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Didn't he say he would support the lgbt?
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Great news. This stuff causes disruption in the military and could cost lives.
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The medical costs would be outlandish. Sorry to say.
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b-but muh trump holding the lgbt flag
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LightningAce11 posted...
Didn't he say he would support the lgbt? Yes. He just didn't specify he would in the military. |
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also, I was on the first page
just because this is a 500 explosive controversy topic in the making *grabs popcorn*
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If I were trans and wanted to serve my country Id join anyway. What are they going to do arrest me for trying to serve? How un-american of them.
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Non-issue.
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Which medical costs?
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why would he even tweet that
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FrenchCrunch posted...
why would he even tweet that something to distract from his slowly collapsing administration
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emblem boy posted...
Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else
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FrenchCrunch posted...
why would he even tweet that To be transparent. Get it?
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The Admiral posted...
Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism |
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Mark_DeRosa posted...
emblem boy posted...Which medical costs? Considering the outlandish amount of money that's given to the army, surely this wouldn't be an issue?
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Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer.
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Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism.
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LightningAce11 posted...
Not at all, no. But we need to build more multi-million dollar bombs and aircraft carriers we never use instead of maintaining our military personnel, I guess.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer. This isn't gonna fly in today's snowflake society. Everything has to be fair and even steven!!!!! Someone remind these snowflakes that life isn't fair.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer. Screw the issues, if you want to be discriminatory the army isn't the place for it. It should be all-inclusive.
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It's the f***ing army. It's not at war to the point they're conscripting people.
They can be as picky as they want. |
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LightningAce11 posted...
Mark_DeRosa posted...emblem boy posted...Which medical costs? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The medical costs for the extreme minority of transgendered servicemen should just be a drop in the ocean of funding that the military is given. |
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LightningAce11 posted...
Mark_DeRosa posted...emblem boy posted...Which medical costs? Last I checked military has been downsizing and starting to become a lot more old school. This is my last month so I'm good. But I heard next range there will be no barracks, everyone sleeps outside in half shelters. To train like the old ways and save money Army is going back to old school kill mentality way
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So, when are the camps going to be installed?
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FrenchCrunch posted...
why would he even tweet that he doesn't want to get reelected? virtue signaling to the right wingers? :u stupidity? take your pick. but I don't really disagree with this, just from an efficacy point of view. It is an unnecessary burden on the troops. Numerous other medical reasons exempt you from serving in the military, including our president elect's unfortunate bone spurs that exempted him from the draft, so I don't think it is that outlandish for transgenderism to prevent people from serving. I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. |
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So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here .
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This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming.
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This part actually makes sense tho:
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period.
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Antifar posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. Wait I thought the policy just means they can't transition while in the military?
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cjsdowg posted...
So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here . A coward for a leader, oh, how America have fallen, how did you people let this buffoon win the presidency?
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Antifar posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. |
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Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. 
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Kitepitou posted...
cjsdowg posted...So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here . Do you not know of all the accusations of him conspiring with Russia? Russia heavily pushed him to winning.
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Iodine posted...
Antifar posted...OpheliaAdenade posted...I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. No theyre BANNED. Just like gays were. If you say you think you should be the other gender its a discharge.
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Iodine posted...
Antifar posted...OpheliaAdenade posted...I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. Trump's exact words are "The United States government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity." If the policy differs from those words, that would be good to know, but his words say nothing about transitioning.
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voldothegr8 posted...
Malcolm_Caradoc posted...This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. I love how people equate calling out with crying when it comes to Trump.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. That is the implication of his tweets. It would not be unheard of for his tweets to differ from reality, but these don't even look like they were written by him.
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Antifar posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. I mean.. that wouldn't even make sense. How would you even know someone was transgender to begin with unless you asked them? Are they going to give people tests or something before they join? :u Jesus. |
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DrizztLink posted...The Admiral posted...
Non-issue.
of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism
Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about.- The Admiral(edited 2 days ago)Man, I'm speechless.spritual powah will never die
Don't be shy to drop a PM to me, I'm always open for conversation.Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.N/AOh look some jerk tagged me like normal
Ideally nobody would enlist but it's supposed to be accessible to all citizens and isn't so it's like. If somebody wants to sign up and get paid to go overseas and kill poor people in the interest of our nation's financial sector, isn't this the perfect way to do it? To let trans people be the ones risking everything instead of good ol all american whitey mcgee?
The answer is simple. They don't want to treat lgbt people as people and especially not if it means they can become a hero.
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I don't give a s*** if someone is tramsgensered. It's considered a mental disorder though and that would bar them from deployment, probably reinelistment, maybe even get them kicked out due to mental issues
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Another big issue people keep bringing up is.. a guy can't pass male PT standards so he would transition to a woman for easier standard.
If you look at the recent Ranger class that first allowed Women this year. They were allowed special advantages that men didn't have and extra training, extra retries for failed events(which men don't get)
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Pretty much, he doesn't want them to die. I'd say that's pretty nice of him.thelovefist posted...Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves.Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020
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Most LGBT-friendly president ever!!!!!!
Pretty much, he doesn't want them to die. I'd say that's pretty nice of him.
And the GOP used to think that gay people were just too precious to risk in combat. :o Hence, don't ask don't tell.How much are these medical costs?
Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different.Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1The Admiral posted...DrizztLink posted...
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Non-issue.
of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism
Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about.
This suggests 15,000 currently serving
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YOU CAN'T HINDER THE JINDER!!!!!Antifar posted...The Admiral posted...
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The Admiral posted...
Non-issue.
of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism
Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about.
This suggests 15,000 currently serving
http://www.transequality.org/issues/military-veterans
Which is pro-LBGT horses***. That would mean the military has rates of transgenderism that is more than 10x the population average.- The AdmiralAntifar posted...
This suggests 15,000 currently serving
That page states:
It’s estimated that over 134,000 American veterans are transgender, and over 15,000 trans people are serving in military today.
What is the source?The Admiral posted...DrizztLink posted...
The Admiral posted...
Non-issue.
of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism
Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about.
It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php
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This suggests 15,000 currently serving
That page states:
It’s estimated that over 134,000 American veterans are transgender, and over 15,000 trans people are serving in military today.
What is the source?
Wishful thinking.- The Admiralgunplagirl posted...thelovefist posted...
Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhataboutismN/Avoldothegr8 posted...Malcolm_Caradoc posted...
This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming.
Jesus I hate you people. It was WRONG when you banned blacks and whites from serving together in same unit. It was WRONG when you banned gays. IT'S WRONG today for all the same reasons. Every time you've said the same f***ing thing, "We cant let blacks and whites serve together because it will affect unit cohesion, we cant let gays serve because unit cohesion, we cant let trans serve because unit cohesion!" Why cant you look at the pattern of history and realize YOU'RE WRONG?
People dont want trans in the military because theyre prejudiced against trans, end of story. Youre sick, hateful people who think it's a psychiatric condition when it isnt! f*** Trump and everyone who makes attack helicopter jokes.M.tremain07 posted...Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism.
If their not phisically up to the standard then they shouldn't be allowed to join. It doesn't matter what parts you haveOne bourbon,one scotch,one beerthelovefist posted...Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression.i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php
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Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different.
Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration.Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020
IGN: VanessaI'm p conservative but honestly even I can't figure out the logic behind this.Sayoria posted...thelovefist posted...
Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_biasN/Agunplagirl posted...emblem boy posted...
How much are these medical costs?
Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different.
Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration.
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thelovefist posted...Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
N/ASayoria posted...It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.
Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.
People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.- The AdmiralThe Admiral posted...Sayoria posted...
It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.
Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.
People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.
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Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression.
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I actually agree with the admiral for once. >_> what is the world coming to.Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory
what happened to defeating ISIS in his first 100 daysvoldothegr8 posted...Preach!
Make sure you wipe your mouth afterwards.I got nothingMark_DeRosa posted...gunplagirl posted...
emblem boy posted...
How much are these medical costs?
Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different.
Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration.
You should apply this thought backwards. Anything the military does is going to cost more
I worked in medical billing. The military might take ages to get you coverage through the VA but for any sort of specialist, they'll spare no expense and usually save money because they pull so much weight. Getting costs down is the primary function of insurance.Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020
IGN: VanessaThe Admiral posted...Sayoria posted...
It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.
Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.
People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.
This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. I want proof that this is a problem within the military.
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thelovefist posted...
Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
You're so incredibly dense at times
"I have nothing so I am just going to insult you"N/Athelovefist posted...Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
Show me WHERE in the DSM it's considered a psychiatric disorder lovefist. Show me ANY of the evidence. All the evidence goes in the OPPOSITE direction, that it's something people are born with and can't change, but here you are spreading misinfo. Maybe cause youre uninformed, maybe because youve got an agenda, but either way, you're SUPER s***ty for stigmatizing transgender people for literally no f***ing reason by suggesting they're naturally violent. You have NOTHING to rest that assumption on.M.Lol @ Trump thinking that this is at all something he should be spending time and effort on...I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister.OpheliaAdenade posted...The Admiral posted...
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality. Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.
I actually agree with the admiral for once. >_> what is the world coming to.
It's what happens when he actually states his point in a civil and educational manner.
Something I wish he'd do more often, but this board is a cesspool so he doesn't bother."I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_IISo, will existing members of the military get discharged? Will they continue to receive VA benefits?Sayoria posted...This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm.
What does this medical condition do if you're stationed in a place where you don't have access to hormone treatments for six months?- The Admiral(edited 2 days ago)Malcolm_Caradoc posted...thelovefist posted...
Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others.
Show me WHERE in the DSM it's considered a psychiatric disorder lovefist. Show me ANY of the evidence. All the evidence goes in the OPPOSITE direction, that it's something people are born with and can't change, but here you are spreading misinfo. Maybe cause youre uninformed, maybe because youve got an agenda, but either way, you're SUPER s***ty for stigmatizing transgender people for literally no f***ing reason by suggesting they're naturally violent. You have NOTHING to rest that assumption on.
http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596.dsm14N/AMark_DeRosa posted...emblem boy posted...
Which medical costs?
If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else
this, it's disgusting how much the military was about to pay for all of ittremain07 posted...voldothegr8 posted...
Preach!
Make sure you wipe your mouth afterwards.
Yeah I wouldn't want to waste a single drop of your life sustaining tears. Soooo good.Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2)
Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FEIgnorant f*** s***posts about things he knows nothing about...
...Only he's also the president, and his example inspires others to contribute to the s***storm.
Sayoria posted...What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression.
That's because, just like stats about transwomen assaulting little girls in bathrooms, they don't exist.https://i.imgtc.com/72JF7CA.jpg (by mark2000)
14 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017tremain07 posted...Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism.
This is complete horses***"That man practices Islam. Are you happy he was taken out since according to you he believes what terrorists do?" -VipaGTS to meSayoria posted...The Admiral posted...
Sayoria posted...
It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.
Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.
People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.
This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. I want proof that this is a problem within the military.
Again as a resident and civilian of this nation, it is my (and anyone else's) right to fight to protect the freedoms of the country. (Well, the freedoms we used to have now apparently)
I can pull up like 5articles and 2 phone numbers of former spec ops or marines who transitioned afterwards.
And one of those numbers is of a close friend and she still trains with guns weekly.Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020
IGN: VanessaThe Admiral posted...Sayoria posted...
It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.
I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration.
You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.
Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.
People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different.
This post was very well made. Can't argue with this one....I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred.I got nothing- Boards
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