to distinguish between them. You just need to arrest people who are creeping on others in bathrooms.
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TheTrueAmerican 3 weeks ago#14
Porunga posted...
Is people pretending to be trans even a thing?


The term is "transtrender" for those not in the know. It's sadly becoming a common thing for attention seekers. Real trans people are getting pushed aside so some narcissist can get their jollies.
Dwavenhobble 3 weeks ago#15
There isn't one.

That's the problem.

This is just what professor Jordan Peterson was arguing and people refused to listen because "Trans rightz r importentz" because apparently people can't make the distinction between Trans people and Non Binary nonsense from people who want t wear their gender and an every changing fashion statement.

Porunga posted...
Is people pretending to be trans even a thing?

You've not met Tumblr have you

http://genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender

Best of luck remembering all those genders now. some of which change based on the weather or a persons mood or the day of the week lol
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Sylph 3 weeks ago#16
I don't know about a way to decide who is trans or not, but if you are far enough into transition to be in those spaces, you are far enough in to have properly changed identification. That is the credentials that I would go by, as a trans woman myself.
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HiddenLurker 3 weeks ago#17
tl0_olt posted...
get consent to look at genitals

Not feasible. A few people here defend a full biological male as trans. They even went as far as to refer to the "trans" c*** as female.
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PraetorXyn 3 weeks ago#18
BilalPowell posted...
It can't.

This
Iwantedzero posted...
I guess the same way it distinguishes sexually assaulted women from women pretending to be sexual assaulted.

Which is to say not at all in and of itself, sometimes other evidence just proved the accusation false, usually after students have already been expelled and branded a rapist by public opinion.
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CherryTsundere 3 weeks ago#19
"So to answer your question as to who is covered by this anti-discrimination law (although most Canadians refer to it as the Human Rights Act, not some measly law), the answer is “Whoever can convince a judge and jury that it ought to cover them”.

If a cis person could argue their case well enough, the Human Rights Act would protect them. If a gender conforming man can argue his case well enough, the Human Rights Act will cover him too.

This is not about proving that you are trans and then automatically getting the court to rule in your favour.

OP seems to be a bit obsessed with how you can “prove” that something is a criminal anti-trans discrimination. You do so by making a convincing argument in front of a court, the same way you would prove someone is guilty of any other crime."

https://www.quora.com/Who-is-covered-by-Canadas-anti-discrimination-law-regarding-transgender-people-and-the-use-of-their-preferred-names-pronouns-etc
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CherryTsundere 3 weeks ago#20
Also this topic makes no sense if someone discriminates you on the base of being trans, than thats illegal wether you actually are trans or not.
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