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Do you believe that the stigma of mental illness is part of the push to not label transgenderism as a mental illness? - Results (49 votes)
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What push? It isn't labeled a mental illness per DSM-5 (published over 4 years ago).
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absolutely. its an attempt to normalize something which should not be normalized.
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It's not a mental illness, so it shouldn't be treated like it is. Bigots like to call it a mental illness because it's easy to stigmatize.
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Russian Rocket posted...
What push? It isn't labeled a mental illness per DSM-5 (published over 4 years ago).
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Russian Rocket posted...
What push? It isn't labeled a mental illness per DSM-5 (published over 4 years ago). Correct, but that change is also controversial. It does fit the definition, and has other correlations to depression and the like. That is why I'm asking the question. Do you believe that the stigma played a part. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mental%20illness Edit: Opps forgot the other link. An article on the change. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3385287
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Don't forget about drapetomania, it's an actual mental illness but because of all the sensitive PC people we have to omit the truth!
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land_snail posted...
This isn't a politically correct thing to say but some can argue that it is a psychotic disorder -- the delusion being the belief that they are the opposite gender. Transgenderism is biological and goes as far as chromosome differences so no. |
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Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but it is a neurological disorder. It goes beyond the chemical imbalances which driven most mental illnesses.
Which is not something to be stigmatized, but treated in the best way possible. Unfortunately, the best treatment at the moment (transitioning and potentially SRS) is not really adequate nor all that successful. Of course, it is possible that some people who claim to have gender dysphoria (or are on the more Tumblr-side of the topic) do have a mental illness rather a neurological condition, but that is something for medical experts to sort out.
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pfalcon posted...
absolutely. its an attempt to normalize something which should not be normalized. This. PC people should instead of trying to normalize people, push the idea that weird isn't bad
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MetroidOmni911 posted...
land_snail posted...This isn't a politically correct thing to say but some can argue that it is a psychotic disorder -- the delusion being the belief that they are the opposite gender. Biological yes, genetic not so much. It is more tied to epigenetics, in particular differences in the womb environment.
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MetroidOmni911 posted...
land_snail posted...This isn't a politically correct thing to say but some can argue that it is a psychotic disorder -- the delusion being the belief that they are the opposite gender. You can be biologically predisposed toward certain mental illnesses. So that isn't necessarily an argument against it being one. But topic is not avout wgether it is or is not a mental illness. It is about whether or not you believe the stigma of mental illness is part of the push to not label it as such. It was defined that way until recently.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but it is a neurological disorder. It goes beyond the chemical imbalances which driven most mental illnesses. Very very interesting. Can you expand on that?
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>It's factually not a mental illness
>Yes, liberals once pushed against its classification as such because of the stigma around the term (in conjunction with, you know, scientists, and facts) >The right is now the only side pushing anything, with many labeling transgenderism a mental illness. This is, quite literally, to berate and bully transgendered people, using the stigma of the term "mental illness"
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Russian Rocket posted...
What push? It isn't labeled a mental illness per DSM-5 (published over 4 years ago). I think the DSM-4 called is "Gender Identity Disorder" DSM-5 calls it "Gender Dysphoria" There is something to be said about people who are born with this problem. It shows that there are some people out there who are not satisfied with their gender. Regardless of their sexual preferences. Those who are not happy with who they are imo get depressed and build anxiety more so than usual. And legislation speaks volumes to a social society at large here. The idea of changing who you are like character creation in a videogame and insisting that others identify you as such damages the social fabric of society because it drags down biological gender standards that permeate through our laws and culture. I believe people can look and say they are whatever want to cope with whatever. It's a free country. But that doesn't mean I have to go along with it, and pretend you are what you are because you say so. |
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Cyrus 23 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but it is a neurological disorder. It goes beyond the chemical imbalances which driven most mental illnesses. Humans, like most animals, are sexually dimorphic. This means that there are differences between males and females in the musculoskeletal structure, reproductive organs, and neurological structures. You can split these differences into two groups - body and brain. The body and brain sexually differentiate at different points in development, which means there is a possibility for one to differentiate in a different way than the other (based on epigenetics and the womb environment). That is, a person with a male body may have a more female-like brain and someone with a female body may have a more male-like brain. That is what causes gender dysphoria, or transgenderism.
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Cyrus 23 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but it is a neurological disorder. It goes beyond the chemical imbalances which driven most mental illnesses. No he can't because it is just so... Wrong. "Gender dysphoria" is a mental illness, particularly it is the depressive symptoms that may arise in a person who is transgender but usually one who has not yet taken steps to transition. In essence a person trapped in the wrong gender presentation. Transitioning is the best available cure for this. Being transgender is entirely independent of both transitioning and of gender dysphoria. Not all people people who are transgender experience dysphoria. Being transgender is not a mental illness in and of itself because our chief estimate for what is and isn't a mental illness is whether it hinders your function in society. Being transgender or transitioning do not do these things, but experiencing strong depressive symptoms from dysphoria may. Depressive symptoms after transitioning can be dysphoria if there was a very disappointing transitioning, but more likely they are a natural reaction to all the bullshit discrimination that transpeople face. Transgender people can also have an endogenous depression separate of their transgender condition, just like everyone else. Tldr being transgendered is not a mental illness, having depression-like symptoms because you are trapped in the wrong body is a mental illness like having depression because have a terminal illness is.
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Topic OP seems confused, Transgenderism has has no status in the mental health arena. Maybe you are thinking of Gender Dysphoria?
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the final bahamut posted...
Cyrus 23 posted...infinitys_7th posted...Gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, but it is a neurological disorder. It goes beyond the chemical imbalances which driven most mental illnesses. If someone claims to be transgendered but does not feel uncomfortable in their birth body, are they really transgendered? Actual transgenderism seems to tie into the sense the body has of its anatomy and structure. TBH, I dismiss the Tumblr stuff out of had because there is little evidence to support it. If someone claims to be born "gender queer", why would I necessarily take that more seriously than someone claiming to be an otherkin? That seems more cultural than physiological.
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Sylph posted...
Topic OP seems confused, Transgenderism has has no status in the mental health arena. Maybe you are thinking of Gender Dysphoria? It did at one point, and GID only changed into GD a few years ago. But if the next change reverted it back (and gave an empirical reason why); I feel as though it would be still be fought back against. And the only reason why I can think of is the stigma. But I'm not confused, just curious.
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infinitys_7th posted...
"uncomfortable" =/= "depressive". Again our rule of thumb for "is this a mental disease" is whether it hinders your daily function. If you are simply uncomfortable in the gender you were assigned at birth but otherwise gets on pretty well or if you have an awesome family that helps you feel accepted and comfortable and lets you live as your correct gender you're still trans but you hopefully won't experience dysphoria.
Because why the fuck wouldn't you? I'm sorry but why the fuck would you get to judge their lives experience? How are you being any different than people who "don't believe" in being bi. As for otherkin, if someone wants whiskers or scale implants, that's their deal and I don't see how it is any skin off my nose.
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Cyrus 23 posted...
Sylph posted...Topic OP seems confused, Transgenderism has has no status in the mental health arena. Maybe you are thinking of Gender Dysphoria? Okay, than perhaps I'd like a clarification here then. Are you positing specifically for Transgenderism as a blanket term to be considered for mental illness, or are you content with breaking it down to the components of Gender Identity Disorder, and Gender Dysphoria and whatnot? Blanket terms are really dangerous regardless though, there are a myriad of different scenarios and situations which lead to this road.
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Sylph posted...
Cyrus 23 posted...Sylph posted...Topic OP seems confused, Transgenderism has has no status in the mental health arena. Maybe you are thinking of Gender Dysphoria? TBH, I do not know much about it other than looking over the terms and the changes. I know mental illness carries a huge stigma, so I put two and two together. I just wanted opinions on the subject, but feel free to expand on everything. I'm always up for a discussion. Also, I do not have a dog in the fight other than that I'm against the stigma. If GID or GD are a real illness, then I'd want everything to be as open and honest as possible without making people into pariahs.
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Being a boy and pretending to be a girl (or vice versa) is a mental illness.
Being a boy and wanting to be a girl (or vice versa) is demand.
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the final bahamut posted...
infinitys_7th posted... I mean, I don't particularly care myself. I just think it is silly and piggybacks on an actual medical condition with actual consequences. Hell, most of that crowd self-diagnoses themselves. Why would I not laugh at someone who is adamant they have Jesus and the Fourth Doctor as headmates?
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Cyrus 23 posted...
Sylph posted...Topic OP seems confused, Transgenderism has has no status in the mental health arena. Maybe you are thinking of Gender Dysphoria? Uhhhh, dude, no one in the medical community, especially people who work with transgender stuff advocates that it should be changed back. You might as well ask, if the next dsm classified heterosexuality as a mental disorder and gave empirical reasons why, you think people would oppose it and the only reason why would be because of stigma against mental disorders. It was changed from Gid to gd because there were really solid medical reasons to do so. Particularly that Gid simply doesn't jive with how we define mental disorders.
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the final bahamut posted...
It was changed from Gid to gd because there were really solid medical reasons to do so. I was not trying to imply anything. Sorry if it came off that way. Mentally illness is often used as an insult. And frequently in political discourse. Edit: We even have a topic about "the voices in Trump's head." Right now.
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Cyrus 23 posted...
the final bahamut posted...It was changed from Gid to gd because there were really solid medical reasons to do so. To be fair, everything is used as an insult in political discourse.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Apart from, say, taking hormones or having top surgery which may very much be something that might help a gender queen? Also why is life consequences less relevant than medical consequences for you?
Well you don't really need a doctor to figure out if you're trans. Sure, some few schizophrenics tend to latch on to other medical diagnosises like this or pedophilia, but those are clear outliers. And if someone hears voices that present as Jesus and the Fourth Doctor then that's really only something they can tell you? I mean unless they think it's the real Jesus and the real Fourth Doctor, in which case they're psychotic and we're talking about something else entirely.
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I have no problem with transgender people and I don't consider them mentally ill. They were just born in the wrong body. I have a feeling that there have always been transgender people. If you think how people use to dress, it use to be a lot easier for transgender people.
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Cyrus 23 posted...
the final bahamut posted...It was changed from Gid to gd because there were really solid medical reasons to do so. From idiots yes. Lots of people have depression. Lots of people don't want to face that because of stigma. That hasn't stopped anyone from keeping depression in the dsm.
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If you want to be technical, it's not an illness ...it's a birth defect that operates normally.
http://blog.donders.ru.nl/?p=6624&lang=en http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/
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the final bahamut posted...
From idiots yes. Lots of people have depression. Lots of people don't want to face that because of stigma. That hasn't stopped anyone from keeping depression in the dsm. Depression hasn't been a political topic either though. So I think it still weighs in, even if only just a tiny bit. But I wasn't trying to argue, I just wanted to see if anyone else thought they were connected and start a discussion. :) It's been pretty good so far. I just wish we had more links on the topic.
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thegreatsquare posted...
If you want to be technical, it's not an illness ...it's a birth defect that operates normally. Biology has nothing to do with psyche.
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Cyrus 23 posted...
the final bahamut posted...From idiots yes. Lots of people have depression. Lots of people don't want to face that because of stigma. That hasn't stopped anyone from keeping depression in the dsm. The dropping of the GID diagnosis in favor of gd happened before trans rights were a political thing for the mainstream. They were still hating on gay rights at the time.
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This is Madfoot levels of dumb TC.
Also nice to see the poll is not IP locked.
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EliteGuard99 posted...
This is Madfoot levels of dumb TC. Why do you say that? And it is actually IP locked, I put all my polls on that setting.
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