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You mean they didn't win? Why do white people of present day get such hatred over slavery then?
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I'm okay with this. Special snowflake right-wingers wouldn't be able to handle the portrayal of how s***ty it would be and they'd demand that it be censored to instead look like a utopia because they're anti-free speech like that.
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I love alternate history stuff so I'm fine with this. I'm also not American
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Delta_F14 posted...
There's several shows/movies that show the Nazis winning WW2, so this isn't that "offensive". seriously, man in the high castle casually mentions that the jews in america were also mass-murdered and it showcases the continued efforts to remove them anyone who gets pissy about alternate history TV shows that clearly identify the historical villains as villains in the show is ridiculous
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LightningAce11 posted...
If it turns out to be like Django Unchained, then I'm fine. Django happened before the Civil War though. As for Confederate, I hate the premise because shows of this nature rarely exist to tell a story. No, this is going to be thinly conveyed allegory for current events, and they're gonna be hoping that people tune in every week with that in mind.
You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet. Might wanna get on that, yeah?
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thompsontalker7 posted...
LightningAce11 posted...If it turns out to be like Django Unchained, then I'm fine. point is django portrayed slavery in a non-offensive way because those in favor of slavery generally got exploded. and i think man in the high castle is a demonstration to the contrary of your second point although i'm still not sure WHAT story it's trying to tell, but it's definitely not about current events.
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Don't like it? Don't watch it. Not a hard concept.
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ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively. Slavery wouldn't be a thing still though. Even back then slavery wasn't going to be feasible for much longer. The idea of a hypothetical confederacy still having slavery in 2017 is ludicrous. |
MakoReizei posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively. LOL are you really implying that if the south had won slavery would be abolished regardless?
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voldothegr8 posted...
he is. do you have any knowledge of the economics underlying his reasoning?
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the last western country to abolish slavery was Brazil in 1888.
Would slavery really have lasted longer than that in the Confederacy assuming they won? also, the rapid advancements in technology were making slavery obsolete. |
MakoReizei posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively. Yeah, free labor would become infeasible! By the way, even though it's technically illegal slavery exists in a number of countries. |
Sure, what the hell.
History is definitely written by the winners, though. It's another scenario where I can't imagine the US losing (though it seems more plausible than The Man in the High Castle, since I really don't think people would have been okay with the Axis Powers winning WW2). Would the US just have surrendered and said "sure, you can be your own nation, WDGAF"?
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MakoReizei posted...ImaAskAQuestion posted...Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively. yeah, in countries like Mauritania. |
Darkman124 posted...
voldothegr8 posted... The economics of dirt cheap labor?
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lol
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There's some interesting things you could do.
Like the North surrendering during the Civil War but then later on secretly funneling money and weapons to slaves in the South in order to spark a rebellion down the line. Then the North assists with an invasion of the South once the rebellion begins and takes it back.
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voldothegr8 posted...
so, no. that labor is not "dirt cheap" due to the security required to maintain, feed, and house it; the price of labor always must factor in opportunity costs against what is being given up (mechanized, skilled labor); abolition of slavery in europe impacted the supply of slaves shipped to western nations; etc
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Darkman124 posted...voldothegr8 posted... That's a no.
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Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure?
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If Amazon can do The Man In The High Castle, HBO can do this. I don't recall outrage for man in the high Castle
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Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure? We need to be constantly reminded that black people are victims
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hollow_shrine posted...Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure? mainly because quite a few people pretend like nothing's wrong |
I feel like that could be a cool alternate history show
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ZombiePelican posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
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I honestly don't care what people make shows/movies about.
None of them are going to offend me, and if I'm not interested in the product then I just won't f***ing watch it. I don't complain, or get offended, every time Tarantino comes out with a new movie....I just simply don't watch it. People really need to get over themselves.
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ZombiePelican posted...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America Did you even click the link? |
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Muffinz0rz posted...ZombiePelican posted...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America Oh I did not I assumed it was about the Confederacy lolol
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Slavery in 2017 sounds far-fetched.
But the idea of a split United/Confederate States in 2017 sounds interesting. And how the two national cultures would have diverged. Maybe the Confederacy actually maintains a super hard "states rights" stance while thr US becomes more and more centralized around the federal government. That dichotomy would be cool. And mayb throw in some re-unification politics or something.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise This. It's soooooo dumb. First of all, as someone who lives in North Carolina, I can't wait for my home to be depicted as nothing more than racist Nazis. So looking forward to that. Second, the history makes no damn sense. The South was always going to lose and Slavery was on its way out even back then. That's absolutely no way that slavery would continue to present day. That's f***ing ridiculous. Did the rest of the world just die? The whole premise is so stupid. |
creativerealms posted...
Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.
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ZombiePelican posted...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America
Where was all the outrage when this came out?
This was f***ing hilarious.
And yeah, I'm down for the show.http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.I misread the poll and accidentally put no.I think a lot of the outrage is that this is going to be a very high profile show. It's like the spiritual sequel to Game of Thrones. Not in terms of story, but it's riding that show's coat tails because it's coming from the GoT creative team. So you can expect HBO to dump a ton of money into it. It's not like some Amazon Prime series that no one is watching. This train wreck of a show probably wiped 3 potentially good HBO shows off the budget.
And like I said in the other thread, people are tired of seeing a divided America. We spend all day with CNN vs Fox News and Republicans vs Democrats. Nobody wants to unwind with a dumb downed version of that on HBO. People tune into HBO to escape that s***.BeyondWalls posted...people are tired of seeing a divided America.
A show about alternate history is now "seeing a divided America"
Can you reach any harder?Slavery wouldn't still be happening. This show is going to be totally race baiting and nothing beyond that.
But s*** the economy would be exploding like crazy only thing is literally every other UN country would wreck the US s*** for being an advanced country wth slavesI-I really needed this~~
Time to stomp some faces!!!LittleRoyal posted...Slavery wouldn't still be happening. This show is going to be totally race baiting and nothing beyond that.
But s*** the economy would be exploding like crazy only thing is literally every other UN country would wreck the US s*** for being an advanced country wth slaves
Like I said, did the rest of the world just drop off the map? Are we pretending that every other country in the world wouldn't have a trade embargo on the South? Was there an alien insect that destroyed all the cotton crops except in the Southern US? Why the f*** would anyone trade with the South for anything? The whole region would be embargoed to the point where the South was the poorest region on Earth. It wouldn't make financial sense to use slaves. Besides, what are these slaves doing, driving harvesters? Are we pretending that automation didn't happen too? This whole premise is so dumb.How often does he misread a poll?Still stupid. What would you have modern slaves do? "Johnson, go fetch me my fax!"Skywalker82 posted...Still stupid. What would you have modern slaves do? "Johnson, go fetch me my fax!"
Because there's no job slaves would be doing today other than fetch faxes..."Sometimes, all the stupidity in the world is boiled down to one single product that you can buy at Home Depot."Skywalker82 posted...Still stupid. What would you have modern slaves do? "Johnson, go fetch me my fax!"
Gardening, shopping, cleaning, errands, etc.
Seriously guys, watch CSA, it was hilarious. The U.S. works hard to conquer the entire western hemisphere (including Mexico and the Caribbean), they side with Nazis in WWII, Soviets control Europe and places an embargo on the U.S., etc.http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.NibeIungsnarf posted...Why are leftwingers upset about this? Seems like rightwingers should be upset about the idea that if nobody had forced them to stop they would still keep black people as slaves in the current year.
Most people are not upset. Most can accept fiction as fiction.when you stub your toes it's the SJWs fualt.creativerealms posted...NibeIungsnarf posted...
Why are leftwingers upset about this? Seems like rightwingers should be upset about the idea that if nobody had forced them to stop they would still keep black people as slaves in the current year.
Most people are not upset. Most can accept fiction as fiction.
This whole premise is dumb as multiple people mentioned.
The un would not allow a civilized country to have slaves. Even if America didn't come to their sense alone which they would have.
Plus let's face it the show is going to have black people being treated like trash and killed and half the whites people will have slaves
9% of white people owned slaves. And most of them didn't beat or hurt the slaves.
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Time to stomp some faces!!!LittleRoyal posted...The un would not allow a civilized country to have slaves. Even if America didn't come to their sense alone which they would have.
You presume the UN still exists in a world where the south won the civil war. You also presume the US would be considered a civilized country. You also forget that real countries today still have slavery and the UN doesn't do s*** about them."History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltzs0nicfan posted...LittleRoyal posted...
The un would not allow a civilized country to have slaves. Even if America didn't come to their sense alone which they would have.
You presume the UN still exists in a world where the south won the civil war. You also presume the US would be considered a civilized country. You also forget that real countries today still have slavery and the UN doesn't do s*** about them.
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Time to stomp some faces!!!LittleRoyal posted...UNwould exist. US would be even more powerful but less moral
This. This is why they get upset. They don't know, or willingly don't understand, what fiction is. This is a 'what if' scenario of the creator's choosing....
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crazygamer21ZCheveyo posted...LittleRoyal posted...
UNwould exist. US would be even more powerful but less moral
This. This is why they get upset. They don't know, or willingly don't understand, what fiction is. This is a 'what if' scenario of the creator's choosing....
You don't get to dictate how the world would be in this made up scenario.
TC said they only made one change.
So I'm following that change. If they want to change even more it's fine though dumb
And like I said only 9% of white people owned slaves. And people were getting less and less okay with it in the south too.
54% of freed black people owned slaves.
People rarely beat or injured slaves.
None of those will be accurately portrayed just watch. It will be some very race baiting nonsense.
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Time to stomp some faces!!!_Near_ posted...Skywalker82 posted...
Still stupid. What would you have modern slaves do? "Johnson, go fetch me my fax!"
Gardening, shopping, cleaning, errands, etc.
"Johnson, grab me my dry cleaning and make sure you tip the lady this time!"
No body is going to finance a slave for $12,000 with no money down to tend rose bushes. Whats going to happen to all the Mexicans that do this stuff already in real life?
Actually this concept is pretty crazy. Would they have tv commercials like used car salesmen?
"Come on down to Wacky Will's Slave Lot. We got slaves at low low prices. We're practically giving them away. I'm making no money on these slaves, I'm almost a slave my self. We got the best slaves in Cooks County. Our slave will have you eating right with Vegan meals. Want more followers on INSTAGRAM, but don't want to hit the gym? No problem we have slaves in our inventory that will photoshop those pounds right off."Skywalker82 posted..."Come on down to Wacky Will's Slave Lot. We got slaves at low low prices. We're practically giving them away. I'm making no money on these slaves, I'm almost a slave my self. We got the best slaves in Cooks County. Our slave will have you eating right with Vegan meals. Want more followers on INSTAGRAM, but don't want to hit the gym? No problem we have slaves in our inventory that will photoshop those pounds right off."
LmfaoWhat do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil.KiwiTerraRizing posted...I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.
The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
If it got bad? You seem educated, was Antietam, Gettysburg, not bad enough for them to unloose the other arm?
I like Shelby, but I strongly disagree here. The Union was in serious peril at times; the extreme casualties led to public support for the war dwindling and many northerners wanting a truce (recognition of the CSA). They finally found a competent commander in Grant, and Sherman's ruthlessness, which finally won the war. The North sufferred from poor leadership throughout the war.The red flag is false hopegmanthebest posted...Skywalker82 posted...
"Come on down to Wacky Will's Slave Lot. We got slaves at low low prices. We're practically giving them away. I'm making no money on these slaves, I'm almost a slave my self. We got the best slaves in Cooks County. Our slave will have you eating right with Vegan meals. Want more followers on INSTAGRAM, but don't want to hit the gym? No problem we have slaves in our inventory that will photoshop those pounds right off."
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My sidesKiwiTerraRizing posted...I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.
The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
They will change how the war went to make it so that the south could have won. That is what alternate history is about. There is always a point in the timeline where something changes to allow the different historySo, people that have a problem with this show, do you have a problem with this one too?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5980d6e2e4b02b36343e872d?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009The red flag is false hopeOrtegaTron posted...So, people that have a problem with this show, do you have a problem with this one too?
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Lol freed slaves rapidly become the leaders of industry.
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Time to stomp some faces!!!LittleRoyal posted...Xelltrix posted...
I don't see a problem. It would be like a what-if thing like Nazi modern day or something like that.
That they'll portray it wrong. What happened was no good but don't lie about it.
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Nausea / Butt-Hurt / Lulz / UM? Syndrome / Angst / DiarrheaYea don't see an issue with this. It could be interesting if it shows both sides and how they would have changed or adapted post-secession. All the people saying "the left is gonna riot over this!"...need to be careful though. I can't see type of show portraying the south in the best of light.Xelltrix posted...LittleRoyal posted...
Xelltrix posted...
I don't see a problem. It would be like a what-if thing like Nazi modern day or something like that.
That they'll portray it wrong. What happened was no good but don't lie about it.
Huh?
Slavery. It was not a good thing, but it wasn't literally beatings slaves, hanging them, every white person being racist.
I've said it already.
9% of whites owned slaves and most people didn't like it.
54% of freed blacks owned slaves
It was all about business. They made money from it so they liked it. They didn't hurt slaves because it was expensive. Economy was good, we weren't relying on others as much, because we got free labor. Very evil but very good for the government. We finally ended it and that's good.
If we never ended it we wouldn't get foreign trade, as much influence in UN and freed blacks would still own slaves AND those 9% of whites owning slaves wouldn't be popular people would hate it as public opinion was changing so much.
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Time to stomp some faces!!!TheVipaGTS posted...Yea don't see an issue with this. It could be interesting if it shows both sides and how they would have changed or adapted post-secession. All the people saying "the left is gonna riot over this!"...need to be careful though. I can't see type of show portraying the south in the best of light.
Yeah the rightwing south will go crazy if it gets made especially since the people that want it are the ones behind Game of Thrones. The show will be filled with torture and rapeWho cares its a TV show but people like this dude vvv
voldothegr8 posted...I can already hear regressives lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks.
How unself aware of you to not realize that the only regressives are your sort. You'd whip out your dick at the thought of the south winning lmao.the real Irving Rameses
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I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.
The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
If it got bad? You seem educated, was Antietam, Gettysburg, not bad enough for them to unloose the other arm?
I like Shelby, but I strongly disagree here. The Union was in serious peril at times; the extreme casualties led to public support for the war dwindling and many northerners wanting a truce (recognition of the CSA). They finally found a competent commander in Grant, and Sherman's ruthlessness, which finally won the war. The North sufferred from poor leadership throughout the war.
They won Gettysburg, it ended the war for all practical purposesJake Peralta: World's Grossest PervertLittleRoyal posted...I've said it already.
9% of whites owned slaves and most people didn't like it.
54% of freed blacks owned slaves
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.
The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
If it got bad? You seem educated, was Antietam, Gettysburg, not bad enough for them to unloose the other arm?
I like Shelby, but I strongly disagree here. The Union was in serious peril at times; the extreme casualties led to public support for the war dwindling and many northerners wanting a truce (recognition of the CSA). They finally found a competent commander in Grant, and Sherman's ruthlessness, which finally won the war. The North sufferred from poor leadership throughout the war.
They won Gettysburg, it ended the war for all practical purposes
Agreed,that was the turning point. So they decided to just let it go on for almost another year when they could've easily let out that other arm and ended it instantly. Hmm.The red flag is false hopeOrtegaTron posted...KiwiTerraRizing posted...
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.
The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
If it got bad? You seem educated, was Antietam, Gettysburg, not bad enough for them to unloose the other arm?
I like Shelby, but I strongly disagree here. The Union was in serious peril at times; the extreme casualties led to public support for the war dwindling and many northerners wanting a truce (recognition of the CSA). They finally found a competent commander in Grant, and Sherman's ruthlessness, which finally won the war. The North sufferred from poor leadership throughout the war.
They won Gettysburg, it ended the war for all practical purposes
Agreed,that was the turning point. So they decided to just let it go on for almost another year when they could've easily let out that other arm and ended it instantly. Hmm.
The south fought until they couldn't. Ill give them that.Jake Peralta: World's Grossest Pervertcreativerealms posted...Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.
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Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.
I am outta the loop, what shows are these?
The Man in the High Castle and The Handmaiden's Tale. Both are supposed to be pretty goodEh, handmaiden's tale is pretty weak in my opinion.
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Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.
I am outta the loop, what shows are these?
The Man in the High Castle and The Handmaiden's Tale. Both are supposed to be pretty good
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If Amazon can do The Man In The High Castle, HBO can do this.
Alternative history shows can be good/interesting. There will be outrage regardless.
I don't recall outrage for man in the high Castle
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