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Malcom X got huge amount of respect in how he carries himself through his thought process. The way he flows through conversation makes me think of Jordan Peterson who has an IQ of 140~.
"Malcolm X and Ali Warning About Liberals and Multiculturalism"  "The liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than the conservative" is in this video, Malcom X talks until 2:08, the rest is Ali. "Malcolm X Goes BEAST MODE On White Liberal!"  Malcom X and Muhammad Ali sound racist but ultimately want what is in the best interest of their own people or themselves. In the first video Ali talks about wanting his son/daughter to look just like him and not ever be questioned as to if he is the father or not. Sounds like a bit of ego but the amount of pride is very apparent. Malcom X and Martin Luther King got assasinated within 3 years of each other, but we only have a holiday for MLK but not Malcom X. Why is MLK more important Malcom X in black political history? It seems that MLK was more on the side of liberals and Malcom X was more on the side of conservatism. |
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MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
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MLK has a holiday because he represents the peaceful marches of the civil rights movement.
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I love how conservatives are basically agreeing with Malcolm X's message that:
'Conservatives are at least honest about their evilness.'
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Uh because MLK advocated for peaceful protest which is a cornerstone of our democracy and explicitly protected by the constitution.
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Ok, all I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X until now is constant hatred.
You don't suddenly get to use him now to support your argument while s***ting on him and everything else he did literally every other time. Disingenuous f***s.
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The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives. I notice how he totally didn't want the full context.
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oh NOW conservatives love Malcolm X? I thought he wanted to kill all white people according to you guys
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Seem to remember a part in Malcolm X's autobiography where he shamed a white woman for trying to help him, but then later regretting shaming her. One of the best books I've ever read.
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Genericgamer667 posted...
oh NOW conservatives love Malcolm X? No. But they love quoting anyone they can out of context if they can use it as a dig at liberals.
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Sephiroth4747 posted...
Seem to remember a part in Malcolm X's autobiography where he shamed a white woman for trying to help him, but then later regretting shaming her. One of the best books I've ever read. Malcolm X is the definition of chip on his shoulder. But in fairness the U.S. government is the one who supplied the boulder that made the chip. |
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Why is MLK more important Malcom X in black political history? Because X said stupid s*** like this.
Who is the man in the mask!?
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Malcolm was right. Proof: History of the United States 1965-2017.
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Kradek posted...
Ok, all I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X until now is constant hatred. Pretty much. |
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Ok, all I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X until now is constant hatred. I would've liked to have peaceful argument but seems you want to be aggressive. I am not right-wing, I support the old school America where people weren't having civil war like they are now between the right and left. I believe in abortions because with technology nowadays, being pro-life is an old way of thinking and the way we meet people to marry in the 21st century is much different than at any point in history. You could dare say I am progressive since the early 2000s with anonymous movements which I only saw videos and articles online about them. I was part of the "Occupy" movement and slept at a park as part of the protest against the establishment. Jimayo posted... Genericgamer667 posted...oh NOW conservatives love Malcolm X? You can't even explain the context of it. He didn't say anything bad about conservatives. Falsely trying to prove your opinion by being a liar doesn't get you anywhere in a real debate. Sephiroth4747 posted... Seem to remember a part in Malcolm X's autobiography where he shamed a white woman for trying to help him, but then later regretting shaming her. One of the best books I've ever read. That would be any man's attitude, doesn't matter what race it could be. Men tend to not want help from others because "they can figure it out on their own". That causes some downfall though as men are more likely to be anti-social, homeless, and/or commit suicide
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I support the old school America where people weren't having civil war like they are now between the right and left. Oh, old school America? Like in the 90s during the LA and Bensonhurst Riots? Or the 60s and 70s during the Civil Rights riots? Or the 1910s to 1930s when there were union riots, and anarchist riots, and KKK riots, and lynchings? Or the 1860s, when we LITERALLY had a Civil War, which killed more Americans than any other war? Or the 1840s and 50s, when riots occurred every day between Irish, Pollacks, Chinese, etc., gangs? Or the 1810s to 1830s, when we had major slave rebellion, whiskey rebellion, Shay's Rebellion?
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
I would've liked to have peaceful argument but seems you want to be aggressive. I am not right-wing, Stopped right there. Just examining your posts within the last week indicates you are a heavily indoctrinated right-winger who believes stupid s*** like "leftists are trying to kill Christianity" or "Leftists are anti-Christian". There's plenty of Christians on the left, the difference between them and the right is they're not constantly shoving the Christian god down our throats in everything they do so it's easier for non-Christians to side with them. I didn't need to read the rest of that lie you call a paragraph.
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Derp. The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives. I already posted the full quote. Fail harder s***ty troll.
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Jordan Peterson who has an IQ of 140~. Sure he does. Just ask him and he'll tell you. LMAO
A bad enough dude to save the President.
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MLK wouldn't have seen any real success if his Civil Rights Movement weren't being compared to the likes of Malcom X. Both of them were necessary.
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Chronofan8 posted...
MLK wouldn't have seen any real success if his Civil Rights Movement weren't being compared to the likes of Malcom X. Both of them were necessary. Agreed. What's that got to do with this topic though?
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Jimayo posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...(Intelligent paragraph explaining things using my own words)The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives. You can't even EXPLAIN what the quote is. You're the one who fails and doesn't even know how to debate or argue with anyone who doesn't believe in the same s*** you do. Jimayo posted... Chronofan8 posted...MLK wouldn't have seen any real success if his Civil Rights Movement weren't being compared to the likes of Malcom X. Both of them were necessary. That's what the topic is about, MALCOM X, but you keep playing the victim card and crying about everything that "offends" you. It is only fair that different ideologies have their say in politics, if one group of people ruled everything that would be monarchy. I'll quote the definition so you can understand. A monarchy is a form of government in which a group, generally a family representing a dynasty, embodies the country's national identity and its head, the monarch, exercises the role of sovereignty.
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Malcom X and Muhammad Ali sound racist but ultimately want what is in the best interest of their own people or themselves. In the first video Ali talks about wanting his son/daughter to look just like him and not ever be questioned as to if he is the father or not. Sounds like a bit of ego but the amount of pride is very apparent. You don't understand what they were actually saying, Malcolm X died a leftist 
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Jimayo posted...AC_Dragonfire posted...(Intelligent paragraph explaining things using my own words)The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives. What? Of course. It's not hard to understand. Liberals suck because they are closet racists instead of the open and proud bigotry of conservatives. You don't get it. You think it's just a dig at liberals when what he is saying is that conservatives are awful and liberals are just like them but pretending not to be.
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X sounds like a cynical racist.
I can understand why that'd appeal to conservatives.
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Tmk posted...
X sounds like a cynical racist. Black people didn't exactly get a lot of handouts in those days, and If they did get a hand, it was usually a closed fist.
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Kradek posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...I would've liked to have peaceful argument but seems you want to be aggressive. I am not right-wing, I know Christians who are leftist and they are completely hypocritical if one doesn't fit their ideals. I have never said or believe that ALL leftists are trying to kill Christianity. Atheists are trying to and they are all leftist. I don't think Jesus wants to put anything down anyone's throat. Jesus was a good person who was probably a liberal in his time. |
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The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
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pfalcon posted...
Black people didn't exactly get a lot of handouts in those days, and If they did get a hand, it was usually a closed fist. I'm well aware racism doesn't tend to crop up in a person's heart because the Racism Fairy visited them one day, wiggled its wand and made them go, "Know what? I think I'll be racist!" Though the more shocking revelation for many here would probably be that this applies to white people as well.
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Tmk posted...X sounds like a cynical racist. Hand outs are a way of oppressing people when the money could be used to build/make more jobs. I been friends with black people my entire life and I support the right in their movements in 2016 & Beyond like bed bad & beyond (it's not bath cuz I don't wash myself like that). I leaned with old school liberal ideas but the party has been hi-jacked. 2900 days of Obama administration and he did nothing for the prosperity of the country. The "leftist" vision of the world is a dystopian future. They may want to believe they're right about everything but there is only peace when there is 2 or more parties fighting for power in the great nation of USA. I have always kept an open mind since my youth which is something a conservative is not known for. This American Black Guy urges his fellow Black Americans to get off the "Liberal Plantation". 
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Hand outs are a way of oppressing people This is what conservatives actually believe.
A bad enough dude to save the President.
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So is it all of his opinions you give weight to, or just the ones that give you even the narrowest of excuses to bash liberals?
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Hand outs are a way of oppressing people when the money could be used to build/make more jobs.
I love when people say this nonsense. "Quickly my brothers! We must create jobs from thin air!"
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Reason why we have a MLK day is because he was a Christian and a puppet of the white man. X was a Muslim and knew how to get s*** done. You don't beg for freedom like a beggar when it's not theirs to give.
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There was a political advertisement in GTA5 that I think perfectly nails conservative values.
"My opponent is a know-it-all shrew who actually thinks helping people is the best way to help people"
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I would argue that Progressives are the most hypocritical not liberals.
If only X could see this banana Republic the voters have gotten us into.
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Malcom X and Muhammad Ali sound racist That's because they were.
"'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Hand outs are a way of oppressing people when the money could be used to build/make more jobs. Are you serious?
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Musa- posted...
Reason why we have a MLK day is because he was a Christian and a puppet of the white man. Puppet of the white man? I don't know what the f*** you're smoking, but be sure to pass that s***. Puff puff pass motherf***er.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
AC_Dragonfire posted...I support the old school America where people weren't having civil war like they are now between the right and left. Got em'
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AC_Dragonfire posted...
Malcom X got huge amount of respect in how he carries himself through his thought process. The way he flows through conversation makes me think of Jordan Peterson who has an IQ of 140~. I like how much fail is in this post -I like how TC compares activist who died fighting for civil rights for an oppressed group to guy who got rich b****ing about trans kids. -Secondly, this quote isn't any different from MLK quote about centrists that the left love posting. - He still calls conservatives racists. They where just more honest about it - I do think there is a lot of examined racism within leftist and especially liberal circles. Conservatives are still much worse in their active oppression of black people. The democrats maybe largely hot air and an occasion bone with regards to civil rights, but that is still miles ahead of the active and malicious oppression that the GoP is going through with
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Malcolm X promoted black empowerment and self-sufficiency among black people.
MLK, once a registered Republican like his father, rolled over to white liberals.
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Musa- posted...
Reason why we have a MLK day is because he was a Christian and a puppet of the white man. X was a Muslim and knew how to get s*** done. You don't beg for freedom like a beggar when it's not theirs to give. yeah, no. mlk actually accomplished more than any other civil rights leader, malcom x got nothing done
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Malcolm X and MLK are two sides of the same coin. I think both had an equal benefit to Black America. MLK was just much more palatable for whites than X.
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andel posted...
yeah, no. mlk actually accomplished more than any other civil rights leader, malcom x got nothing done Cuz he got killed sooner, duh. He was a bigger threat cuz he was gonna bring actual change, not this wish washy discriminating s*** we have today. The whites in power saw him as a threat and ended him, that alone should tell you who had a stronger, more successful plan to equality |
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malcolm x was too hard-line to get anything done, on top of being Islamist. hell of a speaker though.
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Musa- posted...
andel posted...yeah, no. mlk actually accomplished more than any other civil rights leader, malcom x got nothing done except he never gained nearly as much traction and denounced his violent ways later in life so that kinda debunks your theory
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Malcom X was more on the side of conservatism.
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Heh, he's absolutely right. I wonder if he was psychic too? Dems have done absolutely nothing for black voters in the last few decades. Dems have flooded black communities with illegals who have contributed to crime, scarcer resources, wage stagnation, etc.
No jobs, support for teachers' unions that dont give a damn about educating students, etc.
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pfalcon posted...
Tmk posted...X sounds like a cynical racist. Yes, his racism/cynicism is somewhat understandable, unlike modern conservatives. Still not a good thing though.
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makes me think of Jordan Peterson who has an IQ of 140~.
Haha.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.Barenziah Boy Toy posted...I love how conservatives are basically agreeing with Malcolm X's message that:
'Conservatives are at least honest about their evilness.'
Why the hell are so many fools on this board treating this like a damn game? One side versus the other side. Believe it or not there are a lot of democrats that are distancing themselves from this millennial liberal movement that are acting like a bunch of malcontent teenagers. Waahhhh nobody wants to give me anything for free, waahhhh words hurt my feelings. Grow up libs, there are many different people on the left side that want absolutely nothing to do with youBecause my life is dope and I do dope ****I'm sure Malcolm and Ali would be proud to be honored by low IQ pro-fascists.Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" Trump(edited 1 day ago)mr_brain123 posted...Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
I love how conservatives are basically agreeing with Malcolm X's message that:
'Conservatives are at least honest about their evilness.'
Why the hell are so many fools on this board treating this like a damn game? One side versus the other side. Believe it or not there are a lot of democrats that are distancing themselves from this millennial liberal movement that are acting like a bunch of malcontent teenagers. Waahhhh nobody wants to give me anything for free, waahhhh words hurt my feelings. Grow up libs, there are many different people on the left side that want absolutely nothing to do with you
I want to distance myself from this guy.Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" Trumpmr_brain123 posted...Why the hell are so many fools on this board treating this like a damn game?
Who is that? It is the conservatives on this board trying to troll by completely misinterpreting Malcolm X's message.You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard
{Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite}The reason Malcolm X isn't touted the way MLK is is because Malcolm was more honest about certain segments of the "progressives"...
You can't have a guy lik ethat head your movement.
And to the guy who said MLK was a better persobn. You know MLK plagiarized his speeches, school papers, beat the s*** out of his wife, and cheated on her with prostitutes, right? Not to mention, the guy was a f***ing communist which is among the worst things anyone can ever be.
Malcolm was no saint but let's not paint MLK as the picture of goodness.
That said, I don't agree with a lot of what Malcolm said, but he was 100% spot on with his views on liberals.RyanBraun8 posted...I'm sure Malcolm and Ali would be proud to be honored by low IQ pro-fascists.
Ali and X were both strongly against integration, that probably gains them a lot of favor with our local conservatives/racists. The crazy thing is both X and Ali had white ancestors which makes their whole arguments against integration so ass backwards. Hell Ali even visited the birthplace of his great grandfather (that means one of his own grandparents was fathered by a white man) in Ireland.
I'm glad later in life X changed his views on whites, and if he had lived long enough to see Regan's senile ass, he'd probably have some s*** to say about Republicans, then I suppose this topic wouldn't exist then...wiggity wham wham wozzleRyanBraun8 posted...I'm sure Malcolm and Ali would be proud to be honored by low IQ pro-fascists.
Lol great move, alienate dems by calling everyone fascists or nazis because they don't think exactly like you
The left is not a hive mind you fool
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yah that was after his visits to mecca & medina. he saw white muslims praying next to brown, and it shifted his whole view on the matter. by then it was too late though, his rep was solidified and there was no changing it. really crazy to think how much of a screwed up racial bubble the US is in at times.Please clap.mr_brain123 posted...RyanBraun8 posted...
I'm sure Malcolm and Ali would be proud to be honored by low IQ pro-fascists.
Lol great move, alienate dems by calling everyone fascists or nazis because they don't think exactly like you
The left is not a hive mind you fool
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Hunters' Hub Discord server: https://discord.gg/ffuebqQKradek posted...Ok, all I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X until now is constant hatred.
You don't suddenly get to use him now to support your argument while s***ting on him and everything else he did literally every other time.
Disingenuous f***s.
You sound butthurt child.FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://i.imgur.com/LJ3WSyB.gifKamiccolohan posted...The reason Malcolm X isn't touted the way MLK is is because Malcolm was more honest about certain segments of the "progressives"...
Well, also, for a good part of his public life, he said white people were the devil, they were created by scientists to destroy the superior black race, etc. Pretty insane stuff.
I'd rather make MLK Jr my movement's role model too.MAGA.Kamiccolohan posted...The reason Malcolm X isn't touted the way MLK is is because Malcolm was more honest about certain segments of the "progressives"...
No, it's because MLK preached equality and compassion for fellow human beings and X was a racist piece of s*** who didn't get woke until far too late in his life. The people who wanted MLK as their guy wanted to end racist thought, not perpetuate it by shifting "superiority" to another group."'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry(edited 1 day ago)oarphishmoe posted...Barenziah Boy Toy posted...
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I support the old school America where people weren't having civil war like they are now between the right and left.
Oh, old school America? Like in the 90s during the LA and Bensonhurst Riots? Or the 60s and 70s during the Civil Rights riots? Or the 1910s to 1930s when there were union riots, and anarchist riots, and KKK riots, and lynchings?
Or the 1860s, when we LITERALLY had a Civil War, which killed more Americans than any other war?
Or the 1840s and 50s, when riots occurred every day between Irish, Pollacks, Chinese, etc., gangs?
Or the 1810s to 1830s, when we had major slave rebellion, whiskey rebellion, Shay's Rebellion?
Got em'
Yeah, the post that forced the TC to leave his topic right here, folks. These guys grab history out of context even more than quotes.Look at all the deflection from Liberals in this thread. They are called out on their hypocrisy by the very minority that they "claim to defend" and they have nothing to say except deflect, deflect, deflect. Never change, Liberals. Never change.(edited 1 day ago)Malcolm X was a man I respect.TheHonorableOne posted...Kamiccolohan posted...
The reason Malcolm X isn't touted the way MLK is is because Malcolm was more honest about certain segments of the "progressives"...
Well, also, for a good part of his public life, he said white people were the devil, they were created by scientists to destroy the superior black race, etc. Pretty insane stuff.
I'd rather make MLK Jr my movement's role model too.
For folks who think MLK was not critical of White people. Funny how its always his "I Have a Dream Speech" but never these that get the attention.
"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
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“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn.
— Where Do We Go From Here, 1967
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
— “The Other America,” 1968Mirage13 posted...Look at all the deflection from Liberals in this thread. They are called out on their hypocrisy by the very minority that they "claim to defend" and they have nothing to say except deflect, deflect, deflect. Never change, Liberals. Never change.
That will show me. Being told of by a guy who died about 20 years before I was born"Hey bridesmaid, love the beard! Give's me something to hang onto!!"- Lord FlasheartPhlogPyro posted...AC_Dragonfire posted...
Hand outs are a way of oppressing people when the money could be used to build/make more jobs.
Are you serious?
He actually claimed to me that he wasn't a right-winger lmao.ColdOne666 posted...Kradek posted...
Ok, all I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X until now is constant hatred.
You don't suddenly get to use him now to support your argument while s***ting on him and everything else he did literally every other time.
Disingenuous f***s.
You sound butthurt child.
What I sound is correct. Because I am. All I've ever heard from right-wingers in regards to Malcolm X was hatred so palpable they even give it a ton of contempt. But here we are, with a taken out of context quote that actually just makes it apparent that Conservatives are blatantly evil and suddenly he's cool?
No, it doesn't work like that. There's no room in this reality for alternative facts.(edited 1 day ago)And while we're learning from Malcolm X might as well throw in another well known speech X's
Which ever political party that's going out of its way to curtail and stop the minority vote might want to heed his words. Or is this considered deflecting?wiggity wham wham wozzleThe_Undying_84 posted...MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.omnichaos posted...The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.
From MLK:
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."The obvious argument is that even if what Malcom X said were true, and I'm not claiming that it was, there's no reason to think that it's still true. It could have very well been true at some point and not true currently. So bringing it up at all doesn't really say much on its own.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.whobdatboi posted...omnichaos posted...
The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.
From MLK:
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
Do you think he's sanctioning violence here?"'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen FryFunWithAFryPan posted...The obvious argument is that even if what Malcom X said were true, and I'm not claiming that it was, there's no reason to think that it's still true. It could have very well been true at some point and not true currently. So bringing it up at all doesn't really say much on its own.
Conservatives are rather selective when it comes to remembering that time passes.PSN: TheUndying84Nerevar posted...whobdatboi posted...
omnichaos posted...
The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.
From MLK:
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
Do you think he's sanctioning violence here?
Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK. I mean how many people used MLK "I Have a Dream" Speech after every protest/riot to counter it as if MLK would outwardly condemn it just b/c there was violence?FunWithAFryPan posted...The obvious argument is that even if what Malcom X said were true, and I'm not claiming that it was, there's no reason to think that it's still true. It could have very well been true at some point and not true currently. So bringing it up at all doesn't really say much on its own.
It absolutely is more true now than it has ever been.gphjr14 posted...Or is this considered deflecting?
That is, in fact, a deflection. Any time you try to change the topic rather than address the actual argument put forth, you are deflecting.
whobdatboi posted...Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK.
Yes, it is. He is condemning rioting while also condemning that which caused the riot.whobdatboi posted...omnichaos posted...
The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.
From MLK:
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
Did you just interpret that into saying that violence is the answer?He speaks the truth.Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding.[6]
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."[9]Kamiccolohan posted...FunWithAFryPan posted...
The obvious argument is that even if what Malcom X said were true, and I'm not claiming that it was, there's no reason to think that it's still true. It could have very well been true at some point and not true currently. So bringing it up at all doesn't really say much on its own.
It absolutely is more true now than it has ever been.
I disagree. I'm not sure it was ever true.He who strikes with meaning is killed by meaning.Covenant posted...gphjr14 posted...
Or is this considered deflecting?
That is, in fact, a deflection. Any time you try to change the topic rather than address the actual argument put forth, you are deflecting.
whobdatboi posted...Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK.
Yes, it is. He is condemning rioting while also condemning that which caused the riot.
Exactly. Like I said, people use MLK's quotes to just condemn the violence of protests but rarely use the quote that also says we must condemn the condition on why they are protesting in the first place. So for all we know, he may have some sympathy with antifa movement or other protests that end up in violence.omnichaos posted...whobdatboi posted...
omnichaos posted...
The_Undying_84 posted...
MLK was a better person with much better methods who got much better results.
As opposed to being antifa scum who think violence is the answer.
From MLK:
"But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity."
Did you just interpret that into saying that violence is the answer?
Nope. Its more about that MLK might actually sympathize with antifa to an extent.What possible grievances do antifa have?omnichaos posted...What possible grievances do antifa have?
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.PSN: TheUndying84whobdatboi posted...Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either
It definitely is. The key context clue to that is in the first line where he says it isn't enough to condemn the riots, which implies he's absolutely condemning the riots, but something more than a condemnation must be done.
Explaining why they're rioting isn't condoning the riots, just like explaining why an abused child might stab their abuser 17 times in the face isn't condoning stabbing someone 17 times in the face. Your reading of this is way off and is at complete odds with everything MLK stood for."'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen FryThe_Undying_84 posted...omnichaos posted...
What possible grievances do antifa have?
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.
ANTIFA are bored middle class white a******s with nothing better to do. They're not oppressed in any way unless you count other human beings not wanting to be in their presence."'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen FryNerevar posted...The_Undying_84 posted...
omnichaos posted...
What possible grievances do antifa have?
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.
ANTIFA are bored middle class white a******s with nothing better to do. They're not oppressed in any way unless you count other human beings not wanting to be in their presence.
No. You have no idea who they are in any broad sense because they generally maintain anonymity. You're just making a guess about who they are that fits your preferred narrative.PSN: TheUndying84The_Undying_84 posted...omnichaos posted...
What possible grievances do antifa have?
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.
And I'm not a big fan of people who are fundamentally insincere in the way in which they conduct themselves. But that doesn't mean I get to go punch Cenk Uyger in the face.Nerevar posted...whobdatboi posted...
Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either
It definitely is. The key context clue to that is in the first line where he says it isn't enough to condemn the riots, which implies he's absolutely condemning the riots, but something more than a condemnation must be done.
Explaining why they're rioting isn't condoning the riots, just like explaining why an abused child might stab their abuser 17 times in the face isn't condoning stabbing someone 17 times in the face. Your reading of this is way off and is at complete odds with everything MLK stood for.
Your right but more so poor choice of words on my end in characterizing what others use MLK for - which is just to condemn violence in these protest. He's saying its irresponsible for him to just solely do that but the irony is, that's mostly what I see people use his quotes for.
My original phrase:
"Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK."
Better choice of words:
"Nope but its not just an indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK."The_Undying_84 posted...No. You have no idea who they are in any broad sense because they generally maintain anonymity. You're just making a guess about who they are that fits your preferred narrative.
Those cute little masks they wear don't do anything if they film and post their antics on their social media pages. I know quite a few antifa morons, which is the nature of being part of the left. Just like every other social justice group, I don't see a single person that isn't a bored middle class white kid who wants to feel like they're doing something.
Next time you want to assume something please seriously consider reassessing how much you actually know so you don't project in such an embarrassing way again, thanks."'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen FryNerevar posted...The_Undying_84 posted...
No. You have no idea who they are in any broad sense because they generally maintain anonymity. You're just making a guess about who they are that fits your preferred narrative.
Those cute little masks they wear don't do anything if they film and post their antics on their social media pages. I know quite a few antifa morons, which is the nature of being part of the left. Just like every other social justice group, I don't see a single person that isn't a bored middle class white kid who wants to feel like they're doing something.
Next time you want to assume something please seriously consider reassessing how much you actually know so you don't project in such an embarrassing way again, thanks.
This is what's known as anecdotal evidence. It's not very persuasive.PSN: TheUndying84The_Undying_84 posted...This is what's known as anecdotal evidence.
It is, however, evidence that your assumption that I'm merely making assumptions is ironically uninformed.
The_Undying_84 posted...It's not very persuasive.
Persuading you to believe me isn't really a blip on my radar, guy."'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry(edited 1 day ago)Nerevar posted...The_Undying_84 posted...
This is what's known as anecdotal evidence.
It is, however, evidence that your assumption that I'm merely making assumptions is ironically uninformed.
The_Undying_84 posted...It's not very persuasive.
Persuading you to believe me isn't really a blip on my radar, guy.
I'm not making assumptions that you're making assumptions, you just proved you're making assumptions. That's what anecdotal evidence is. Taking a tiny sample size and assuming it's statistically representative.
The only assumption I made was that you didn't have an actual, accredited, comprehensive study about who they are, which was a pretty sound assumption to make.PSN: TheUndying84(edited 1 day ago)What Malcolm is saying here, like the typical radical within his group, is that it doesn't matter what the beliefs and political opinions were - if you were white, he would find some way to declare that you were always wrong.
We don't need to limit the discussion between Malcolm X and MLK Jr (it's kinda sad that a dearth of modern leadership has limited people to two voices from over 50 years ago). Personally I prefer Booker T. Washington.Hero/Legend of 261. Lover of life,free speech,etc. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1196-
The man who cared too much. Providing trickle-down knowledge since 2009TaiIs82 posted...What Malcolm is saying here, like the typical radical within his group, is that it doesn't matter what the beliefs and political opinions were - if you were white, he would find some way to declare that you were always wrong.
We don't need to limit the discussion between Malcolm X and MLK Jr (it's kinda sad that a dearth of modern leadership has limited people to two voices from over 50 years ago). Personally I prefer Booker T. Washington.
His experiences and readings definitely made him distrust White folks but his pilgrimage to Mecca had a profound impact on how he saw race relations in America to a point that he had hope Whites and Blacks can live peacefully with one another. Sadly, his life was cut short.
"Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race... I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people.”Funny that it didn't affect his feelings that Muslims and literally anyone else could live together peacefully. Oh right, because non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca.omnichaos posted...Funny that it didn't affect his feelings that Muslims and literally anyone else could live together peacefully. Oh right, because non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca.
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying he didn't believe people of different races can live peacefully?- Boards
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- Malcom X, 'The liberal is more deceitful and hypocritical than the conservative'
whobdatboi posted...omnichaos posted...
Funny that it didn't affect his feelings that Muslims and literally anyone else could live together peacefully. Oh right, because non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca.
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying he didn't believe people of different races can live peacefully?
No, but I am saying that it is very highly unlikely that Islam can even remotely coexist peacefully with literally any other ideology that isn't Islam. I support secular reformers like Maajid Nawaz, but the far Left smears him as an Islamophobe. We can't even win the battle for reform here because the Left is determined to be wrong about so god damn much.whobdatboi posted...omnichaos posted...
Funny that it didn't affect his feelings that Muslims and literally anyone else could live together peacefully. Oh right, because non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca.
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying he didn't believe people of different races can live peacefully?
Not sure what the hell that guy's point is, but it is kinda ironic that Saudi Arabia of all places is where he had an epiphany about racial harmony and equality.PSN: TheUndying84Kamiccolohan posted...Not to mention, the guy was a f***ing communist which is among the worst things anyone can ever be.
The worst?
Not genocidal dictators, or slavers, or nazis, no communists are the worst?261 - More troll food than any other board on the net.
What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAUomnichaos posted...whobdatboi posted...
omnichaos posted...
Funny that it didn't affect his feelings that Muslims and literally anyone else could live together peacefully. Oh right, because non-Muslims are forbidden to enter Mecca.
Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying he didn't believe people of different races can live peacefully?
No, but I am saying that it is very highly unlikely that Islam can even remotely coexist peacefully with literally any other ideology that isn't Islam. I support secular reformers like Maajid Nawaz, but the far Left smears him as an Islamophobe. We can't even win the battle for reform here because the Left is determined to be wrong about so god damn much.
Hmm, from my experience, I've seen multi faith groups come together all the time whether its for an event or rally/protest something to even community meetings. To me, I think its not only likely but that it happens fairly regularlyLike I said, they don't allow non-Muslims into Mecca. And that is only one problem of the massive plethora of problems that Islam has.omnichaos posted...Like I said, they don't allow non-Muslims into Mecca. And that is only one problem of the massive plethora of problems that Islam has.
And like I said, even with that, people practicing Islam were working together with other religious groups peacefully so, again, its already happening.
Also, non-Catholics are forbidden to take part in the Communion. Can we make the same argument then that Catholics won't be able to get along with non-Cathlolics? There's all kinds of sacred religious practices that limits non-believers ability to participate in.Those moderate, secular Western Muslims are the minority. The majority of Muslims believe in theocracy. Islamic theocracy.Can't we all just get along?^ I would pay good money to see Glen Greenwald go into a Pakistani Mosque and ask that very question.omnichaos posted...Those moderate, secular Western Muslims are the minority. The majority of Muslims believe in theocracy. Islamic theocracy.
No, but I am saying that it is very highly unlikely that Islam can even remotely coexist peacefully with literally any other ideology that isn't Islam
Well then your statement seems to be a hyperbole since its not only a possibility but that its already happening. Also, there are stories of non-Western Muslims and Christians working together i.e. refugee situation in Syria and Iraq.(edited 1 day ago)Well I value statistics more than I do anecdotes.
omnichaos posted...Well I value statistics more than I do anecdotes.
Interesting. From the same study:
"Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims."
Also
"Muslims differ widely as to whether sharia should be open to multiple understandings."
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/omnichaos posted...
I fail to see how this proves your argument that Islam won't get along with other religion.So you come home from work and your Muslim neighbor is stoning his wife to death in his side yard (for sleeping with another dude). Do you just wave at him, walk into your house, and watch McGregor vs Mayweather?(edited 1 day ago)omnichaos posted...So you come home from work and your Muslim neighbor is stoning his wife to death in his side yard (for sleeping with another dude). Do you just wave at him, walk into your house, and watch McGregor vs Mayweather?
@omnichaos
I thought we weren't doing any anecdotes (well more like thought-exercise really).
Here's another from PEW:
"Christianity and Islam also coexist with each other. Many Christians and Muslims in sub-Saharan Africa describe members of the other faith as tolerant and honest. In most countries, relatively few see evidence of widespread anti-Muslim or anti-Christian hostility, and on the whole they give their governments high marks for treating both religious groups fairly"
http://www.pewforum.org/2010/04/15/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa/
Look, I'm sure you can find some more studies and examples about why you have those beliefs and I'll get mine because at the end of the day, we probably not going to agree on this so if you want to continue to distrust those that practice Islam (whether in western world or not), not like I can stop you. Have a good night.That's not an anecdote, that's a hypothetical. I'm asking if you'd be ok with living next to someone who behaves in that manner.omnichaos posted...That's not an anecdote, that's a hypothetical. I'm asking if you'd be ok with living next to someone who behaves in that manner.
That's why I said thought-exercise. And whatever answer I give, that's still going to function as an anecdote of sort for me, one person. That doesn't really help your case (by your own standard that youve set). Again, your argument is something like 'its very highly unlikely that Muslims can coexist with other religion'. There's proof that that's not the case. Are there places where there's tension, conflict, etc. where people are using the Islam as a tool of oppression, yes. Are there examples (in the western world and beyond) where they do coexist, yes.(edited 1 day ago)TorchOfLiberty posted...Malcolm X was a man I respect.
much better than obama thats for sure.i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ | GA-Z97-HD3 | ASUS GTX 960 2GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | 1TB HDD | CX750M | 12GB DDR3The_Undying_84 posted...
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.
there hasnt been Nazi rallies since the 1940s.
you are thinking neonazis which have tiny support.
but but they are the "same thing"!i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ | GA-Z97-HD3 | ASUS GTX 960 2GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | 1TB HDD | CX750M | 12GB DDR3(edited 1 day ago)Barenziah Boy Toy posted...Oh, old school America? Like in the 90s during the LA and Bensonhurst Riots? Or the 60s and 70s during the Civil Rights riots? Or the 1910s to 1930s when there were union riots, and anarchist riots, and KKK riots, and lynchings?
Or the 1860s, when we LITERALLY had a Civil War, which killed more Americans than any other war?
Or the 1840s and 50s, when riots occurred every day between Irish, Pollacks, Chinese, etc., gangs?
Or the 1810s to 1830s, when we had major slave rebellion, whiskey rebellion, Shay's Rebellion?
while its true what you wrote
is there anything you like about old America? or just all evil?i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ | GA-Z97-HD3 | ASUS GTX 960 2GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | 1TB HDD | CX750M | 12GB DDR3whobdatboi posted...omnichaos posted...
That's not an anecdote, that's a hypothetical. I'm asking if you'd be ok with living next to someone who behaves in that manner.
That's why I said thought-exercise. And whatever answer I give, that's still going to function as an anecdote of sort for me, one person. That doesn't really help your case (by your own standard that youve set). Again, your argument is something like 'its very highly unlikely that Muslims can coexist with other religion'. There's proof that that's not the case. Are there places where there's tension, conflict, etc. where people are using the Islam as a tool of oppression, yes. Are there examples (in the western world and beyond) where they do coexist, yes.
Ok, so are you saying that asking you if you would be ok with living next to a Muslim male who stones one of his wives to death is anecdotal in the sense that you are one person, and that most other non-Muslims could possibly be ok with living next to Muslims who crush in women's skulls for the crime of adultery?Because you're right, you are one person and that would be an anecdotal representation of how many non-Muslims are ok with living next to Muslims who execute their wives in honor killings. But do we really need to take a poll to show that most non-Muslims aren't ok with that? Because I'm pretty sure most non-Muslims aren't ok with that.AmonAmarth posted...The_Undying_84 posted...
They're not a big fan of Nazi rallies happening in America, for one thing.
there hasnt been Nazi rallies since the 1940s.
you are thinking neonazis which have tiny support.
but but they are the "same thing"!
Support for white supremacist is up to double digits in America, including the current POTUS"Hey bridesmaid, love the beard! Give's me something to hang onto!!"- Lord FlasheartTmk posted...X sounds like a cynical racist.
I can understand why that'd appeal to conservatives.
Not racist, just incredibly cynical about the motivations of white people. Given the era, I'm not exactly surprised though.DS - (ix)
I helped with a game: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/world-war-b/id1096584665I'm unconvinced of the claim he wasn't racist.I am snazzier, hot, hot rant. Warily slight as.
Croak rush, OK? Weirder, almighty make out. ::)mad_hax_man posted...Support for white supremacist is up to double digits in America, including the current POTUS
fake news. ppp and marist said white supramcists have ~4% support.
and trump isnt one either.
liberals at least use facts sometimes.
sjws? just lie and lie.i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ | GA-Z97-HD3 | ASUS GTX 960 2GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | 1TB HDD | CX750M | 12GB DDR3(edited 1 day ago)AC_Dragonfire posted...but we only have a holiday for MLK but not Malcom X
ive wondered why medger evers doesn't share the day with king.Tmk posted...I'm unconvinced of the claim he wasn't racist.
It was, but Malcom X wasn't necessarily a petty, angry race baiter.Covenant posted...gphjr14 posted...
Or is this considered deflecting?
That is, in fact, a deflection. Any time you try to change the topic rather than address the actual argument put forth, you are deflecting.
whobdatboi posted...Nope but its not an actual indictment against rioting/violence either that some people would have us believe regarding MLK.
Yes, it is. He is condemning rioting while also condemning that which caused the riot.
My main problem with the topic aside from TC probably only showing interest in Malcolm X because he's taking a jab at liberals, is that X died long before he could see the impact of LBJ's Great Society legislation. If the man was alive today he'd probably still talk s*** about liberals but he'd more than likely spit on the idea of modern day conservatives. He seemed a little too smart to fall into the "same thing both sides," school of thought. If that's deflection then cool I just don't like to pigeonhole people's views and what they represented unless they just flat out say I'm a Nazi piece of s*** or Antifa nut job, then I judge away.wiggity wham wham wozzleAmonAmarth posted...fake news. ppp and marist said white supramcists have ~4% support.
4% willing to admit to being white supremacists, that is.
AmonAmarth posted...and trump isnt one either.
His actions show otherwise.A bad enough dude to save the President.
"We chose more government instead of more freedom." - Marco Rubio (R-Florida) on the Bush administrationwhite supremacist beliefs are considered "acceptable" by 10% of American adults. It's not the same as "support" but it's pretty close.
Malcolm X was a radical Muslim socialist, by the way, and while he bashed the crap out of white liberals early on in his autobiography, he then shifted his stance immensely by the end of the book, and said white liberals are allies of black people, far more than conservatives.
His views have been cherrypicked to death by the right-wing in the decades since his death, same with MLK Jr.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.com(edited 18 hours ago)Cue the liberals calling them race traitors for speaking the truth*picard face palm*Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comomnichaos posted...Because you're right, you are one person and that would be an anecdotal representation of how many non-Muslims are ok with living next to Muslims who execute their wives in honor killings. But do we really need to take a poll to show that most non-Muslims aren't ok with that? Because I'm pretty sure most non-Muslims aren't ok with that.
Sure. I'm just playing along with the value that you've set, which is that you value stats over anecdotes so I stopped using anecdotes (or hypotheticals which to me served similar purpose here). To showcase a stat that says a % of Muslims are ok with stoning for adultery doesn't help your argument that 'its highly unlikely Muslims can get along with non-Muslims' when again, there's examples of it already happening through anecdotes and the studies from the PEW - which you've yet to really counter.
And also, PEW studies show a lot of variance of how Islam is practiced so there is also that.AcFan87 posted...Cue the liberals calling them race traitors for speaking the truth
Still waiting for that cue. So far, no liberals.You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard
{Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite}Malcolm X is a race traitor!
Crap, my bad.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comI can't see Omnichaos' posts, but global Muslims are largely not compatible with most mainstream American values. Those Pew numbers are repeatedly brought up over the years to show the extreme views of Muslims.
But here's the thing: Muslims who choose to come to America are choosing to LEAVE Sharia law countries, to LEAVE countries with those values. And America's multi-cultural, multi-religion society is very well known globally. It's not like Muslims who apply for entry into the US are coming into the country, then expressing immense shock that gay people and adulterers are not killed on the spot. Clinton was an adulterer. Donald Trump is an adulterer. JFK was an adulterer. None have been stoned to death for it.
There's also little evidence that Muslim Americans seek to bring sharia law to the US. All of the top Muslim American political figures in the Democratic party have never mentioned it a single time. Pew Research also found that Muslim Americans are more in favor of gay marriage than black Americans, a Democrat Christian demographic. And, needless to say, far more in favor of gay marriage than white evangelical Republicans, which is the core demographic of the Republican party.
So you can't just lump global Muslims with American Muslims. Big difference.
Also factor in the following: http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2011/08/2010-muslim-americans-s1-04.png
30% of Muslim Americans are white, 7% are Hispanic, 20% are Asian, 20% are black. The Pew data where Islamic views are most extreme are mostly from Arabic countries. Arab Muslims are perhaps 10-20% of the Muslim American population. So there's a lot of nuance here that we need to remember.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.com(edited 16 hours ago)well at least charliesix gave some numbers.
the 2020 census will have a MENA category to address some of that.
from wikipedia:According to a newer estimate done in 2016, there were 3.3 million Muslims living in the United States, about 1% of the total U.S. population.
Thats less than France.i7-4790@ 3.6GHZ | GA-Z97-HD3 | ASUS GTX 960 2GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | 1TB HDD | CX750M | 12GB DDR3
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