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Most Americans reject BLM, according to new Harvard poll

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Ammonitida 1 day ago#1
while a majority hold some negative views about cops 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/03/poll-most-americans-dont-view-black-lives-matter-favorably/

Fifty-seven percent of Americans view Black Lives Matter negatively, while only 43 percent have a positive view of the movement, the Harvard- Harris poll released to the Hill revealed. The views on Black Lives Matter were also strongly divided along racial lines — 83 percent of black people had a positive view of the organization compared to 35 percent of white people who do.

“The public is sympathetic to the problem of police using too much force but overall are unsympathetic to the Black Lives Matter movement,” said Harvard-Harris co-director Mark Penn. “As you might expect, white voters are sharply negative to the group while African-Americans give them positive ratings.”

Most of those surveyed also had issues with how quick police officers are to use force against people. Fifty-six percent had problems with how quickly officers did, while 54 percent surveyed also had a problem with how quickly officers shoot black people.
Sayoria 1 day ago#2
Well BLM is a mess. It is unorganized and harbors a great number of vocal problem starters... some taking advantage of riots to achieve material possessions as seen in Baltimore years back.
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maybe if they just made it blmt

black lives matter too

then this wouldn't be true
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Offworlder1 1 day ago#4
Good, BLM is not a good cause, they create more problems and attract more thugs/trouble makers then people actually supporting what the movement originally stood for.

BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.
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darkphoenix181 posted...
maybe if they just made it blmt

black lives matter too

then this wouldn't be true


Could have been the case but between that, choosing an unsympathetic POS for their mascot, and all of their leaders being racist scumbags, it was pretty much guaranteed to turn people off.
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SageHarpuia 1 day ago#6
As they should.
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Iodine 1 day ago#8
Makes sense. There are plenty of black activists who are not a fan of BLM.
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LinksLiege 1 day ago#9
I'm...actually kinda surprised by this.

In a positive sense though. I don't like social movements which approach religious levels of dogma.
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Cynnalia 1 day ago#10
Thought this was a topic about the Bureau of Land Management...was disappointed.
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Milkman5 1 day ago#11
should be higher than 57 percent imo
Medz2017 1 day ago#12
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darkphoenix181 posted...
maybe if they just made it blmt

black lives matter too

then this wouldn't be true


Yes it would. Making a movement centered around race attracts race supremacists and race haters. Cops should not be shooting unarmed people of any race if it can be avoided.
BLM died when Trump was elected, but the movement had long since devolved from an anti-brutality movement into a race victimization movement based around a group wanting to blame other people for problems they were creating.

Hopefully the third-generation of the movement will drop the race angle and just be "End Police Brutality." That one actually has a chance at succeeding.
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k darkfire 1 day ago#15
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.


Because this is what they really think:

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Milkman5 1 day ago#17
BLM by it's nature is going to attract a lot of black supremacists. I want to say it was a mistake by the leaders to not condemn and distance themselves from black supremacy,

but a lot of the leaders are supremacists themselves
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k darkfire 1 day ago#19
That's incredibly disturbing. Why is the racism and violence against Whites exploding lately?
boxington 1 day ago#20
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.
Offworlder1 posted...
BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


Yea those black people should instead Rob and kill in white neighborhoods instead of their own. Broke as fuck? Go to the suburbs and Rob the Starbucks.
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Offworlder1 posted...

BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


No it's not. Black on Black violence is no different than white on white violence or brown on brown violence. It's just something that happens due to proximity. It's not a huge issue and something like...less than 1% of people in the Black Community suffer from it. 

Also one is criminals who go to prison and get punished for their crimes. The other is the literal law enforcement shooting and killing people and not getting punished at all.
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Ammonitida 1 day ago#23
boxington posted...
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.


Seriously?

Here are some now deleted tweets from one of the most prominent BLM people on the internet, Mr. King.

http://therightscoop.com/black-activist-shaun-king-says-gun-enthusiasts-have-small-pensises-forgot-to-delete-pro-gun-tweet/

That's one of the biggest problems with BLM and their supporters. So many refuse to accept that overt racists play a large role in the movement. There's no "whether or not that's the case" about it. It's demonstrably true.
k darkfire posted...
That's incredibly disturbing. Why is the racism and violence against Whites exploding lately?


lmao shut up
Ammonitida posted...
boxington posted...
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.


Seriously?

Here are some now deleted tweets from one of the most prominent BLM people on the internet, Mr. King.

http://therightscoop.com/black-activist-shaun-king-says-gun-enthusiasts-have-small-pensises-forgot-to-delete-pro-gun-tweet/

That's one of the biggest problems with BLM and their supporters. So many refuse to accept that overt racists play a large role in the movement. There's no "whether or not that's the case" about it. It's demonstrably true.


Gun enthusiast is a race?
boxington 1 day ago#26
Ammonitida posted...
boxington posted...
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.


Seriously?

Here are some now deleted tweets from one of the most prominent BLM people on the internet, Mr. King.

http://therightscoop.com/black-activist-shaun-king-says-gun-enthusiasts-have-small-pensises-forgot-to-delete-pro-gun-tweet/

That's one of the biggest problems with BLM and their supporters. So many refuse to accept that overt racists play a large role in the movement. There's no "whether or not that's the case" about it. It's demonstrably true.

no, I acknowledge that there are racists within BLM, but there are also people assumed to be a part of it just because they're black supremacists. 

i.e. that one guy that killed those cops a year or two ago.
I is smart 1 day ago#27
Offworlder1 posted...
Good, BLM is not a good cause, they create more problems and attract more thugs/trouble makers then people actually supporting what the movement originally stood for.

BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


BLM started off with Michael Brown as its poster child, that should tell everyone all they need to know about what it originally stood for.
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Ammonitida posted...
Here are some now deleted tweets from one of the most prominent BLM people on the internet, Mr. King.

http://therightscoop.com/black-activist-shaun-king-says-gun-enthusiasts-have-small-pensises-forgot-to-delete-pro-gun-tweet/

That's one of the biggest problems with BLM and their supporters. So many refuse to accept that overt racists play a large role in the movement. There's no "whether or not that's the case" about it. It's demonstrably true.


Shaun King having a small penis would be one of the least surprising things I've heard.
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Ammonitida posted...
while 54 percent surveyed also had a problem with how quickly officers shoot black people.


So they agree with some of the cause.
ZMythos 1 day ago#30
BLM was more organized when it was a small movement after Trayvon Martin. After Brown and Garner, more vocal (and probably shortsighted) individuals hijacked the platform via social media, leading to civil unrest and an overall blurring of the objectives and methods of the original movement. 

At the same time, many (probably racist) opposers to the movement discredited all of its goals through "all lives matter," "blue lives matter", and only drawing attention to the violence when there was a whole other sect of the movement seeking serious and reasonable reform. 

Then there is the balance between civil unrest and official responsibility. When peaceful protests and marches don't send the message, aggression is often a more probable outcome. And those who obstructed or closed their ears/minds to the peaceful side are now the ones denouncing it as "pure violence." You see it in TV and movies all the time. 

It was the combination of poor organization and silent representatives that led to the negative image and ultimate decline of the movement.
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yanksfan4247 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


Yea those black people should instead Rob and kill in white neighborhoods instead of their own. Broke as fuck? Go to the suburbs and Rob the Starbucks.


Didn't someone's sister say that. Don't riot and destroy our home over my brother. Go to a white neighborhood and riot.
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ZMythos posted...
It was the combination of poor organization and silent representatives that led to the negative image and ultimate decline of the movement.


It's also the internet. People will create whatever narrative they want using whatever sources they want. I don't think we're going to be seeing many successful protest movements in the internet age--the more attention you get, the harder it gets for the message to stay untainted by people who want to destroy it.
boxington 1 day ago#34
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
yanksfan4247 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


Yea those black people should instead Rob and kill in white neighborhoods instead of their own. Broke as fuck? Go to the suburbs and Rob the Starbucks.


Didn't someone's sister say that. Don't riot and destroy our home over my brother. Go to a white neighborhood and riot.

yea, I think so.
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Offworlder1 posted...
Good, BLM is not a good cause, they create more problems and attract more thugs/trouble makers then people actually supporting what the movement originally stood for.

BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


BLM started off with Michael Brown as its poster child, that should tell everyone all they need to know about what it originally stood for.


To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.
The Admiral posted...
Ammonitida posted...
Here are some now deleted tweets from one of the most prominent BLM people on the internet, Mr. King.

http://therightscoop.com/black-activist-shaun-king-says-gun-enthusiasts-have-small-pensises-forgot-to-delete-pro-gun-tweet/

That's one of the biggest problems with BLM and their supporters. So many refuse to accept that overt racists play a large role in the movement. There's no "whether or not that's the case" about it. It's demonstrably true.


Shaun King having a small penis would be one of the least surprising things I've heard.

Shaun King can go fuck himself for that racist bullshit.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Didn't someone's sister say that. Don't riot and destroy our home over my brother. Go to a white neighborhood and riot.


Yeah but considering she said "Take that shit to the suburbs. We need our shit. We need our weaves. I don't wear it, but we need it," she was probably being less than serious. I thought her point was "if you're mad at white people, why are you hurting your own black neighborhoods?" Which isn't a great message but she wasn't exactly calling for white riots. That's just my perspective though.
ZMythos 1 day ago#38
CrimsonRage posted...

To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

It was around since Trayvon Martin.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
yanksfan4247 posted...
Offworlder1 posted...
BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


Yea those black people should instead Rob and kill in white neighborhoods instead of their own. Broke as fuck? Go to the suburbs and Rob the Starbucks.


Didn't someone's sister say that. Don't riot and destroy our home over my brother. Go to a white neighborhood and riot.

Not the point I was trying to make, was saying the issue of black on black violence is something not enough people are concerned about, instead it is all about "police killing black people" which while an issue as not as regularly occurring.
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TheVipaGTS 1 day ago#41
If this poll was done a few months ago it might be different. The movement itself has been hijacked by racists and idiots. It started withgood intentions but morons took it over and ruined the message and cause.
Kineth 1 day ago#42
A topic full of lies and half-truths. I'm _shocked_.
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Ammonitida 1 day ago#44
Knowledge_King posted...
Offworlder1 posted...

BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.


No it's not. Black on Black violence is no different than white on white violence or brown on brown violence. It's just something that happens due to proximity. It's not a huge issue and something like...less than 1% of people in the Black Community suffer from it. 

Also one is criminals who go to prison and get punished for their crimes. The other is the literal law enforcement shooting and killing people and not getting punished at all.


Black on black murder has the lowest clearance rate in America. 

Here's an example. 

https://ronepraiseindy.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/criminalhomicidemonthlyreport_2013.pdf

Look at the stats. A significant percentage of black homicides go unsolved in Indy. In contrast, nearly all white homicides were solved.

Nationally, black homicides are twice as likely to go unsolved as white and Hispanic homicides. 

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/what-clearance-rates-say-about-disparities-crime-and-prosecution-0

When murders go unsolved, those murderers continue to terrorize the community. It's a big reason why black crimes stats are so inflated. 

It's not a huge issue and something like...less than 1% of people in the Black Community suffer from it.


Even more true for police brutality or police shootings in general. Less than 1%.
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metralo 1 day ago#45
Most Americans are also stupid and racist. So this isn't surprising.
CrimsonRage posted...
It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.


It's going to be attributed to the DNC literally pandering them with the BLM mom's panel, and then black people deciding to show up in record low numbers on election day. BLM and their causes simply wasn't enough to get voters to show up when it mattered. It's done as a cause any politician will embrace again on the national level.
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I is smart 1 day ago#47
ZMythos posted...
CrimsonRage posted...

To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

It was around since Trayvon Martin.


The supposed ideals the movement claims to stand for have been around for a while but I don't remember hearing the name BLM until Brown.
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Sada_Pop 1 day ago#48
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites .



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Ammonitida 1 day ago#49
ZMythos posted...
CrimsonRage posted...

To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

It was around since Trayvon Martin.


It was around since the 60s.
k darkfire 1 day ago#50
boxington posted...
k darkfire posted...
BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.

But, you're wrong, lol. BLM was always solely about them. They don't give a F about anyone else but, themselves. There was a time in which BLM would have been needed but, this is 2017 and we've had a Black president and numerous powerful Black leaders but, they still think America is out to get them. 

We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?
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    TheVipaGTS 1 day ago#51
    Yea the BLM movement started when a video of the Brown incident went viral. It was meant to specifically focus on police misconduct. Unfortunately thanks to immediate opposition and idiots claiming the group everything fell apart.
    ZMythos posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...

    To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

    It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

    It was around since Trayvon Martin.


    I think Trayvon/Zimmerman is considered a separate thing, since it didn't involve cops (just a cop wannabe). It did reignite conversations about how people are quick to shoot blacks tho. BLM itself became "official" starting with Michael Brown.
    k darkfire 1 day ago#53
    Police Brutality happens mostly to Whits as well. yet, if we had a White Lives Matter too we'd be seen as racist. Sad, isn't it?
    TheoryzC 1 day ago#54
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down.

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    Ammonitida 1 day ago#55
    BLM did do some good. The use of badge cams and dash cams are largely because of the push from BLM. These cams help cops too (as well as victims of police brutality).
    k darkfire 1 day ago#56
    Those cams were to proven BLM was full of it.
    Ammonitida posted...
    BLM did do some good. The use of badge cams and dash cams are largely because of the push from BLM. These cams help cops too (as well as victims of police brutality).


    Ironically, police precincts are adding facial recognition software to body cams so officers can identify suspects, people with outstanding warrants, or people who are violating parole as they patrol the streets. This is mostly going to result in more black people getting rounded up, so BLM's signature achievement will simply end up putting more black men in prison.
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    Ammonitida 1 day ago#58
    CrimsonRage posted...
    ZMythos posted...
    CrimsonRage posted...

    To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

    It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

    It was around since Trayvon Martin.


    I think Trayvon/Zimmerman is considered a separate thing, since it didn't involve cops (just a cop wannabe). It did reignite conversations about how people are quick to shoot blacks tho. BLM itself became "official" starting with Michael Brown.


    I saw BLM being used around the time of Treyvon Martin and Jordan Davis. However, the emotion behind it has existed for decades. Remember the Rodney King riots? Social media just gave it a name that stuck.
    LordTrinen 1 day ago#59
    CrimsonRage posted...
    To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

    This speaks of another problem in this day and age. No one waits for the facts. They say first impressions are the most important impressions but not in situations like this. People go with their first impulses and don't stop to use their brains at all. 

    I vividly remember when the Brown nightmare began. Brown's friend started spinning the now disproved tale about Brown's hands being up and people gobbled that up. Then his parents poured more fuel on the fire by holding him up as a Gentle Giant and an innocent victim of the evil police. No one stopped to consider that a lot of the information they were getting was all coming from Brown's loved ones and other people who just had grudges against the police. All testimony that would be inherently biased. Then the video of Brown robbing the store game out and the image of BLM's perfect martyr started to crumble. But still they refused to give up on Brown despite all the new evidence that kept coming out. 

    Any respect I might have had for BLM vanished during the Ferguson Riots.
    Not surprising that they are disliked when they do stuff like block traffic.
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    Spooking 1 day ago#62
    I remember when that Ohio terrorist who ran over a bunch of people at an Ohio university was shot and killed by a security guard. BLM had the nerve to add him to the list of people wrongfully killed by police.
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    boxington 1 day ago#63
    k darkfire posted...
    boxington posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    BLM was always a terrible movement. Black lives matter more then Whites.Why don't these people ever protest Black on Black crime or Black on White? Why do only Black Lives matter but, not Asian or White? Nobodys ever refuted this.

    it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races. and there are movements/demonstrations against black on black violence, it's just not a platform of BLM, from what I can remember. 

    their activism is often poorly handled, though, and that's what likely turned a lot of people against them. they can be abrasive and/ or inconveniencing, and some racists are seen as being a part of the movement, whether that's the case, or not.

    But, you're wrong, lol. BLM was always solely about them. They don't give a F about anyone else but, themselves. There was a time in which BLM would have been needed but, this is 2017 and we've had a Black president and numerous powerful Black leaders but, they still think America is out to get them. 

    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    come on, bro. just because equality was fought for, it doesn't mean that equality was achieved. those were steps in the right direction, though. 

    and idk why people bring up MLK as some kinda attack against activist/advocacy groups; he was reviled by the powers that be in his time, and murdered for his efforts
    the majority of Americans aren't Black. the media controls popular opinion, and there are no Black owned networks. the narrative on Black anything has always been controlled by [redacted] people who use fear mongering and misinformation to influence the perception of the rest of the population. a population of only around 13% can't do a whole lot about public perception.

    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian. 

    there's no reason for Black people to put too much stock into the perception of what "most" Americans think, lol.
    Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
    BAWSE!
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    amerikkka
    RickyTheBAWSE posted...
    the majority of Americans aren't Black. the media controls popular opinion, and there are no Black owned networks. the narrative on Black anything has always been controlled by [redacted] people who use fear mongering and misinformation to influence the perception of the rest of the population. a population of only around 13% can't do a whole lot about public perception.

    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian. 

    there's no reason for Black people to put too much stock into the perception of what "most" Americans think, lol.


    Don't expect those [redacted] Americans to give a shit about your problems then if your attitude is to ignore their opinions.
    - The Admiral
    The Admiral posted...
    RickyTheBAWSE posted... 
    the majority of Americans aren't Black. the media controls popular opinion, and there are no Black owned networks. the narrative on Black anything has always been controlled by [redacted] people who use fear mongering and misinformation to influence the perception of the rest of the population. a population of only around 13% can't do a whole lot about public perception. 

    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian. 

    there's no reason for Black people to put too much stock into the perception of what "most" Americans think, lol.


    Don't expect those [redacted] Americans to give a shit about your problems then if your attitude is to ignore their opinions.


    don't act as if you speak for all of those [redacted] Americans. you're part of the shit demographic of those people, and don't represent them all. stop playing, lol.
    Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
    BAWSE!
    (edited 1 day ago)quote
    BLM is shit, no one rational should support it
    Ammonitida 1 day ago#69
    RickyTheBAWSE posted...
    the majority of Americans aren't Black. the media controls popular opinion, and there are no Black owned networks. the narrative on Black anything has always been controlled by [redacted] people who use fear mongering and misinformation to influence the perception of the rest of the population. a population of only around 13% can't do a whole lot about public perception.

    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian. 

    there's no reason for Black people to put too much stock into the perception of what "most" Americans think, lol.


    Nonsense. The MSM (with the exception of FOX) has been incredibly sympathetic to BLM as a movement. Problem is, BLM is short on facts to back up their narratives, and the internet makes that knowledge available for the masses. The bread and butter of BLM are "contraband" studies (as seen in the two DOJ reports) that employ flawed methodology, exaggerate the significance of the differences found and ignore more rigorous research. There's also the legion of anecdotal comparisons between cases that often have very different circumstances (why did this white man live while this black man die??).
    (edited 1 day ago)quote
    Ammonitida posted...
    RickyTheBAWSE posted...
    the majority of Americans aren't Black. the media controls popular opinion, and there are no Black owned networks. the narrative on Black anything has always been controlled by [redacted] people who use fear mongering and misinformation to influence the perception of the rest of the population. a population of only around 13% can't do a whole lot about public perception. 

    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian. 

    there's no reason for Black people to put too much stock into the perception of what "most" Americans think, lol.


    Nonsense. The MSM (with the exception of FOX) has been incredibly sympathetic to BLM as a movement. Problem is, BLM is short on facts to back up their narratives, and the internet makes that knowledge available for the masses. The bread and butter of BLM are "contraband" studies (as seen in the two DOJ reports) that employ flawed methodology, exaggerate the significance of the differences found and ignore more rigorous research. There's also the legion of anecdotal comparisons between cases with often very different circumstances.


    BLM is overly influenced by the [redacted] Left because they were the only ones willing to listen and had the platforms to reach the masses. 

    much of the Left is virtue signaling and relies on shaming others irrationally in order to look more righteous and push whatever agenda. the message of BLM got blurred by dealing with these people. double edged sword.

    point is BLM doesn't control it's own narrative. from both "allies" and opponents alike.
    Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
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    RickyTheBAWSE posted...
    MLK was a Preacher who was looked at as a terrorist and was killed in a suit, so anybody can be looked at as a villian.


    This is true. Also, MLK blocked traffic.
    xsouljah 1 day ago#73
    Offworlder1 posted...
    Good, BLM is not a good cause, they create more problems and attract more thugs/trouble makers then people actually supporting what the movement originally stood for.

    BLM is also only concerned with police when more crime is black on black violence which is a bigger issue.
    Bishop9800 1 day ago#74
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    . Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?


    No

    http://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/
    I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you.
    PSN-Bishop9800
    lmao hella snowflake-ass nerds up in this thread
    Bishop9800 posted...
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    . Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?


    No

    http://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/


    http://www.protectingblacklife.org/facts-about-abortion/
    Crazyman93 1 day ago#77
    Ammonitida posted...
    while a majority hold some negative views about cops 

    It makes some amount of sense, even accounting for bias. It basically makes BLM similar to Malcom X's Nation of Islam, except without a coherent leadership.

    I can agree with what you say, and still think the way you voice those concerns is wrong.
    let's lubricate friction material!
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    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    Cops kill more whites more and Black on black crime. Lol, BLM is awful. Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?

    Abortion doesn't kill black babies. It kills black embryos and fetuses. 

    But I'm sure your church has told you otherwise
    Bishop9800 1 day ago#79
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    Bishop9800 posted...
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    . Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?


    No

    http://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/


    http://www.protectingblacklife.org/facts-about-abortion/




    Really?
    I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you.
    PSN-Bishop9800
    Cheater87 1 day ago#80
    As someone with police in the family, their violent rhetoric scares me.
    This is the main problem with the whole situation:

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    Damn_Underscore posted...
    This is the main problem with the whole situation:



    what is wrong with what bernie said? makes perfect sense to me.
    HypnoCoosh 1 day ago#83
    Damn_Underscore posted...
    This is the main problem with the whole situation:



    We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    Blocking traffic was common in the civil rights movement.
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    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    Cops kill more whites more and Black on black crime. Lol, BLM is awful. Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?

    White people outnumber blacks 4 to 1. They should be catching more bullets total.
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    k darkfire 1 day ago#86
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    Blocking traffic was common in the civil rights movement.


    No it wasn't and they did it because, they were legit had problems.
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    Blocking traffic was common in the civil rights movement.


    that was the only stupid thing you noticed about that post? literally led off with blatant lies, lol.
    Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
    BAWSE!
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    Cops kill more whites more and Black on black crime. Lol, BLM is awful. Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?

    White people outnumber blacks 4 to 1. They should be catching more bullets total.


    And they do. When you adjust for arrest rates, there is no difference in the frequency blacks and whites are killed by police.
    - The Admiral
    I haven't read the discussion here, but I don't know how anyone can view #BLM negatively. Anyone who does must be ignorant to their agenda.
    CE's source of sage-ly advice 
    #BLM
    LordTrinen 1 day ago#90
    TheRealDill2000 posted...
    I haven't read the discussion here, but I don't know how anyone can view #BLM negatively. Anyone who does must be ignorant to their agenda.

    The original purpose on which the group was founded is noble. It's their actions and violent rhetoric that bring the negativity down on them.
    HypnoCoosh 1 day ago#91
    The Admiral posted...
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    Ghost_Of_Donkey posted...
    Cops kill more whites more and Black on black crime. Lol, BLM is awful. Also, Black women are number in abortion killing black babies. So, what's good?

    White people outnumber blacks 4 to 1. They should be catching more bullets total.


    And they do. When you adjust for arrest rates, there is no difference in the frequency blacks and whites are killed by police.


    This is true but liberals hate facts
    We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
    xsouljah 1 day ago#92
    HypnoCoosh posted...
    This is true but liberals hate facts

    I do not believe there has ever been a more inconvenient truth
    FrisbeeDude 21 hours ago#93
    k darkfire posted...
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    Blocking traffic was common in the civil rights movement.


    No it wasn't and they did it because, they were legit had problems.


    "We'll tell you if your grievances are legit, black people!"

    Fuck outta here
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    k darkfire 21 hours ago#94
    What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?
    (edited 21 hours ago)quote
    HvE25aa 21 hours ago#95
    A literal terrorist group and CE defends them.
    gamepimp12 20 hours ago#96
    I just wish CE would admit they hate black people especially opinionated black people and get it over with.
    we rich now but used to be slaves,we pushing whips now we used to be whipped,rockin chains when we used to be in 'em
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    boxington 20 hours ago#97
    k darkfire posted...
    What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?

    uh, no one said that
    The Admiral 20 hours ago#98
    gamepimp12 posted...
    I just wish CE would admit they hate black people especially opinionated black people and get it over with.


    I just wish people like you would admit you're not smart enough to participate in these discussions and just cry racism as a crutch because it's all you can do.
    - The Admiral
    Monday 20 hours ago#99
    Makeveli_lives posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    We fought a war, we fought so much to ensure Blacks were equal and now you're saying"nuh-uh never happened?" MLK jr died for nothing then? He ensured Blacks were seen as equal by peacefully protesting and being well dressed. he didn't go and block traffic or burn cities down. He did the exact opposite of what BLM has done. Tell me what has BLM done well aside from destroying their own organization?

    Blocking traffic was common in the civil rights movement.


    BLM and the civil rights movement aren't comparable.
    k darkfire 20 hours ago#100
    boxington posted...
    k darkfire posted...
    What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?

    uh, no one said that


    Uhhh, yeah they did.
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      gamepimp12 20 hours ago#101
      The Admiral posted...
      gamepimp12 posted...
      I just wish CE would admit they hate black people especially opinionated black people and get it over with.


      I just wish people like you would admit you're not smart enough to participate in these discussions and just cry racism as a crutch because it's all you can do.


      I can, but why talk to a brick wall ?
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      boxington 20 hours ago#102
      k darkfire posted...
      boxington posted...
      k darkfire posted...
      What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?

      uh, no one said that


      Uhhh, yeah they did.

      no, the post was about how others shouldn't set the narrative for how black people should feel
      k darkfire 20 hours ago#103
      boxington posted...
      k darkfire posted...
      boxington posted...
      k darkfire posted...
      What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?

      uh, no one said that


      Uhhh, yeah they did.

      no, the post was about how others shouldn't set the narrative for how black people should feel


      Stop putting words into my mouth. I consider that assault. I have powers you can never possibly understand.
      TrollSlayer11 20 hours ago#104
      Iodine posted...
      Makes sense. There are plenty of black activists who are not a fan of BLM.


      This. I'm black and I fucking hate BLM with a passion.
      Sunglasses and advil
      boxington posted...
      k darkfire posted...
      boxington posted... 
      k darkfire posted... 
      What gives you the right to say your grievances are more just then ours?

      uh, no one said that


      Uhhh, yeah they did.

      no, the post was about how others shouldn't set the narrative for how black people should feel


      woah woah, are you insinuating that this long-standing tradition is problematic? clearly not for most people because [redacted] people are majority.
      Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
      BAWSE!
      darkjedilink 4 hours ago#106
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.
      'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
      boxington 4 hours ago#107
      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.

      not really. 

      there's been a long history of black people not getting the justice they they deserve, and even if people made judgements before all of the facts came out (as most people are prone to do), it doesn't discount that.
      Wheeze42 4 hours ago#108
      people talk about haravard like it still has prestiege....no....BLM is as strong as ever dont listen to the liars
      darkjedilink 4 hours ago#109
      CrimsonRage posted...
      ZMythos posted...
      CrimsonRage posted...

      To be fair, that was back when there was still ambiguity in the Michael Brown case. By the time more info came to light that painted a more accurate picture of what happened, they were already too committed.

      It's a shame BLM's decline is gonna be attributed to Trump instead of it reaching critical mass.

      It was around since Trayvon Martin.

      I think Trayvon/Zimmerman is considered a separate thing, since it didn't involve cops (just a cop wannabe). It did reignite conversations about how people are quick to shoot blacks tho. BLM itself became "official" starting with Michael Brown.

      So, how long after a black man runs up behind me, knocks me down, sits on my chest, and starts slamming my head into the pavement, all with no physical provocation whatsoever, am I supposed to wait before it's socially acceptable to defend myself?
      'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
      FrisbeeDude 4 hours ago#110
      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.


      White America has shit opinions like this, then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion
      No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!
      Howl 4 hours ago#111
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion


      The nerve of people being opposed to literal racism. GAWD!!!
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      darkjedilink 4 hours ago#112
      boxington posted...
      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.

      not really. 

      there's been a long history of black people not getting the justice they they deserve, and even if people made judgements before all of the facts came out (as most people are prone to do), it doesn't discount that.

      Except BLM literally doesn't fight for that, so your whole post is irrelevant.
      'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen
      boxington 4 hours ago#113
      Pitbuller_26 4 hours ago#114
      Not surprising. 

      Most movements or attempts to bring issues that have an effect on Black Americans almost always are viewed negatively.
      NeonOctopus 4 hours ago#115
      Probably cuz BLM does shit like block ambulances and hold up airports and such and have no official organization.
      the same people who want the whole BLM movement invalidated based off of the words and actions of few are typically the "not all cops" crowd as well.

      the tradition of double standards and intellectual dishonesty is a staple in many of these types.

      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted... 
      darkjedilink posted... 
      boxington posted... 
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.

      not really. 

      there's been a long history of black people not getting the justice they they deserve, and even if people made judgements before all of the facts came out (as most people are prone to do), it doesn't discount that.

      Except BLM literally doesn't fight for that, so your whole post is irrelevant.


      "nuh uh!"
      Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
      BAWSE!
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      LordTrinen 3 hours ago#117
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.


      White America has shit opinions like this, then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion

      Racism is a two-part problem. No one side can fix it alone. One side excluding the other from the discussion will never yield actual results. 

      Blacks and Whites need to learn and accept this.
      Bishop9800 3 hours ago#118
      LordTrinen posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      darkjedilink posted...
      boxington posted...
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.


      White America has shit opinions like this, then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion

      Racism is a two-part problem. No one side can fix it alone. One side excluding the other from the discussion will never yield actual results. 

      Blacks and Whites need to learn and accept this.


      Amen!!!!
      I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you.
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      FrisbeeDude 3 hours ago#119
      Howl posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion


      The nerve of people being opposed to literal racism. GAWD!!!


      "We think a movement the majority of you support is literally a terrorist organization and you all are whining about a problem that is overblown...wait, why don't you want us around when you discuss police and judicial misconduct?!"
      No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!
      Kineth 3 hours ago#120
      Howl posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion


      The nerve of people being opposed to literal racism. GAWD!!!


      Odd because you justify racism on your alt pretty regularly.
      If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.
      LordTrinen posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted... 
      darkjedilink posted... 
      boxington posted... 
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.


      White America has shit opinions like this, then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion

      Racism is a two-part problem. No one side can fix it alone. One side excluding the other from the discussion will never yield actual results. 

      Blacks and Whites need to learn and accept this.


      there's no middle ground unless everybody has equal footing. when did Black people have any sort of say-so in what White America does?

      what specifically could Black(hilarious name, btw) people have done to convince your ancestors to keep their ethnicity rather than give it up to join the social construct known as White? 

      what could Black people have done to prevent White-owned newspapers from slandering Black people with propaganda that was eaten up by the White Americans to subscribe to this narrative that Black people had no control over?

      what could Black people have done to convince the White citizens whom, in your grandpa's youth, participated in Jim Crow related activities? diner beatdowns, lynchings, burnings and other forms of terrorism?

      what should have Black people done about the police terrorism and White gang terrorism that led to the creation of the Black Panthers?

      what about when the CIA flooded the Black community with drugs? so short sighted in their goals that it backfired and ended up an epidemic all across America? renamed a "disease."

      everything Black people have done has been purely reactionary to the assaults that never actually stopped. so wtf are you talking about with your victim blaming? what stake do you even have in all of this? 

      you don't need to answer all of those rhetorical questions. I'm just putting things into perspective, because you sound ignorant as hell. I hope you don't tell rape victims the same thing.

      also, not ALL White people can be part of the conversation. there's a clear difference between those who want to move forward and the people who sound like Admiral.
      Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
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      Mist_Turnips 3 hours ago#122
      Maybe there is some hope for americans.
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      TheoryzC 2 hours ago#123
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      The Admiral 2 hours ago#124
      Those demonstrations didn't help. What helped was MLK working within the political system to make real changes. That's something BLM was too lazy to do.
      - The Admiral
      Spooking 2 hours ago#125
      Only 57%? That number seems too low. Maybe people were too afraid to speak up due to backlash.
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      The Admiral posted...
      Those demonstrations didn't help. What helped was MLK working within the political system to make real changes. That's something BLM was too lazy to do.


      you're lying. 

      they have met and cooperated with politicians who were the most willing. MLK spoke with a sitting president and so did representatives of BLM. 

      why do you keep lying your ass off every time you post? this gimmick is lame as hell, lol.
      Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
      BAWSE!
      (edited 2 hours ago)quote
      Polycosm 2 hours ago#127
      BLM is a righteous mantra but a mess of an organization. Hopefully the core, founding message will find a way to outlive the irredeemable, hollow shell of a movement which currently hosts it.
      BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru)
      dem Liberals, man. can't let them mix their agenda with yours, and they did.

      it sucks because the Left were the only ones who were willing to give them a platform to speak, so naturally they did what they had to do. but the message got corrupted because there was an opportunity to push certain Liberal agendas, and focus got lost.
      Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to your story!
      BAWSE!
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      LordTrinen 1 hour ago#129
      RickyTheBAWSE posted...
      LordTrinen posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted... 
      darkjedilink posted... 
      boxington posted... 
      it was never about black lives mattering more than anyone else's; but bringing accountability for police brutality, systemic injustice, and so on. that's why the movement was able to attract people of all races.

      Their unwavering support for Trayvonn Martin and Michael Brown to birth the movement, and continued spewing of ourtight lies in support of such, proves this objectively false.


      White America has shit opinions like this, then has the nerve to start whining when people of color exclude them from the discussion

      Racism is a two-part problem. No one side can fix it alone. One side excluding the other from the discussion will never yield actual results. 

      Blacks and Whites need to learn and accept this.


      there's no middle ground unless everybody has equal footing. when did Black people have any sort of say-so in what White America does?

      what specifically could Black(hilarious name, btw) people have done to convince your ancestors to keep their ethnicity rather than give it up to join the social construct known as White? 

      what could Black people have done to prevent White-owned newspapers from slandering Black people with propaganda that was eaten up by the White Americans to subscribe to this narrative that Black people had no control over?

      what could Black people have done to convince the White citizens whom, in your grandpa's youth, participated in Jim Crow related activities? diner beatdowns, lynchings, burnings and other forms of terrorism?

      what should have Black people done about the police terrorism and White gang terrorism that led to the creation of the Black Panthers?

      what about when the CIA flooded the Black community with drugs? so short sighted in their goals that it backfired and ended up an epidemic all across America? renamed a "disease."

      everything Black people have done has been purely reactionary to the assaults that never actually stopped. so wtf are you talking about with your victim blaming? what stake do you even have in all of this? 

      you don't need to answer all of those rhetorical questions. I'm just putting things into perspective, because you sound ignorant as hell. I hope you don't tell rape victims the same thing.

      also, not ALL White people can be part of the conversation. there's a clear difference between those who want to move forward and the people who sound like Admiral.

      Many mistakes were made in the past. I will never deny that. 

      But the point is that those mistakes were in the PAST. Another big reason why we can't move forward together is that too many people keep harping on the mistakes of the past, generating more and more animosity and making dialogue impossible. I AM NOT saying we should forget them. We should remember and learn from them so we know how NOT to act. 

      Stop seeking vengeance and instead look for equality. Don't be chained by the past and let us all work together to make the future better for our children.
      CM_Short 1 hour ago#130
      White people are racist.

      More news at 11.
      GAMER_X 1 hour ago#131
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      White america doesn't like politically and socially active black people. Shocker


      politically and socially active =/= looting, destroying and burning down property and vehicles


      It was a degenerate movement for degenerate individuals from day 1
      "Dragon Age 2 was a train wreck the entire game, ME3 was like screaming rollercoaster that ran out of track and everyone died." -nIMr0D888
      Kineth 1 hour ago#132
      TheoryzC posted...
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      And that was 50 years ago, but hey, at least the percentage for whites has improved in that time.
      If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.
      Kineth 1 hour ago#133
      GAMER_X posted...
      FrisbeeDude posted...
      White america doesn't like politically and socially active black people. Shocker


      politically and socially active =/= looting, destroying and burning down property and vehicles


      It was a degenerate movement for degenerate individuals from day 1


      From day 1? No it wasn't. And you prove the point by clearly wanting nothing to do with engaging the actual arguments put forth and instead chose to cling to the selected soundbytes, narratives and news stories that fit your preconceived (i.e. completely fucking unjustified and terrible) notion about any black civil rights movements. People like you NEVER have anything positive to say in regards to the goals of the movements, but you can't wait to talk about all the shitty stuff you feel about it.
      If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply.
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