Cal State to no longer require placement exams and remedial classes

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Transcendentia 9 hours ago#1 http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-cal-state-remedial-requirements-20170803-story.html lmfao Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#2 Placement exams and remedial classes are outdated anyhow Imagine finishing high school properly... then having to go over pretty much everything you already know because the older people in your class aren't quite there for it. If you DON'T already know this stuff, you probably shouldn't be in college. Remedial classes also are just ways to generate revenue for the college without actually progressing a student's education - it's a waste of time and money for both the institution and the student im a good person reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#3 joeun_saram posted... Imagine finishing high school properly... then having to go over pretty much everything you already know because the older people in your class aren't quite there for it. If you DON'T already know this stuff, you probably shouldn't be in college. This is why placement exams and remedial classes exist - so that you don't have to waste your time and money there if you can prove that you know the material. Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

BilalPowell 9 hours ago#4 They replacing them with adult coloring contests? Start me, bench Forte reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#5 Transcendentia posted... This is why placement exams and remedial classes exist - so that you don't have to waste your time and money there if you can prove that you know the material. >i already know it >so i should have to prove i know it again >instead of you know, just taking the class im a good person reportquote

Nomadic View 9 hours ago#6 BilalPowell posted... They replacing them with adult coloring contests? It's not a contest! It's an event. Everyone gets a trophy. {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> reportquote

--kresnik-- 9 hours ago#7 California needs a federal take over and restructure. Trump 2020 reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#8 BilalPowell posted... They replacing them with adult coloring contests? yeah, and playdoh sculpting contests everyone will be a winner though, of course joeun_saram posted... >i already know it >so i should have to prove i know it again exactly. you're getting it! Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

BilalPowell 9 hours ago#9 Nomadic View posted... BilalPowell posted... They replacing them with adult coloring contests? It's not a contest! It's an event. Everyone gets a trophy. my bad Start me, bench Forte reportquote

Ranting Nord 9 hours ago#10 What if what High School A thinks you should know for a topic and College B thinks you should know for a topic are different? The college certainly can't poll every high school about what they're teaching. Maybe they should give you an exam. I'd rather take a quick test than sign up for and pay for a class I might not actually be capable of passing. I'll think of a sig later. reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#11 Ranting Nord posted... What if what High School A thinks you should know for a topic and College B thinks you should know for a topic are different? The college certainly can't poll every high school about what they're teaching. Maybe they should give you an exam. I'd rather take a quick test than sign up for and pay for a class I might not actually be capable of passing. Have you...actually been to college? im a good person reportquote

Ranting Nord 9 hours ago#12 joeun_saram posted... Ranting Nord posted... What if what High School A thinks you should know for a topic and College B thinks you should know for a topic are different? The college certainly can't poll every high school about what they're teaching. Maybe they should give you an exam. I'd rather take a quick test than sign up for and pay for a class I might not actually be capable of passing. Have you...actually been to college? Sure have. And graduated. I'll think of a sig later. reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#13 Do you remember how your registration process went What you had to send it to apply im a good person (edited 9 hours ago)reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#14 Oh look a part of the article that supports my claims Currently, students who enter Cal State without demonstrating college readiness in math and/or English are required to take up to three traditional remedial classes before they are allowed to enroll in courses that count toward their degrees. (If students do not pass these remedial courses during the first year, they are removed from university rolls.) The problem is that these noncredit remedial courses cost the students more money and time, keep many in limbo and often frustrate them to the point that some eventually drop out, administrators said. In a recent study of similar college-prep work at community colleges, the Public Policy Institute of California found that remedial programs — also called developmental education — largely fail to help most students complete their academic or vocational programs. Having so many students start their freshman year being told that they are already behind and giving them just one year to dig themselves out also doesn't help foster a sense of social or academic belonging, officials said. im a good person reportquote

BilalPowell 9 hours ago#15 Maybe the college is just getting ready for their inevitable free tuition and saving money. Start me, bench Forte reportquote

Ranting Nord 9 hours ago#16 Not all of it but I took a math placement test that had some weird ass algebra that I hadn't learned to get into calc. I'll think of a sig later. reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#17 @joeun_saram what is your main account Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#18 i don't hide who i am im a good person reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#19 then what was your previous account? Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#20 You know who I am prodclod im a good person reportquote

Sad_Face 9 hours ago#21 joeun_saram posted... Oh look a part of the article that supports my claims Your claim is completely different from what they're talking about. Students don't know the material and they lose their motivation to finish with being setback with classes and still aren't helpful in preparing them for the subjects they struggle with. The only claim you share with the article is hat it wastes students' money and time. imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#22 who? Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

joeun_saram 9 hours ago#23 Oh true, yeah oh right I did say the opposite  It's also true that they're a waste of time for people who already know the material, though, as well as for those who are under prepared (who personally I maintain should not be in college) im a good person reportquote

Coffeebeanz 9 hours ago#24 At this point, a doctoral level degree is roughly on-par academically with a standard Bachelor's degree from 50 years ago. Physician [Internal Medicine] reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#25 tagging joeun_saram appropriately Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

ThePrinceFish 9 hours ago#26 joeun_saram posted... Oh look a part of the article that supports my claims Currently, students who enter Cal State without demonstrating college readiness in math and/or English are required to take up to three traditional remedial classes before they are allowed to enroll in courses that count toward their degrees. (If students do not pass these remedial courses during the first year, they are removed from university rolls.) The problem is that these noncredit remedial courses cost the students more money and time, keep many in limbo and often frustrate them to the point that some eventually drop out, administrators said. In a recent study of similar college-prep work at community colleges, the Public Policy Institute of California found that remedial programs — also called developmental education — largely fail to help most students complete their academic or vocational programs. Having so many students start their freshman year being told that they are already behind and giving them just one year to dig themselves out also doesn't help foster a sense of social or academic belonging, officials said. I like how you left out this shocking statistic from just before this excerpt.  At Cal State, about 40% of freshmen each year are considered not ready for college-level work and required to take remedial classes that do not count toward their degrees. 40% is ridiculous. These people should not be admitted to college. Instead they are just pushing them through regardless. Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)9 hours ago#27 ThePrinceFish posted... 40% is ridiculous. These people should not be admitted to college. Instead they are just pushing them through regardless. It's because the left doesn't actually want people to learn math, English, and critical thinking. They just want to push them through indoctrination camps so that they have more SJW slacktivists roaming around. Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

iosifsvoboda 9 hours ago#28 What is the point of high school when you learn it again in college ^_^ reportquote

Broseph_Stalin 9 hours ago#29 ThePrinceFish posted... I like how you left out this shocking statistic from just before this excerpt. I like how you left out the fact that the students didn't actually need to be placed in remedial classes.  SPOILERS: People who couldn't pass a remedial class are not going to make it through the required classes. This isn't about pushing dumb people through college CE just has an amazing ability to miss the point of every single article that's posted here even when it's a Proudclad s***post™ and you know you aren't getting the whole story from the topic title. reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)7 hours ago#30 Broseph_Stalin posted... ThePrinceFish posted... I like how you left out this shocking statistic from just before this excerpt. I like how you left out the fact that the students didn't actually need to be placed in remedial classes.  SPOILERS: People who couldn't pass a remedial class are not going to make it through the required classes. This isn't about pushing dumb people through college CE just has an amazing ability to miss the point of every single article that's posted here even when it's a Proudclad s***post™ and you know you aren't getting the whole story from the topic title. The topic title is literally the article's title Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

COVxy 7 hours ago#31 Coffeebeanz posted... At this point, a doctoral level degree is roughly on-par academically with a standard Bachelor's degree from 50 years ago. Out of many things said in this topic, this is the silliest. =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] reportquote

GiftedACIII 1 hour ago#32 Interesting </topic> reportquote

--kresnik-- 1 hour ago#33 Transcendentia posted... ThePrinceFish posted... 40% is ridiculous. These people should not be admitted to college. Instead they are just pushing them through regardless. It's because the left doesn't actually want people to learn math, English, and critical thinking. They just want to push them through indoctrination camps so that they have more SJW slacktivists roaming around. Trump 2020 reportquote

joeun_saram 1 hour ago#34 Transcendentia posted... ThePrinceFish posted... 40% is ridiculous. These people should not be admitted to college. Instead they are just pushing them through regardless. It's because the left doesn't actually want people to learn math, English, and critical thinking. They just want to push them through indoctrination camps so that they have more SJW slacktivists roaming around. >implying that the diminished state of american public education isn't due to conservative policies im a good person reportquote

Transcendentia (Topic Creator)1 hour ago#35 joeun_saram posted... Transcendentia posted... ThePrinceFish posted... 40% is ridiculous. These people should not be admitted to college. Instead they are just pushing them through regardless. It's because the left doesn't actually want people to learn math, English, and critical thinking. They just want to push them through indoctrination camps so that they have more SJW slacktivists roaming around. >implying that the diminished state of american public education isn't due to conservative policies we spend $16,000 per student per year on average in Chicago Public Schools and most of the kids graduate barely even knowing how to read or write Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj reportquote

LightDarkFrexed 1 hour ago#36 I could have used this 9 years ago when I wasted 3 semesters of elementary, intermediate, and college algebra for my BA degree. University is a damn joke reportquote

joeun_saram 58 minutes ago#37 Transcendentia posted... we spend $16,000 per student per year on average in Chicago Public Schools and most of the kids graduate barely even knowing how to read or write CPS has issues on its own outside of the educational realm The reality is CPS won't get better until outside economic, sociological factors get better Also, CPS is one of the biggest victims of conservative policies designed to punish school systems that perform worse. Already overcrowded and underfunded, nobody can actually help CPS unless they build more schools, train more teachers, and that won't be possible under the violence stops and the city unites again Source: I had to do an entire project documenting many of the source problems regarding chicago public school's issues and difficulty educating kids, particularly focusing on institutionalized gang violence and general apathy from higher classes in chicago im a good person reportquote

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