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My family originates from old England and I never considered myself the same 'race' as someone from Italy.
Somehow, in the last decade, a bunch of common denominators decided to simplify everything by joining all europeans into a federation of 'white people'. It is, in essence, one of the greatest forms of prejudice in the world today yet nobody cares because it's a non-issue to the average sane person. I just find it ironic that a liberal can point to an Irishman and then to an Italian and claim that they are the same exact thing, equally complicit in 'white guilt'.
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bigboyhowdy2 posted...
My family originates from old England and I never considered myself the same 'race' as someone from Italy. When, 'patriots' started to differentiate themselves from 'foreigners and immigrants'.
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i wouldnt call it bigoted. technically from a genetic stand point you can categorize human gene sets into 3 main categories. white, black and asian. then further categorize that white group into the individual nations such as italian, irish etc.
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I'm not sure why we call them "races" to begin with, when "human race" is a thing. We don't call different breeds of dog or cat "races", so it seems silly to me. Ethnicity is a different thing, but we're all still human. Same number of chromosomes and DNA make up.
This whole race thing is just stupid to me.
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No, Asian relates to being from the continent of Asia.
Hispanic relates to the language of Spanish. White people aren't called 'European' or 'English'.. They're specifically referred to by their skin color... (even though they don't necessarily have white skin). I remember growing up beside an Italian family and my family always referred to them as Italian. We never considered them the same race as us.
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lydiaquayle posted...
VeiledGenesis posted...We don't call different breeds of dog or cat "races", so it seems silly to me. I've never heard anyone call them the Mexican breed, or African breed.
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bigboyhowdy2 posted...
No, Asian relates to being from the continent of Asia. Your neighbors must have loved you...
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bigboyhowdy2 posted...
My family originates from old England and I never considered myself the same 'race' as someone from Italy. commonly when white nationalists refer to "whites" they mostly refer to "anglo/Nordic/Aryan". it's a whitewash attempt to create a "unified" basis of nationality
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I mean white is a very informal categorization, same way black is as well. On formal papers that ask for race, you don't see, "Asian [American], Hispanic, white". You see 'Caucasian'.
Italians, Swiss, Germans, etc all came from very similar backgrounds so their geneology is pretty similar. Same with Asians.
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shanefu22 posted...
bigboyhowdy2 posted...No, Asian relates to being from the continent of Asia. They did. We took turns cooking dinner for each other every week. Acknowledging that two groups of people are different and have different origins isn't wrong.
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RoyalDroneX posted...
bigboyhowdy2 posted...My family originates from old England and I never considered myself the same 'race' as someone from Italy. There constant ass licking of nations like Poland, Serbia and Russia makes me think they consider Slavs to be white as well.
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Basically, Americans from Western Europe wanted to differentiate themselves from 'darker' Europeans (Turkey, Slavic countries, and Muslim influenced areas), and Hispanics from Latin America, in order to make themselves seem more 'pure'. So 'whiteness' became a thing.
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Colorgraphics posted...
Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. sounds like she would fail hard in biology class then.
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Bond_543 posted...
Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. they never viewed themselves as "black". Tell me, would a Zulu and Bosnian claim they were the same?
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RoyalDroneX posted...
Bond_543 posted...Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. If they have any knowledge of the world outside their own experience, then they would most definitely know that they are black.. Also, the 'racist' Spaniards were dealing with the Moors burning their homes and raping/murdering their wives and children. Not to mention ransacking the 'holy land' and murdering any pilgrims who wanted to visit the location where their religious idol lived and died. So I think a little racism is justified under those circumstances.
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
Around the time the new world was settled and the transatlantic slave trade started. I thought this as well. The Europeans developed the label themselves to differentiate those of non-European descent. It shouldn't matter anyway. Why is everyone so obsessed with labels anyway?
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My family originates from old England and I never considered myself the same 'race' as someone from Italy.
To be fair, Italians (and E. Europeans) were not considered "white" until post-WWII. The Irish, up until the 1920's or so, were not considered to be white, either. Also, "white" was a bigger thing in the US in the 19th century than it was in Europe, where westerners were split by national and religious identity and the different nationalities tended to hate one another or be imperialist rivals. Further, in the US and Canada, many families lost/lose track of their lineage beyond 2 generations ago. The American liberals who point fingers and yell "white privilege" are referring to all whites because they are no longer "oppressed groups", and have not been for a long time, even though some groups have been privileged for up to a century longer than others. Ignorant ones count the Italians and E. Europeans as privileged but not the Chinese/Japanese due to ignorance. Italians, Chinese, and Japanese for the most part have not been oppressed for some time. The same cannot be said for blacks and various "brown people" groups.
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the concept of race goes back thousands of years.
i think even the Bible or some religious texts had some concepts of race. the word race was used maybe around the 1500s in the English language. I dont know when the term 'white' as a race came. I find the term is used more often by people in the Americas. places like US, Brazil, etc (although they have slightly difference views on what white is).
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also afaik the concept of white has changed in the US several times.
at first it was just English and Scots, then German then Irish then Italians and Poles. now some Hispanic mixed people can identify as white also even Arabic and Jews identify as white (on the US census).
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AmonAmarth posted...
the concept of race goes back thousands of years. I think it was more tribal. Like the Samaritans
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Colorgraphics posted...
Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. It was actually the British, not the spaniards. When they began conquering lands they referred to other peoples as "not white", funny enough to them only British and German could be white. |
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EliteC posted...
Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. Lmao Clearly you've never met the Irish.... seriously put one of us out in the sun.... like a goddamn fork in a microwave...
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AmonAmarth posted...
also afaik the concept of white has changed in the US several times. Somebody can identify as an attack helicopter But it's not gonna happen. I feel race is not about how one self identifies, but as how others perceive one |
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EliteC posted...Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. I know. But the brits had that idea, not me. |
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EliteC posted...
OffDogs posted...EliteC posted...Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. I know... just wanted to throw the joke in... seriously I wear pants like 99.999% of the time and if I wear shorts it's like I have knee high socks on.
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lydiaquayle posted...
Basically, Americans from Western Europe wanted to differentiate themselves from 'darker' Europeans (Turkey, Slavic countries, and Muslim influenced areas), and Hispanics from Latin America, in order to make themselves seem more 'pure'. So 'whiteness' became a thing. Not entirely accurate, given they also did not consider the Irish white at first. And if we really wish to go far back, Anglo-Saxons such as Benjamin Franklin didn't consider the Germans white.
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EliteC posted...
Colorgraphics posted...Race is a social construct. A black women from Africa would never consider herself as a black woman. She would just think herself as a women or a person. The racist Spaniards come up with the concept of race several hundreds of years ago which follows America and Latin America today. Not even the Germans. According to Benjamin Franklin: “[T]he Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.” Sauce: https://qz.com/904933/a-history-of-american-anti-immigrant-bias-starting-with-benjamin-franklins-hatred-of-the-germans/
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Not entirely accurate, given they also did not consider the Irish white at first. Well yeah, any new Immigrant isn't considered 'white' until they're not.
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The Irish particularly, who were enslaved by the British and many came here to get away from the state persecution. But social justice thinks in terms of stereotypes and that all white people = evil. In reality, it's governments that are wrong, not entire races.
The concept of "white privilege" is the bastard son produced by the wedding of Marxist class war and envy-based race war arguments. Naturally, I reject this ideology entirely. What we should do is talk about how to reduce poverty and lift people up, not tear people down.
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TaiIs82 posted...
What we should do is talk about how to reduce poverty and lift people up, not tear people down. Clearly the solution is more Reaganomics and tax cuts for the rich, right?
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TaiIs82 posted...
But social justice thinks in terms of stereotypes and that all white people = evil. In reality, it's governments that are wrong, not entire races. And the Irish took part in government and passed ant-immigrant policy after they settled down and grew roots.
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TaiIs82 posted...
What we should do is talk about how to reduce poverty and lift people up, not tear people down. Then blame Trump for tearing down Mexicans, blacks, Muslims, gays, women, trans, etc., etc., etc.
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Race really is a social construct. It's hard to wrap your brain around NOW, because it's like, all pervasive in everything. To really break it down, prior to "creating" race... it was more of a cultural thing than a skin color thing. Christians and Muslims weren't fighting over skin color or anything like that, but specifically over culture. Race slowly became a bigger idea to justify treatment of natives and slaves after the discovery of the New World, and then racialized slavery became a thing in the states, to work around the idea that Christians couldn't be slaves (after converting African slaves to Christianity) by making their RACE the thing that made them slaves, and they passed on their mother's status to the children, so owners can rape their slaves and produce more slaves. Keep in mind though, that racializing slavery was a reaction to Bacon's Rebellion, where slaves and white indentured servants alike banded together, so this was a way to keep something like that from happening again: by making african slaves, by virtue of blood, subservient to even the poorest white man
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bigboyhowdy2 posted...I just find it ironic that a liberal can point to an Irishman and then to an Italian and claim that they are the same exact thing, equally complicit in 'white guilt'.
wait, what? You're blaming liberals for the concept of "whiteness"?
it's just a weird accusation considering that the far-right takes pride in a white identity concept, and voluntarily embraces the concept of some Pan-European racial identity.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comJust to make something right:
"White" is not a race, just as "Black" or "Yellow" aren't. It is a simplified designation which explains why it is so typical for the US.
Others used the terms Caucasoid, Negroid (i wonder if an anthropological term is worth deleting / censoring) and Mongoloid.
When it comes to Irish, Arabs, Koreans, Ethiopeans etc. you are talking about Subraces or Ethnic groups depending on terminology.
"Whiteness" became a thing the moment a civilised culture met another morphologically different. Basically as old as our first cities...I haven't lost an arm, brother. It is right over there.
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No it isn't. Race is biological. Western liberals are literally the only people on the planet who believe race is a social construct and they only believe that when it suits their agenda. When white folks show any kind of racial pride, liberals say race is a social construct but when it's time to attack us for slavery or Jim Crow or for our privilege then it's a different story. When black men say white boys are weak, we can't jump, can't dance and have small dicks, suddenly race isn't a social construct anymore. White liberals and their minority allies say race is biological or social depending on which narrative they want to push at any given time.XxAxem_BlackxX posted...When white folks show any kind of racial pride, liberals say race is a social construct
well it kinda is. as others have said, an Englishman really isn't the same beast as an Italian, or a Dane, or a Russian. do you think they are?playing: Breath of the Wild / Arkham Knight
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When white folks show any kind of racial pride, liberals say race is a social construct
well it kinda is. as others have said, an Englishman really isn't the same beast as an Italian, or a Dane, or a Russian. do you think they are?
They're all racially European just as Nigerians, Jamaicans and Ugandans are all racially African.TaiIs82 posted...The Irish particularly, who were enslaved by the British and many came here to get away from the state persecution. But social justice thinks in terms of stereotypes and that all white people = evil. In reality, it's governments that are wrong, not entire races.
The concept of "white privilege" is the bastard son produced by the wedding of Marxist class war and envy-based race war arguments. Naturally, I reject this ideology entirely. What we should do is talk about how to reduce poverty and lift people up, not tear people down.
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