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Should it be illegal to have more than 2 kids?

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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#1
This poll is IP locked - Results (118 votes)
Yes, make the punishment sterilization and prison time
7.63%
9
Yes, make the punishment sterilization
5.93%
7
Yes, make the punishment prison time
0.85%
1
Yes, make the punishment (other, post below)
3.39%
4
No, people should be allowed to have 3 kids
5.08%
6
No, people should only be allowed to have 1 kid
1.69%
2
No, only make it illegal to have an obscure amount of kids, like the Dugars
10.17%
12
No, keep it legal
62.71%
74
Just sterilize everyone after they have 2 kids
2.54%
3
I'm gonna have to go with yes, give them prison time and sterilize them. Yes, I know I'm a terrible person, but at this point population control is the only way we can prevent overpopulation.
Post your opinions, please.

Note: I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to start a discussion about a topic that matters to me.

EDIT:
Obscure amount of kids

Damn it autocorrect
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Wtf?
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#4
@CherryTsundere posted...
Wtf?

Can't say i didn't expect this reaction.

@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?
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Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#6
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.

Do the police try to kill the third child? Because I would be against that.
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This poll makes no sense anyway, every western country except France has a fertility rate below 2 it's not only unethical it's also useless.
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No.

Just because i dont want to police people like that.

but if societal attitudes changed to having less children, great.
Have as many kids as you want, but understand that if you can't provide for them the government will become involved deeply in your life in an uncomfortable way. This will include taking away your children if you suck at parenting, and charging you for their health and welfare.
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Topu_Kek posted...
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.

Do the police try to kill the third child? Because I would be against that.

This is a major spoiler of the first book, but...
One of the friends of the protag, a 3rd child from a wealthy family starts at protest on capitol hill consisting of 3rd kids. There's about 1,000 of them. They're all gunned down by the military. Every single one.
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#11
@CherryTsundere posted...
This poll makes no sense anyway, every western country except France has a fertility rate below 2 it's not only unethical it's also useless.

Our planet can't support an infinite amount of people. We need to stop it from being overpopulated before we start using up resources faster than we can get them.
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#12
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.

Do the police try to kill the third child? Because I would be against that.

This is a major spoiler of the first book, but...
One of the friends of the protag, a 3rd child from a wealthy family starts at protest on capitol hill consisting of 3rd kids. There's about 1,000 of them. They're all gunned down by the military. Every single one.

Economic equality ftw

Just kidding, the parents would lose custody. The child would then go to people that want to raise a third kid.
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Topu_Kek posted...
@CherryTsundere posted...
This poll makes no sense anyway, every western country except France has a fertility rate below 2 it's not only unethical it's also useless.

Our planet can't support an infinite amount of people. We need to stop it from being overpopulated before we start using up resources faster than we can get them.

It will plateau in 2050 at 9.5 billion people anyways.

Some argue it will peak sooner in the 2040s at around 8.1 billion people.
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Gotta make this a worldwide law in order for it to mean anything. A US law won't stop Ethiopians from having 6 kids.
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Not at this moment, although there may come a time in the future where in the interests of humanity we just have to start sterilising everyone after two
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#16
CherryTsundere posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@CherryTsundere posted...
This poll makes no sense anyway, every western country except France has a fertility rate below 2 it's not only unethical it's also useless.

Our planet can't support an infinite amount of people. We need to stop it from being overpopulated before we start using up resources faster than we can get them.

It will plateau in 2050 at 9.5 billion people anyways.

Some argue it will peak sooner in the 2040s at around 8.1 billion people.

Yeah, it will, and then people will starve. And them It will happen again, and again, unless laws to prevent it are put into effect. We should stop it now, before that happens.
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Topu_Kek 1 day ago#17
BilalPowell posted...
Gotta make this a worldwide law in order for it to mean anything. A US law won't stop Ethiopians from having 6 kids.

I didn't say for just the US. If I had my way, it would be international law.
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Question is, if one of your kids dies before they turn 18, are you allowed a 3rd?
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fftstudent 1 day ago#19
Unpopular post time: Too many stupid, uneducated trash are having kids. Mark me for moderation, I don't give a fuck. 

If I had my way, people of Intelligence would get massive tax breaks, grants, & low interest loans for having kids. Society as a whole would be better off.

I'm all for a social safety net, but you have the lowest common denominators pumping out kids like a factory. And our tax dollars are subsidizing this unsustainable behavior.
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Who decides who's intelligent?
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Intelligent people don't have kids because they have been convinced by liberals that overpopulation and global warming will make the future a hellscape. The people most likely to be talked out of having kids are the most intelligent. It's the least intelligent people that ignore these narratives. Good job liberals at ensuring idiocracy.
crillgamer 1 day ago#22
Both birth and marriage rates has been hitting new lows and seems to steadily decline year by year. Maybe humanity is catching on.
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I was just reading a story about 3 men in Tennessee who have 80 kids with over 45 different women and zero child support is being paid to any of the women...
Topu_Kek 1 day ago#24
@I-NE-IV how do you feel about this?
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I'm not opposed to some sort of population control, I like that very much and would totally instate that. Forced sterilization after 2 kids. 

Of course I'm aware that opens the door to abuse but the goal of slowing and stabilizing the worldwide population of humanity is a good and necessary one no matter how emotional it makes people. What China is did is smart and they have balls for doing it.
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rabakill 1 day ago#26
fftstudent posted...
Unpopular post time: Too many stupid, uneducated trash are having kids. Mark me for moderation, I don't give a fuck. 

If I had my way, people of Intelligence would get massive tax breaks, grants, & low interest loans for having kids. Society as a whole would be better off.

I'm all for a social safety net, but you have the lowest common denominators pumping out kids like a factory. And our tax dollars are subsidizing this unsustainable behavior.

Maybe you should investigate your craptastic education system before hating the students it created. 

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Barkita 1 day ago#27
None of the choices, people can have as many children as they want, as long as they can support them.
Sariana21 1 day ago#28
Topu_Kek posted...
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.

Do the police try to kill the third child? Because I would be against that.

This is a major spoiler of the first book, but...
One of the friends of the protag, a 3rd child from a wealthy family starts at protest on capitol hill consisting of 3rd kids. There's about 1,000 of them. They're all gunned down by the military. Every single one.

Economic equality ftw

Just kidding, the parents would lose custody. The child would then go to people that want to raise a third kid.

That's not what the book's about, though. I read it a couple of years ago; it's an interesting little book (very quick read). Then I Googled the synopses of the rest of the the series. The other books didn't sound as good, but I haven't read them, so I can't really say.

It's hardly a unique concept in speculative fiction, though. Anne McCaffrey (the "Dragon Lady") wrote a book with a similar premise. The illegal third children survive by stealing the ID bracelets of others (often deceased) because that's the only way they can eat. (The bracelets are how they interact in the world, including accessing their funds.)

In Lois Lowry's The Giver the main character's family has to get special permission to take home a third baby. Each family normally is "assigned" only two, but the father works in the medical field and has some special expertise or something; I don't remember exactly. 

And those are just off the top of my head.
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kislev 1 day ago#29
Do you want America to end up like China with the two child policy
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Funkx 1 day ago#30
Overpopulation isn't really a problem at the moment in the U.S. but I could support public programs creating awareness about overpopulation concerns in the future. In terms of limiting the birth rate, it's already in decline in the U.S. so it doesn't really matter that much.
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WarDog2016 1 day ago#31
Topu_Kek posted...
I'm gonna have to go with yes, give them prison time and sterilize them. Yes, I know I'm a terrible person, but at this point population control is the only way we can prevent overpopulation.
Post your opinions, please.

Note: I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to start a discussion about a topic that matters to me.

EDIT:
Obscure amount of kids

Damn it autocorrect


i don't think anyone know what the answer is to families having more children than they can support, and i'm not sure that's what this topic is about, but i'm pretty sure whatever answer we eventually settle on will disgust some people.

but whatever way you slice, there are plenty of us that aren't happy we wind up paying for other peoples' kids. That shit isn't right.
Nix 1 day ago#32
Overpopulation due to lack of population control is a myth
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wally 1 day ago#33
I'd support throwing the Duggars in prison. Not necessarily because of all the spawn they've released over the years, but because they're legitimately bad people.

No to a ban on having more kids though.
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Anything more than 2-3 is unnecessary.
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Lord_of_BeefDip 1 day ago#35
G_I_B_B_O_N posted...
I'm not opposed to some sort of population control, I like that very much and would totally instate that. Forced sterilization after 2 kids. 

Of course I'm aware that opens the door to abuse but the goal of slowing and stabilizing the worldwide population of humanity is a good and necessary one no matter how emotional it makes people. What China is did is smart and they have balls for doing it.


Not really great when your argument boils down to "for the greater good."

The best thing would be better sex education, free or at least extremely cheap contraceptives, including easy free access to a morning after pill. I would also say allowing one free or heavily subsidized tube tying if a woman wanted that. 

I also would consider perhaps less tax incentives for any children beyond beyond two. 

But the garbage you're proposing is pure authoritarianism, and is not only far to intrusive government meddling, but ripe for abuse and bastardizing of the original intent.
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Overpopulation is not an issue in the developed world.
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Newhopes 1 day ago#37
Another regressive fan of population replacement I see.

BTW just to maintain a population at it's current level you need a replacement rate of 2.1 children per woman.

And you've seen what population control had done to china and your starting to see what lack of children is doing to places like Europe and Japan.
White America is barely having children as is.

Meanwhile we're importing foreigners who have loads of children.
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Jaghave 1 day ago#39
No, it should not be illegal but the government shouldn't shower you with money or support you because your a baby factory.
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WarDog2016 1 day ago#40
Taishi Ci CCR posted...


Anything more than 2-3 is unnecessary.


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Sub Tank 1 day ago#41
You should be able to have as many kids as you can afford.

There's some really good arguments for sterilization, but I don't see any in this poll.
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I-NE-IV 1 day ago#42
Topu_Kek posted...
@I-NE-IV how do you feel about this?

I would support a lower limit of 2.

EDIT: My wife and I are planning on at least 6, ideally 8-12.
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Alesandros 1 day ago#43
InfiniteMick posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@InfiniteMick posted...
Ever read "Among the hidden"?

No, what's it about?

A military coup occurs in the US and this exact law you're suggesting is put into place. The protagonist is a third child from a somewhat poor family.
There's 7 books in the series overall, it's written by Margaret Peterson Haddix.


Is the series good?
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wally 1 day ago#44
I-NE-IV posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@I-NE-IV how do you feel about this?

I would support a lower limit of 2.

EDIT: My wife and I are planning on at least 6, ideally 8-12.

God, do you have any opinions whatsoever that aren't awful in every way?
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AmonAmarth 1 day ago#45
Zero_Destroyer posted...
Overpopulation is not an issue in the developed world.


I agree.
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AmonAmarth 1 day ago#46
I-NE-IV posted...
EDIT: My wife and I are planning on at least 6, ideally 8-12.


lmao you will make the depopulation and eugenicists furious.
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masher11 1 day ago#47
in the developing world, yes.

elsewhere, no.
thecoolgu 23 hours ago#48
Just urbanize the rural areas to make room for more people.

That's all you need to do.
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AP3Brain 23 hours ago#49
No but if overpopulation becomes more of a problem i think people should be limited.
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Topu_Kek 23 hours ago#50
I-NE-IV posted...
Topu_Kek posted...
@I-NE-IV how do you feel about this?

I would support a lower limit of 2.

EDIT: My wife and I are planning on at least 6, ideally 8-12.

Dude what the fuck
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