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Would bringing transgenders into the military make us safer? Would if be a good use of my tax dollars?
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tennisdude818 posted...
Would bringing transgenders into the military make us safer? They're already there.
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Caution999 posted...
You never provide me with substance, so I'm not going to provide you with substance. I don't want your nasty s***. Caution999 posted... Hell, you're lucky I don't have you ignored at this moment. Add me if you will, I guess your CE updates like once every week from all the butthurt you've got right there. SSJ-JohnLennon posted... Kim never posts anything worth reading. Well you provided comedy gold yesterday with your admission.
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Duncanwii posted...
The Admiral posted...Sayoria posted...I dunno. The rest of it is irrelevant to my point. This is not an issue of equality, it's an issue of someone with a medical condition not being allowed in the military. Just to give a similar comparison, people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes are not allowed in the military (here's a longer list of conditions that keep you out): http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html The reason likely being that the military cannot guarantee diabetics that it will have insulin available on deployments, and going extended periods of time without it causes potentially fatal risks. Similarly, the military has no way to guarantee hormones for transgenders.
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The Admiral posted...
Sayoria posted...I dunno. Are you really comparing the glory of fighting for the country to prison and confinement? Unlike prisoners, militants enlisted to fight this out. Many go in not expecting to transition and many still come out proudly non-transitioned. Prisoners hold no freedom or control over their situation. Militants still have their freedoms on a different level. Again, how many transgender people have caused issues while in the military? How many snapped and killed others? How many outted ones killed themselves? Your stance is very conservative. If it was rational, you'd have a study based on military issues with transgender people, not bulls*** from prison where they are outright neglected as humans at times.
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Antifar posted...
they are about to get kicked out then |
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LightningAce11 posted...
Didn't he say he would support the lgbt? Maybe he got tired of a large number of them treating him like ****?
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To hear one WH staffer put it, the rationale is not medical, nor financial. It's about the f***ing midterms
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/890202683721863168
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Capn Circus posted...
Maybe he got tired of a large number of them treating him like ****? Why do you think they're doing that?
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Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...Would bringing transgenders into the military make us safer? That doesn't answer my question.
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Capn Circus posted...
Maybe he got tired of a large number of them treating him like ****? then they treat him fairly
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Antifar posted...
To hear one WH staffer put it, the rationale is not medical, nor financial. It's about the f***ing midterms ofc, it's all politics.
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Sayoria posted...
I'm comparing groups of people forced to go extended periods of time without hormones. Your body does not care whether you are in prison or deployed in the field. If hormones are medically necessary, they're medically necessary.
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Capn Circus posted...
LightningAce11 posted...Didn't he say he would support the lgbt? Boy if that isn't petty i dont know what is
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Anyway that list already has transgenderism on it - it just might get waived or might not.
I imagine that anyone that is transgender might not see combat or at least might not even be out of the country/in places where HRT would be difficult to get (ie Iraq peacekeeping or something) |
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Antifar posted...
To hear one WH staffer put it, the rationale is not medical, nor financial. It's about the f***ing midterms I'm happy it happened overall, no matter the rationale :D |
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People b****ing about costs realize that this would be something like .009% of this administrations purposed military budget, correct?
I mean at least Admirals argument on not having access to treatment is something tangible and a point, although the counter is "then they should attempt to provide better medical treatment and availability in general and not paint with a broad brush", but at least it's an argument founded in reason. Complaining it's going to cost too much is laughable. |
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wackyteen posted...
Antifar posted...To hear one WH staffer put it, the rationale is not medical, nor financial. It's about the f***ing midterms Throwing the queer people under the bus for political expediency? It's almost like the president is republican.
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I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden.
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Capn Circus posted...
Maybe he got tired of a large number of them treating him like ****? Yes, we all know our president should conduct his actions affecting thousands of people based on spite. Grow the f*** up |
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The Admiral posted...
Sayoria posted... Transgender people have fought for years in the military far before opposing hormones were ever even a thought. Back in the early 1900s, you can bet there were transgender people in WW1. In WW2. Even earlier than that. "Transgender" isn't "new". While they help us, they aren't 100% "needed" for us to get the job done when it is needed. We have glory and pride for this nation and for many of us, that glory and pride is far more important than those hormones.
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X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...
Anyway that list already has transgenderism on it - it just might get waived or might not. but the most basic level expectation of a soldier is to be able to, at any time, deploy and engage, in combat, the enemies of the United States of America. <_< Not being able to fulfill that expectation is a reasonable basis to be kicked out.
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Antifar posted...
Capn Circus posted...Maybe he got tired of a large number of them treating him like ****? No clue. He didn't do anything to them until now.
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Howl posted...
I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden. .009% of the budget. Oh the horror! |
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Sayoria posted...
tugging at heart strings Sayoria posted... you can bet there were transgender people in WW1. In WW2. Even earlier than that. "Transgender" isn't "new". surgery for it is new though Sayoria posted... While they help us, they aren't 100% "needed" for us to get the job done when it is needed Your performance would go down to below standards though . Sayoria posted... We have glory and pride for this nation and for many of us, that glory and pride is far more important than those hormones. then you could've chosen to have the surgery after serving the military
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Maybe because they're generally emotionally unstable.
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Sayoria posted...
Yeah, but back then you didn't talk about it/make it the focal point of your issues. You put that to the side and did your damn job. What (some) transgender people in the current military want is to get their transition while they're in and it winds up making them unable to deploy or distracts from their unit's mission. I wish Transgender people all the best but if I have a soldier under me who is constantly in and out of appointments and not at work, then I don't have much particular use for them. They're missing out on training time, classes, learning at work, etc.
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The only issue would be with positions that require you to be on PRP, such as flying status or working around nuclear weapons. They always took that very seriously and didn't want us working if we were having even the slightest mental or physical issue that could hinder the mission.
That being said, there are hundreds of jobs that don't require PRP that anyone could do. If someone wants to serve, let them serve. Just don't pay for their cosmetic surgery. That goes for women who get their breast implants paid for as well. |
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CEs_EFG posted...
Prove it. |
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I could have a negative iq and the average iq in this topic would still go up
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X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/transgender-inmate-sues-missouri-prison-hormone-treatment-article-1.2765324 Jessica Hicklin, 37, is suing the Missouri Department of Corrections and their healthcare provider, Corizon, calling a policy that allows them to refuse giving her treatment “cruel and unusual” and, therefore, unconstitutional. “Without care, I feel as though I am resentenced each day, further locked in a prison within a prison — my body,” Hicklin wrote in a blog post published to Lambda Legal's website. The legal organization filed the lawsuit on Hicklin's behalf. |
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Damn, Trump really has the most outrageous vendetta on Obama. I wonder if the guy f***ed his wife or something.
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Iodine posted...
This part actually makes sense tho: Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with that.
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X777WgpUYZ5Hv23 posted...
Prove it. http://www.revelandriot.com/resources/trans-health/ Body fat / muscles: Body fat will be redistributed from the more typically “female” pattern (under the skin, including on arms, legs, and hips) to a more typically “male” pattern (surrounding internal organs, and in the abdomen). Your muscular mass may increase. Changes will be gradual, possibly beginning around 3 months. If you stop taking testosterone, fat may redistribute towards its original pattern, and muscle mass may gradually decrease. Will I have to continue with hormone therapy all my life? If you decide to stop taking hormones, you may require medical monitoring to ensure that your hormonal levels do not put you at increased risk for osteoporosis, or other health concerns. This is particularly true for masculine transitioning who have undergone an oophectomy (removal of the ovaries). |
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CEs_EFG posted...
Sayoria posted... Surgery is new but for the militants of the pre-surgery era, it was NOT needed. Funny how you guys are now all of a sudden "Oh, but this is needed and mandatory and blah" ....And if you want to serve in the military, you can't tell anyone you are transgender now. Not really. If anything, I've gotten far more active and aware of things. If you compared me from 10 years ago to now, you'd definitely notice I am far more focus, competent and driven to get my work done. You have to keep that to yourself or you are disbarred. Sure, you can transition after, but it isn't right that you have to keep it 100% to yourself and live in fear that people will find out. That's going completely backwards.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...
I could have a negative iq and the average iq in this topic would still go up Do you have anything worth while to add to the discussion? |
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I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision.
But everyone gets so riled up from their emotions, and the media plays on this. Emotions are what drives the media. It drives their entire industry. Emotions are paying their bills. Going without their treatment is a serious concern. The medical costs are a concern. It's not an easy decision, but it's one that the President has to have the balls to make.
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wackyteen posted...
Sayoria posted... And transgender people in the military still do. They shouldn't have to hide it though. We still get our jobs done and we can still out-perform others. I have also been transitioning and you don't need to "leave" all that often. I see my endocrinologist once a year and I have my pills. That's it. Huzzah.
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Sayoria posted...
so how are you trans without the surgery back in day? do you just tell people you were a girl/guy? Sayoria posted... Not really. If anything, I've gotten far more active and aware of things. If you compared me from 10 years ago to now, you'd definitely notice I am far more focus, competent and driven to get my work done. Will I have to continue with hormone therapy all my life? If you decide to stop taking hormones, you may require medical monitoring to ensure that your hormonal levels do not put you at increased risk for osteoporosis, or other health concerns. This is particularly true for masculine transitioning who have undergone an oophectomy (removal of the ovaries). Sayoria posted... You have to keep that to yourself or you are disbarred. Sure, you can transition after, but it isn't right that you have to keep it 100% to yourself and live in fear that people will find out. That's going completely backwards. Not really... your personal life is your own don't ask don't tell sonnnnn |
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Caution999 posted...
I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision. this guy, i like this guy |
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Caution999 posted...
I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision. I'm sure that Andrew Johnson's people sat down and made educated decisions back then about slavery. There's a revoking of an American privilege at hand here.
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Caution999 posted...
No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers 
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Caution999 posted...
I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision. Give me actual proof or shut the f*** up. Show me the costs for this are that important that it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to the already over inflated military budget. |
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...I could have a negative iq and the average iq in this topic would still go up There's no point with you people |
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CEs_EFG posted...
Sayoria posted... You guys are imbeciles. Seriously, this is f***ed up.
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Surely this is the final nail in his coffin?
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Sayoria posted...
Caution999 posted...I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision. And you'd be the first in line to blame Trump if Transgendered soldiers were stuck somewhere without access to their pills/treatment. You'd be the first to blame him if they committed suicide. You're a never-Trumper. No matter what he does you're going to complain.
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Sayoria posted...
you didn't answer the question dude/dudette Sayoria posted...
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Gender dysphoria is a mental condition that is associated with a high suicide rate. You think it's a good idea to invite people with this problem into the most stressful situation possible?
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Sayoria posted...You guys are imbeciles. Seriously, this is f***ed up
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Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FEThe Great Muta 22 posted...Give me actual proof or shut the f*** up. Show me the costs for this are that important that it wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to the already over inflated military budget.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#a84d5312c549
healthcare is a chunk of the military budget, that's why congress always threatens to take it awayCaution999 posted...Sayoria posted...
Caution999 posted...
I love how the hardcore leftists believe Trump just enacts these things out of bigotry. No, his administration sat down, looked at the statistics, looked at the numbers, and made an educated decision.
But everyone gets so riled up from their emotions, and the media plays on this. Emotions are what drives the media. It drives their entire industry. Emotions are paying their bills.
Going without their treatment is a serious concern. The medical costs are a concern. It's not an easy decision, but it's one that the President has to have the balls to make.
I'm sure that Andrew Johnson's people sat down and made educated decisions back then about slavery.
There's a revoking of an American privilege at hand here.
And you'd be the first in line to blame Trump if Transgendered soldiers were stuck somewhere without access to their pills/treatment. You'd be the first to blame him if they committed suicide. You're a never-Trumper. No matter what he does you're going to complain.
Do you even see my posts on this board? I take realistic stances in the progression of our rights as human beings. I'm not a "never-trumper" ..... I'm pro-rights. This is revoking rights. What don't you understand?
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you really would be the first to b**** about it thoughCEs_EFG posted...Sayoria posted...
You guys are imbeciles. Seriously, this is f***ed up.
you didn't answer the question dude/dudette
Sayoria posted...
so how are you trans without the surgery back in day? do you just tell people you were a girl/guy?
You knew it to yourself. It is a brain-thing. Transgender comes from the core of the brain, not through surgery. Surgery aids, but it isn't who we are.
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Could your trolling actually be more obvious?Now replaying: GrandiaSayoria posted...You knew it to yourself. It is a brain-thing. Transgender comes from the core of the brain, not through surgery. Surgery aids, but it isn't who we are.
Done.
so Trump just banned people who have a "brain-thing" to make themselves believe they are the opposite gender.
I don't see the problem here, a lot of this was because military healthcare was going to pay for the surgery, treatment, and hormones for transgenders. That's the whole point, wait till you get out or don't join at all.tennisdude818 posted...Gender dysphoria is a mental condition that is associated with a high suicide rate. You think it's a good idea to invite people with this problem into the most stressful situation possible?
Yup. Military has a high suicide rate so that probably wouldn't be the best fit for another type of people that have a high suicide rate.The military big wigs are the ones who recommended it. We're not at war, no one is being drafted. They can be picky with who they want. And who they want are people who have a good head on their shoulders, know their place and can take orders. People who can't even come to grips with the reality of what sex they were born as says a lot about the mental health of that person. I'm willing to bet that has more to do with it than potential costs.FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making.
I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not.(edited 2 days ago)Anyway, this is disgusting, but we just have to tack it to the list of s*** we fix in 2020. I'm sure we'll find out what new Trump f***up this is supposed to distract us from sometime in the next day or so.Now replaying: GrandiaI don't see any reason to disallow well adjusted transgender people who aren't interested in transitioning while they are serving. :/ That just seems like discrimination. I can understand if they are currently transitioning or already transitioned and need upkeep for that, that could lead to complications. It puts them into a gray area in the military and I can understand them being disallowed for that reason.
But we're not sure how this will exactly be enacted in practice. :u It might only apply to transitioning/transitioned people.EternalDivide posted...The military big wigs are the ones who recommended it. We're not at war, no one is being drafted. They can be picky with who they want. And who they want are people who have a good head on their shoulders, know their place and can take orders. People who can't even come to grips with the reality of what sex they were born as says a lot about the mental health of that person. I'm willing to bet that has more to do with it than potential costs.
this tbh an active military during peacetime is super weird to methelovefist posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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So how does this work, male to female goes with the females and female to male goes with males?
It means they can't serve, period.
Well, yah, I got that. Im asking if they were allowed. Seems like safety would be a huge issue.CEs_EFG posted...Sayoria posted...
You knew it to yourself. It is a brain-thing. Transgender comes from the core of the brain, not through surgery. Surgery aids, but it isn't who we are.
Done.
so Trump just banned people who have a "brain-thing" to make themselves believe they are the opposite gender.
I don't see the problem here, a lot of this was because military healthcare was going to pay for the surgery, treatment, and hormones for transgenders. That's the whole point, wait till you get out or don't join at all.
Somewhere between 2.4 and 8.4 million dollars for the entirety of the military. Out of a budget of over 600 billion dollars. Just get the f*** out of here.
(To be even more specific, that's maximum 8.4 million dollars out of a 49.3 billion dollar health care budget for the military)Now replaying: Grandia(edited 2 days ago)EternalDivide posted...The military big wigs are the ones who recommended it. We're not at war, no one is being drafted. They can be picky with who they want.
unless I missed something, wasn't it military big wigs that were pushing the whole Trans in Military acceptance thing not even 6 months ago?The name is wackyteen* for a reason. Never doubt. *No longer teenAnd let's end the discussion with DAT VICTIM CARD.
It really is a shame that this place can't be more civil. Ah, well."Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadiadont transgenders already have a 30% suicide rate? on top of everything else it seems like that would be a bad idea to put them into another stressful part of their life while giving them a gun at the same time.Currently playing: Forza Horizon 3 - Dead Rising - HitmanEternalDivide posted...I'm willing to bet that has more to do with it than potential costs.
CEs_EFG posted...this was because military healthcare was going to pay for the surgery, treatment, and hormones for transgenders.
pick oneLive to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Caution999 posted...And let's end the discussion with DAT VICTIM CARD.
It really is a shame that this place can't be more civil. Ah, well.
But but but I thought you trumpanzees hated political correctness!Now replaying: GrandiaKTG2 posted...Somewhere between 2.4 and 8.4 million dollars for the entirety of the military. Out of a budget of over 600 billion dollars. Just get the f*** out of here.
Military spending consumes over half of all federal discretionary spending: $712 billion out of $1,277 billion in 2011 discretionary outlays. Defense analyst Todd Harrison calculates that military health spending is about 9.5 percent of the base defense budget: $52.5 billion out of the $559 billion that the Defense Department requested for fiscal year 2012.KTG2 posted...
(To be even more specific, that's maximum 8.4 million dollars out of a 49.3 billion dollar health care budget for the military)
CEs_EFG posted...military health spending is about 9.5 percent of the base defense budget: $52.5 billion out of the $559 billion that the Defense Department requested for fiscal year 2012.
AlternativeFAQS posted...SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
I could have a negative iq and the average iq in this topic would still go up
Do you have anything worth while to add to the discussion?
There's no point with you people
Is that seriously the best you can come up with?SSJ-JohnLennon posted...AlternativeFAQS posted...
SSJ-JohnLennon posted...
AlternativeFAQS posted...
I could have a negative iq and the average iq in this topic would still go up
Do you have anything worth while to add to the discussion?
There's no point with you people
Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
If Mr Lightbulb was capable of making intelligent contributions, he would.- The AdmiralFor the cost of one F-35 we could pay for ops for all transgenders in the military for the next 20 years, I'm sure money is the reason why we should discriminate thoM.CEs_EFG posted...KTG2 posted...
Somewhere between 2.4 and 8.4 million dollars for the entirety of the military. Out of a budget of over 600 billion dollars. Just get the f*** out of here.
Military spending consumes over half of all federal discretionary spending: $712 billion out of $1,277 billion in 2011 discretionary outlays. Defense analyst Todd Harrison calculates that military health spending is about 9.5 percent of the base defense budget: $52.5 billion out of the $559 billion that the Defense Department requested for fiscal year 2012.
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
And here's the 2016 DoD commissioned study that quotes the exact numbers I just listed and says the transgendered people would have an utterly negligible impact on the military budget. 2.4-8.4 million dollars to deal with every single transgendered person in the military. Meanwhile, people who have never served (including the draft dodger in chief) want to try to keep people out who want to serve their country.
Also, my numbers are 4 years more current than yours, you enormous f***ing dips***. Reading isn't the trumpanzee strong suit though.
Hi to the inevitable mod that blasts me because this guy got his fee fees hurtNow replaying: Grandia(edited 2 days ago)Caution999 posted...Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer.
This isn't gonna fly in today's snowflake society. Everything has to be fair and even steven!!!!!
Someone remind these snowflakes that life isn't fair.
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Is-ought.htmlSick liaisons raise this monumental mark
The sun sets forever over Blackwater ParkCircleOfManias posted...Caution999 posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer.
This isn't gonna fly in today's snowflake society. Everything has to be fair and even steven!!!!!
Someone remind these snowflakes that life isn't fair.
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Is-ought.html
Except it wasn't a fallacy.CircleOfManias posted...Caution999 posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
Idk about medical costs unless the military would have to pay for hormone treatment but he's not exactly wrong about how it would cause a ton of issues. Sadly I don't think there's an easy answer.
This isn't gonna fly in today's snowflake society. Everything has to be fair and even steven!!!!!
Someone remind these snowflakes that life isn't fair.
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Is-ought.html
Man, give LibbyFAQs the short abridged version so that he can understand this.Live to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!KTG2 posted...http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
And here's the 2016 DoD commissioned study that quotes the exact numbers I just listed and says the transgendered people would have an utterly negligible impact on the military budget. 2.4-8.4 million dollars to deal with every single transgendered person in the military. Meanwhile, people who have never served (including the draft dodger in chief) want to try to keep people out who want to serve their country.
and I'm talking about overall how the military health care budget is pissing off DoD, this isn't about "how much it would cost for trans to get the snip" this is how the whole health care system overall is about to go down under .
also your article is a lot of whats and ifs btw....
There Are an Estimated 1,320–6,630 Transgender Service Members in the Active Component, but Not All Will Seek Gender Transition–Related Treatment
that's a pretty big gap dude, your article is not very reliableIf they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted. Got to remember how stereotypical and old fashioned the military is run and a lot of its enlisted. Transgender would be spending more time causing issues within the military for more rights than what's already going down. The first issue is to work on getting society to accept them then work on military eligibility.SIGNATUREI can't handle all this winning!
f*** the Presidentbut redhats told me that trump was an ally and lgbt individuals would have nothing to fear!Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt
Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -NekoslashOnly a subset will seek gender transition–related treatment. Estimates derived from survey data and private health insurance claims data indicate that, each year, between 29 and 129 service members in the active component will seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.
I seriously doubt that number will be that low, considering the fact that people will join just to have the surgery, a long with people just flat out not wanting to deploy.
This adding the overall psychological , constant medical treatment of a transgender person after surgery. This doesn't seem to be worth it
Put it this way lets say 129 peeps get the surgery. That's 129 soldiers that got taken out of deployment for at least a year. Not even just out of deployment but out of commission for at least 6 months. That's your tax money paying someone's paycheck for 6 months while they just sit there recovering. While this person is not deploying anytime soon specially on a 4 year contractTrump is merely listening to what the leaders of the military are telling him. They believe it to be a distraction as well as cost incurring. It's not even a required medical treatment to be healthy and live.
If they are finding it creates a distraction among other things, Trump should listen to them which is what he did."I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hankshockeybub89 posted...I can't handle all this winning!
f*** the President
So you honestly believe Trump is a Disney movie villain that just does things for the sake of being evil?"Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadiathe military isnt the place for social experiments*imaginary*Antifar posted...To hear one WH staffer put it, the rationale is not medical, nor financial. It's about the f***ing midterms
https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/890202683721863168
I like how this got ignored twice because it doesn't fit the conservatroll narrative.Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera
http://signavatar.com/26999_s.pngA trans is more fit to be in the military than Trump is fit to be president.BLAKUboy posted...
I like how this got ignored twice because it doesn't fit the conservatroll narrative.
Nope, I said I don't care about the rationale I just like that i went throughmario2000 posted...but redhats told me that trump was an ally and lgbt individuals would have nothing to fear!
What do they have to fear?
Since when is it a right to serve in the military? There's tons of things that can disqualify people from service that would have cheaper medical consequences than allowing transgendered to serve.
Would you support increasing the military's budget to offset the cost? didn't think so.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Would you support increasing the military's budget to offset the cost?
lol
Mal_Fet posted...Since when is it a right to serve in the military?
lmaoLive to train. Train to fight. Fight to live. When you retire, think only on fighting.
Take me away, I don't mind, but you better promise I'll be back in time!Caution999 posted...hockeybub89 posted...
I can't handle all this winning!
f*** the President
So you honestly believe Trump is a Disney movie villain that just does things for the sake of being evil?
No, I think he is a f***ing idiot that does stupid things because he has no idea what he is doing.
If we truly care about military spending, then banning trans people does nothing. It's a drop in the bucket.Good. The military is not a social experiment. There is no expectation of equality or fairness.Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that."ThePrinceFish posted...Good. The military is not a social experiment. There is no expectation of equality or fairness.
Should we bring back Don't Ask Don't Tell and also kick women out then?There's two other reasons which we went over in this very topic."Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of ArcadiaCaution999 posted...There's two other reasons which we went over in this very topic.
There are no good reasons. This is a load of horses***.hockeybub89 posted...
No, I think he is a f***ing idiot that does stupid things because he has no idea what he is doing.
If we truly care about military spending, then banning trans people does nothing. It's a drop in the bucket.
How about the 40% likelihood of suicide in the trans community that is not reduced by any form of GRS?
Wouldn't that be a cause for concern for the militaryFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell(edited 2 days ago)And this coward dodge the draft.#NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #PathOfExile #WolfPAC #Bitcoin
#WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtagsCEs_EFG posted...Nope, I said I don't care about the rationale I just like that i went through
Funny, because you seem to be bouncing between a few different reasons and rationale in an attempt to justify it.
All while making assumptions that others numbers are wrong and that things will happen "just because", which is such a s***ty reason that it actively makes my head hurt- Boards
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Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...
Asserting that transition doesn't help was the unsubstantiated s***. I am fully aware that trans people have a higher suicide rate than the general population and there are a multitude of factors to that.
Transitioning, at best, reduces the likelihood of suicide of transpeople to 25 times the suicide rate of the general public.
Nope."Christians cannot be violent, the new testament is completely against it" - darkphoenix181LightningAce11 posted...Didn't he say he would support the lgbt?
He supports them not dying in rich men's war, others can do that insteadCommunism will win.Steve Nick posted...
Being gay and being transgender aren't the same thing
A gay man is generally a completely normal and healthy human being, that happens to like sticking it in dudes. That's just a preference, and it doesn't necessarily reflect their identity as a whole.
Transgenderism implies that the person has fundamental mental issues even understanding who they are. On top of the strife caused by their identity crisis, they are often taking powerful medications and having surgeries, etc.
You really can't compare these two things.
One of these things causes a big problem for the military. One doesn't.
Good job ignoring the struggles gays have in their lives to openly show who they are or to even learn to accept they aren't straight. Not to mention all the harassment they have to endure. It's not like being into blondes or any simple preference straight people have.
A trans is generally a completely normal and healthy human being, that happens to feel like the opposite sex. They prefer to be that sex. But here come people like you calling it a disorder just because most need medication to help them get those physical properties. Do body builders who take steroids have a disorder? No. They choose that method for the best results.SSJ-JohnLennon posted...Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Asserting that transition doesn't help was the unsubstantiated s***. I am fully aware that trans people have a higher suicide rate than the general population and there are a multitude of factors to that.
Transitioning, at best, reduces the likelihood of suicide of transpeople to 25 times the suicide rate of the general public.
You're so full of it. What's next, you gonna fight for people with flat feet to join the military?
No, next they're going to compare being trans-gendered to being black. Like Malcolm just did.
No, he was comparing the way both were treated differently by society. Your "side" (not left or right) always loses here in the long run Hoth. Trans people will become accepted by society as much as gay people are today.even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinSteve Nick posted...Well, transgenderism people want to BE something that they are not. There's no amount of acceptance from me or anyone else that can make someone born as a man be a real woman. They're just always gonna be unhappy if that's their goal.
And if gender roles weren't so enforced, would the discomfort be as bad? (Note, this isn't a question you have the answer to, because you don't really know what it's like to be trans or to have gender dysphoria)Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...
Asserting that transition doesn't help was the unsubstantiated s***. I am fully aware that trans people have a higher suicide rate than the general population and there are a multitude of factors to that.
Transitioning, at best, reduces the likelihood of suicide of transpeople to 25 times the suicide rate of the general public.
You're so full of it. What's next, you gonna fight for people with flat feet to join the military?
Yuphttps://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/890239341573939202
McCain puts out a statement. Could be either for or against basing what he determined "medically fit" to be. But it's still a knock at Trump.The Great Muta 22 posted...Howl posted...
I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden.
.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!
.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.woofAre female soldiers allowed to be on birth control?Yeah government bodies cutting/blocking something that's like 0.001% of their budget and citing budget reasons is essentially a "f*** you"Rexdragon125 posted...Yeah government bodies cutting/blocking something that's like 0.001% of their budget and citing budget reasons is essentially a "f*** you"
Not even close.Howl posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...
Howl posted...
I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden.
.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!
.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.
Oh sweet summer child
https://twitter.com/cnn/status/890239165669023745
Also 0.009 PERCENT of that number is 53,370,000 a little bit smaller number when math is actually involved(edited 2 days ago)sktgamer_13dude posted...Howl posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Howl posted...
I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden.
.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!
.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.
No it's not.
It's still a lot of money.Trump continuing to take the country backwards.I have trouble concentrating because I have 80HD.OpheliaAdenade posted...math is hard
Lol now it's just "its a lot of money". He would have said the same even if it was 10kWait, idk why I deleted my post.
593b * .009% is 593b * (.009/100). I accidentally did the same thing he did rofl.SSJ-JohnLennon posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...
Howl posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Howl posted...
I love how liberals always say s*** like the military is spending way too much, but when the military decides that it doesn't want to spend untold amounts of money for people to have expensive hormone treatments and surgeries then it's f*** the cost all the sudden.
.009% of the budget. Oh the horror!
.009% of 593 billion is over 5 billion dollars. Not so small a number when math is actually involved.
No it's not.
It's still a lot of money.
About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.sktgamer_13dude posted...
About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.
it is when you consider the budget, healthcare itself is like 53 billion, it's taking from that 53billion not 593billion. Only some extremely ignorant individuals see a 593 billion budget and assume all that goes into something.CEs_EFG posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...
About as strong an argument as calling UCLA a biased source when you post redstate links.
it is when you consider the budget, healthcare itself is like 53 billion, it's taking from that 53billion not 593billion. Only some extremely ignorant individuals see a 593 billion budget and assume all that goes into something.
So .009% of 53b?
You're only making the number smaller.
Again; if someone can pass the tests to join a branch of the military, they should be able to be allowed to join. There's literally no excuse. Especially when transgenders are already serving in the military.
I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?Fair, next.The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.OpheliaAdenade posted...The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.
Rupaul is a drag queen. He's not transgender lolsktgamer_13dude posted...So .009% of 53b?
You're only making the number smaller.
no that's stupidity, did you totally ignore my post where that number meant absolute s***?
sktgamer_13dude posted...
I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?
and not just the right but everyone ignored Antifar's post lmao his s*** was weaksktgamer_13dude posted...I do like how literally the entire right ignored all of Antifar's posts though. Maybe it's because they're all true?
Not to mention that transgender individuals already would be examined and could be restricted from serving unless the condition is wavered. So a blanket ban is just frivolous bulls*** meant to rile up his base, period.
Psychosexual Conditions
The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestitism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.
http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/disqualifiers-medical-conditions.html(edited 1 day ago)The Great Muta 22 posted...Not to mention that transgender individuals already would be examined and could be restricted from serving unless the condition is wavered. So a blanket ban is just frivolous bulls*** meant to rile up his base, period.
Then why are you b****ing about it?CruelBuffalo posted...OpheliaAdenade posted...
The only thing we need to do to fix this is have Rupaul meet with Donald and talk to him. He'll make Don understand.
Rupaul is a drag queen. He's not transgender lol
I know that. But he represents the entire LGBT spectrum. He's like their leader. If Trump talked to him he could turn him into a true LGBT ally. Trump agrees with whoever spoke to him last after all.Sayoria posted...The Admiral posted...
Not sure if u answered this, but what about the money issue? That's my main problem, and it does validate this decision.Sayoria posted...
I dunno.
You don't know what happens if transitioned transgender people don't have access to hormone treatments for extended periods? I think you do. The results are potentially fatal:
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/transgender-prisoners-hormones-seen-matter-life-death-6C10981031Grow some f***ing balls and stop browning your nose on every single matter.
Not sure where the brown nosing comes into play. This is not a conservative stance; it's a rational one.
Are you really comparing the glory of fighting for the country to prison and confinement?
Unlike prisoners, militants enlisted to fight this out. Many go in not expecting to transition and many still come out proudly non-transitioned. Prisoners hold no freedom or control over their situation. Militants still have their freedoms on a different level.
Again, how many transgender people have caused issues while in the military? How many snapped and killed others? How many outted ones killed themselves?
Your stance is very conservative. If it was rational, you'd have a study based on military issues with transgender people, not bulls*** from prison where they are outright neglected as humans at times.Nintendo Switch Friend Code: SW-3032-7898-9500
http://psnprofiles.com/Terraforce777 http://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Rayquaza487CEs_EFG posted...and not just the right but everyone ignored Antifar's post lmao his s*** was weak
"Facts are weak!"
CEs_EFG posted...no that's stupidity, did you totally ignore my post where that number meant absolute s***?
Because you're arguing that it'll cost a lot of money for the military to allow transgenders in. That's f***ing laughable and you know it.
Citing the military's healthcare budget and being like "see! it's so much!" doesn't mean anything. Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.sktgamer_13dude posted...
"Facts are weak!"
No lol, because his s*** was dumb as f*** you're the only one ignorant enough to actually quote someone after he ran away himself lmaooo
sktgamer_13dude posted...Because you're arguing that it'll cost a lot of money for the military to allow transgenders in. That's f***ing laughable and you know it.
That's insane...
https://heatst.com/life/gender-reassignment-cost/
According to multiple sources, the price of basic genital reassignment surgery (or genital reconstruction surgery) for a man transitioning to a woman ranges from $7,000 for a simple orchiectomy and vaginoplasty to $25,000 for orchiectomy and the more complicated colovaginoplasty. This is often, but not always, followed up by breast augmentation, which can run anywhere from $5,000 to $10,000. That’s a total average high of $35,000, but estimates for the two procedures combined have ranged from $10,000 to upwards of $50,000.
and not only that, the soldier is not only just getting the surgery. He's getting the base military pay, ridiculous amounts of off time and convalescent leave and also the Soldier won't deploy for longer than a year, and the regular hormone treatments. All this for someone who already has a 40% chance to be more suicidal than anyone else.
Yes it's a waste of money that the military health care budget simply shouldn't even have. Again the budget is 53billion. You can b**** and whine and cry to your mom about how much the military get but insurance for all military, injuries, insurance, behavioral health care, and insurance for their families all come from that 53billion. Which is even crazier considering that the healthcare also effects combat care too. Which means the guys at Fort Sam trying out new tools for combat casualty care get a slice of that pie too. So yes that's an amount of money that simply should not be used
sktgamer_13dude posted...Citing the military's healthcare budget and being like "see! it's so much!" doesn't mean anything. Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.
that's something a dumbass teenager who doesn't understand how budgeting in any type of big organization work(edited 1 day ago)sktgamer_13dude posted...Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.
Here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#3d1481a52c54
Enlighten yourself
The $52.5 billion in requested DoD health spending for FY 2012 can be broken down into three parts: $32.2 billion for the Defense Health Program, a.k.a. TRICARE, which provides health care for active-duty service members; $10.7 billion for TRICARE for Life, a Medicare supplemental insurance program for military retirees; and a mish-mash of other stuff, including military hospitals and pay for military health-care workers. Overall, the program covers 9.6 million Americans.
there's a reallyyyy good reason Congress threatens to get rid of military health care overall. Saying some bulls*** like "wow it's only 9.7% of the overall military budget is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. It's not as easy as "Oh let me go borrow some more money from tanks and guns and put into healthcare" it's a huge congress battle that makes a lot of people angry as f***(edited 1 day ago)Vertania posted...LightningAce11 posted...
Didn't he say he would support the lgbt?
Yes. He just didn't specify he would in the military.
Pretty sure he hasn't been supporting them anywhere.(edited 1 day ago)CEs_EFG posted...sktgamer_13dude posted...
Any money the military would be spending would be a literal drop in a bucket for them. You're acting as if each transgendered person would be costing the military billions of dollars or something.
Here
https://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03/12/how-health-care-spending-strains-the-u-s-military/#3d1481a52c54
Enlighten yourself
The $52.5 billion in requested DoD health spending for FY 2012 can be broken down into three parts: $32.2 billion for the Defense Health Program, a.k.a. TRICARE, which provides health care for active-duty service members; $10.7 billion for TRICARE for Life, a Medicare supplemental insurance program for military retirees; and a mish-mash of other stuff, including military hospitals and pay for military health-care workers. Overall, the program covers 9.6 million Americans.
there's a reallyyyy good reason Congress threatens to get rid of military health care overall. Saying some bulls*** like "wow it's only 9.7% of the overall military budget is probably one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. It's not as easy as "Oh let me go borrow some more money from tanks and guns and put into healthcare" it's a huge congress battle that makes a lot of people angry as f***
You're using 2012 numbers and implying that it's an issue.
It's only an issue because Trump said it. It hasn't been an issue for years. Transgenders have been serving for years, without issue. You didn't care then and you only care now because "take that liberals!"sktgamer_13dude posted...You're using 2012 numbers and implying that it's an issue.
Ugh... the numbers probably haven't changed that much gotta be reallllll ignorant to believe they have
sktgamer_13dude posted...It's only an issue because Trump said it. It hasn't been an issue for years. Transgenders have been serving for years, without issue. You didn't care then and you only care now because "take that liberals!"
this is pure raw stupidity, the military was going to start paying for surgeries and treatment for transgenders. This has been going on for about 6 months. Goes to show how you have 0 idea what the f*** you're talking aboutCEs_EFG posted...this is pure raw stupidity, the military was going to start paying for surgeries and treatment for transgenders. This has been going on for about 6 months. Goes to show how you have 0 idea what the f*** you're talking about
And where was the b****ing then? You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing about it.
"using facts is showing you have 0 idea what you're talking about."
Just cause you bold things doesn't make them any more true roflsktgamer_13dude posted...And where was the b****ing then? You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing about it.
there was tons of b****ing you have no idea what you're talking about it's like you just all this a few hours ago lmao...... I'm extremely happy Trump did this MAGA
sktgamer_13dude posted..."using facts is showing you have 0 idea what you're talking about."
the f*** are you even talking about? I just proved to you that it was going to cost a s*** ton for the military
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Just cause you bold things doesn't make them any more true rofl
are you a child? You're b****ing hard about big bad Trump taking away muh rights! This is exactly why I voted for Trump.
Your tears are amazing(edited 1 day ago)sktgamer_13dude posted...And where was the b****ing then? You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing about it.
You're only b****ing because Trump is b****ing!!
also it's not b****ing if you're winning(edited 1 day ago)Honestly, I am not surprised at all. The military is just treating healthcare like America at large does.
"If you aren't cost-effective, then go away".hockeybub89 posted...Honestly, I am not surprised at all. The military is just treating healthcare like America at large does.
"If you aren't cost-effective, then go away".
This is a dishonest post.--Zero- posted...If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.
As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.kin to all that throbsAntifar posted...--Zero- posted...
If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.
As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.
And it was causing issues.Antifar posted...
As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.
with a waiverIt's pretty f***ing sad that people are defending this so hard. It's s***. Trump is s***.Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars"
AutumnEspirit: *kissu*CEs_EFG posted...there was tons of b****ing you have no idea what you're talking about it's like you just all this a few hours ago lmao...... I'm extremely happy Trump did this MAGA
No there wasn't rofl.
Show me where people were b****ing about this before today.
CEs_EFG posted...the f*** are you even talking about? I just proved to you that it was going to cost a s*** ton for the military
"HEALTHCARE FOR THE MILITARY IS 53 BILLION! SEE, TRANSGENDERS f*** OVER THE MILITARY BUDGET!"
rofl, that's not showing anything. Literal thousands of dollars for a few people is a drop in the bucket for the military budget. You're implying the costs will be higher than they really will be.
CEs_EFG posted...are you a child? You're b****ing hard about big bad Trump taking away muh rights! This is exactly why I voted for Trump.
Your tears are amazing
"Hey guys I'm totally not trolling!"
Dude, give me a break. All I said was that anyone who passes the tests should be able to serve. Sorry that upsets you so much.SSJ-JohnLennon posted...Antifar posted...
--Zero- posted...
If they were allowed in the military then it would cause a very big issue with the ones enlisted.
As of yesterday, they were allowed in the military.
And it was causing issues.
lmao no it wasn't.ZMythos posted...It's pretty f***ing sad that people are defending this so hard. It's s***. Trump is s***.
It's pretty sad that people are freaking out over nothing and not listening to reason because it doesn't line up with their agenda.what is the point of this besides being a comical spiteful move?Sigs are boringHow is not letting transgenders in the military 'nothing'?"Why are you always smiling?"
"'Cause it's all so f***in' hysterical."- Boards
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- Trump administration will not allow trans people to serve in military
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