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OrtegaTron 1 day ago#2
This is news to me. And I'm me.
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I love women, but we are on a gaming board and I know the definition of what a woman is thrown around loosely these days
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White_Female 1 day ago#4
but who am I
thanosibe 1 day ago#5
I like women. Especially ....
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I get the vibe that a lot of people here don't like women. Some confuse lust with liking.
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Because my mom was mean to me when I was a kid. She made me feel like everything was my fault. She didn't understand me. She yelled at me all the time. If I was struggling with anything in life, she'd victimize herself over it. 

So basically, when a mom does that to her son, expect that son to grow up not respecting women.
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I dont hate them. I do think they have life easier than they think they do though, and are prone to conformism
i love my gf, my mom and my grandmother very much of course
Bumble_ 1 day ago#9
why do you hate women?


I don't. White females, especially, are pretty damn important to me :).

Hmph! Have had far more problems with other men. Have to regularly fight the urge, not to strangle some on the spot. Anyway, yeah... these days, I find it a lot easier to get along with women actually.
Asherlee10 1 day ago#10
FighterStreet posted...
I do think they have life easier than they think they do though


Examples?
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ArchiePeck 1 day ago#11
A lot of the frustrated virgin types on here clearly have some sort of deep rooted entitlement issue where they think having sex is a right that they are being denied by some sort of mass collusion between females.

Therefore they project anger and bitterness to women who have normal sex lives and label them "sluts" and so forth.
They remind me of Anita Sarkeesian.
Asherlee10 posted...
FighterStreet posted...
I do think they have life easier than they think they do though


Examples?

there are millions and millions of things man

classics like it being easier to find a mate, or even things feminism is outright wrong about. The majority of violence on the streets is man-on-man. it is more dangerous to walk around at night, statistically, as a male than as a woman. but you'll hear s*** about how hard it is for women to walk alone at night. hearing things like this just jades me, the horde is real
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ArchiePeck posted...
A lot of the frustrated virgin types on here clearly have some sort of deep rooted entitlement issue where they think having sex is a right that they are being denied by some sort of mass collusion between females.

Therefore they project anger and bitterness to women who have normal sex lives and label them "sluts" and so forth.


So accurate
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gguirao 1 day ago#15
But, I don't.
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Asherlee10 1 day ago#16
FighterStreet posted...
classics like it being easier to find a mate


I don't think this is gender-specific at all. I think it is specific to the type of person, however. Whether the person is actively looking, working on themselves, attempt to make connections with people, etc. 

FighterStreet posted...
The majority of violence on the streets is man-on-man. it is more dangerous to walk around at night, statistically, as a male than as a woman. but you'll hear s*** about how hard it is for women to walk alone at night. hearing things like this just jades me, the horde is real

That may be the case, but I would be curious to know how many women are walking alone at night versus the number of men who do. That alone would skew the numbers per capita quite a bit. 

Beyond that, it is highly unlikely that a woman would be able to defend herself from a man in a one vs. one encounter if she was unarmed. At least men have somewhat of a level-playing field here. Men are the ones that are more often committing the violent crime in this scenario.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
Asherlee10 posted...
FighterStreet posted...
classics like it being easier to find a mate


I don't think this is gender-specific at all. I think it is specific to the type of person, however. Whether the person is actively looking, working on themselves, attempt to make connections with people, etc. 

FighterStreet posted...
The majority of violence on the streets is man-on-man. it is more dangerous to walk around at night, statistically, as a male than as a woman. but you'll hear s*** about how hard it is for women to walk alone at night. hearing things like this just jades me, the horde is real

That may be the case, but I would be curious to know how many women are walking alone at night versus the number of men who do. That alone would skew the numbers per capita quite a bit. 

Beyond that, it is highly unlikely that a woman would be able to defend herself from a man in a one vs. one encounter if she was unarmed. At least men have somewhat of a level-playing field here. Men are the ones that are more often committing the violent crime in this scenario.

the per capita rate is higher against men. but really, it doesnt matter. no one should be getting attacked. the message shouldnt be to help women against attackers, but to help all people
women get to live in this little fair tale lala land that they have it hard, but they really dont. they bury themselves into the feminism's bosom and dont think. i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation
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Twinmold 1 day ago#19
FighterStreet posted...
i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation

I'm dizzy from the mental gymnastics. Just admit you resent women. You're not fooling anybody.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
One of my jobs is cooking. I enjoy yelling at female servers if they f*** with me. 

I love women.. too easily. If a girls got a nice ass and some tight p****, I'm proly falling in "love". At the same time, I do have some serious resentments towards women. Thankfully it lessens as I get older and understand human nature better.
Twinmold posted...
FighterStreet posted...
i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation

I'm dizzy from the mental gymnastics. Just admit you resent women. You're not fooling anybody.

i resent aspects of them, i resent men far more than i resent women overall. but this topic is asking what i dont like about women, not men
I live with and support my wife, daughter and mother-in-law, try again dude.
Asherlee10 14 hours ago#23
Twinmold posted...
FighterStreet posted...
i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation

I'm dizzy from the mental gymnastics. Just admit you resent women. You're not fooling anybody.


Basically this. He's got this long, drawn out excuse for hating women.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
Lorenzo_2003 12 hours ago#24
Asherlee10 posted...
Twinmold posted...
FighterStreet posted...
i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation

I'm dizzy from the mental gymnastics. Just admit you resent women. You're not fooling anybody.


Basically this. He's got this long, drawn out excuse for hating women.


And who gives a s*** if he does? Is that illegal? Why do I keep hearing and reading that men need to champion the rights of women or stop thinking whatever the hell they want to think or say in the first place? Is this not equality? 

I don't automatically respect or even care about other men I meet because I understand that we are competing for the same resources. To no surprise, there are no threads on CE about why men should stop hating other men. You know why? Because we don't treat other men as if they need a white knight. They are simply our competition. Now that we have done away with traditional gender roles, women are our competition as well. They don't need you thought policing and shaming men for treating them the same way we treat other men. They would only need that, if you think they are weak or incapable of doing things for themselves. Are they?
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omega cookie 12 hours ago#25
fenderbender321 posted...
Because my mom was mean to me when I was a kid. She made me feel like everything was my fault. She didn't understand me. She yelled at me all the time. If I was struggling with anything in life, she'd victimize herself over it. 

So basically, when a mom does that to her son, expect that son to grow up not respecting women.

I mean, you talk about wanting to f*** animals. Maybe she saw the writing on the wall, and had enough of your s***?

It's easy to say that she treated you like s***, but I gotta be honest here. If anyone deserves it, it's the guy who talks about wanting to f*** horses.
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ehhwhatever 12 hours ago#26
No, they don't always keep promises they made to me. They have someone to talk them out of it.
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Asherlee10 12 hours ago#27
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
And who gives a s*** if he does? Is that illegal? Why do I keep hearing and reading that men need to champion the rights of women or stop thinking whatever the hell they want to think or say in the first place? Is this not equality?


Don't be melodramatic. No one is suggesting that his resentment and possibly hatred of women is illegal.

Not giving a s*** perpetuates this attitude and is damaging to people. Also, no one said that you have to be a champion for women. Is it really so much to ask to squash this 'neckbeard' attitude of entitlement and hatred of women based on false or exaggerated perceptions?

Lorenzo_2003 posted...
I don't automatically respect or even care about other men I meet because I understand that we are competing for the same resources. To no surprise, there are no threads on CE about why men should stop hating other men. You know why? Because we don't treat other men as if they need a white knight. They are simply our competition. Now that we have done away with traditional gender roles, women are our competition as well. They don't need you thought policing and shaming men for treating them the same way we treat other men. They would only need that, if you think they are weak or incapable of doing things for themselves. Are they?


Your basing your social perceptions on the topics that appear in CE? That is seriously misguided. No one said you have to whiteknight anyone. Try treating people with respect.
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Offworlder1 12 hours ago#28
Why would I hate my girlfriend or our mistress ???, they treat me well and I treat them well.
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Twinmold 12 hours ago#29
Lol, my mom has always been the most evil person I've ever met in my life. Physically and mentally abusive. Sleep at night with your door locked because you're afraid of getting stabbed kind of s***. But you know what? I'm not a moron. I know that just because my mom was an a******, doesn't mean all women are a******s, nor does it give me the right to think all women are a******s.

All of you folk blaming the women in your life for making you this way are weak. You talk about being "real men" but none of you have the courage to admit that you resent women, because you feel they owe you some sort of attention you are not receiving.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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OpheliaAdenade 12 hours ago#30
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.
_Goggalor_ 12 hours ago#31
Because they're mostly selfish, rude. Want life on a silver platter when they're made out of bronze.
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ehhwhatever 12 hours ago#32
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.
A bus is after me.
Asherlee10 12 hours ago#33
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
TommyG663513 12 hours ago#34
Asherlee10 posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
And who gives a s*** if he does? Is that illegal? Why do I keep hearing and reading that men need to champion the rights of women or stop thinking whatever the hell they want to think or say in the first place? Is this not equality?


Don't be melodramatic. No one is suggesting that his resentment and possibly hatred of women is illegal.

Not giving a s*** perpetuates this attitude and is damaging to people. Also, no one said that you have to be a champion for women. Is it really so much to ask to squash this 'neckbeard' attitude of entitlement and hatred of women based on false or exaggerated perceptions?

Lorenzo_2003 posted...
I don't automatically respect or even care about other men I meet because I understand that we are competing for the same resources. To no surprise, there are no threads on CE about why men should stop hating other men. You know why? Because we don't treat other men as if they need a white knight. They are simply our competition. Now that we have done away with traditional gender roles, women are our competition as well. They don't need you thought policing and shaming men for treating them the same way we treat other men. They would only need that, if you think they are weak or incapable of doing things for themselves. Are they?


Your basing your social perceptions on the topics that appear in CE? That is seriously misguided. No one said you have to whiteknight anyone. Try treating people with respect.


Wow, you seemed pretty triggered. Calm down instead of attacking the dude. Learn to understand instead of tossing around terms like neckbeard.
just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
Deadpool_18 12 hours ago#35
OrtegaTron posted...
This is news to me. And I'm me.

Lmao
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TommyG663513 12 hours ago#36
Asherlee10 posted...
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.


Do you think this problem you perceive is entirely the fault of men?
just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
Asherlee10 12 hours ago#37
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Lorenzo_2003 posted...
And who gives a s*** if he does? Is that illegal? Why do I keep hearing and reading that men need to champion the rights of women or stop thinking whatever the hell they want to think or say in the first place? Is this not equality?


Don't be melodramatic. No one is suggesting that his resentment and possibly hatred of women is illegal.

Not giving a s*** perpetuates this attitude and is damaging to people. Also, no one said that you have to be a champion for women. Is it really so much to ask to squash this 'neckbeard' attitude of entitlement and hatred of women based on false or exaggerated perceptions?

Lorenzo_2003 posted...
I don't automatically respect or even care about other men I meet because I understand that we are competing for the same resources. To no surprise, there are no threads on CE about why men should stop hating other men. You know why? Because we don't treat other men as if they need a white knight. They are simply our competition. Now that we have done away with traditional gender roles, women are our competition as well. They don't need you thought policing and shaming men for treating them the same way we treat other men. They would only need that, if you think they are weak or incapable of doing things for themselves. Are they?


Your basing your social perceptions on the topics that appear in CE? That is seriously misguided. No one said you have to whiteknight anyone. Try treating people with respect.


Wow, you seemed pretty triggered. Calm down instead of attacking the dude. Learn to understand instead of tossing around terms like neckbeard.


What I posted was not an attack. It contains counterpoints to what he had posted. The term 'neckbeard' in this context references a specific sort of attitude that is conveniently summed up in 1 word. You'll notice I didn't call him a neckbeard, I referenced an attitude. 

If you have some qualms about what I posted, feel free to dispute my points. I welcome any sort of discourse.
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Asherlee10 12 hours ago#38
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.


Do you think this problem you perceive is entirely the fault of men?


I think it's unwise to pinpoint fault to a single source when we are talking about people. What might be the root for one person isn't necessarily the root of the next person. 

Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
Darkman124 12 hours ago#39
Asherlee10 posted...
Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.


unfortunately, that too is pretty complex and for most young people requires years of life experience
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Asherlee10 12 hours ago#40
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.


unfortunately, that too is pretty complex and for most young people requires years of life experience


Agreed.
"Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
TommyG663513 12 hours ago#41
Asherlee10 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.


Do you think this problem you perceive is entirely the fault of men?


I think it's unwise to pinpoint fault to a single source when we are talking about people. What might be the root for one person isn't necessarily the root of the next person. 

Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.


Ok then what need to happen to change it?

Do you think it would help if women made more attempts to understand male resentment instead of throwing around terms like neckbeard?
just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
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KingCrabCake 12 hours ago#42
OrtegaTron posted...
This is news to me. And I'm me.
Bulls 4 life ! 
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Darkman124 12 hours ago#43
TommyG663513 posted...
Do you think it would help if women made more attempts to understand male resentment instead of throwing around terms like neckbeard?


generally it's not women who do that, but "woke" men (who are definitely not helping, and honestly i think most of them are just virtue signaling per the 'PC' house in South park)

women mostly just avoid those men entirely
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Coolppl Owns 12 hours ago#44
women are great
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KingCrabCake 12 hours ago#45
FighterStreet posted...
Twinmold posted...
FighterStreet posted...
i guess i dont really have a problem with women as much as i have a problem with women form my generation

I'm dizzy from the mental gymnastics. Just admit you resent women. You're not fooling anybody.

i resent aspects of them, i resent men far more than i resent women overall. but this topic is asking what i dont like about women, not men


I get what you're saying.you're hate women that throw self pity parties
Bulls 4 life ! 
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Asherlee10 12 hours ago#46
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.


Do you think this problem you perceive is entirely the fault of men?


I think it's unwise to pinpoint fault to a single source when we are talking about people. What might be the root for one person isn't necessarily the root of the next person. 

Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.


Ok then what need to happen to change it?

Do you think it would help if women made more attempts to understand male resentment instead of throwing around terms like neckbeard?


Again, this isn't some simple solution. I can't just type a few sentences and suddenly masses of people will suddenly stop with their piss-poor attitude towards women. I'm not sure what you are expecting here.

You seem to be fixated on the term neckbeard. You realize that women can have neckbeard attitudes too, right? As I explained, when I use the word in reference to an attitude, it is just that. An attitude. A specific attitude that sums up a set of behaviors and beliefs. 

To answer your question about women making attempts to understand male resentment. No, I don't think that is the responsibility of anyone else except for the person holding resentment to work through their own issues and attitudes. This goes for both sexes.
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TommyG663513 11 hours ago#47
Darkman124 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Do you think it would help if women made more attempts to understand male resentment instead of throwing around terms like neckbeard?


generally it's not women who do that, but "woke" men (who are definitely not helping, and honestly i think most of them are just virtue signaling per the 'PC' house in South park)

women mostly just avoid those men entirely


To be fair, I directly asked this of a woman who just did use the term

, but yeah you've still made a fair point. Obviously those women who are avoiding those men are making no attempt to understand them. Not that I entirely blame them for doing so. People want to do the more enjoyable things in life and understanding male resentment towards women typically isn't a pleasant experience.
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I don't hate women, I just don't pay them any more mind then I do men.

I'm really not one for interacting/socializing with people in general, their gender is irrelevant.
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TommyG663513 11 hours ago#49
Asherlee10 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
ehhwhatever posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
So you all have mommy issues. I guess that makes a lot of sense.

They think they are above the paternal experience.


I do think it's rather alarming to see how many young men (especially on CE) have such a terrible attitude and perception towards women.


Do you think this problem you perceive is entirely the fault of men?


I think it's unwise to pinpoint fault to a single source when we are talking about people. What might be the root for one person isn't necessarily the root of the next person. 

Quite honestly, the 'fault' doesn't matter so much as what needs to happen to change it.


Ok then what need to happen to change it?

Do you think it would help if women made more attempts to understand male resentment instead of throwing around terms like neckbeard?


Again, this isn't some simple solution. I can't just type a few sentences and suddenly masses of people will suddenly stop with their piss-poor attitude towards women. I'm not sure what you are expecting here.

You seem to be fixated on the term neckbeard. You realize that women can have neckbeard attitudes too, right? As I explained, when I use the word in reference to an attitude, it is just that. An attitude. A specific attitude that sums up a set of behaviors and beliefs. 

To answer your question about women making attempts to understand male resentment. No, I don't think that is the responsibility of anyone else except for the person holding resentment to work through their own issues and attitudes. This goes for both sexes.


No I asked if it would help and not if it was their responsibility. You have this habit of musing about some tangent and not actually answering the question I asked.

You said the cause doesn't matter, but the solution. 

I'm not asking if women should be responsible for solving male resentment. I'm asking if you think it would help if THEY MADE ATTEMPTS TO UNDERSTAND it.

There is a big difference between just seeking to understand someone's resentment and helping them to work through it. Your response makes me think you are muddying the waters between the two.
just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
Darkman124 11 hours ago#50
TommyG663513 posted...

, but yeah you've still made a fair point. Obviously those women who are avoiding those men are making no attempt to understand them. Not that I entirely blame them for doing so. People want to do the more enjoyable things in life and understanding male resentment towards women typically isn't a pleasant experience.


i am experiencing the gender-flipped variant of this as a 30something. lots of bitter women who are honestly terrible catches whining about how there are no good men and men are [insert slur here]. frequent use of term 'f***boy', etc. 

i do not wish to engage with them and understand why they're mad. I know why they're mad: they can't get what they want. The causes of that are numerous, but the ultimate driver is simply that. And the individual solution to it is one we all know: improve yourself. The ways required for that are many and specific to the individual, but that's what has to happen--a personal choice to be better.

The same is true for women with the pissed off younger men.
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    Asherlee10 12 hours ago#51
    TommyG663513 posted...
    No I asked if it would help and not if it was their responsibility. You have this habit of musing about some tangent and not actually answering the question I asked.


    My answer is that I don't think it is the responsibility of anyone else except for the person who holds resentment; therefore I don't think it would help because these are internal thoughts.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Asherlee10 12 hours ago#52
    Darkman124 posted...
    And the individual solution to it is one we all know: improve yourself.


    Agreed. And I agree that this goes for both sexes. This attitude that some people have is not gender-specific and nor is it up to anyone else to fix that attitude except for themselves.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 12 hours ago#53
    Darkman124 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...

    , but yeah you've still made a fair point. Obviously those women who are avoiding those men are making no attempt to understand them. Not that I entirely blame them for doing so. People want to do the more enjoyable things in life and understanding male resentment towards women typically isn't a pleasant experience.


    i am experiencing the gender-flipped variant of this as a 30something. lots of bitter women who are honestly terrible catches whining about how there are no good men and men are [insert slur here]. frequent use of term 'f***boy', etc. 

    i do not wish to engage with them and understand why they're mad. I know why they're mad: they can't get what they want. The causes of that are numerous, but the ultimate driver is simply that. And the individual solution to it is one we all know: improve yourself. The ways required for that are many and specific to the individual, but that's what has to happen--a personal choice to be better.

    The same is true for women with the pissed off younger men.


    Yeah the only time I witnessed that type of attitude in women as a current 20something was in my Psychology of Women and Gender class. I imagine that type of attitude only becomes more prevalent in women into their 30's who have not achieved what they want as you stated.

    It certainly is difficult to understand on a deeper level than "they didn't get what they want, now they must improve." Again, you have stated as much.

    I guess I'm still trying to figure out why people seem to think it is so ok to label and hate on this "neckbeard" that supposedly has a completely irrational hatred/resentment towards women.

    The fact that it appears so prevalent implies a societal issue while people who want to judge and dismiss this people seem to think it is almost entirely the fault of each individual with said resentment.

    We rarely have control over the amount of baggage we receive in life. We just control our reaction to it and not everyone receives the same amount of baggage.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#54
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    No I asked if it would help and not if it was their responsibility. You have this habit of musing about some tangent and not actually answering the question I asked.


    My answer is that I don't think it is the responsibility of anyone else except for the person who holds resentment; therefore I don't think it would help because these are internal thoughts.


    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then. Again, you keep dodging my question. I'm talking about this more as a societal issue rather than one at the individual level.

    You said it yourself that you see a lot of bitter/resentment filled men on CE. Do you think this is purely a problem at the individual level or do you think there are societal causes at play here too?

    I never once asked about responsibility or actually solving an individuals resentment. I asked if it would help (meaning society as a whole, help you as a person to be more understanding or better able to relate) if you tried to better understand male resentment towards women.

    I just figure if you tried to understand them better you would shy away from terms like "neckbeard." It is a pejorative term after all.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Darkman124 11 hours ago#55
    TommyG663513 posted...


    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then.


    i dont think this is hard to admit

    similarly i am not very willing to understand female resentment towards men

    i just want to surround myself with pleasant people who are enjoyable to spend time with

    ditto for most women

    if someone has some f***ed toxic attitudes they should work on themselves and do their best to not carry that with them everywhere. eventually enough positive experience will clear their attitudes.
    And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not.
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    Asherlee10 11 hours ago#56
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then.


    Why should anyone when the responsibility of personal resentment is up to that person to change themselves? It seems like you're attempting to justify resentment in this manner.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    Again, you keep dodging my question. I'm talking about this more as a societal issue rather than one at the individual level.


    I've answered your question twice. At this point I'm not sure what other answer you'd like from me. Feel free to clarify further.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You said it yourself that you see a lot of bitter/resentment filled men on CE. Do you think this is purely a problem at the individual level or do you think there are societal causes at play here too?

    I think it is probably different for each person.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I never once asked about responsibility or actually solving an individuals resentment. I asked if it would help (meaning society as a whole, help you as a person to be more understanding or better able to relate) if you tried to better understand male resentment towards women.

    I answered that question and included the bit about responsibility because I feel it is relevant.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I just figure if you tried to understand them better you would shy away from terms like "neckbeard." It is a pejorative term after all.


    Again, I don't know why trying to understand the personal resentment of each person matters. It doesn't need justification and the change has to happen from the person holding the resentment. Also, I'm using the term neckbeard to reference an attitude, not a person. That word represents a specific attitude with a set of beliefs. If you have an alternative word to represent that in the same manner, I'm all ears.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    KingCrabCake 11 hours ago#57
    Why women hate men?
    Bulls 4 life ! 
    Get Rondo out of here.
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#58
    Darkman124 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...


    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then.


    i dont think this is hard to admit

    similarly i am not very willing to understand female resentment towards men

    i just want to surround myself with pleasant people who are enjoyable to spend time with

    ditto for most women

    if someone has some f***ed toxic attitudes they should work on themselves and do their best to not carry that with them everywhere. eventually enough positive experience will clear their attitudes.


    Yes me as well. That is why I also have to admit that it is very difficult for me to understand female resentment towards men, but I do have enough sense to know that I shouldn't go on a female dominated internet forum filled with said "types" of women and use pejorative terms to describe these women akin to "neckbeard."

    At the same time though, I do think it would help both me as an individual to understand these women better and their issues towards men. I think it would improve me by making me more empathetic. Ideally, a person with more empathy can subtlety influence more people to be more empathetic and help society as a whole. This is a way this can be helpful without it ever actually being your responsibility to help said person with resentment issues to work through them.

    But back to your point, yes I prefer to not really do this and just enjoy the small pleasures of life as it is too short and I don't want to spend a majority or even a large chunk of it trying to understand what I label as "someone else's problem."

    Though I do also combat that with my desire to learn and understand people. I just have to balance the need between trying to understand others and just focus on my own level of enjoyment in life.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Deadpool_18 11 hours ago#59
    Darkman124 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...


    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then.


    i dont think this is hard to admit

    similarly i am not very willing to understand female resentment towards men

    i just want to surround myself with pleasant people who are enjoyable to spend time with

    ditto for most women

    if someone has some f***ed toxic attitudes they should work on themselves and do their best to not carry that with them everywhere. eventually enough positive experience will clear their attitudes.


    This. It's not a societal issue.
    We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon, but there ain't no whales, so we tell tall tales, and sing our whaling tune.
    White_Female 11 hours ago#60
    CanuckCowboy 11 hours ago#61
    fenderbender321 posted...
    Because my mom was mean to me when I was a kid. She made me feel like everything was my fault. She didn't understand me. She yelled at me all the time. If I was struggling with anything in life, she'd victimize herself over it. 

    So basically, when a mom does that to her son, expect that son to grow up not respecting women.


    My mom didn't raise me but somehow I've avoided blaming every woman on the planet for it
    "I got a rollatruc, look."
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#62
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Ok just admit that you are not very willing to understand male resentment towards women at all then.


    Why should anyone when the responsibility of personal resentment is up to that person to change themselves? It seems like you're attempting to justify resentment in this manner.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    Again, you keep dodging my question. I'm talking about this more as a societal issue rather than one at the individual level.


    I've answered your question twice. At this point I'm not sure what other answer you'd like from me. Feel free to clarify further.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You said it yourself that you see a lot of bitter/resentment filled men on CE. Do you think this is purely a problem at the individual level or do you think there are societal causes at play here too?

    I think it is probably different for each person.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I never once asked about responsibility or actually solving an individuals resentment. I asked if it would help (meaning society as a whole, help you as a person to be more understanding or better able to relate) if you tried to better understand male resentment towards women.

    I answered that question and included the bit about responsibility because I feel it is relevant.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I just figure if you tried to understand them better you would shy away from terms like "neckbeard." It is a pejorative term after all.


    Again, I don't know why trying to understand the personal resentment of each person matters. It doesn't need justification and the change has to happen from the person holding the resentment. Also, I'm using the term neckbeard to reference an attitude, not a person. That word represents a specific attitude with a set of beliefs. If you have an alternative word to represent that in the same manner, I'm all ears.


    Ok you are clearly just being very stubborn and not making much of an attempt to understand what I'm asking you. 

    Maybe this will help,

    Is it a white person's responsibility to understand why a black person may feel resentful towards white people? Does their resentment being shared among other black people indicate that this is a much deeper problem, as in it isn't just an individual problem, but a societal one as well? Would it benefit you as an individual to try and be more understanding of their problem without making any attempt to help them work through their problem?

    You seem to really struggle with the idea that it isn't your responsibility to help anybody with their problems, but it can still be a great benefit to you as an individual if you learn to understand their problems.

    You basically seem to be arguing against the idea of empathy with the justification that it isn't your responsibility to solve anyone else's problems. Those two things aren't nearly as closely related as you seem to keep stating that they are.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
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    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#63
    CanuckCowboy posted...
    fenderbender321 posted...
    Because my mom was mean to me when I was a kid. She made me feel like everything was my fault. She didn't understand me. She yelled at me all the time. If I was struggling with anything in life, she'd victimize herself over it. 

    So basically, when a mom does that to her son, expect that son to grow up not respecting women.


    My mom didn't raise me but somehow I've avoided blaming every woman on the planet for it


    Yeah not every situation is exactly the same. I hope your intent with your statement isn't to shame him for not working through his resentment yet.

    These things can take time and not everyone is moving at the same rate or have the same amount of issues to work through.

    Then there is also the fact that interactions with your parents can help shape early interactions with your peers and that can further interact further interactions with future peers and on and on and on. It can be a difficult cycle to break and even be difficult to understand that a cycle even exists.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 11 hours ago#64
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Is it a white person's responsibility to understand why a black person may feel resentful towards white people? Does their resentment being shared among other black people indicate that this is a much deeper problem, as in it isn't just an individual problem, but a societal one as well. Would it benefit you as an individual to try and be more understanding of their problem without making any attempt to help them work through their problem.


    No, I don't think it's the responsibility of anyone else to understand someone's personal resentment. It is up to that individual. 

    I don't think that just because sometimes the resentment's root is shared with other people makes it any less individualized. 

    No, I don't think it would benefit me to understand the individualized resentment of each person. It's up to that person, not me. For example, let's say I have resentment towards people with blonde hair. I hate people with blonde hair because I was in an abusive relationship with someone that has blonde hair. It's up to me to work through that issue, not people with blonde hair. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You seem to really struggle with the idea that it isn't your responsibility to help anybody with their problems, but it can still be a great benefit to you as an individual if you learn to understand their problems.

    I don't feel I struggle with this at all. I understand my position clearly. And in this SPECIFIC case of resentment towards an entire sex (be it from women or men), I don't think it's the responsibility of anyone else except for that individual.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You basically seem to be arguing against the idea of empathy with the justification that it isn't your responsibility to solve anyone else's problems. Those two things aren't nearly as closely related as you seem to keep stating that they are.

    I see no reason to have empathy towards behaviors that are this unjustified and blanket resentment is one of them.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#65
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Is it a white person's responsibility to understand why a black person may feel resentful towards white people? Does their resentment being shared among other black people indicate that this is a much deeper problem, as in it isn't just an individual problem, but a societal one as well. Would it benefit you as an individual to try and be more understanding of their problem without making any attempt to help them work through their problem.


    No, I don't think it's the responsibility of anyone else to understand someone's personal resentment. It is up to that individual. 

    I don't think that just because sometimes the resentment's root is shared with other people makes it any less individualized. 

    No, I don't think it would benefit me to understand the individualized resentment of each person. It's up to that person, not me. For example, let's say I have resentment towards people with blonde hair. I hate people with blonde hair because I was in an abusive relationship with someone that has blonde hair. It's up to me to work through that issue, not people with blonde hair. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You seem to really struggle with the idea that it isn't your responsibility to help anybody with their problems, but it can still be a great benefit to you as an individual if you learn to understand their problems.

    I don't feel I struggle with this at all. I understand my position clearly. And in this SPECIFIC case of resentment towards an entire sex (be it from women or men), I don't think it's the responsibility of anyone else except for that individual.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You basically seem to be arguing against the idea of empathy with the justification that it isn't your responsibility to solve anyone else's problems. Those two things aren't nearly as closely related as you seem to keep stating that they are.

    I see no reason to have empathy towards behaviors that are this unjustified and blanket resentment is one of them.


    Yeah basically everything you've responded with feels like it could just be restated as "I have little or no empathy for others, I only ever worry or care about myself, I take no responsibility for any societal issues I could have contributed to."

    I get it. It's very self interested and has absolutely nothing to do with caring about others. You seem to have very little curiosity about other people. Everything is about you to you and other people be damned.

    Perhaps you just shouldn't ever comment on these types of topics and just stay out of it completely.

    You seem to think there is no such thing as societal issues and that we are all individuals and it is only us who can solve our own problems. Certainly some truth to it, but I would very much argue that the problem is a lot deeper than that.

    I didn't create the gender norms our society is run by and neither did you and it effects us all differently and I think there is a lot to be learned by learning about others.

    You apparently think there is nothing useful about trying to learn about another persons problems. It is a very selfish attitude and one you are entitled to.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 11 hours ago#66
    TommyG663513 posted...

    Yeah basically everything you've responded with feels like it could just be restated as "I have little or no empathy for others, I only ever worry or care about myself, I take no responsibility for any societal issues I could have contributed to."


    You're making a blanket assessment about my empathy based on 1 issue. Specifically, 1 issue that I feel does not need empathy because it is 100% up to the person holding the resentment to make the change. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I get it. It's very self interested and has absolutely nothing to do with caring about others. You seem to have very little curiosity about other people. Everything is about you to you and other people be damned.

    Perhaps you just shouldn't ever comment on these types of topics and just stay out of it completely.


    Perhaps you shouldn't make so many assumptions about me based on a single interaction about a very specific subject. You are the one that continued to ask me my thoughts. If you are not wanting to hear my opinion, don't keep asking me.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You seem to think there is no such thing as societal issues and that we are all individuals and it is only us who can solve our own problems. Certainly some truth to it, but I would very much argue that the problem is a lot deeper than that.


    Again, I suggest you stop making blanket statements about my beliefs based on 1 interaction about 1 specific subject. I do think that this specific subject is very individualized.

    You have no idea what I think of other issues societal or not.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You apparently think there is nothing useful about trying to learn about another persons problems. It is a very selfish attitude and one you are entitled to.

    And again, you have no idea what my opinions or attitudes are on other subjects except for this very specific subject we are discussing. You have no idea about my levels of empathy or anything else.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Twinmold 11 hours ago#67
    Yeah basically everything you've responded with feels like it could just be restated as "I have little or no empathy for others, I only ever worry or care about myself, I take no responsibility for any societal issues I could have contributed to."

    OMG! Why are you so mean? I just want to generalize half the population of the world as inferior! Why don't you care about me? I'M SOMEBODY'S LITTLE BOY!
    Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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    Asherlee10 11 hours ago#68
    Twinmold posted...
    Why don't you care about me? I'M SOMEBODY'S LITTLE BOY!


    What's odd is he's upset with me for not empathizing with people with absurd resentments towards others while he is making blanket statements and assumptions about my own character.

    I don't think that's irony, but it's something.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    CanuckCowboy 11 hours ago#69
    TommyG663513 posted...

    Yeah not every situation is exactly the same. I hope your intent with your statement isn't to shame him for not working through his resentment yet.


    Resentment is fine. 

    Being an adult and still not respecting any women because of what your mother did when you were young is absurd and ridiculous.
    "I got a rollatruc, look."
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#70
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...

    Yeah basically everything you've responded with feels like it could just be restated as "I have little or no empathy for others, I only ever worry or care about myself, I take no responsibility for any societal issues I could have contributed to."


    You're making a blanket assessment about my empathy based on 1 issue. Specifically, 1 issue that I feel does not need empathy because it is 100% up to the person holding the resentment to make the change. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I get it. It's very self interested and has absolutely nothing to do with caring about others. You seem to have very little curiosity about other people. Everything is about you to you and other people be damned.

    Perhaps you just shouldn't ever comment on these types of topics and just stay out of it completely.


    Perhaps you shouldn't make so many assumptions about me based on a single interaction about a very specific subject. You are the one that continued to ask me my thoughts. If you are not wanting to hear my opinion, don't keep asking me.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You seem to think there is no such thing as societal issues and that we are all individuals and it is only us who can solve our own problems. Certainly some truth to it, but I would very much argue that the problem is a lot deeper than that.


    Again, I suggest you stop making blanket statements about my beliefs based on 1 interaction about 1 specific subject. I do think that this specific subject is very individualized.

    You have no idea what I think of other issues societal or not.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You apparently think there is nothing useful about trying to learn about another persons problems. It is a very selfish attitude and one you are entitled to.

    And again, you have no idea what my opinions or attitudes are on other subjects except for this very specific subject we are discussing. You have no idea about my levels of empathy or anything else.


    "You have absolutely no idea about anything I think except for the parts where you pointed out exactly what I said."

    You are getting awfully defensive at this point. You keep responding to my statements individually, but you just keep restating yourself.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    TommyG663513 11 hours ago#71
    Twinmold posted...
    Yeah basically everything you've responded with feels like it could just be restated as "I have little or no empathy for others, I only ever worry or care about myself, I take no responsibility for any societal issues I could have contributed to."

    OMG! Why are you so mean? I just want to generalize half the population of the world as inferior! Why don't you care about me? I'M SOMEBODY'S LITTLE BOY!


    Yeah I never once said half the world is inferior or anything like that. Resentment isn't a be all end all that means you hate everyone. I sort of doubt your post is actually in reference to me, because it doesn't seem to have much to do with what I said at all.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    CanuckCowboy 11 hours ago#72
    TommyG663513 posted...

    Perhaps you just shouldn't ever comment on these types of topics and just stay out of it completely.


    So if anyone has a dissenting opinion or is unwilling to embrace anothers lack of respect for half the world populace they should just stay away and not comment? 

    Do you realize how asinine that sounds?
    "I got a rollatruc, look."
    Twinmold 11 hours ago#73
    Asherlee10 posted...
    I don't think that's irony, but it's something.

    It's a complete lack of self-awareness, which I've noticed is a trend amongst bitterbeards around here. You can tell a lot of them expected a lot more from themselves in life and are very frustrated people.
    Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#74
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Why don't you care about me? I'M SOMEBODY'S LITTLE BOY!


    What's odd is he's upset with me for not empathizing with people with absurd resentments towards others while he is making blanket statements and assumptions about my own character.

    I don't think that's irony, but it's something.


    I'm stating you don't seem to have much empathy for other people while you state you see no reason to seek to understand other people. Here I am asking you questions and seeking to understand. You never really answered my questions and just went on some tangent about why you think my questions aren't worth answering.

    I'm not saying these people have absurd resentments towards others. That is your interpretation. It's weird, because we aren't exactly using any specific examples that one could label as absurd. I'm sure some resentment is very much absurd, but other resentment is more well reasoned. Absurd is a pretty subjective term anyways. Resentment is a pretty general concept as well that can be further labeled as all sorts of things depending on the individual and their circumstances.

    In an extreme example, I wouldn't call it absurd for someone to hold resentment against all dogs if said person was viciously attacked by dogs on numerous occasions as a child and never once exposed to dogs in a friendly context.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#75
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "You have absolutely no idea about anything I think except for the parts where you pointed out exactly what I said."


    I think it is you that is having trouble understanding. You just spent a 300 word post making blanket statements and assumptions about my entire world view and my full belief sets based on my 1 opinion about whether or not I think I should empathize with each individual's reason for their resentment towards an entire sex. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You are getting awfully defensive at this point. You keep responding to my statements individually, but you just keep restating yourself.

    If you think that responding to each one of your points during this discussion is me being defensive, then you probably have an odd view of what defensive is, but that's up to you. 

    I've had to repeat myself because you have asked me the same questions multiple times. My answers are not going to change.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#76
    CanuckCowboy posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...

    Perhaps you just shouldn't ever comment on these types of topics and just stay out of it completely.


    So if anyone has a dissenting opinion or is unwilling to embrace anothers lack of respect for half the world populace they should just stay away and not comment? 

    Do you realize how asinine that sounds?


    Yeah no. It's more about her lack of ability to do anything than just repeat herself over and over and not ever address a question I ask her. It really isn't much of an open discussion.

    Resentment towards women doesn't mean you completely hate all of them and think they are evil. Some people seem to really struggle with not thinking in extremes on this issue. It doesn't mean you lack respect for the entirety of half a population. Resentment can be minor, extreme, or it can vary a lot over time and towards different people.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    thanosibe 10 hours ago#77
    If a person has resentment for someone, whether that be "justified" or not, is completely manufactured by the person with resentment and not by the person/group they are resenting. Resentment for whatever reason is a choice a person makes, and not an obligation by anyone to garner any attention to that resentment. Besides the fact that all resentment does is eat you from the inside out, and make you the kind of person that people find difficult to have empathy for.
    I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#78
    Twinmold posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    I don't think that's irony, but it's something.

    It's a complete lack of self-awareness, which I've noticed is a trend amongst bitterbeards around here. You can tell a lot of them expected a lot more from themselves in life and are very frustrated people.


    That and perhaps just a misguided view of reality in this specific scenario. I'm not sure I understand why it's so important for him or why he thinks others should empathize with people that hold blanket resentments across an entire sex. 

    This is a bit melodramatic, but it's like trying to empathize with an abuser. Is it really up to the victim to empathize with the abuser as to why he does what he does?
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#79
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "You have absolutely no idea about anything I think except for the parts where you pointed out exactly what I said."


    I think it is you that is having trouble understanding. You just spent a 300 word post making blanket statements and assumptions about my entire world view and my full belief sets based on my 1 opinion about whether or not I think I should empathize with each individual's reason for their resentment towards an entire sex. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You are getting awfully defensive at this point. You keep responding to my statements individually, but you just keep restating yourself.

    If you think that responding to each one of your points during this discussion is me being defensive, then you probably have an odd view of what defensive is, but that's up to you. 

    I've had to repeat myself because you have asked me the same questions multiple times. My answers are not going to change.


    Yeah me and you don't seem to see eye to eye one bit. You can't seem to understand a single thing I've said to you. You are taking this rather personal.

    You want to say "I have no responsibility or desire to ever understand someone else's resentment" and "Hey, I too have empathy for others." I mean they certainly can both be true statements, but you have to admit that the first statement does not indicate strong levels of empathy though not necessarily a complete lack of it.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#80
    TommyG663513 posted...
    'm stating you don't seem to have much empathy for other people while you state you see no reason to seek to understand other people. Here I am asking you questions and seeking to understand. You never really answered my questions and just went on some tangent about why you think my questions aren't worth answering.


    I've answered your questions multiple times. And I'd like to ask again that you stop making assumptions about who and what I empathize with outside of this specific scenario. 

    Just because I see no reason to empathize with people that resent an entire sex doesn't mean I lack empathy elsewhere.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I'm not saying these people have absurd resentments towards others. That is your interpretation. It's weird, because we aren't exactly using any specific examples that one could label as absurd. I'm sure some resentment is very much absurd, but other resentment is more well reasoned. Absurd is a pretty subjective term anyways. Resentment is a pretty general concept as well that can be further labeled as all sorts of things depending on the individual and their circumstances.

    It doesn't matter whether the resentment is absurd or not. @thanosibe says it right:

    thanosibe posted...
    If a person has resentment for someone, whether that be "justified" or not, is completely manufactured by the person with resentment and not by the person/group they are resenting. Resentment for whatever reason is a choice a person makes, and not an obligation by anyone to garner any attention to that resentment. Besides the fact that all resentment does is eat you from the inside out, and make you the kind of person that people find difficult to have empathy for.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#81
    Asherlee10 posted...
    Twinmold posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    I don't think that's irony, but it's something.

    It's a complete lack of self-awareness, which I've noticed is a trend amongst bitterbeards around here. You can tell a lot of them expected a lot more from themselves in life and are very frustrated people.


    That and perhaps just a misguided view of reality in this specific scenario. I'm not sure I understand why it's so important for him or why he thinks others should empathize with people that hold blanket resentments across an entire sex. 

    This is a bit melodramatic, but it's like trying to empathize with an abuser. Is it really up to the victim to empathize with the abuser as to why he does what he does?


    This isn't just about resentment towards women, but resentment in general. I used examples of a black guy resenting white people too or a child resenting dogs. Your response has continued to be the exact same that it isn't your problem (it isn't) and that you have no responsibility to understand (you don't), but you also state that you see absolutely no value in trying to understand. That is the problem here. You think trying to understand this stuff is as absurd as you label their resentment to be absurd.

    You seem to have this idea that resentment means you are an abusive a****** when it can mean a variety of things. This kind of goes back to me labeling you as not the most empathetic person. At the very least, you appear that way in this topic talking about this specific subject. Does that sound better for you?
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#82
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "You have absolutely no idea about anything I think except for the parts where you pointed out exactly what I said."


    I think it is you that is having trouble understanding. You just spent a 300 word post making blanket statements and assumptions about my entire world view and my full belief sets based on my 1 opinion about whether or not I think I should empathize with each individual's reason for their resentment towards an entire sex. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You are getting awfully defensive at this point. You keep responding to my statements individually, but you just keep restating yourself.

    If you think that responding to each one of your points during this discussion is me being defensive, then you probably have an odd view of what defensive is, but that's up to you. 

    I've had to repeat myself because you have asked me the same questions multiple times. My answers are not going to change.


    Yeah me and you don't seem to see eye to eye one bit. You can't seem to understand a single thing I've said to you. You are taking this rather personal.

    You want to say "I have no responsibility or desire to ever understand someone else's resentment" and "Hey, I too have empathy for others." I mean they certainly can both be true statements, but you have to admit that the first statement does not indicate strong levels of empathy though not necessarily a complete lack of it.


    I don't see where I am not understanding you. You think I should have empathy for those that resent entire sex. I say see no reason to have empathy for their resentment. It just seems like you just don't my answer. Which is fine, you don't have to like it. 

    I think it is intellectually dishonest of you to assume that I lack empathy in other areas of my life because I don't see a need to empathize with people's resentment of an entire sex.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#83
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    'm stating you don't seem to have much empathy for other people while you state you see no reason to seek to understand other people. Here I am asking you questions and seeking to understand. You never really answered my questions and just went on some tangent about why you think my questions aren't worth answering.


    I've answered your questions multiple times. And I'd like to ask again that you stop making assumptions about who and what I empathize with outside of this specific scenario. 

    Just because I see no reason to empathize with people that resent an entire sex doesn't mean I lack empathy elsewhere.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I'm not saying these people have absurd resentments towards others. That is your interpretation. It's weird, because we aren't exactly using any specific examples that one could label as absurd. I'm sure some resentment is very much absurd, but other resentment is more well reasoned. Absurd is a pretty subjective term anyways. Resentment is a pretty general concept as well that can be further labeled as all sorts of things depending on the individual and their circumstances.

    It doesn't matter whether the resentment is absurd or not. @thanosibe says it right:

    thanosibe posted...
    If a person has resentment for someone, whether that be "justified" or not, is completely manufactured by the person with resentment and not by the person/group they are resenting. Resentment for whatever reason is a choice a person makes, and not an obligation by anyone to garner any attention to that resentment. Besides the fact that all resentment does is eat you from the inside out, and make you the kind of person that people find difficult to have empathy for.


    Resentment comes from a place of self protection. Resentment, at least in its early stages, serves a very functional purpose. It is there to protect you from further harm.

    We all resent some person, group, place, whatever. No being on this earth is free from that, but we do vary in what degree we resent something or what exactly we resent.

    But yes resentment can absolutely consume a person if you let it linger for too long and you use your resentment as an excuse to mistreat others.

    I'm going to blow some of your minds here, you can be extremely resentful towards a group or a person and not let it drive you to actions that are harmful to said group/person. It can all be self contained. Not a healthy thing by any means, but it is better than actually harming someone else.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#84
    TommyG663513 posted...
    This isn't just about resentment towards women, but resentment in general. I used examples of a black guy resenting white people too or a child resenting dogs. Your response has continued to be the exact same that it isn't your problem (it isn't) and that you have no responsibility to understand (you don't), but you also state that you see absolutely no value in trying to understand. That is the problem here. You think trying to understand this stuff is as absurd as you label their resentment to be absurd.


    Now you're moving the goalposts. I've very clearly explained my opinion on the matter and you just don't seem to like it. Which is fine. You don't have to like it. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You seem to have this idea that resentment means you are an abusive a****** when it can mean a variety of things. This kind of goes back to me labeling you as not the most empathetic person. At the very least, you appear that way in this topic talking about this specific subject. Does that sound better for you?


    I didn't say that resentment means that person is an abusive a******. 

    And yes, I am speaking about this specific topic. Why shouldn't I?
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#85
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    'm stating you don't seem to have much empathy for other people while you state you see no reason to seek to understand other people. Here I am asking you questions and seeking to understand. You never really answered my questions and just went on some tangent about why you think my questions aren't worth answering.


    I've answered your questions multiple times. And I'd like to ask again that you stop making assumptions about who and what I empathize with outside of this specific scenario. 

    Just because I see no reason to empathize with people that resent an entire sex doesn't mean I lack empathy elsewhere.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I'm not saying these people have absurd resentments towards others. That is your interpretation. It's weird, because we aren't exactly using any specific examples that one could label as absurd. I'm sure some resentment is very much absurd, but other resentment is more well reasoned. Absurd is a pretty subjective term anyways. Resentment is a pretty general concept as well that can be further labeled as all sorts of things depending on the individual and their circumstances.

    It doesn't matter whether the resentment is absurd or not. @thanosibe says it right:

    thanosibe posted...
    If a person has resentment for someone, whether that be "justified" or not, is completely manufactured by the person with resentment and not by the person/group they are resenting. Resentment for whatever reason is a choice a person makes, and not an obligation by anyone to garner any attention to that resentment. Besides the fact that all resentment does is eat you from the inside out, and make you the kind of person that people find difficult to have empathy for.


    Resentment comes from a place of self protection. Resentment, at least in its early stages, serves a very functional purpose. It is there to protect you from further harm.

    We all resent some person, group, place, whatever. No being on this earth is free from that, but we do vary in what degree we resent something or what exactly we resent.

    But yes resentment can absolutely consume a person if you let it linger for too long and you use your resentment as an excuse to mistreat others.

    I'm going to blow some of your minds here, you can be extremely resentful towards a group or a person and not let it drive you to actions that are harmful to said group/person. It can all be self contained. Not a healthy thing by any means, but it is better than actually harming someone else.


    Okay, why is that relevant to our discussion? 

    I am not disputing whether or not people have resentment. I specifically said that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment a person holds over an entire sex. That is up to the individual to change and Darkman said it right. It's about self improvement.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#86
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "You have absolutely no idea about anything I think except for the parts where you pointed out exactly what I said."


    I think it is you that is having trouble understanding. You just spent a 300 word post making blanket statements and assumptions about my entire world view and my full belief sets based on my 1 opinion about whether or not I think I should empathize with each individual's reason for their resentment towards an entire sex. 

    TommyG663513 posted...
    You are getting awfully defensive at this point. You keep responding to my statements individually, but you just keep restating yourself.

    If you think that responding to each one of your points during this discussion is me being defensive, then you probably have an odd view of what defensive is, but that's up to you. 

    I've had to repeat myself because you have asked me the same questions multiple times. My answers are not going to change.


    Yeah me and you don't seem to see eye to eye one bit. You can't seem to understand a single thing I've said to you. You are taking this rather personal.

    You want to say "I have no responsibility or desire to ever understand someone else's resentment" and "Hey, I too have empathy for others." I mean they certainly can both be true statements, but you have to admit that the first statement does not indicate strong levels of empathy though not necessarily a complete lack of it.


    I don't see where I am not understanding you. You think I should have empathy for those that resent entire sex. I say see no reason to have empathy for their resentment. It just seems like you just don't my answer. Which is fine, you don't have to like it. 

    I think it is intellectually dishonest of you to assume that I lack empathy in other areas of my life because I don't see a need to empathize with people's resentment of an entire sex.


    I made that assumption, because I used other examples and of resentment and you maintained the exact same philosophy.

    IDK, I mean, I've put myself in position to try and understand women who are resentful of men. I've improved my level of understanding their issues, but I would certainly caution myself from ever saying I truly understand. I just understand to a better degree than I did before.

    It sounds like me labeling you as not being the most empathetic person in the world has really gotten under your skin. You like to cling to this idea that resentment is some sort of hateful extreme and not worth ever even attempting to understand. That kind of sounds like resentment in and of itself that you have to work through on your own.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#87
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    'm stating you don't seem to have much empathy for other people while you state you see no reason to seek to understand other people. Here I am asking you questions and seeking to understand. You never really answered my questions and just went on some tangent about why you think my questions aren't worth answering.


    I've answered your questions multiple times. And I'd like to ask again that you stop making assumptions about who and what I empathize with outside of this specific scenario. 

    Just because I see no reason to empathize with people that resent an entire sex doesn't mean I lack empathy elsewhere.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    I'm not saying these people have absurd resentments towards others. That is your interpretation. It's weird, because we aren't exactly using any specific examples that one could label as absurd. I'm sure some resentment is very much absurd, but other resentment is more well reasoned. Absurd is a pretty subjective term anyways. Resentment is a pretty general concept as well that can be further labeled as all sorts of things depending on the individual and their circumstances.

    It doesn't matter whether the resentment is absurd or not. @thanosibe says it right:

    thanosibe posted...
    If a person has resentment for someone, whether that be "justified" or not, is completely manufactured by the person with resentment and not by the person/group they are resenting. Resentment for whatever reason is a choice a person makes, and not an obligation by anyone to garner any attention to that resentment. Besides the fact that all resentment does is eat you from the inside out, and make you the kind of person that people find difficult to have empathy for.


    Resentment comes from a place of self protection. Resentment, at least in its early stages, serves a very functional purpose. It is there to protect you from further harm.

    We all resent some person, group, place, whatever. No being on this earth is free from that, but we do vary in what degree we resent something or what exactly we resent.

    But yes resentment can absolutely consume a person if you let it linger for too long and you use your resentment as an excuse to mistreat others.

    I'm going to blow some of your minds here, you can be extremely resentful towards a group or a person and not let it drive you to actions that are harmful to said group/person. It can all be self contained. Not a healthy thing by any means, but it is better than actually harming someone else.


    Okay, why is that relevant to our discussion? 

    I am not disputing whether or not people have resentment. I specifically said that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment a person holds over an entire sex. That is up to the individual to change and Darkman said it right. It's about self improvement.


    "I see no reason to empathize"

    That is why I put the "no empathy, limited or low empathy" label on you.

    I am basing this off of your own words. If you see no reason to ever empathize with a certain group of people then don't be shocked when people wonder if you have much empathy at all.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    thanosibe 10 hours ago#88
    Resentment comes from a place of self protection. Resentment, at least in its early stages, serves a very functional purpose. It is there to protect you from further harm.

    We all resent some person, group, place, whatever. No being on this earth is free from that, but we do vary in what degree we resent something or what exactly we resent.

    But yes resentment can absolutely consume a person if you let it linger for too long and you use your resentment as an excuse to mistreat others.

    I'm going to blow some of your minds here, you can be extremely resentful towards a group or a person and not let it drive you to actions that are harmful to said group/person. It can all be self contained. Not a healthy thing by any means, but it is better than actually harming someone else.
    I will agree that it can be benign at the very least, but it's never good. Resentment often times is about a plight in life or past sins of the group resented. Neither of which is fair to the group resented and something selfish on the person doing the resenting. Have I resented people when various plights in my life have brought me low? Sure. But I didn't expect any kind of recognition or attention from the group resented because it I was who chose to be so, and it was only I that could lift myself out of that rut.

    Resentment doesn't protect you as I see it. It's an excuse not to change your views about said group or person or to not move forward past that resentment so it no longer plagues you. Because I don't know about you, but resentment did not make me happy and letting go of it did wonders for my mental condition at the time.
    I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski
    LittleRoyal 10 hours ago#89
    Gimmick account trying to pretend everything is sexism, so people later will not take anyone seriously when they are victims of really sexist things
    I-I really needed this~~
    Time to stomp some faces!!!
    That_Happened 10 hours ago#90
    Most of the resentment on this board comes from a pretty simple source: I want sex badly, but almost all of the sex is controlled by women.
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#91
    Seriously, just go to a support group for Men victimized by women through sexual assault and try to understand the resentment issues these guys are going through. Just listen instead of labeling all male resentment towards women as some stupid "neckbeard" thing.

    This is why I why I took a feminism class and why I've talked in women's groups about this stuff. I recognized at one point it was stupid of me to label these women as "stupid landwhales who can't land a man." That was a very much not an empathetic attitude I had towards these women and I learned a lot about myself and grew as a person went I sought to understand other people. It was never my responsibility to solve their issues nor did I ever try to make it mine. I never once tried to solve their problems. I just listened to their problems and shared my thoughts on my own problems.

    You can have extreme resentment towards women for what one or a few did to you that left lasting harm and not absolutely hate all women. You seem to think having resentment towards women is some horrible awful and extreme issue. I'm not sure, but you have this avoidance of it that I'm really struggling to understand.

    You understand? You can have a lot of resentment, but still be in some stage of seeking understanding for your feelings and not be consumed by hate. It's something of a grey area.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    That_Happened 10 hours ago#92
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Seriously, just go to a support group for Men victimized by women through sexual assault and try to understand the resentment issues these guys are going through. Just listen instead of labeling all male resentment towards women as some stupid "neckbeard" thing.

    That's...totally not representative of the woman-hating men you see on CE. I think anyone could empathize with victims of sexual assault.
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#93
    TommyG663513 posted...
    I made that assumption, because I used other examples and of resentment and you maintained the exact same philosophy.


    I'm not addressing your other examples. I'm specifically saying that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    IDK, I mean, I've put myself in position to try and understand women who are resentful of men. I've improved my level of understanding their issues, but I would certainly caution myself from ever saying I truly understand. I just understand to a better degree than I did before.


    That's great for you. I see nothing wrong with that. I just don't personally see any reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

    TommyG663513 posted...
    It sounds like me labeling you as not being the most empathetic person in the world has really gotten under your skin. You like to cling to this idea that resentment is some sort of hateful extreme and not worth ever even attempting to understand. That kind of sounds like resentment in and of itself that you have to work through on your own.


    Making blanket statements and assumptions about my status of empathy outside of this specific subject is of course going to bother me. Who wouldn't be bothered when someone does something asinine like that? 

    Thankfully, I don't hold any resentments for entire groups of people or even any individual person I can think of. So, perhaps you should stop making assumptions about me.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    Lordsai 10 hours ago#94
    Because most of them are b****es. Weird how 95% of men think I'm awesome compared to 5% of women....makes me sometimes wish i was gay.
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#95
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "I see no reason to empathize"

    That is why I put the "no empathy, limited or low empathy" label on you.

    I am basing this off of your own words. If you see no reason to ever empathize with a certain group of people then don't be shocked when people wonder if you have much empathy at all.


    I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. I'll try to be as clear as possible.

    1. I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.
    2. Just because I see no reason to empathize with that specific scenario doesn't mean I lack empathy anywhere else.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    I do not hate women, I just understand them. Their opinions on things make no difference to me. Because I am not a herb.
    Asherlee10 10 hours ago#97
    thanosibe posted...
    Resentment often times is about a plight in life or past sins of the group resented. Neither of which is fair to the group resented and something selfish on the person doing the resenting.


    Exactly.
    "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#98
    thanosibe posted...
    Resentment comes from a place of self protection. Resentment, at least in its early stages, serves a very functional purpose. It is there to protect you from further harm.

    We all resent some person, group, place, whatever. No being on this earth is free from that, but we do vary in what degree we resent something or what exactly we resent.

    But yes resentment can absolutely consume a person if you let it linger for too long and you use your resentment as an excuse to mistreat others.

    I'm going to blow some of your minds here, you can be extremely resentful towards a group or a person and not let it drive you to actions that are harmful to said group/person. It can all be self contained. Not a healthy thing by any means, but it is better than actually harming someone else.
    I will agree that it can be benign at the very least, but it's never good. Resentment often times is about a plight in life or past sins of the group resented. Neither of which is fair to the group resented and something selfish on the person doing the resenting. Have I resented people when various plights in my life have brought me low? Sure. But I didn't expect any kind of recognition or attention from the group resented because it I was who chose to be so, and it was only I that could lift myself out of that rut.

    Resentment doesn't protect you as I see it. It's an excuse not to change your views about said group or person or to not move forward past that resentment so it no longer plagues you. Because I don't know about you, but resentment did not make me happy and letting go of it did wonders for my mental condition at the time.


    Resentment and a number of other maladaptive attitudes are absolutely AT ONE POINT very functional and "good" in a sense. They protect you in cases where you face extreme harm. This is true of every single "bad" defense mechanism. Typically they are all that is available to you as a child and you have to learn as an adult to move beyond them into something much more functional in society. Of course, resentment can also start in adulthood too, but it is hopefully easier to move beyond when developed that later in life. Traits developed as a child can be much more difficult to move beyond as an adult.

    But as you have stated, they can easily be very harmful to you if they continue for too long and are allowed to grow. The goal is never ever to hang onto resentment long term. I have never once stated it is something you should cling to. Just that we should seek to understand someone else's resentment instead of using a pejorative label like "neckbeard" to explain our level of understanding with it.

    My big argument that so many people ITT seem to have a problem with is that we should seek to understand those with resentment issues towards anything. It isn't our responsibility to solve their problems and us trying to understand their problems isn't an attempt to solve anything. It is about us learning not to resent their resentment. It's about growing and being more empathetic and not making statements like "they resent half of all people on this earth, so why should I ever try to understand them."

    Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
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    TommyG663513 10 hours ago#99
    Asherlee10 posted...
    TommyG663513 posted...
    "I see no reason to empathize"

    That is why I put the "no empathy, limited or low empathy" label on you.

    I am basing this off of your own words. If you see no reason to ever empathize with a certain group of people then don't be shocked when people wonder if you have much empathy at all.


    I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. I'll try to be as clear as possible.

    1. I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.
    2. Just because I see no reason to empathize with that specific scenario doesn't mean I lack empathy anywhere else.


    No the part where I said you lack empathy anywhere else was when I tried using different non men vs. women type resentment scenarios and you still said you would never seek to understand them.

    I get me saying "I don't think you have much or any empathy" has really gotten under your skin. I certainly could have rephrased that better, but at the same time you have to own up to the fact that your statements haven't exactly been brimming with empathy.
    just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
    That_Happened 10 hours ago#100
    TommyG663513 posted...
    Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.

    At this point you're defending resentment and saying it's not that bad, while telling people to be cautious of resenting other people's resentment.

    Troll. Moving along.
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      Twinmold 10 hours ago#101
      Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.

      People resent neckbeards because they say things like this:
      Because most of them are b****es. Weird how 95% of men think I'm awesome compared to 5% of women....makes me sometimes wish i was gay.


      Bitter narcissists tend not to receive much sympathy from society. Nobody really cares why you're a douche. Your reasoning is not a justification in our eyes. It's just the flimsy excuse you cling to.
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      TommyG663513 10 hours ago#102
      That_Happened posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.

      At this point you're defending resentment and saying it's not that bad, while telling people to be cautious of resenting other people's resentment.

      Troll. Moving along.


      Um no not at all. Resentment is certainly on the more primitive end of defense mechanisms and not something you hope to maintain. It's akin to running away from a problem when you are incapable of dealing with it. Certainly, running away was at one point functional, because you were incapable of dealing with it. If you were to just run away and then face the problem you likely wouldn't run away from future problems as you've learned some better skills to deal with it. If you only keep running away then that is all you learn and it becomes a very bad defense mechanism for you.

      You should be cautious of resenting other people's resentment. Though at the same time I understand the functionality behind that resentment in response to someone else's resentment. What I am advocating is that we seek to better understand someone else's resentment, because it makes us less susceptible to being resentful ourselves. It's easy to just label a group one way and not give it another thought. We need to move beyond that though.

      The person with the original resentment very much has to move beyond that as well. We all have to move beyond resentment, but at the same time understand why we held those feelings and what the purpose was of them and why it is now completely maladaptive. That is just part of moving beyond it is understanding why it is there.

      People seem to confuse the idea of trying to understand someone else's resentment with helping them or making their resentment your responsibility. That isn't the idea I am trying to put out there at all.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      Asherlee10 10 hours ago#103
      TommyG663513 posted...
      No the part where I said you lack empathy anywhere else was when I tried using different non men vs. women type resentment scenarios and you still said you would never seek to understand them.


      You've stated multiple times that you think I am devoid of empathy in all other areas based on the fact that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I get me saying "I don't think you have much or any empathy" has really gotten under your skin. I certainly could have rephrased that better, but at the same time you have to own up to the fact that your statements haven't exactly been brimming with empathy.


      I don't have to own up to anything here. You made an asinine assumption about my empathy in other areas and even assumptions about my belief sets with no knowledge outside of 1 specific scenario. You act as though it's absurd for someone to be bothered about someone making those assumptions.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      Asherlee10 10 hours ago#104
      Twinmold posted...
      Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.

      People resent neckbeards because they say things like this:
      Because most of them are b****es. Weird how 95% of men think I'm awesome compared to 5% of women....makes me sometimes wish i was gay.


      Bitter narcissists tend not to receive much sympathy from society. Nobody really cares why you're a douche. Your reasoning is not a justification in our eyes. It's just the flimsy excuse you cling to.


      Agreed and that is a great example.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      TommyG663513 9 hours ago#105
      Twinmold posted...
      Having such a big problem with another person's resentment can grow and fester into its own level of resentment. Does anyone on this board have resentment towards the "neckbeards" as other people like to phrase it? Of course they do. It's very obvious ITT.

      People resent neckbeards because they say things like this:
      Because most of them are b****es. Weird how 95% of men think I'm awesome compared to 5% of women....makes me sometimes wish i was gay.


      Bitter narcissists tend not to receive much sympathy from society. Nobody really cares why you're a douche. Your reasoning is not a justification in our eyes. It's just the flimsy excuse you cling to.


      Yeah his statement that 95% of men thinks he is awesome compared to 5% of women does come off a bit abrasive.

      It's also judgmental to call him a narcissist or a douche. For all I know that guy was severely abused by women growing up and his comments are in some sense justified. Or maybe he is just an extreme narcissist. That still is a possibility. We'll just never have much of a real idea if we just write him off that way from the start. That is why we should seek to understand these people better.

      We all love to use the image of the "neckbeard," because it paints the picture of a fat, lonely, basement dweller, living with his parents, who is just pissed at everyone who doesn't think they are awesome. It's very easy to just hate that person and never try to understand him. It is a lazy pejorative. We do it, because we don't want to put forth the effort to try and understand someone. It's just way easier to write them off and say the problem is entirely them.

      It's easier to say "they have problems and I'm way better off than them" than it is to recognize we have the same or similar problems to a different degree.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      TommyG663513 9 hours ago#106
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      No the part where I said you lack empathy anywhere else was when I tried using different non men vs. women type resentment scenarios and you still said you would never seek to understand them.


      You've stated multiple times that you think I am devoid of empathy in all other areas based on the fact that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I get me saying "I don't think you have much or any empathy" has really gotten under your skin. I certainly could have rephrased that better, but at the same time you have to own up to the fact that your statements haven't exactly been brimming with empathy.


      I don't have to own up to anything here. You made an asinine assumption about my empathy in other areas and even assumptions about my belief sets with no knowledge outside of 1 specific scenario. You act as though it's absurd for someone to be bothered about someone making those assumptions.


      Quit repeating yourself. I get that you have no desire to own up to anything you've said ITT that may have been less than perfect. You want to think you understand absolutely everything perfectly instead of expressing a shred of vulnerability. It is very obvious that you want to cling to me saying "you lack a sense of empathy," because you can over and over say it is wrong even when I admitted that yeah I shouldn't have said that. You can't manage to drop that or move beyond it. It makes you feel resentful towards me.

      Try to think about the resentment you've developed towards me and what you may share in common towards other people who hold resentment.

      Guess what, we all deal with resentment, we just all tend to get better at dealing with it the older we get.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      Asherlee10 9 hours ago#107
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      No the part where I said you lack empathy anywhere else was when I tried using different non men vs. women type resentment scenarios and you still said you would never seek to understand them.


      You've stated multiple times that you think I am devoid of empathy in all other areas based on the fact that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I get me saying "I don't think you have much or any empathy" has really gotten under your skin. I certainly could have rephrased that better, but at the same time you have to own up to the fact that your statements haven't exactly been brimming with empathy.


      I don't have to own up to anything here. You made an asinine assumption about my empathy in other areas and even assumptions about my belief sets with no knowledge outside of 1 specific scenario. You act as though it's absurd for someone to be bothered about someone making those assumptions.


      Quit repeating yourself. I get that you have no desire to own up to anything you've said ITT that may have been less than perfect. You want to think you understand absolutely everything perfectly instead of expressing a shred of vulnerability. It is very obvious that you want to cling to me saying "you lack a sense of empathy," because you can over and over say it is wrong even when I admitted that yeah I shouldn't have said that. You can't manage to drop that or move beyond it. It makes you feel resentful towards me.

      Try to think about the resentment you've developed towards me and what you may share in common towards other people who hold resentment.

      Guess what, we all deal with resentment, we just all tend to get better at dealing with it the older we get.


      I will keep repeating myself because you have nothing but a circular argument. Multiple have tried to explain to you that it is not up to the person who is resented to have empathy, it is the person who holds the resentment to do something about it. 

      And what do you think I need "own up to," exactly? There is nothing I need to own up to. I've stated my beliefs, they are mine not anyone else's. 

      I don't have any resentment towards you and I'm not sure why you think I do.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      TommyG663513 9 hours ago#108
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      No the part where I said you lack empathy anywhere else was when I tried using different non men vs. women type resentment scenarios and you still said you would never seek to understand them.


      You've stated multiple times that you think I am devoid of empathy in all other areas based on the fact that I see no reason to empathize with the resentment people hold over an entire sex.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I get me saying "I don't think you have much or any empathy" has really gotten under your skin. I certainly could have rephrased that better, but at the same time you have to own up to the fact that your statements haven't exactly been brimming with empathy.


      I don't have to own up to anything here. You made an asinine assumption about my empathy in other areas and even assumptions about my belief sets with no knowledge outside of 1 specific scenario. You act as though it's absurd for someone to be bothered about someone making those assumptions.


      Quit repeating yourself. I get that you have no desire to own up to anything you've said ITT that may have been less than perfect. You want to think you understand absolutely everything perfectly instead of expressing a shred of vulnerability. It is very obvious that you want to cling to me saying "you lack a sense of empathy," because you can over and over say it is wrong even when I admitted that yeah I shouldn't have said that. You can't manage to drop that or move beyond it. It makes you feel resentful towards me.

      Try to think about the resentment you've developed towards me and what you may share in common towards other people who hold resentment.

      Guess what, we all deal with resentment, we just all tend to get better at dealing with it the older we get.


      I will keep repeating myself because you have nothing but a circular argument. Multiple have tried to explain to you that it is not up to the person who is resented to have empathy, it is the person who holds the resentment to do something about it. 

      And what do you think I need "own up to," exactly? There is nothing I need to own up to. I've stated my beliefs, they are mine not anyone else's. 

      I don't have any resentment towards you and I'm not sure why you think I do.


      Yeah you're definitely right. Absolutely every single statement you have made is because of me and you have no responsibility to that whatsoever.

      Yeah I stated it isn't their responsibility to understand the resentful person. I've never once stated it is their responsibility.

      I have stated IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE if you or anyone try to understand another persons resentment. It would encourage you to not do things like use a pejorative term to refer to a group of people. Though of course understanding someone else in this context is most likely to be about helping you in a way. Theoretically it would help the other person, but that isn't exactly the goal. It's more of a tangent.

      Get it yet? I'll dumb it down further for you.

      YOU DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE ELSE'S RESENTMENT

      It would just be beneficial to YOURSELF. There is a difference between seeking understanding of someone else's resentment and helping them through their own resentment.

      Not once have I ever said you or anyone should seek to help another person deal with their resentment. Not once have I said that, but you seem to think I've said that on multiple occasions.

      Do you understand the difference yet?
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      WizardPowers 9 hours ago#109
      Women just expect way too much. Out of friends and out of relationship partners. And most of my female friends talk mad s*** about other friends behind their backs where my male friends talk s*** to people's faces which I respect a lot more.

      None of my female friends ever invite the dudes to just do a thing. They have to have to be able to help the girl in some way (move something, give advice on something, numerous other things) and then they can do the thing. The guys constantly invite me/others over just to hang and do the thing and then leave.
      Twinmold 9 hours ago#110
      For all I know that guy was severely abused by women growing up and his comments are in some sense justified.

      Fun fact, nobody cares. Oh your mom was mean to you, so now let's have a pity party for the person espousing offensive ideologies or opinions? Life doesn't work like that, and instead of taking the hint, that people don't want to spend time around those who value such things, you double down on being a douche, and insist that nobody wants to understand you.

      Again, my mom was a capital b****. Don't give me the sob my mommy was mean to me junk. It doesn't fly with me.
      Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
      Asherlee10 9 hours ago#111
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Yeah you're definitely right. Absolutely every single statement you have made is because of me and you have no responsibility to that whatsoever.


      What does this even mean?

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I have stated IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE if you or anyone try to understand another persons resentment. It would encourage you to not do things like use a pejorative term to refer to a group of people. Though of course understanding someone else in this context is most likely to be about helping you in a way. Theoretically it would help the other person, but that isn't exactly the goal. It's more of a tangent.


      And I've stated I disagree. I see no reason or benefit to empathize or even understand why someone resents an entire sex. Context to their resentment means nothing to the person being resented.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      It would just be beneficial to YOURSELF. There is a difference between seeking understanding of someone else's resentment and helping them through their own resentment.


      And I disagree. 

      TommyG663513 posted...
      Get it yet? I'll dumb it down further for you.

      YOU DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE ELSE'S RESENTMENT


      I'm not sure why you think this condescending attitude of yours is needed. You sit here on your high horse trying to tell everyone else we should be empathizing with the resentment someone holds over an entire sex, yet you've been nothing but condescending in this topic. I think THAT might be irony.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      TommyG663513 9 hours ago#112
      Twinmold posted...
      For all I know that guy was severely abused by women growing up and his comments are in some sense justified.

      Fun fact, nobody cares. Oh your mom was mean to you, so now let's have a pity party for the person espousing offensive ideologies or opinions? Life doesn't work like that, and instead of taking the hint, that people don't want to spend time around those who value such things, you double down on being a douche, and insist that nobody wants to understand you.

      Again, my mom was a capital b****. Don't give me the sob my mommy was mean to me junk. It doesn't fly with me.


      Yeah I'm not trying to justify being a douche or say it is a good thing or that you should be nice back or even want to communicate with him at all. The only thing I've advocated for is that you should attempt to understand. You are more than welcome to make your own personal decisions for who to spend your time with.

      I'm not sure on how you think I'm doubling down on being a douche. The worst thing I said to anyone ITT is telling Asherlee I don't think she has high empathy levels. I never said one thing bad about women at all. I've just been arguing with people about the idea of resentment and what should be done about it.

      I get it that you want to use your story with your mom as a tool to shame other people. Someone who had moved completely beyond it would have never brought it up or used it as a tool to shame someone in an argument. I could call you a douche right back for that, but I'd prefer to think that your behavior worked at one time very well and you still cling to it. It clearly still bothers you and I feel for that. I'm no stranger to emotional pain and I can empathize.

      I'm sorry your mom was crappy to you and I hope you continue to feel a bit better everyday.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      TommyG663513 9 hours ago#113
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Yeah you're definitely right. Absolutely every single statement you have made is because of me and you have no responsibility to that whatsoever.


      What does this even mean?

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I have stated IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE if you or anyone try to understand another persons resentment. It would encourage you to not do things like use a pejorative term to refer to a group of people. Though of course understanding someone else in this context is most likely to be about helping you in a way. Theoretically it would help the other person, but that isn't exactly the goal. It's more of a tangent.


      And I've stated I disagree. I see no reason or benefit to empathize or even understand why someone resents an entire sex. Context to their resentment means nothing to the person being resented.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      It would just be beneficial to YOURSELF. There is a difference between seeking understanding of someone else's resentment and helping them through their own resentment.


      And I disagree. 

      TommyG663513 posted...
      Get it yet? I'll dumb it down further for you.

      YOU DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE ELSE'S RESENTMENT


      I'm not sure why you think this condescending attitude of yours is needed. You sit here on your high horse trying to tell everyone else we should be empathizing with the resentment someone holds over an entire sex, yet you've been nothing but condescending in this topic. I think THAT might be irony.


      No I started being condescending to you, because I quite frankly don't care for your opinions or the fact that you don't seem to understand anything I say, but still argue with it. I talk down to you, because you've proven yourself incapable or completely unwilling to understand anything I say. None of your responses ever seem to address what I'm talking about. You clearly have your own problems.

      Done with you.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
      White_Female 9 hours ago#114
      men are terrible
      Twinmold 9 hours ago#115
      I get it that you want to use your story with your mom as a tool to shame other people. Someone who had moved completely beyond it would have never brought it up or used it as a tool to shame someone in an argument.

      Lol, you brought up mean mommies as a justification for yours and others attitudes. Don't blame this on me because as someone who had experience on the subject, I didn't let your sob story get an inch in.
      Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
      Because hatred defined today means I am willing to criticize something, not like something, not give something to someone, disagree with, or otherwise not completely be on the side of someone or to deny them what they want.

      Hence I hate women and other groups because I think about myself and don't give into people that think everything is all about them.
      Asherlee10 8 hours ago#117
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Asherlee10 posted...
      TommyG663513 posted...
      Yeah you're definitely right. Absolutely every single statement you have made is because of me and you have no responsibility to that whatsoever.


      What does this even mean?

      TommyG663513 posted...
      I have stated IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE if you or anyone try to understand another persons resentment. It would encourage you to not do things like use a pejorative term to refer to a group of people. Though of course understanding someone else in this context is most likely to be about helping you in a way. Theoretically it would help the other person, but that isn't exactly the goal. It's more of a tangent.


      And I've stated I disagree. I see no reason or benefit to empathize or even understand why someone resents an entire sex. Context to their resentment means nothing to the person being resented.

      TommyG663513 posted...
      It would just be beneficial to YOURSELF. There is a difference between seeking understanding of someone else's resentment and helping them through their own resentment.


      And I disagree. 

      TommyG663513 posted...
      Get it yet? I'll dumb it down further for you.

      YOU DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE ELSE'S RESENTMENT


      I'm not sure why you think this condescending attitude of yours is needed. You sit here on your high horse trying to tell everyone else we should be empathizing with the resentment someone holds over an entire sex, yet you've been nothing but condescending in this topic. I think THAT might be irony.


      No I started being condescending to you, because I quite frankly don't care for your opinions or the fact that you don't seem to understand anything I say, but still argue with it. I talk down to you, because you've proven yourself incapable or completely unwilling to understand anything I say. None of your responses ever seem to address what I'm talking about. You clearly have your own problems.

      Done with you.


      Let me see if I understand this bit.

      You thought being condescending was a good course of action because you 'don't care for my opinions?'

      I understand your position very well. You've just said you don't like my opinion on the matter. And I think your position/opinion is absurd and holds no weight which I've thoroughly explained in this topic, as have several other people. 

      And here you are again trying to say I have problems simply because you don't agree with me and "don't care for my opinions." Seems like your projecting and want to paint me as some bad guy.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      KILBOTz 8 hours ago#118
      I don't hate women overall but I sure am getting tired of a bunch of the single 30+ year old women I work with. I am 34, still unmarried and make good money, there is a portion of the over 30 year old single women that straight up hate me it feels like. Seems like it is slightly more common with single mothers. 

      I imagine it is kind of like how hot girls feel but who knows.
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      Asherlee10 8 hours ago#120
      KILBOTz posted...
      Seems like it is slightly more common with single mothers.


      So many people have entitlement when it comes to their lives and it's infuriating. 

      "well, so-and-so has this. I deserve that."
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
      iamintents 8 hours ago#121
      Looked gf 8 hours ago#122
      iamintents posted...
      Damn this sad topic

      This, I expected a joke topic
      Tadamoto19 8 hours ago#123
      White_Female posted...
      why do you hate women?

      Well let's see.

      1. They basically have life on easy mode compared to men.

      Men are more likely to be murdered or assaulted.
      Men live shorter lives.
      Men are more likely to be homeless.
      Men are more likely to be criminally profiled and sent to jail.
      Men receive longer sentences for the same crimes.
      Men die more often at work.
      Men are less likely to receive government benefits when they fail.
      Male rape victims are seen as a joke(prison rape, and female teachers).
      Men get f***ed over by alimony and child support.
      Men are more likely to kill themselves


      2. They can easily get into relationships without even trying.

      3. I don't believe that they genuinely care about men. For example, if a girl breaks up with her boyfriend, whether she wanted the break up or he did, within a week she's in bed with some other dude. That tells me she didn't give a damn about him since she replaced him so quickly.

      4. I don't believe that they understand (or care) that men have feelings. Overall throughout my life girls have pretty much treated me like dirt. They've rejected me, ignored me, made fun of me, unnecessarily rude to me, tossed me aside like s***. The only woman who ever cared about me is my mom.

      5. The majority of women are extremely shallow and superficial. They only want the super handsome macho arrogant buff tattooed douchebag type of guy. Even if they are unattractive themselves.
      DeroIin 8 hours ago#124
      The majority of CE continues to be weird, racist, misogynistic trash. I already knew that but this topic reinforces that belief
      1 up
      Asherlee10 8 hours ago#125
      DeroIin posted...
      The majority of CE continues to be weird, racist, misogynistic trash. I already knew that but this topic reinforces that belief


      No kidding. Tadamoto's post above yours is alarming.
      "Opinions should be a result of a thought, not a substitute for it."
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      chill02 8 hours ago#127
      ahahahahahaha
      Ave, true to Caesar.
      ssj3vegeta_ 8 hours ago#128
      CanuckCowboy 7 hours ago#129
      Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
      Tadamoto19 posted...
      White_Female posted...
      why do you hate women?

      Well let's see.

      1. They basically have life on easy mode compared to men.

      Men are more likely to be murdered or assaulted.
      Men live shorter lives.
      Men are more likely to be homeless.
      Men are more likely to be criminally profiled and sent to jail.
      Men receive longer sentences for the same crimes.
      Men die more often at work.
      Men are less likely to receive government benefits when they fail.
      Male rape victims are seen as a joke(prison rape, and female teachers).
      Men get f***ed over by alimony and child support.
      Men are more likely to kill themselves


      2. They can easily get into relationships without even trying.

      3. I don't believe that they genuinely care about men. For example, if a girl breaks up with her boyfriend, whether she wanted the break up or he did, within a week she's in bed with some other dude. That tells me she didn't give a damn about him since she replaced him so quickly.

      4. I don't believe that they understand (or care) that men have feelings. Overall throughout my life girls have pretty much treated me like dirt. They've rejected me, ignored me, made fun of me, unnecessarily rude to me, tossed me aside like s***. The only woman who ever cared about me is my mom.

      5. The majority of women are extremely shallow and superficial. They only want the super handsome macho arrogant buff tattooed douchebag type of guy. Even if they are unattractive themselves.


      Yep. Women only care about what you can provide for them, not herbs who worship and to only get a pity hug from them. I remember Stefan Moleynux said that the reason these women act like towards men is because the state is their daddy and that's why Friend Zones exist. That blew my freaking mind because back in the old days you had the to be in royalty, war machine and etc to get the ladies which make sense because the men did everything. Great post.


      Good f***ing grief Charlie Brown.
      "I got a rollatruc, look."
      Lightsasori 7 hours ago#130
      I wouldn't be surprised if this topic reaches 500.
      "Yare yare daze" ~ Jotaro Kujo
      "Children are pure, they know who's the strongest." ~ MaskDeSmith
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      Twinmold 7 hours ago#132
      Aaaand this topic went from smoking to on fire.
      Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
      KILBOTz 7 hours ago#133
      Asherlee10 posted...
      DeroIin posted...
      The majority of CE continues to be weird, racist, misogynistic trash. I already knew that but this topic reinforces that belief


      No kidding. Tadamoto's post above yours is alarming.


      eh im pretty sure bitter misogynist is his gimmick
      TommyG663513 6 hours ago#134
      Twinmold posted...
      I get it that you want to use your story with your mom as a tool to shame other people. Someone who had moved completely beyond it would have never brought it up or used it as a tool to shame someone in an argument.

      Lol, you brought up mean mommies as a justification for yours and others attitudes. Don't blame this on me because as someone who had experience on the subject, I didn't let your sob story get an inch in.


      Yeah I never once used my own family or parents for any justification for anything. I never once mentioned my family, but you did. You have really bad reading comprehension. Go back and find the quote. I already quoted you when you flashed your badge of courage about overcoming problems with your mom and tree shaming me with it. I've seen that trick used plenty of times.
      just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156
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