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HylianFox 20 hours ago#1
>Wonders why people aren't spending more money
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MutantJohn 20 hours ago#2
That's how a liberal thinks the economy works
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Transcendentia 20 hours ago#3
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.
metralo 20 hours ago#4
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.

lol
ChromaticAngel 20 hours ago#5
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.


The consumer debt happens because of high medical bills, ARM loans, artificially inflated student loans administered by deceptive FA departments and For profit universities, and bad credit contracts with stupidly high interest rates. It doesn't happen because Joe goes out to eat at Longhorn 3 days a week.
Rexdragon125 20 hours ago#6
>Businesses refuse to pay higher wages
>Wonder why they can't find skilled labor
butthole666 20 hours ago#7
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.

People dont make enough that they can support businesses, businesses fail, people make even less



Is that simple enough for you?
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YonicBoom 20 hours ago#8
I'm more entertained by the fact that Boomers are getting upset that their businesses are tanking, then blaming millennials for "ruining" their businesses.

I see more entitlement coming from boomers than millennials in that regard.
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butthole666 20 hours ago#9
YonicBoom posted...
I'm more entertained by the fact that Boomers are getting upset that their businesses are tanking, then blaming millennials for "ruining" their businesses.

I see more entitlement coming from boomers than millennials in that regard.

They want us to pay their bills but don't want us to have any money to do so lol
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American businesses works like this. 

1. Have a good idea or product 
2. Offer it better than the next guy 
3. Beat your competition and gain market share
4. Disregard all quality and focus only on what is most profitable 
5. Use money to buy influence to squash competition and labor. 
6. Say buzzwords like "capitalism" and "america" while having the government subsidize your s*** wages with social welfare and providing you with tax advantages to keep your position.

Ultra Level: Become so big the Supreme Court says your corporation is a person and the government will give you money to prevent you going out of business.

The ultimate goal of business in capitalism is to eliminate all competition and exploit workers to slavery.
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SK8T3R215 20 hours ago#11
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
American businesses works like this. 

1. Have a good idea or product 
2. Offer it better than the next guy 
3. Beat your competition and gain market share
4. Disregard all quality and focus only on what is most profitable 
5. Use money to buy influence to squash competition and labor. 
6. Say buzzwords like "capitalism" and "america" while having the government subsidize your s*** wages with social welfare and providing you with tax advantages to keep your position.

Ultra Level: Become so big the Supreme Court says your corporation is a person and the government will give you money to prevent you going out of business.

The ultimate goal of business in capitalism is to eliminate all competition and exploit workers to slavery.


yikes
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The Admiral 20 hours ago#12
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
American businesses works like this. 

1. Have a good idea or product 
2. Offer it better than the next guy 
3. Beat your competition and gain market share
4. Disregard all quality and focus only on what is most profitable 
5. Use money to buy influence to squash competition and labor. 
6. Say buzzwords like "capitalism" and "america" while having the government subsidize your s*** wages with social welfare and providing you with tax advantages to keep your position.

Ultra Level: Become so big the Supreme Court says your corporation is a person and the government will give you money to prevent you going out of business.

The ultimate goal of business in capitalism is to eliminate all competition and exploit workers to slavery.


MutantJohn posted...
That's how a liberal thinks the economy works
- The Admiral
Transcendentia 20 hours ago#13
KiwiTerraRizing posted...
The ultimate goal of business in capitalism is to eliminate all competition and exploit workers to slavery.


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ChromaticAngel 20 hours ago#14
The Admiral posted...
That's how a liberal thinks the economy works


No. Here is how capitalism actually works (in the USA)

1. Be a company
2. Offer a product
3. It's a great product, people want it, high demand
4. Competition enters market
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything
6. Make them fight lengthy expensive court battle
7. Use bulls*** tactics like moving the trial to different states to make it harder for your competition to fight
8. Use every dirty legal trick in the book to win
9. Lose anyway
10. Competition spent so much fighting in court that even though they won they are now bankrupt
11. Go back to being monopoly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!?g=s

cheers.
Esrac 20 hours ago#15
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.


That consumer debt is rising because consumers are spending more than they have, because they dont get paid enough to get by on the low wages. They can't save because they have to pay on the debt they need to take out to get by. Because they aren't paid living wages. 

That's how it seems to me.
YonicBoom 20 hours ago#16
It's more troubling to me that a lot of businesses and their owners feel entitled to exist in the first place when their existence hinges on some precarious things.

Take fairs and carnivals for example - I recently read an article that said millennials/gen Z are ruining those by not taking jobs in them. Those jobs get taken by illegal immigrants who work for minimum wage or less and are stacked 20-men deep in trailers where they live. If not this, they seek out other immigrants on work/travel visas who can be exploited to work in such conditions.

This is the only way those businesses can exist, by employing those who are willing to endure such sordid conditions. If they were not available, they would either have to pay enough money that legal citizens/millennials would be willing to work, or go out of business kicking and screaming about millennials "ruining" them.

What I believe is really happening - Millennials aren't stupid enough to do crap jobs for joke money when the alternative of having no job is actually seen as superior to suffering in s*** conditions.
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Transcendentia 20 hours ago#17
Esrac posted...
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.


That consumer debt is rising because consumers are spending more than they have, because they dont get paid enough to get by on the low wages. They can't save because they have to pay on the debt they need to take out to get by. Because they aren't paid living wages. 

That's how it seems to me.


this is true for some but not for most. car loans are at an all time high iirc. people finance stupid and useless s***. people are irresponsible with their money and credit. the liberal narrative does not apply to most people. the median family income is over 50k
SK8T3R215 20 hours ago#18
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.
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ChromaticAngel 20 hours ago#19
Transcendentia posted...
the median family income is over 50k


50k is not enough for just myself. I couldn't imagine trying to raise a family with it.
ChromaticAngel 20 hours ago#20
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.
Transcendentia 20 hours ago#21
ChromaticAngel posted...
Transcendentia posted...
the median family income is over 50k


50k is not enough for just myself. I couldn't imagine trying to raise a family with it.


sounds like we'd better raise income taxes and property taxes some more!!!
SK8T3R215 19 hours ago#22
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.


Good find of an exception to my statement.
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ChromaticAngel 19 hours ago#23
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.


Good find of an exception to my statement.


This is not "an exception" it's a commonly used tactic by Monsanto, Apple, and Oracle.
SK8T3R215 19 hours ago#24
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.


Good find of an exception to my statement.


This is not "an exception" it's a commonly used tactic by Monsanto, Apple, and Oracle.


From what I read Sony received a temporary injunction so it sounds like they had a case to initially sue them. So I don't see how they just sued them "for anything" when there was an initial injunction after suing... 

Also can you show me cases from those companies where they don't have basis to sue but are allowed to do so?
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ChromaticAngel 19 hours ago#25
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.


Good find of an exception to my statement.


This is not "an exception" it's a commonly used tactic by Monsanto, Apple, and Oracle.


From what I read Sony received a temporary injunction so it sounds like they had a case to initially sue them. So I don't see how they just sued them "for anything" when there was an initial injunction after suing... 

Also can you show me cases from those companies where they don't have basis to sue but are allowed to do so?


Merit to claim is decided in court, not in the filing itself.

If you go to court over something that you obviously have no claim for, you'll lose a lot faster. Like, if I sue Microsoft because they're infringing on my ".NET trademark" it will go to court if only for a few minutes because the judge needs to open the book and close it. That's due process for you. I would be on the hook for countersuits, however.

But here are some other examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proview_International_Holdings_Ltd
(Apple eventually negotiated to buy the rights from them)

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/PCWorld/story?id=3351577 (this one involves google)
Esrac 19 hours ago#26
Transcendentia posted...
Esrac posted...
Transcendentia posted...
people are spending money. too much, in fact. consumer debt everywhere is rising beyond sustainable levels.


That consumer debt is rising because consumers are spending more than they have, because they dont get paid enough to get by on the low wages. They can't save because they have to pay on the debt they need to take out to get by. Because they aren't paid living wages. 

That's how it seems to me.


this is true for some but not for most. car loans are at an all time high iirc. people finance stupid and useless s***. people are irresponsible with their money and credit. the liberal narrative does not apply to most people. the median family income is over 50k


$50,000 for a family isn't that much if you live in an urban area, where many of the jobs are.
SK8T3R215 19 hours ago#27
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything


You would need a patent/copyright/trademark to do this so you can't just sue someone if you haven't patented the items or processes yourself.


please click the link I posted.

thanks.


Good find of an exception to my statement.


This is not "an exception" it's a commonly used tactic by Monsanto, Apple, and Oracle.


From what I read Sony received a temporary injunction so it sounds like they had a case to initially sue them. So I don't see how they just sued them "for anything" when there was an initial injunction after suing... 

Also can you show me cases from those companies where they don't have basis to sue but are allowed to do so?


Merit to claim is decided in court, not in the filing itself.

If you go to court over something that you obviously have no claim for, you'll lose a lot faster. Like, if I sue Microsoft because they're infringing on my ".NET trademark" it will go to court if only for a few minutes because the judge needs to open the book and close it. That's due process for you. I would be on the hook for countersuits, however.

But here are some other examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proview_International_Holdings_Ltd
(Apple eventually negotiated to buy the rights from them)

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/PCWorld/story?id=3351577 (this one involves google)


Um so basically Sony sued, Bloom won the appeal, Sony also had other restraining orders denied (ie anything you want to sue for doesn't work) and then Bloom went bankrupt because they basically weren't generating enough revenues after winning. 

And the Apple case proves... What? A company had a trademark in China and sued Apple who then settled it out of court? 

And then Google lost in Germany because someone had a legit trademark for Gmail. So how does that prove what you said in #5? I don't see the issue of Google having Gmail and trying to use it around the world and running into people with trademarks for it and going to court to see if they can use it for their product.
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ChromaticAngel 19 hours ago#28
SK8T3R215 posted...

Um so basically Sony sued, Bloom won the appeal, Sony also had other restraining orders denied (ie anything you want to sue for doesn't work) and then Bloom went bankrupt because they basically weren't generating enough revenues after winning.


the legal fees themselves killed the company. lawyers aren't cheap.

SK8T3R215 posted...
And the Apple case proves... What? A company had a trademark in China and sued Apple who then settled it out of court?


Don't like addressing the fact that they outright sued over a trademark they flat out didn't own?

SK8T3R215 posted...

And then Google lost in Germany because someone had a legit trademark for Gmail. So how does that prove what you said in #5? I don't see the issue of Google having Gmail and trying to use it around the world and running into people with trademarks for it and going to court to see if they can use it for their product.


Don't like addressing the fact that they outright sued over a trademark they flat out didn't own?
SK8T3R215 19 hours ago#29
ChromaticAngel posted...
the legal fees themselves killed the company. lawyers aren't cheap.


If the company was gonna become profitable after the ruling I don't see how they couldn't get funding from outside investors. 

Apple got sued from a trademark holder in China. Apple settled out of court. Apple also has the iPad product registered in other countries. What am I missing? 

I mean Google has Gmail in other countries, it wants to use the name in a country for its mail service while someone owns the name already. I mean this is basically the point of trademarks. The German courts ruled he trademarked it for his mail service and not the logo as Google argued. If it was trademarked for the logo Google would likely be able to use it in that country. 

So again Google isn't suing for nothing it's suing to use the name of its product in a country where the name is trademarked.
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ChromaticAngel 18 hours ago#30
ok, defend this one where Apple sues a company over the letter i

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mp3s/apples-future-wont-be-brought-to-you-by-the-letter-i-20100312-q27r.html

look, I know you're knew to this whole real world thing, but this is how a legally regulated economy works. companies beat their competition in court instead of the free market.
Nomadic View 18 hours ago#31
You're paid what you're worth.

If you want a job that pays $15 an hour, for example, then apply to jobs that offer that. If you are not eligible for those jobs then you're simply not worth $15 an hour. Go get a trade skill.
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SK8T3R215 18 hours ago#32
ChromaticAngel posted...
ok, defend this one where Apple sues a company over the letter i

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mp3s/apples-future-wont-be-brought-to-you-by-the-letter-i-20100312-q27r.html

look, I know you're knew to this whole real world thing, but this is how a legally regulated economy works. companies beat their competition in court instead of the free market.


So it's case was the company was being deceptive using the reverse spelling of its own product. So there is their reason for suing. At the heart of the present opposition is the claimed similarity of the Trade Mark to marks containing or consisting of the element IPOD which had been used and/or registered by the Opponent in Australia as at the Priority Date.

Um my point was you need a legitimate reason to sue in court. Google has a product called Gmail and challenged the trademark for this was for a mail service or for a logo. That is a legitimate reason and the point of my post so idk where you getting this "I'm an expert of the economy, kid" stuff from. You're just finding articles and posting them over and over when all I said was you need a reason to sue someone.
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FluttershyPony 18 hours ago#33
>99%er tries to defend his israeli masters
>apparently he thinks he's "part of them" in doing so instead of just being an even dumber sheep that gets less and less scraps as his masters get even more rich

oh lawd, forget china and north korea, americans are the poster children of brainwashing.
ChromaticAngel 18 hours ago#34
SK8T3R215 posted...
Um my point was you need a legitimate reason to sue in court. Google has a product called Gmail and challenged the trademark for this was for a mail service or for a logo. That is a legitimate reason and the point of my post so idk where you getting this "I'm an expert of the economy, kid" stuff from. You're just finding articles and posting them over and over when all I said was you need a reason to sue someone.


The trial is to decide if the reason is legitimate or not. You don't need a legitimate reason just to file suit. If it's legitimate, you're awarded damages based on the lawsuit. Otherwise it's thrown out.

That's why these things are called claims. "Apple claims so and so is infringing on their trademark." even if they actually aren't. They put up weak arguments and try to bully smaller competition into folding or bankrupt them trying to defend against the obvious bulls*** lawsuit.
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SK8T3R215 18 hours ago#36
ChromaticAngel posted...
The trial is to decide if the reason is legitimate or not. You don't need a legitimate reason just to file suit. If it's legitimate, you're awarded damages based on the lawsuit. Otherwise it's thrown out.

That's why these things are called claims. "Apple claims so and so is infringing on their trademark." even if they actually aren't. They put up weak arguments and try to bully smaller competition into folding or bankrupt them trying to defend against the obvious bulls*** lawsuit.


Ok and those claims appear fairly legitimate to me overall and I can see their arguments.
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ChromaticAngel 18 hours ago#37
SK8T3R215 posted...
Ok and those claims appear fairly legitimate to me overall and I can see their arguments.


The case against bleem was a decisive loss for Sony on all counts. That's the opposite of legitimate.
iPhone_7 18 hours ago#38
People don't need higher wages, they need bootstraps, which they can make themselves.
SK8T3R215 16 hours ago#39
ChromaticAngel posted...
SK8T3R215 posted...
Ok and those claims appear fairly legitimate to me overall and I can see their arguments.


The case against bleem was a decisive loss for Sony on all counts. That's the opposite of legitimate.


Losing in court doesn't mean you made a frivolous claim but ok.
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Etherealfare 16 hours ago#40
ChromaticAngel posted...
The Admiral posted...
That's how a liberal thinks the economy works


No. Here is how capitalism actually works (in the USA)

1. Be a company
2. Offer a product
3. It's a great product, people want it, high demand
4. Competition enters market
5. Sue them for infringing on something, anything
6. Make them fight lengthy expensive court battle
7. Use bulls*** tactics like moving the trial to different states to make it harder for your competition to fight
8. Use every dirty legal trick in the book to win
9. Lose anyway
10. Competition spent so much fighting in court that even though they won they are now bankrupt
11. Go back to being monopoly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!?g=s

cheers.

"Make the cost too great" has been used Millenia by:

Armies
Neighbors
Competing artisans
Employers to potential applicants and hopefuls
Insurance companies to their clients
Cities
And yes, corporations employ this tactic.

But I'm not sure why you care so much when 1 entity employs the tactic, but ignore all the other groups and people who have employed the same tactic over ages. Entire wartime strategies have been waged in the name of "Make the cost of warfare too great then sue for peace"
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You only have to pay whatever it takes to get a qualified person to agree to do the job. That's how it's always worked.
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DragonGirlYuki 16 hours ago#42
It doesn't make sense for businesses to give away free money for nothing. Leave that to charities or the government.
~Yuki~
ManBeast462 3 hours ago#43
Nomadic View posted...
You're paid what you're worth.

If you want a job that pays $15 an hour, for example, then apply to jobs that offer that. If you are not eligible for those jobs then you're simply not worth $15 an hour. Go get a trade skill.


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