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Antifar 2 days ago#1 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump kin to all that throbs

Metua 2 days ago#2 Most LGBT-friendly president ever!!!!!! http://i.imgur.com/yKMR7.png http://i.imgur.com/WWCd7FL.gif

LightningAce11 2 days ago#3 Didn't he say he would support the lgbt? "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II

k darkfire 2 days ago#4 Great news. This stuff causes disruption in the military and could cost lives.

Caution999 2 days ago#5 The medical costs would be outlandish. Sorry to say. "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia

Zero_Destroyer 2 days ago#6 b-but muh trump holding the lgbt flag Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)

Coolppl Owns 2 days ago#7 The tolerant right _.-=/Got Coolppl?\=-._ =-._\Got Coolppl?/_.-=

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Vertania 2 days ago#9 LightningAce11 posted... Didn't he say he would support the lgbt? Yes. He just didn't specify he would in the military.

Zero_Destroyer 2 days ago#10 also, I was on the first page  just because this is a 500 explosive controversy topic in the making *grabs popcorn* Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)

thelovefist 2 days ago#11 @gunplagirl N/A

Duncanwii 2 days ago#12 If I were trans and wanted to serve my country Id join anyway. What are they going to do arrest me for trying to serve? How un-american of them. This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Fire Red and Pearl.

The Admiral 2 days ago#13 Non-issue. - The Admiral

emblem boy 2 days ago#14 Which medical costs? Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1

FrenchCrunch 2 days ago#15 why would he even tweet that

Zero_Destroyer 2 days ago#16 FrenchCrunch posted... why would he even tweet that something to distract from his slowly collapsing administration Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)

Mark_DeRosa 2 days ago#17 emblem boy posted... Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else Steve Nash | 13| Phoenix Suns | PPG: 16.9 | RPG: 3.60 | APG 11.3 | EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif

Spooking 2 days ago#18 FrenchCrunch posted... why would he even tweet that To be transparent.  Get it? Prism Ranger (Red): Isn't it obvious? We don't have any friends! Disgaea: Hour of Darkness (edited 2 days ago)

DrizztLink 2 days ago#19 The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif

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apocalyptic_4 2 days ago#22 The Admiral posted... liberals PSN: Adrian396 XBL: Prime Legacy Nintendo ID: Apocalypse

LightningAce11 2 days ago#23 Mark_DeRosa posted... emblem boy posted... Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else Considering the outlandish amount of money that's given to the army, surely this wouldn't be an issue? "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II

Trigg3rH4ppy 2 days ago#24 Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer. ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.png

tremain07 2 days ago#25 Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism. I got nothing

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Zero_Destroyer 2 days ago#27 LightningAce11 posted... Considering the outlandish amount of money that's given to the army, surely this wouldn't be an issue? Not at all, no. But we need to build more multi-million dollar bombs and aircraft carriers we never use instead of maintaining our military personnel, I guess. Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)

Caution999 2 days ago#28 Trigg3rH4ppy posted... Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer. This isn't gonna fly in today's snowflake society. Everything has to be fair and even steven!!!!! Someone remind these snowflakes that life isn't fair. "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia

Duncanwii 2 days ago#29 Trigg3rH4ppy posted... Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer. Screw the issues, if you want to be discriminatory the army isn't the place for it. It should be all-inclusive. This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Fire Red and Pearl.

X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 2 days ago#30 It's the f***ing army. It's not at war to the point they're conscripting people. They can be as picky as they want.

Solar_Crimson 2 days ago#31 LightningAce11 posted... Mark_DeRosa posted... emblem boy posted... Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else Considering the outlandish amount of money that's given to the army, surely this wouldn't be an issue? Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The medical costs for the extreme minority of transgendered servicemen should just be a drop in the ocean of funding that the military is given. http://i.imgur.com/wKOoZkP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mipFVFw.png http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson

Mark_DeRosa 2 days ago#32 LightningAce11 posted... Mark_DeRosa posted... emblem boy posted... Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else Considering the outlandish amount of money that's given to the army, surely this wouldn't be an issue? Last I checked military has been downsizing and starting to become a lot more old school. This is my last month so I'm good. But I heard next range there will be no barracks, everyone sleeps outside in half shelters. To train like the old ways and save money  Army is going back to old school kill mentality way Steve Nash | 13| Phoenix Suns | PPG: 16.9 | RPG: 3.60 | APG 11.3 | EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif

Sayoria 2 days ago#33 So, when are the camps going to be installed? i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

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Kitepitou 2 days ago#35 "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions." FemShep - Mass Effect 2.

OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#36 FrenchCrunch posted... why would he even tweet that he doesn't want to get reelected? virtue signaling to the right wingers? :u stupidity? take your pick.  but I don't really disagree with this, just from an efficacy point of view. It is an unnecessary burden on the troops. Numerous other medical reasons exempt you from serving in the military, including our president elect's unfortunate bone spurs that exempted him from the draft, so I don't think it is that outlandish for transgenderism to prevent people from serving.  I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

cjsdowg 2 days ago#37 So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here . Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?

Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#38 This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. M.

Iodine 2 days ago#39 This part actually makes sense tho: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFqgjpdVwAE5EPk.jpg:large In Belichick we Trust (edited 2 days ago)

Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#40 OpheliaAdenade posted... I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period. kin to all that throbs

Iodine 2 days ago#41 Antifar posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period. Wait I thought the policy just means they can't transition while in the military? In Belichick we Trust

Kitepitou 2 days ago#42 cjsdowg posted... So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here . A coward for a leader, oh, how America have fallen, how did you people let this buffoon win the presidency? "I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions." FemShep - Mass Effect 2.

OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#43 Antifar posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period. Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

voldothegr8 2 days ago#44 Malcolm_Caradoc posted... This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2)  Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE

Sayoria 2 days ago#45 Kitepitou posted... cjsdowg posted... So someone who dodges Vietnam is going after those who willingly put their life on the line to protect the nation. I wonder who the Right will side with here . A coward for a leader, oh, how America have fallen, how did you people let this buffoon win the presidency? Do you not know of all the accusations of him conspiring with Russia? Russia heavily pushed him to winning. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#46 Iodine posted... Antifar posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period. Wait I thought the policy just means they can't transition while in the military? No theyre BANNED. Just like gays were. If you say you think you should be the other gender its a discharge. M.

Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#47 Iodine posted... Antifar posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... I mean... if you want to serve and you're transgender, why not just transition after your military career is over? Then there wouldn't be any fuss about it. This policy means they can't serve, period. Wait I thought the policy just means they can't transition while in the military? Trump's exact words are "The United States government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity."  If the policy differs from those words, that would be good to know, but his words say nothing about transitioning. kin to all that throbs

cjsdowg 2 days ago#48 voldothegr8 posted... Malcolm_Caradoc posted... This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. I love how people equate calling out with crying when it comes to Trump. Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?

Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#49 OpheliaAdenade posted... Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. That is the implication of his tweets. It would not be unheard of for his tweets to differ from reality, but these don't even look like they were written by him. kin to all that throbs

OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#50 Antifar posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... Even if they only identify as the other gender but willingly conforms to the expectations of their biological sex in all military aspects? :/ If so, then yea, this is pretty awful. That is the implication of his tweets. It would not be unheard of for his tweets to differ from reality, but these don't even look like they were written by him. I mean.. that wouldn't even make sense. How would you even know someone was transgender to begin with unless you asked them? Are they going to give people tests or something before they join? :u Jesus. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

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   The Admiral 2 days ago#51 DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. - The Admiral (edited 2 days ago)

   PostCrisisJ2 2 days ago#52 Man, I'm speechless. spritual powah will never die Don't be shy to drop a PM to me, I'm always open for conversation.

   thelovefist 2 days ago#53 Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. N/A

   gunplagirl 2 days ago#54 Oh look some jerk tagged me like normal Ideally nobody would enlist but it's supposed to be accessible to all citizens and isn't so it's like. If somebody wants to sign up and get paid to go overseas and kill poor people in the interest of our nation's financial sector, isn't this the perfect way to do it? To let trans people be the ones risking everything instead of good ol all american whitey mcgee? The answer is simple. They don't want to treat lgbt people as people and especially not if it means they can become a hero. This is virtue signaling by the right and pathetic. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

   Mark_DeRosa 2 days ago#55 I think a lot of people here are coming from an uninformed position are getting outraged over nothing I don't give a s*** if someone is tramsgensered. It's considered a mental disorder though and that would bar them from deployment, probably reinelistment, maybe even get them kicked out due to mental issues Money wise Another big issue people keep bringing up is.. a guy can't pass male PT standards so he would transition to a woman for easier standard.  If you look at the recent Ranger class that first allowed Women this year. They were allowed special advantages that men didn't have and extra training, extra retries for failed events(which men don't get) At the end of the day it's a military designed to kill America's enemies. Can't have mental disorders and lax standards Steve Nash | 13| Phoenix Suns | PPG: 16.9 | RPG: 3.60 | APG 11.3 | EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif (edited 2 days ago)

   tremain07 2 days ago#56 It's only Wednesday, the real stupid out of Trump's mouth is always just before the weekend, don't be speechless I got nothing

   gatorsPENSbucs 2 days ago#57 Metua posted... Most LGBT-friendly president ever!!!!!! Pretty much, he doesn't want them to die. I'd say that's pretty nice of him. http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg

   gunplagirl 2 days ago#58 thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

   OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#59 gatorsPENSbucs posted... Metua posted... Most LGBT-friendly president ever!!!!!! Pretty much, he doesn't want them to die. I'd say that's pretty nice of him. And the GOP used to think that gay people were just too precious to risk in combat. :o Hence, don't ask don't tell. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

   emblem boy 2 days ago#60 How much are these medical costs?  Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different. Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1

   Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#61 The Admiral posted... DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. This suggests 15,000 currently serving http://www.transequality.org/issues/military-veterans kin to all that throbs

   Bluebomber182 2 days ago#62 and yet we allow a mentally ill man like trump be potus @Mark_DeRosa WWE Champ The Maharaja Jinder Mahal YOU CAN'T HINDER THE JINDER!!!!!

   The Admiral 2 days ago#63 Antifar posted... The Admiral posted... DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. This suggests 15,000 currently serving http://www.transequality.org/issues/military-veterans Which is pro-LBGT horses***. That would mean the military has rates of transgenderism that is more than 10x the population average. - The Admiral

   X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 2 days ago#64 Antifar posted... This suggests 15,000 currently serving That page states: It’s estimated that over 134,000 American veterans are transgender, and over 15,000 trans people are serving in military today. What is the source?

   Sayoria 2 days ago#65 The Admiral posted... DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred people. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window.  I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

   The Admiral 2 days ago#66 X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted... Antifar posted... This suggests 15,000 currently serving That page states: It’s estimated that over 134,000 American veterans are transgender, and over 15,000 trans people are serving in military today. What is the source? Wishful thinking. - The Admiral

   thelovefist 2 days ago#67 gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism N/A

   Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#68 voldothegr8 posted... Malcolm_Caradoc posted... This has made me more angry than I would have guessed. This hurts. This actually hurts. My anger, my hate for Trump and all conservatives who support this right now is overwhelming. Jesus I hate you people. It was WRONG when you banned blacks and whites from serving together in same unit. It was WRONG when you banned gays. IT'S WRONG today for all the same reasons. Every time you've said the same f***ing thing, "We cant let blacks and whites serve together because it will affect unit cohesion, we cant let gays serve because unit cohesion, we cant let trans serve because unit cohesion!" Why cant you look at the pattern of history and realize YOU'RE WRONG? People dont want trans in the military because theyre prejudiced against trans, end of story. Youre sick, hateful people who think it's a psychiatric condition when it isnt! f*** Trump and everyone who makes attack helicopter jokes. M.

   YourDrunkFather 2 days ago#69 tremain07 posted... Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism. If their not phisically up to the standard then they shouldn't be allowed to join. It doesn't matter what parts you have One bourbon,one scotch,one beer

   Sayoria 2 days ago#70 thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

   gunplagirl 2 days ago#71 emblem boy posted... How much are these medical costs?  Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different. Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

   DevsBro 2 days ago#72 I'm p conservative but honestly even I can't figure out the logic behind this. http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn

   thelovefist 2 days ago#73 Sayoria posted... thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias N/A

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   Mark_DeRosa 2 days ago#75 gunplagirl posted... emblem boy posted... How much are these medical costs?  Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different. Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration. You should apply this thought backwards. Anything the military does is going to cost more Steve Nash | 13| Phoenix Suns | PPG: 16.9 | RPG: 3.60 | APG 11.3 | EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif

   thelovefist 2 days ago#76 DevsBro posted... I'm p conservative but honestly even I can't figure out the logic behind this. thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. N/A

   The Admiral 2 days ago#77 Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. - The Admiral

   Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#78 https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/890202683721863168 kin to all that throbs

   voldothegr8 2 days ago#79 The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. Preach! Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2)  Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE

   Sayoria 2 days ago#80 thelovefist posted... Sayoria posted... thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias You know, maybe we should euthanize all dangerous animals in the wild. Never know when one will run into society and just attack a city. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

   OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#81 The Admiral posted... You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality. Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. I actually agree with the admiral for once. >_> what is the world coming to. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

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   Freddie_Mercury 2 days ago#83 Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory what happened to defeating ISIS in his first 100 days I'm a sex machine ready to reload... http://i.imgur.com/7GPFCqY.gifv http://i.imgur.com/bfxtwGf.jpg

   tremain07 2 days ago#84 voldothegr8 posted... Preach! Make sure you wipe your mouth afterwards. I got nothing

   gunplagirl 2 days ago#85 Mark_DeRosa posted... gunplagirl posted... emblem boy posted... How much are these medical costs?  Someone wanting to join so that they have the chance for their surgery eventually being paid for doesn't really bother me. Many many people join the military for financial reasons such as the bonuses and college tuition payment, and I don't think people have an issue with that. There are currently monetary reasons for joining, and this would be no different. Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration. You should apply this thought backwards. Anything the military does is going to cost more I worked in medical billing. The military might take ages to get you coverage through the VA but for any sort of specialist, they'll spare no expense and usually save money because they pull so much weight. Getting costs down is the primary function of insurance. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

   Sayoria 2 days ago#86 The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. I want proof that this is a problem within the military. Again as a resident and civilian of this nation, it is my (and anyone else's) right to fight to protect the freedoms of the country. (Well, the freedoms we used to have now apparently) i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

   thelovefist 2 days ago#87 gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... gunplagirl posted... thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. Literally half my friends list on Facebook has guns. See, the people who need guns most are minorities like trans women who need to be able to protect themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism You're so incredibly dense at times "I have nothing so I am just going to insult you" N/A

   Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#88 thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. Show me WHERE in the DSM it's considered a psychiatric disorder lovefist. Show me ANY of the evidence. All the evidence goes in the OPPOSITE direction, that it's something people are born with and can't change, but here you are spreading misinfo. Maybe cause youre uninformed, maybe because youve got an agenda, but either way, you're SUPER s***ty for stigmatizing transgender people for literally no f***ing reason by suggesting they're naturally violent. You have NOTHING to rest that assumption on. M.

   Sativa_Rose 2 days ago#89 Lol @ Trump thinking that this is at all something he should be spending time and effort on... I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister.

   LightningAce11 2 days ago#90 OpheliaAdenade posted... The Admiral posted... You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality. Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. I actually agree with the admiral for once. >_> what is the world coming to. It's what happens when he actually states his point in a civil and educational manner. Something I wish he'd do more often, but this board is a cesspool so he doesn't bother. "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II

   treewojima 2 days ago#91 So, will existing members of the military get discharged? Will they continue to receive VA benefits?

   The Admiral 2 days ago#92 Sayoria posted... This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. What does this medical condition do if you're stationed in a place where you don't have access to hormone treatments for six months? - The Admiral (edited 2 days ago)

   thelovefist 2 days ago#93 Malcolm_Caradoc posted... thelovefist posted... Since most current evidence suggests that most of those that are transgender suffer from the psychiatric disorder gender dysphoria, it seems reasonable to limit their ability to access weapons that can harm themselves or others. Show me WHERE in the DSM it's considered a psychiatric disorder lovefist. Show me ANY of the evidence. All the evidence goes in the OPPOSITE direction, that it's something people are born with and can't change, but here you are spreading misinfo. Maybe cause youre uninformed, maybe because youve got an agenda, but either way, you're SUPER s***ty for stigmatizing transgender people for literally no f***ing reason by suggesting they're naturally violent. You have NOTHING to rest that assumption on. http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596.dsm14 N/A

   CEs_EFG 2 days ago#94 Mark_DeRosa posted... emblem boy posted... Which medical costs? If I recall correctly. I just had a transgender class at the range two months ago. Army would pay for gender reassignment therapy, doctors, and everything else this, it's disgusting how much the military was about to pay for all of it http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

   voldothegr8 2 days ago#95 tremain07 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Preach! Make sure you wipe your mouth afterwards. Yeah I wouldn't want to waste a single drop of your life sustaining tears. Soooo good. Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2)  Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE

   hollow_shrine 2 days ago#96 Ignorant f*** s***posts about things he knows nothing about... ...Only he's also the president, and his example inspires others to contribute to the s***storm.  Sayoria posted... What reports in the military have proven that transgender service members are a threat? I have never heard of anyone transgender going in or out of the military with weapon aggression. That's because, just like stats about transwomen assaulting little girls in bathrooms, they don't exist. https://i.imgtc.com/72JF7CA.jpg (by mark2000) 14 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017

   MARKINGRAM22 2 days ago#97 tremain07 posted... Gays and Women are still barely accepted in the military as well. Remember, the GOP is trying to bring back don't ask, don't tell and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training even through a woman's body is pretty different from a man's for them to have the same training regimen. So it's not at all surprising tome that they want it to return to being a boy's club of like minded individuals Hell, in the military there's a racial divide as well,it's a perfect breeding ground for tribalism. This is complete horses*** "That man practices Islam. Are you happy he was taken out since according to you he believes what terrorists do?" -VipaGTS to me

   gunplagirl 2 days ago#98 Sayoria posted... The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. I want proof that this is a problem within the military. Again as a resident and civilian of this nation, it is my (and anyone else's) right to fight to protect the freedoms of the country. (Well, the freedoms we used to have now apparently) I can pull up like 5articles and 2 phone numbers of former spec ops or marines who transitioned afterwards. And one of those numbers is of a close friend and she still trains with guns weekly. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

   Apocalyptic 2 days ago#99 The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. This post was very well made. Can't argue with this one. ...

   tremain07 2 days ago#100 I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred. I got nothing

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      GOATTHlEF 2 days ago#101 Just another thing Bernie will have to reverse in 2020 -The Amicable

      Trigg3rH4ppy 2 days ago#102 tremain07 posted... and somehow expect women to be able to meet the male standards for military training absolutely nothing wrong with that either. they aren't the male standards, they're just the standards. ~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~ TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.png

      OpheliaAdenade 2 days ago#103 tremain07 posted... I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred. Same. :v I still can't get over him lying about his religion to trick girls on jewish dating apps into going out with him. Like, I can't think of anything scummier. Makes my skin crawl. http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#104 gunplagirl posted... Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration. this is probably the most civilian thing I've read in a long ass time, military gets charged a s*** ton more http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

      Caution999 2 days ago#105 GOATTHlEF posted... Just another thing Bernie will have to reverse in 2020 Is this before or after he has surgery to place his brain inside a robot? "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia

      ZMythos 2 days ago#106 s*** president implements s*** policy to distract the media from his other s*** while his followers eat the s*** up and think they are winning.  Not like he hasn't done this before.  Also admiral, if there are so few trans people in the military, how is it a financial burden in the slightest? It's a drop in the bucket. The only reason he's doing this is to distract everyone from whatever s*** is hitting the fan with his administration Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu*

      Phantom_Nook 2 days ago#107 This is a great strategy for Trump. Distract people from his s***ty failure of a healthcare bill (among other things) with something that has hardly, if ever, been an issue in the past. Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1

      creativerealms 2 days ago#108 That's dumb. The only qualification that should be needed it to want to serve your county. And being over eighteen. Anyone who can pass basic training and is willing and able to serve should be allowed to serve. That was it reduces the chance of a draft. when you stub your toes it's the SJWs fualt.

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#109 voldothegr8 posted... The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... It's not right to pull a "Don't ask don't tell" on transgender individuals. If we aren't even allowed to speak of it within the military, that's not just outright discrimination. That is revoking someone like me from fighting for the country that once gave me a freedom. But of course, those freedoms to aid my country are being revoked now. My protections within the schooling systems are being revoked. All care with this administration towards people like me are out the window. I'm sorry Admiral. You know how I stand on even grounds typically. This is just bulls***. If you want to serve your country, it should be your choice to do it. I'm just as American as anyone else on CE or in this country. f*** this administration. You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality.  Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military. People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. Preach!

      gunplagirl 2 days ago#110 CEs_EFG posted... gunplagirl posted... Since it's the military,, the expenses are lowered compared to civilians because medical insurance has some serious leeway in getting fees down. Civilians would pay $50,000 for all surgeries possible. The military could get that all cut down to maybe 20-30k at most. And they could even get them to a Thai surgeon for nominally less than any american one and ensure that 20k cap for all surgeries over a month duration. this is probably the most civilian thing I've read in a long ass time, military gets charged a s*** ton more *looks at my medical billing credential licenses in my wallet and remembers that I grew up in a military family and near the base til I was 23* Okay bub Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

      thelovefist 2 days ago#111 creativerealms posted... That's dumb. The only qualification that should be needed it to want to serve your county. And being over eighteen. Anyone who can pass basic training and is willing and able to serve should be allowed to serve. That was it reduces the chance of a draft. And those that can pass a medical and psychiatric exam. N/A

      emblem boy 2 days ago#112 If they're going to restrict them due to medical reasons then they should state the medical reason. The tweet says financial and distraction. People already join for financial reasons and the distraction argument is a weak argument Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1 (edited 2 days ago)

      BoyOfBattle 2 days ago#113 post #21 DIEHARD DUBS FAN SINCE 2007. We Believe!  GSW. Chef Curry. Klay "Kray" Thompson. Kevin ALPHArant. we already won.

      Sayoria 2 days ago#114 The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... This "medical condition" does not in any way (nor has it ever) hindered a transgender individuals ability to handle a firearm. What does this medical condition do if you're stationed in a place where you don't have access to hormone treatments for six months? I dunno. Ask all the other brave trans men and women who have come and gone from the military. There's been zero problems with this. Just admit it Admiral. You will brown-nose every single issue on the conservative stance. I will fall against transgender people from time to time because I know what is ridiculous.  Grow some f***ing balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

      Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#115 OpheliaAdenade posted... The Admiral posted... You're an American who has a medical condition. This is not offensive or an insult, and I have absolutely no issue with you as a person, but it is a reality. Being transgender is not the same as being gay, black, a woman, or anything else that just happens to be a characteristic of someone. It's a condition that requires things like hormone treatments (which might not easily be available if you're stationed in places like Afghanistan) and which also causes you to have rates of depression and suicide that are much higher than the population average, which is incredibly dangerous in the already high-stress, depression-prone positions in the military.People with all types of medical conditions are not allowed to serve in the military. This is no different. I actually agree with the admiral for once. >_> what is the world coming to. How can you agree with him? We treat people like individuals in this country. If your eval shows you're mentally unfit for duty, you get counselling, or reassigned. If your eval show you're mentally fit for duty, you can serve. That's the way it works for LITERALLY everyone else in the military, why does it have to be any different just because they're trans? Don't you see how excluding an individual on the basis of their sexuality because you buy into a stereotype that all trans people are depressed and suicidal is wrong? Do you really think Admiral has goodness in his heart and he's not just grasping at the most immediately convenient straw he can use to justify stigmatizing and excluding "abnormal" people like he ALWAYS does? You should know better than this O. M.

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#116 tremain07 posted... I still despise him and hate him so much I usually get bloody noses in sheer anger, I can't describe it,I just f***ing hate admiral and I don't care if it really does end up killing me, I just hate, hate,hate,hate,hate,hate,hate, hate him and will never stop hating him. Ever. This is the only thing I'll ever accept being called crazy on because I feel like it's crazy but I can't stop myself. I just can't it's like a drug of hatred. this is probably the best post ITT http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

      thelovefist 2 days ago#117 emblem boy posted... If they're going to restrict them due to medical reasons then they should state the medical reason. The tweet says financial and distraction. People already going for financial reasons and the distraction argument is a weak argument I agree wit this. The medical / psychiatric argument is much more compelling and accurate. N/A

      The Great Muta 22 2 days ago#118 Trump saying random s*** in a tweet doesn't actually enact anything, so why don't we wait until we get something actually tangible before getting into a pissing match, eh? For example, what does this actually do to trans folk serving now? You going to just boot them out and revoke any benefits? That's completely illogical and logistically a nightmare. http://i.imgur.com/eZa6Wos.png

      creativerealms 2 days ago#119 thelovefist posted... creativerealms posted... That's dumb. The only qualification that should be needed it to want to serve your county. And being over eighteen. Anyone who can pass basic training and is willing and able to serve should be allowed to serve. That was it reduces the chance of a draft. And those that can pass a medical and psychiatric exam. Yeah that to. Age, and being physically and mentally able to serve should be the main qualifications. when you stub your toes it's the SJWs fualt.

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#120 gunplagirl posted... *looks at my medical billing credential licenses in my wallet and remembers that I grew up in a military family and near the base til I was 23* Okay bub *look at VA care* *looks at the dying rate of vets* *looks at Army medical system and how f***ed it is* looks like your entire system of knowledge is "i knew a guy" and "I know at least X amount of people on facebook" that's the way a child argues http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

      wackyteen 2 days ago#121 The Great Muta 22 posted... That's completely illogical and logistically a nightmare. Welcome to the military The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teen

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#122 Malcolm and Tremain are metling down hard.

      FrisbeeDude 2 days ago#123 The Admiral posted... DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. So trump was lying about the level of burden they would actually place on the military? If so, what was the point of doing this? No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!

      voldothegr8 2 days ago#124 SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Malcolm and Tremain are metling down hard. Sayoria too Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2)  Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE

      PostCrisisJ2 2 days ago#125 See, I get the entire argument about trans people having mental issues that can affect them from serving to their fullest capability. But I don't trust this administration enough to think that they actually give a s*** about the issues of trans people if they're going on a full out ban or to stop at just there. I bet there is a better way to handle this, but rather than trying that we get this. spritual powah will never die Don't be shy to drop a PM to me, I'm always open for conversation. (edited 2 days ago)

      CrimsonRage 2 days ago#126 So much for LGBT-friendly president

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#127 CrimsonRage posted... So much for LGBT-friendly president This has been explained multiple times

      Lord_of_BeefDip (Moderator)2 days ago#128 The Admiral posted... DrizztLink posted... The Admiral posted... Non-issue. of course it s for you it doesn't involve white racism Nah. Because if we get real, the universe of people who both want to serve in the military and are transgender is probably not even a couple hundred. This is not worth anyone's time to even worry about. So then at most it was just virtue signaling to right wing snowflakes then. Guess it's only bad when left wing college brats do it, am I right? http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1343-unofficial-nintendo-switch-board My board for discussion of the NS, and other Nintendo related subjects.

      Sayoria 2 days ago#129 voldothegr8 posted... SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Malcolm and Tremain are metling down hard. Sayoria too I'm not "melting down" .... I just can't understand how people brown-nose every single thing this administration does....especially when it revokes the rights of citizens. i.imgur.com/OBxVnqJ.png ~ www.azaleasdolls.com/dressupgames/heroine-creator.php i.imgur.com/Pj3WBiE.jpg ~ www.dolldivine.com/sailor-moon-senshi-maker.php

      Malcolm_Caradoc 2 days ago#130 SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Malcolm and Tremain are metling down hard. Lol, I would rather stand up passionately for something than be a bigot. Especially a bigot who gets weirded out by transgenderism and hides behind flimsy excuses to justify discriminating against them, like a dozen people in here do. M. (edited 2 days ago)

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#131 Malcolm_Caradoc posted... SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Malcolm and Tremain are metling down hard. Lol, I would rather stand up passionately for something than be a bigot. Especially a bigot who gets weirded out by transgenderism and hides behind flimsy excuses to justify disceiminating against them, like a dozen people in here do. Lmfao

      Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#132 Here's the study on trans people in the military, btw https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Transgender-Military-Service-May-2014.pdf A different study, commissioned by the secretary of defence, has 2,450 trans active-duty members of the military, still more than the "couple hundred" claimed.  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/military-transgender-ash-carter.html kin to all that throbs (edited 2 days ago)

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#133 Antifar posted... Here's the study on trans people in the military, btw https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Transgender-Military-Service-May-2014.pdf A different study, commissioned by the secretary of defence, has 2,450 trans active-duty members of the military, still more than the "few hundred" claimed.  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/military-transgender-ash-carter.html Do you have a source without a bias?

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#134 Sayoria posted... I dunno. Ask all the other brave trans men and women who have come and gone from the military. There's been zero problems with this. Just admit it Admiral. You will brown-nose every single issue on the conservative stance. I will fall against transgender people from time to time because I know what is ridiculous.  Grow some f***ing balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter. Actually through EFMP the army doesn't send you somewhere you can't get proper treatment. This might bar you from reenlisting or getting promoted.  So say you have a child with cancer, they'd never send you to some place that you couldn't get cancer treatment. Also I believe that the Army flat out paying for sex change is brand new and it's on its early stages. I want to go out of my way and say that there hasn't been any straight up surgeries yet just hormone treatments. You're supposed to get hormones for a long ass times before you get the surgery source: In a Medical military unit also I want to say Sayoria is having a meltdown ITT and its pretty hilarious http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif (edited 2 days ago)

      Duncanwii 2 days ago#135 This won't stand for very long. The sooner this decision goes to the supreme court and struck down the better. Hopefully they make army discrimination illegal period while they're at it. This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Fire Red and Pearl. (edited 2 days ago)

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#136 Duncanwii posted... This won't stand for very long. The sooner this decision goes to the supreme court and struck down the better It won't be struck down.

      gatorsPENSbucs 2 days ago#137 So how does this work, male to female goes with the females and female to male goes with males? Seems like cost and safety are reasons for this. http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg

      Kim Kusanagi 2 days ago#138 k darkfire posted... This stuff causes disruption in the military and could cost lives. Caution999 posted... The medical costs would be outlandish. Elaborate beyond your s***posts. Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting. Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!

      Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#139 SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Do you have a source without a bias? Every source has a bias. I don't think the RAND Corporation, which exists to offer research to the military, has a particularly pro-Trans bias. kin to all that throbs

      The Admiral 2 days ago#140 Sayoria posted... I dunno. You don't know what happens if transitioned transgender people don't have access to hormone treatments for extended periods? I think you do. The results are potentially fatal: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transgender-prisoners-hormones-seen-matter-life-death-6C10981031 Grow some f***ing balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter. Not sure where the brown nosing comes into play. This is not a conservative stance; it's a rational one. - The Admiral

      Antifar (Topic Creator)2 days ago#141 gatorsPENSbucs posted... So how does this work, male to female goes with the females and female to male goes with males? It means they can't serve, period. kin to all that throbs

      Caution999 2 days ago#142 Kim Kusanagi posted... k darkfire posted... This stuff causes disruption in the military and could cost lives. Caution999 posted... The medical costs would be outlandish. Elaborate beyond your s***posts. You never provide me with substance, so I'm not going to provide you with substance. Hell, you're lucky I don't have you ignored at this moment. "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#143 Caution999 posted... You never provide me with substance, so I'm not going to provide you with substance. Hell, you're lucky I don't have you ignored at this moment. I've ignored Kim for a long time and the board has improved about x4 at least. Dude has got to be the worst s*** poster on CE beside that ophilea fella http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

      SSJ-JohnLennon 2 days ago#144 Caution999 posted... Kim Kusanagi posted... k darkfire posted... This stuff causes disruption in the military and could cost lives. Caution999 posted... The medical costs would be outlandish. Elaborate beyond your s***posts. You never provide me with substance, so I'm not going to provide you with substance. Hell, you're lucky I don't have you ignored at this moment. Just ignore him. Kim never posts anything worth reading.

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#145 SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Just ignore him. Kim never posts anything worth reading. That, Kim is pretty much the embodiment of ass hurt snowflake http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif

      gunplagirl 2 days ago#146 CEs_EFG posted... gunplagirl posted... *looks at my medical billing credential licenses in my wallet and remembers that I grew up in a military family and near the base til I was 23* Okay bub *look at VA care* *looks at the dying rate of vets* *looks at Army medical system and how f***ed it is* looks like your entire system of knowledge is "i knew a guy" and "I know at least X amount of people on facebook" that's the way a child argues That's only if they handle it themselves aka not seeing an out of network specialist. Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa

      Duncanwii 2 days ago#147 The Admiral posted... Sayoria posted... I dunno. You don't know what happens if transitioned transgender people don't have access to hormone treatments for extended periods? I think you do. The results are potentially fatal: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transgender-prisoners-hormones-seen-matter-life-death-6C10981031 Grow some f***ing balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter. Not sure where the brown nosing comes into play. This is not a conservative stance; it's a rational one. Good job skipping 98% of her post *sarcastic clap.* Now go back and read the rest of it. This is my year of Pokemon! Pokemon games I'm playing: Fire Red and Pearl.

      ZMythos 2 days ago#148 SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Do you have a source without a bias? Facts naturally have a liberal bias Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu*

      eston 2 days ago#149 I'm all for transgender rights, which is why I'm okay with waiting until we have a competent president again before trying to officially implement them in our military. I don't trust Trump to do it right. http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg

      CEs_EFG 2 days ago#150 gunplagirl posted... That's only if they handle it themselves aka not seeing an out of network specialist. which makes it even worse because military doctors are probably the worst kind, go see a military Dentist or a military PA and tell me they would survive in a civilian practice with all the bulls*** they pull also insurance would charge out the ass as soon as they find out your military, you won't see it but take a look at your bill that was covered from tricare s***s big as f*** in comparison http://imgur.com/a/GCAyA http://i.imgur.com/8ImkFTt.png http://i.imgur.com/iVota.gif http://i.imgur.com/vIs64.gif (edited 2 days ago)

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