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I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men?
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Flamechamp2333 posted...
I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men? What about those of us that don't give a shit?
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And this, this right here, this is why "Men's Right Activism" is a bullshit idea.
1. TC do you want to be a kindergarten teacher? If yes I have worked in Early Childhood Education departments in colleges, I can point you in the right direction. If no, STFU. 2. Having worked in Early Childhood Education departments let me tell you, THEY WANT MORE MEN! Especially in Kindergarten and Pre-K. ECE are going through an age of affirmative action favoring men right now, a qualified man and a qualified woman applying for the same Kindergarten school teacher job the man is much more likely to get hired. 3. This is another nonsense complaint by a MRA who doesn't really care about the issue but found a nice "whataboutism" to use when feminist complain about the struggles women face in certain jobs. FTR: There are legit areas of our society where men are at a real disadvantage compared to women, but this is no remotely one of them.
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It's actually between 2-3%.
True story: Back when I was subbing (January/February 2009), I had picked up a sub job as a kindergarten teacher. When I got to the building, they pulled a fifth grade teacher out of their classroom, put me in the fifth grade room, and sent the fifth grade teacher to the kindergarten room. When I asked somebody why, they told me they thought I would be a better fit in fifth grade. I had never stepped foot in the building before that day. I'm not one for the whole MRA bullshit, but I can say, after having been in the field, there is definitely a real stigma against men at the primary level. Hell, even now, in a building with 45 classroom teachers, exactly one of them is male. Same last year. Two years ago, I was in a building with 29 classroom teachers, two of us were male. About the only place in an elementary school that males are really welcome is in PE.
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Women are naturally more suited to caring for young children than men are, hence why most jobs involving that are women.
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my daughters kindergarten teacher is a man
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Feminists don't want equality across the board, they only want equality when it works in their favor.
If they truly wanted equality, you would see women protesting that over 90% of work fatalities are men because they take on the (higher-paying) more dangerous jobs.
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Flamechamp2333 posted...
I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men? It could be that a lot of men aren't interested in teaching as a profession. Many schools do welcome men in lower house.
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wally posted...
It's actually between 2-3%. the patriarchy hurts everyone, including men |
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pnut027 posted...
How many men are applying? Not enough. A lot of men are also ill-prepared for the career.
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Kindergarten teachers get paid less than high school teachers.
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pnut027 posted...How many men are applying? So then there's no real issue. Let applicants = less hires. |
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Like the wage gap, this is largely an issue of supply vs demand. Men aren't demanding the job, so they aren't getting it.
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pnut027 posted...
Welles posted...pnut027 posted...show hidden quote(s) Oh kind of like women in STEM. But wait, that seems to be a problem according to liberals, because sexism.
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Probably the same reason women don't go into certain jobs as much
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Women are naturally more suited to caring for young children than men are, hence why most jobs involving that are women. While it might be a stereotype, it does seem rather true.
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Are you really going to push one of the lowest paying professions as something that should have male affirmative action?
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BilalPowell posted...
Kindergarten teachers get paid less than high school teachers. No they don't. With rare exceptions, all teachers get paid the same, depending on their level of education and experience.
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pnut027 posted...Welles posted...show hidden quote(s) Not really. There being women being hired into stem means that there women actually applying. You can't hire people who don't apply. |
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Ronster87 posted...pnut027 posted...show hidden quote(s) No he's saying people were bitching about under representation of women in stem And it's literally the same issue... men and women have different interests. Nothing wrong with that |
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...Women are naturally more suited to caring for young children than men are, hence why most jobs involving that are women. its not a stereotype. its basic biological reality. women have breasts that feed children. men dont.
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pnut027 posted...
Ronster87 posted...pnut027 posted...show hidden quote(s) Obviously there are women who apply into STEM, just as there are men who apply into these kindergarten teacher jobs. Percentages are incredibly low though. But for women in STEM (because OMG SEXISM), the few women who apply have a 2 to 1 chance of getting hired over men (to make up for the evil patriarchy) and companies now have diversity quotas to ensure that x amount of minorities are hired. These quotas don't take into consideration WHY there might be more men in a particular field than women, they just care about the bottom line (% of minorities they are hiring). If you even question these practices, you are deemed racist / sexist and fired. Just ask the Google employee from a few months ago.
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Flamechamp2333 posted...
I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men? No one is stopping you from entering the field. No one is shaming you from entering the field - besides other men. So if you have a problem with that, perhaps you should fight the patriarchy behind it.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Flamechamp2333 posted...I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men? This. Men are truly wanted in the field. Is it a difficult job? Yes. Will you be underpaid? Yes. Will be undervalued? Yes. But it is an honorable path to take.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
Flamechamp2333 posted...I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women, which doesn't sit straight with me. Shouldn't we fight more for equality? What about us men? except the feminists that think all men are rapists and pedophiles.
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pnut027 posted...Ronster87 posted...show hidden quote(s) Why you do keep keep screaming sexism? You some kind of SJW Feminazi??? People are getting hired into the positions that they are qualified for and care to apply to. The problem is that in STEM fields, underqualied men would often get chosen over qualified women, by virtue of being men. Now I'm sure that the opposite may happen today, but it's not nearly as prevalent as blacks and women not being hired simply because they were black or women pre Affirmative Action. |
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I see people ignored wally’s post, which clearly shows that there is a bias from the school administration side as well, not just the applicant side.
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Although it should be expected that men are going to always be a heavy minority in the elementary classroom, particularly at the primary level. You honestly wouldn't believe how much money it costs to run a classroom. Like... as an example, at no point in my teaching career has a school ever given me a book for a classroom library. Not one. Of course, every school I've ever taught in expects my students to spend at least twenty minutes a day independent reading. So... since they need books, and I'm not given books... well, you see where I'm going with that. Going into teaching makes more sense as the second income in a family.
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wally posted...
True story: Back when I was subbing (January/February 2009), I had picked up a sub job as a kindergarten teacher. When I got to the building, they pulled a fifth grade teacher out of their classroom, put me in the fifth grade room, and sent the fifth grade teacher to the kindergarten room. When I asked somebody why, they told me they thought I would be a better fit in fifth grade. I had never stepped foot in the building before that day. young children need more of a nurturing role when younger b/c they dont know any better. older children need more of an authority figure role. women are better nurturers. men are better authority figures. this is why single moms raising teenagers is a fiasco. b/c most teenagers, especially boys, are not intimidated by a womans authority. this is partly why women, when choosing a mate, look for a strong male role model to instill authority.
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Bond_543 posted...
Utter nonsense
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wally posted...
Bond_543 posted...Utter nonsense non argument.
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Women are naturally more suited to caring for young children than men are, hence why most jobs involving that are women. Then why aren't liberals applying the same logic to other jobs? Because they're bigots. |
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You posted a nonsensical argument. Now, if you want to argue that, on average, women tend to more more nurturing while men tend to be more authoritarian, that's an argument, but there are plenty of overlap. At my current school, the biggest authoritarian is an old lady that stands maybe 4 foot 9 and is shorter than most of her class, but there isn't one kid that ever tries to fuck with her. Hell, as a parent, I'm the nurturer, by far. For that matter, I'd argue that I'd rather my daughter have a firm authoritarian as a kindergarten teacher than a nurturer. I want her to learn how to sit her ass down and follow directions as a kindergartner, I don't need somebody to tell her that she's special and unique.
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...Women are naturally more suited to caring for young children than men are, hence why most jobs involving that are women. and idiots.
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why am I not surprised that people are completely ignore the differences between different jobs and that say a STEM job can give you far more independence and economic power than a teaching job, so if fucking course it makes sense that women being locked out of STEM jobs is seen as a bigger social problem than men in kindergarten teaching jobs.
Shouldn’t this be obvious? It’s also why no one is complaining about the lack of women janitors. It isn’t about mere numbers, it’s about having the finanicial independence to better your status. |
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It's actually between 2-3%. In my experience, it’s not preferring women for primary, it’s preferring men for older grades where they will be perceived as more disciplinarian Which is an issue in another sense
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wally posted...
You posted a nonsensical argument. Now, if you want to argue that, on average, women tend to more more nurturing while men tend to be more authoritarian, that's an argument, but there are plenty of overlap. At my current school, the biggest authoritarian is an old lady that stands maybe 4 foot 9 and is shorter than most of her class, but there isn't one kid that ever tries to fuck with her. Hell, as a parent, I'm the nurturer, by far. For that matter, I'd argue that I'd rather my daughter have a firm authoritarian as a kindergarten teacher than a nurturer. I want her to learn how to sit her ass down and follow directions as a kindergartner, I don't need somebody to tell her that she's special and unique. It should be pretty obvious that Bond wasn't speaking in absolutes. Nobody believes that all men and women are the same. |
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why am I not surprised that people are completely ignore the differences between different jobs and that say a STEM job can give you far more independence and economic power than a teaching job, so if fucking course it makes sense that women being locked out of STEM jobs is seen as a bigger social problem than men in kindergarten teaching jobs. Women aren't being locked out of STEM jobs at all. Only feminists claim that to be true and they're only using that as an excuse for their lack of talent and skill. It's much easier to blame some other group than it is to look in the mirror. |
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
Carmelo posted...why am I not surprised that people are completely ignore the differences between different jobs and that say a STEM job can give you far more independence and economic power than a teaching job, so if fucking course it makes sense that women being locked out of STEM jobs is seen as a bigger social problem than men in kindergarten teaching jobs. we in this very topic have someone saying that the biological destiny of women is to be the nurturer of children and you deny the fact that sexist attitudes may have any impact on the decision of women to pursue STEM careers? |
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Carmelo posted...
we in this very topic have someone saying that the biological destiny of women is to be the nurturer of children and you deny the fact that sexist attitudes may have any impact on the decision of women to pursue STEM careers? strawman
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Because the people who care about gender "equality" don't actually care about equality or males.
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dermoratraken posted...
Because the people who care about gender "equality" don't actually care about equality or males. that’s right, I do not care about my own gender, in fact I want to subtly tear it down, directly harming myself, all because... wait what’s the endgame here? |
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Carmelo posted...
wally posted...It's actually between 2-3%. Even if patriarchy existed, that was not an example of it. What Wally experienced was a (largely American) fear that there's only one reason a man would want to work with small children. He was profiled as being higher risk for pedophilia, so they put him in a lower risk classroom. Ironically, that same prejudice explains why, despite being such a minority of elementary teachers, men are such a high majority of elementary school administrators. They're promoted out of the classroom to protect the children from the presumed threat.
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Carmelo posted...
dermoratraken posted...Because the people who care about gender "equality" don't actually care about equality or males. The gender equivalent of the reason feminists claim women do the same to their gender. Internalized misandry.
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wally posted...
Bond_543 posted...Utter nonsense To be fair, that’s pretty much every one of his posts. |
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There are more women in elementary education in general. It's not because men are being turned down for the positions lol.
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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
wally posted...You posted a nonsensical argument. Now, if you want to argue that, on average, women tend to more more nurturing while men tend to be more authoritarian, that's an argument, but there are plenty of overlap. At my current school, the biggest authoritarian is an old lady that stands maybe 4 foot 9 and is shorter than most of her class, but there isn't one kid that ever tries to fuck with her. Hell, as a parent, I'm the nurturer, by far. For that matter, I'd argue that I'd rather my daughter have a firm authoritarian as a kindergarten teacher than a nurturer. I want her to learn how to sit her ass down and follow directions as a kindergartner, I don't need somebody to tell her that she's special and unique. You clearly don't know Bond. |
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It's partially men not entering the profession, but it's also because of school liability. I remember an ABC Nightline documentary on men entering "women's" professions. The male kindergarten teacher they interviewed admitted if one of his students wandered off the school ground, he was to contact a female teacher unless the child was in immediate danger (such as standing in the middle of the street). If he went after the child himself, people might think he was a stalker or a pedophile.
True story about school liability: My aunt worked in special ed as a teacher's assistant for a kindergarten class. It's a predominately hispanic school, but they bus in some white students from a neighboring affluent area. One day a hispanic teacher had to chase after a white student who ran off school grounds. There were some cops across the street at a taco stand. They saw the teacher chasing after the white student, so they tackled her to the ground and pointed a gun to her temple. The end result of this whole ordeal? The teacher suffered PTSD and left the teaching profession. The school stopped accepting any children bused in from the affluent white area.
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- why not more uproar over 99.9% of kindergarten teachers being women and not men?
Flamechamp2333 posted...I never in my life known someone to say their kindergarten teacher was a man, so I've come to the deduction that 99.9% of them are women
Oh, well with that kind of evidence..."I'm a baby killer, baby killing makes me horny. Aliens inside me, gonna squash it like Sigourney" ~Get Dat Fetus, Kill Dat Fetus - Sextina Aquafina(edited 1 hour ago)Carmelo posted...that’s right, I do not care about my own gender, in fact I want to subtly tear it down, directly harming myself, all because... wait what’s the endgame here?
politics. b/c its more important to pit females vs males for votes.Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes.
Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGgBB mofo posted...There were some cops across the street at a taco stand. They saw the teacher chasing after the white student, so they tackled her to the ground and pointed a gun to her temple.
The end result of this whole ordeal? The teacher suffered PTSD and left the teaching profession. The school stopped accepting any children bused in from the affluent white area.
The lesson to be learned here is that the police officer needs to fix whatever it is they were doing.You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard
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80% plus female but when it comes to upper management its predominantly Male i think the publishing industry us a good example of Male privilege at work.While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free.
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you should look into why there are so few menPuzzle and Dragons: 338 705 421Ronster87 posted...Feminists don't want equality across the board, they only want equality when it works in their favor.
If they truly wanted equality, you would see women protesting that over 90% of work fatalities are men because they take on the (higher-paying) more dangerous jobs.
This is not a gender rights issue. Even the MRAs don't cover the subject. Why? Because the safety/health violations are not motivated by whether or not the employee/victim has a penis. Thus, it is workers' rights and work safety advocacy groups who cover this. Don't get me wrong-- it is a serious issue, but there are few cases where gender is involved.
Issues that gender rights activists take up (because they are MOTIVATED in part by gender) are the following:
--Prison and law enforcement reform, including in the area of domestic violence (where the man is always guilty, even if he was the only one being assaulted, and female-on-male domestic abuse is not taken seriously, sex-based criminal profiling, females getting shorter sentences than males) Prison and LEO reform currently is the biggest issue for both mens' rights and blacks.
--Rape culture (sexism that affects both male and female victims in different, but sometimes identical ways when it comes to sexual assault and sexual harassment)
--Toxic masculinity, stigma toward butch lesbians and homosexual males (note: most aspects of toxic femininity are already stigmatized.)
--Addendum to the above: double-standards about sleeping around (women called sluts, men called studs, virginity in men is stigmatized)
--Employment discrimination (pay wage gap, sex-based discrimination in hiring)
--The glass ceiling, child support payments, child custody, etc. (however, in most states the bulk of this has been resolved or is the result of behavior differences.)
--Gender roles, lack of accommodations for fathers (e.g. diaper changing tables in mens restrooms, paid paternity leave)
--Overdiagnosis of ADHD in male children
--Sanitary napkins and tampons are not exempt from the sales tax for the poor, even though athletes foot cremes are.
Those are all examples of mens' and womens' rights issues and gender equality.Meet Captain Euro, the coolest superhero this side of Aquaman!~~Portal of Evil
[Disillusioned Independent]Hyena 20 posted...Issues that gender rights activists take up (because they are MOTIVATED in part by gender) are the following:
--Prison and law enforcement reform, including in the area of domestic violence (where the man is always guilty, even if he was the only one being assaulted, and female-on-male domestic abuse is not taken seriously, sex-based criminal profiling, females getting shorter sentences than males) Prison and LEO reform currently is the biggest issue for both mens' rights and blacks.
--Rape culture (sexism that affects both male and female victims in different, but sometimes identical ways when it comes to sexual assault and sexual harassment)
--Toxic masculinity, stigma toward butch lesbians and homosexual males (note: most aspects of toxic femininity are already stigmatized.)
--Addendum to the above: double-standards about sleeping around (women called sluts, men called studs, virginity in men is stigmatized)
--Employment discrimination (pay wage gap, sex-based discrimination in hiring)
--The glass ceiling, child support payments, child custody, etc. (however, in most states the bulk of this has been resolved or is the result of behavior differences.)
--Gender roles, lack of accommodations for fathers (e.g. diaper changing tables in mens restrooms, paid paternity leave)
--Overdiagnosis of ADHD in male children
--Sanitary napkins and tampons are not exempt from the sales tax for the poor, even though athletes foot cremes are.
Those are all examples of mens' and womens' rights issues and gender equality.
And all issues that are predominantly taken up by liberals as trying to fix.You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard
{Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite}if gender is a social construct. how can gender rights even exist?Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes.
Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGgHyena 20 posted...--Addendum to the above: double-standards about sleeping around (women called sluts, men called studs, virginity in men is stigmatized)
nothing wrong with double standards. men and women have different biological roles they play. its a woman that controls sex in a relationship.Social Democracy: Bribing idiots with "free stuff" in exchange for votes.
Truth of the progressive era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rI8OYFzGg(edited 11 minutes ago)Men probably don't want those jobs. You can't do anything to kids these days without it being some kind of abuse.Bond_543 posted...if gender is a social construct. how can gender rights even exist?
Rights is a social construct.You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard
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