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 Jordan Peterson is one of the most heavily-cited psychologists in Canada, and despite ruffling the feathers of leftists a few years ago, no one has been able to smear his credentials or expertise in the field https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2/citations
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And if an expert were to claim otherwise?
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Doesn't matter. People on the internet were outraged, and that is enough.
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LordRazziel posted...
And if an expert were to claim otherwise? All the experts I've seen "debunking" the memo don't actually contend with what James says. They argue against the idea that women can't be good engineers, which is not what is said in the memo.
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Pretty sure this has upset Mal more than the Trump Administration trying to get rid of Net Neutrality did, which is kinda weird
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Samurontai posted...
Nobody cares Mal He's gonna live vicariously through this dude till the day he dies.
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Mal_Fet posted...
LordRazziel posted...And if an expert were to claim otherwise? Haven't read any of them I will have to take your word for it.
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what is he correct about?
can you list his assertions? I actually don't know and I am lazy
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darkphoenix181 posted...
what is he correct about? His claim is that Google management falsely believes the reason for the gender disparity in the workplace is due to "unconscious bias" by hiring staff, which is a theory that isn't supported by any substantive research. He claims the disparity is actually due to the well-documented differences in male and female psychology, which makes men naturally inclined to seek engineering jobs, and he cites several journals on the subject. Further, he claims that Google is an echochamber for leftist politics. Of course, claiming that men and women are different as an aggregate is a cardinal sin to leftists, so they fired him, proving him correct.
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Meh. He was a distraction. Totally fair to fire him
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResearchGate#Criticisms
Of course Mal_Fet would link to there
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iPhone_7 posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResearchGate#Criticisms I'm not sure what you're suggesting here...the website has some issues, therefore Perterson is wrong?
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It literally says it has fake research articles posing as real articles on it. Learn to read.
If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.
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I also find it funny that Mal_Fet will usually ignore the findings of the majority of the scientific community (those darn liberals!) and university professors (more darn liberals!) but makes room in his heart for the one that will help reinforce his AltRight worldview.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Critique_of_political_correctness
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your title indicates a plurality but your OP only lists one example. one example does not constitute a plurality.
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Kineth posted...
It literally says it has fake research articles posing as real articles on it. Ok so which of Peterson's research articles are fake They're all listed in the link I gave, so put up or shut up
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iPhone_7 posted...
I also find it funny that Mal_Fet will usually ignore the findings of the majority of the scientific community and university professors but makes room in his heart for the one that will help reinforce his AltRight worldview. What is it with you guys linking to wikipedia articles that don't refute anything I've posted? Can you refute his statements on this subject or can't you?
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Mal_Fet posted...
Kineth posted...It literally says it has fake research articles posing as real articles on it. Why are you so willing to trust this clear s***rag of a "research journal" compared to other more reputable sources?
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Cause it confirms his preconceptions.
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Kineth posted...
Why are you so willing to trust this clear s***rag of a "research journal" compared to other more reputable sources? Tbf, you clearly don't understand what researchgate is.
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Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Kineth posted...It literally says it has fake research articles posing as real articles on it. Researchgate isn't a journal...and the existence of some fake articles on it has no bearing on Peterson's credentials. I know you're just scrounging for any reason to dismiss this guy's expertise, but this is weak even for you.
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Expected to see some vocal psychologist that is currently in the media spotlight for being that "unconventional scientist with the truth". Wasn't disappointed.
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Mal_Fet posted...
His claim is that Google management falsely believes the reason for the gender disparity in the workplace is due to "unconscious bias" by hiring staff, which is a theory that isn't supported by any substantive research. interestingly, the claims he makes are not as strong as mal_fet's summary of them
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Balrog0 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...His claim is that Google management falsely believes the reason for the gender disparity in the workplace is due to "unconscious bias" by hiring staff, which is a theory that isn't supported by any substantive research. Sounds like you don't actually know what the memo says.
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Oh my, I used the wrong terms to describe a s***ty social networking website that has articles on it.
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Kineth posted...
Oh my, I used the wrong terms to describe a s***ty social networking website that has articles on it. And you also tried to discredit Peterson based on the site having some fake articles on it. Don't forget about that!
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You have offered nothing that makes him credible so how would I discredit him? Meanwhile you do that s*** all the time when sources are presented to you. Anyway, Hoth, you really shouldn't waste your last opportunities so obviously.
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Kineth posted...
Oh my, I used the wrong terms to describe a s***ty social networking website that has articles on it. You were using Mal's post with that link as a way to pretend like the source was biased or s***ty. You need to take a step back and really evaluate how rational you are actually approaching this.
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Kineth posted...
You have offered nothing that makes him credible I have given you his published works. Go ahead, discredit them.
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COVxy posted...
Kineth posted...Oh my, I used the wrong terms to describe a s***ty social networking website that has articles on it. No, I don't. I'm not interested in validating Mal's thoughts.
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Kineth posted...
No, I don't. I'm not interested in validating Mal's thoughts. All you are doing is allowing people to diminish the validity of the criticism because you are presenting them with a s***ty strawman to continue to knock down.
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Mal_Fet posted...
Sounds like you don't actually know what the memo says. At Google, we’re regularly told that implicit (unconscious) and explicit biases are holding women back in tech and leadership. Of course, men and women experience bias, tech, and the workplace differently and we should be cognizant of this, but it’s far from the whole story. is not the same as Google management falsely believes the reason for the gender disparity in the workplace is due to "unconscious bias" by hiring staff, which is a theory that isn't supported by any substantive research. he also does not cite anything that shows that men are inherently more likely to be good at engineering -- he actually suggests ways that we can make the software engineering profession more friendly for women -- though he makes the argument that men are more biologically inclined to take on leadership roles
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Kineth posted...
No, I don't. I'm not interested in validating Mal's thoughts. I didn't give my thoughts on the subject. I gave you a respected psychologist's thoughts. Balrog0 posted... At Google, we’re regularly told that implicit (unconscious) and explicit biases are holding women It looks pretty similar to me, and would be more similar if you read more than just that. Balrog0 posted... he also does not cite anything that shows that men are inherently more likely to be good at engineering Yes he does. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/wol1/doi/10.1111/j.1751-9004.2010.00320.x/abstract
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Mal must really idolize this guy.
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Mal_Fet posted...
It looks pretty similar to me, and would be more similar if you read more than just that. that's kind of sad that you think that Mal_Fet posted... Yes he does. that doesn't show what you're saying it shows, which is why I pointed out that he explains how we can make engineering jobs more friendly for women ... which he says is by creating teams that are more people-oriented. He doesn't say that being object oriented makes you better at engineering, he's saying that current business practices value that skill more highly (thus writing google about how to fix the issue). most of what he talks about isn't the abilities women have but their preferences relative to men idk it's weird to me because both sides are clearly reading what they want to into this
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Balrog0 posted...
that's kind of sad that you think that I dunno what your contention here is. Does he NOT say that implicit bias is not a sufficient explanation for the employment disparity, and that the true reason lies in the differences in psychology between men and women? Balrog0 posted... that doesn't show what you're saying it shows, which is why I pointed out that he explains how we can make engineering jobs more friendly for women ... which he says is by creating teams that are more people-oriented. He doesn't say that being object oriented makes you better at engineering, Correct. He says that the nature of the engineering profession makes it more enticing to male sensibilities. He never says that women can't be good at engineering.
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Mal_Fet posted...
I dunno what your contention here is. Does he NOT say that implicit bias is not a sufficient explanation for the employment disparity, and that the true reason lies in the differences in psychology between men and women? he does say something like that, but that is different than your summary which says that one of those mechanisms simply doesn't exist, whereas he does not say that -- I also don't see where he says the "true" reason, which implies the other mechanism (bias) doesn't exist or matter Mal_Fet posted... He says that the nature of the engineering profession makes it more enticing to male sensibilities. Where? Mostly he says the reason women are underrepresented in tech/engineering is because they're seen as prestigious, and women generally seek a better work-life balance than men (and are worse at negotiating anyway) from what I can tell
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ah Mal
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Balrog0 posted...
he does say something like that, but that is different than your summary which says that one of those mechanisms simply doesn't exist, whereas he does not say that I didn't say bias doesn't exist. I said that Google is incorrect in asserting that's the reason for their gender disparity, which is also what James said. Balrog0 posted... Where? I just linked you the source he uses to back up that claim.
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Someone summarize the memo please...I (Butters) want to actually be able to follow this Mal_Fet topic.
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Mal_Fet posted...
I just linked you the source he uses to back up that claim. Argue the point yourself.
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Mal_Fet posted...
This really makes him stand out |
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Weren't we supposed to not listen to psychologists after the whole Trump thing?
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Kineth posted...
Mal_Fet posted...I just linked you the source he uses to back up that claim. Why should I jump through hoops for you when I've linked you the entire document before, and they summarize it early on in the video in the OP?
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Mal_Fet posted...
Why should I jump through hoops for you because you're the one saying things and wanting people to believe them
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Mal_Feasant might actually be right on this one, guys.
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Mike_Stanton posted...
Mal_Feasant might actually be right on this one, guys. I'm sure there is a degree of validity to it, but I wouldn't say that is enough to say Mal_Fart is right per se.
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