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White Privilege is a Myth, no matter what you believe

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kislev 5 hours ago#1
Railing against ‘white men’ and their cushy existences has become the stock-in-trade of many feminists.

Yet towards the end of 2015 it was revealed that there’s a social group in Britain more derided and less successful than pretty much every other social group. Guess who? Yep, young white men. Especially young working-class white men. A large sector of the group that the new identity-politics mob loves to ridicule for sailing through life unmolested and unchallenged is actually having a rough time.

Consider this: 18-year-old women are 35 percent more likely to attend university than 18-year-old men; and where 37 percent of black school-leavers go to university, only 28 percent of white school-leavers do. These stats were unveiled by UCAS in December, leading its chief executive to wonder if it isn’t time to initiate ‘outreach’ projects designed to get more white blokes into college.
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
ClayGuida 5 hours ago#2
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with
lolAmerica
kislev 5 hours ago#3
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Why do you hate White men so much?
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
andel 5 hours ago#4
there is a line between acknowledging privilege (which exists but is largely economic) and railing against white people. this is why people that focus on identity politics aren't really liberals, economic issues are the cause of a much bigger gap in privilege than race and it isn't even close
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ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Hey, you are just being mean now.


I am not White, but can you atleast admit that White girls are attractive?


Here is a chance for you to make someone happier, not sad.
Endgame 5 hours ago#6
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for my right to fight you to the death. -Stephen Colbert
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.


@Endgame Are you aware that this topic was made specifically because Clay keeps making those, "you privileged white folks" posts?


I am not White by the way
kislev 5 hours ago#8
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.


So you are just going to ignore all the problems white Eastern European men face?
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
young_flip 5 hours ago#9
Endgame posted...
But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

the anxiety white nationalists feel everyday they see a brown/black person on TV has somehow become more mainstream.
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kislev posted...
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


Why do you hate White men so much?


Because he's a fucking racist and should honestly be marked as such.
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Welcommatt 5 hours ago#11
White man here, two years out of college with a stem degree and a good job. 

Affirmative action literally never affected me or any of my peers negatively; I think anybody who complains about it probably just can't succeed on their own merit.
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PunkRockGiik 5 hours ago#12
andel posted...
there is a line between acknowledging privilege (which exists but is largely economic) and railing against white people. this is why people that focus on identity politics aren't really liberals, economic issues are the cause of a much bigger gap in privilege than race and it isn't even close

I agree that it's economic, but not that you can separate the two. Do you acknowledge that white people, due to their race, have accumulated much more generational wealth than black people?
Mirage13 5 hours ago#13
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.
Drunken_Idiot 5 hours ago#14
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with

So you're racist?
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.


Feminists would call you sexist. And modt guys just apologize after offending a feminist.
PunkRockGiik 5 hours ago#16
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.
Ivashanko 4 hours ago#17
So you are just going to ignore all the problems white Eastern European men face?


Honestly, in much of the world Eastern Europeans aren't treated as white and aren't considered as being white. Ive known some Americans who strongly, almost intolerantly believe that America's culture of race is the only possible one, and I've seen them really hurt people who they considered to be white when those people weren't seen as being white in the places they lived.
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?
Mirage13 4 hours ago#19
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.
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sedatedlife 4 hours ago#20
ClayGuida posted...
Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with

....
The worker of the world has nothing to lose, but their chains, workers of the world unite.
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PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#21
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault specifically because of how often it happens.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.
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Calintares 4 hours ago#24
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.
ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
AmonAmarth 4 hours ago#25
must resist posting the truth.
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Domestic assault from a Male Perspective? There is no way in hell I would report that. Having it known that I was abused by a woman..


In college, the female students explained, "no grown ass man will sit through an abusive relationship." Us guys are less likely to even get PITY.


And in many cases, you will almost always have a guy willing to save you. Fight for you. Us guys don't get that privilege.
Stuflames 4 hours ago#27
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
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Mirage13 4 hours ago#28
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.


Yep. Men don't often have the luxury of going to post-secondary school like women are. Hence, why women outnumber men in college attendance. Men are expected to go out and make money to support a family, if they want one. Whereas women have the luxury to attend school without the negative stigma of being taken care of or living at home while they are in school, if they choose too.

On a side note: don't even get me started on how women want to be equal to men in all walks of life except when it comes to romance. Women still expect the tradition of the man pursuing her, courting her and maintain the relationship since she won't do it. Otherwise, women will just ignore men. What happened to women being equal to men, huh?
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kislev 4 hours ago#29
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names
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Calintares 4 hours ago#30
kislev posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names


sure, Anglo-Saxon is more precise.
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Welcommatt 4 hours ago#31
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


Literally has been done multiple times. Does anybody want to defend this?
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InfiniteMick 4 hours ago#32
Endgame posted...
White straight male here.

I've never been discriminated against for being a white male in America.

.....But the prosecution complex I see from my fellow white male makes ME feeling discriminatory towards them.

When it finally does come to pass, you'll have no one else to blame but yourselves for annoying everyone else with your imaginary problems, turning them into reality.
I'll have sex with Capitalism as long as we're stranded together on a desert island, but after we're rescued I'm not giving him my number.
Crying about any kind of privilege is what has helped drive away rust belt voters away from Dems. I hope they keep it up. Maybe cry more about trans and islamophobia too. 

Unemployed steel and coal workers don't care about that shit.
MAGA.
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kislev 4 hours ago#34
Calintares posted...
kislev posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


When you say "white" name do you mean Anglo-Saxon? Becuase im oretty sure Sergei,Vitaly,Eau,jaromr,Ruslan and Stanislaus would still be rejected despite being "white" names


sure, Anglo-Saxon is more precise.


Glad you admit it, there is mkre to the White race then just Anglo-Saxons. White men from Eastern Europe face ALOT of discrimnation in Germany,France and England yet nobody pays attention to it. Men from East Europe are treated like thugs
We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


I live in New York. Have a job application where BLACKS are hiring. Do they hire "chinese, and whites" equally to how they would hire a fellow African American?


Whites aren't so privileged when they could get their race loudly discussed, even in schools, even if negatively. But it is justifiable because they are supposedly "privileged." Not just students... TEACHERS.


It isn't even treated as racism by the way, even though the reverse would. I am saying this as someone that isn't white.
@Mirage13 posted...
Yep. Men don't often have the luxury of going to post-secondary school like women are. Hence, why women outnumber men in college attendance. Men are expected to go out and make money to support a family, if they want one. Whereas women have the luxury to attend school without the negative stigma of being taken care of or living at home while they are in school, if they choose too.


I like how you're too fucking stupid to realize my point was that men are less likely to need to go to college because they can make a living without incurring the debt and lost eage time that college entails.

It really speaks to how seriously we should take your ilk.
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PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#37
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault specifically because of how often it happens.


Men are actually far, far more likely to be in violent attacks than women, where we just flat out die. Yes, domestic voilence is bad, yes rape is bad (though a lot of cases of rape are date rape), but bad things happen to good people and are still more likely to happen to men.

Laws are already in place to prevent these things, what more can be done? Men are literally several hundred percent more likely to be assaulted than a women.

We go our entire lives being threatened of assault and we get in several assaults through out our life, nearly none of which are wanted.



Bit I digress, being physically threatened nearly 100% of the time with physical assault and actually having to defend and expecting to defend others is certainly worse than women who go nearly their entire lives without a single physical altercation and them being "assaulted" is some ass hole at a club slapping their ass.

A guy at a club gets assaulted, it's usually ACTUAL assault, as in he'll try to smash beer bottles over your head, seen dudes try to shank each other with broken beer bottles too... But yeah, ass slap is pretty bad too I guess. 

Overall, society has already put literally all the possible steps in place to prevent all of these things to the best of our ability, but some are impossible to eliminate while a lot of the economic double standards are pretty much preventable.
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Welcommatt 4 hours ago#39
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


Oh, look, facts! I guess this argument will be over soon.
"Hodor" -Hodor
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
And how do these men fare job wise? If they don't need to go to college to achieve economic success, they'd be less likely to attend.

@Charismic_Zach_Gowen
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


I ask this because enough girls in college get that luxury. As for high paying male dominated jobs?


See the college courses many female studrnts take. Majors/Fields of Study. Discrimination often occurs, yes. But, is it possible that a smaller percentage of females are actually attempting to get into certain higher pay work fieldd?


I even attended a college where 70% of the population is female. Yet, there are certain courses where the female population as a whole just disappears.



Some sort if discrimination exists at any angke, but I doubt that is the main course of the male/female pay gap.
C0c0nuttz 4 hours ago#41
Lmao this is a denialist salt topic. 

Turns out I didn't need any seasoning for my lunch after all.
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EightySix22 4 hours ago#42
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


That's "majority privilege". People in Mexico are more likely to hire Hispanic sounding names than indian ones. People in Quebec are more likely to prefer a french sounding name than an Anglophone one. That's not racism, that's bias. Sure it's unfair treatment but it's not necessarily ill intended.
@thetruehedgehog posted...
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


Who are these mythical women not having to pay for college? And what numbers is this occurring in?

Also, its probably less likely because the number of available rich men vs available rich women is extremly disproportionate.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


@PunkRockGiik

So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT
PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#45
thetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.

You ignored my post completely. You're choosing something that just isn't likely to happen to anyone, and saying that because it happens more to men, men have it worse.
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
@thetruehedgehog posted...
Can I get a girlfriend or wife that is willing to pay for my college?


Who are these mythical women not having to pay for college? And what numbers is this occurring in?

@Charismic_Zach_Gowen

Mythical women? I can get the numbers, but it will be more fun to break it down slowly, and have you admit it first.



Things like Marriage, Divorce, finances, and College registration stats are logged. HOUSEWIVES, women's acceptance/intolerance of males less poorer than them, divorce statistics, Alimony statistics...


Obviously, non working housewives get their husbands to pay for their college, but... it would be more fun to say this slowly. To see how far you are willing to deny this 


You can probably get stats of guys getting a female RELATIVE to help pay for their college, but outside family, I could destroy you easily with this advantage women get.
EightySix22 posted...
Calintares posted...
Let's do a thought experiment.

Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

that right there is privilege.


That's "majority privilege". People in Mexico are more likely to hire Hispanic sounding names than indian ones. People in Quebec are more likely to prefer a french sounding name than an Anglophone one. That's not racism, that's bias. Sure it's unfair treatment but it's not necessarily ill intended.


Yes, and in America the majority is white, thus white privilege. No one ever claimed white privilege exists in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or shit like that.
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PunkRockGiik posted...
thetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Bthetruehedgehog posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


@PunkRockGiik

Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.

You ignored my post completely. You're choosing something that just isn't likely to happen to anyone, and saying that because it happens more to men, men have it worse.


He's doing it as well with his stupid sugar daddy college girl strawman. Nevermind that's like at best .001% of the female population. A handful of women have it good! Checkmate feminists!
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Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.

Most studies i have seen suggest women receive comparable pay to men, some a little more in certain fields, some a little less, with the same time and experience.

When a women leaves for childbirth or to raise children, she loses experience and then loses market value, as a man would.

This is fair. 


But more importantly, the biggest marker of the wage disparity between men and women regardless of profession is our society objectively puts more stress on men to get higher paying jobs, which is one of the main reasons men get more STEM degrees.

Ironically enough, I would argue media, which is essentially American culture, for the last 50 yrs has been pushing far harder for women intellectuals than it has for men.

Look at any modern representation from Freaks and Geeks all to the way to CW Flash and how "nerdy" people are portrayed, and nerdy girls are almost always portrayed as very attractive, well valued, with high value good looking partners, while nerdy male intellectuals are still often portrayed as short, unathletic, not good looking, outcasts, socially awkward, etc.

But men get STEM degrees anyways because we live in a society where you are far less likely to get a suitable partner without a high paying job than a women is.

Most men would love to date/marry a women doctor, but most women are less likely to be a doctor because honestly, why? Most good looking women don't need to take 7-8 yrs of school/residency to get a high value partner and that is a LOT of time/money invested in order to get something if there's little social incentive.


As long as society views and values men as providers, men will pretty much always be driven to earn more and continue to do so because good luck getting laid these days with a shit job as a dude in any major city.

Tl;Dr: Men make more on average because the average guy is simply much more financially driven than the average women. I go to networking events and talk too young people in college all the time and I can say from statistical experience this is 100% true. A lot of women go to college to get a job they "will love" while most men get a job that "will make them money."
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masher11 3 hours ago#50
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
PunkRockGiik posted...
Mirage13 posted...
Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


imagine using point 1's justification for point 6.

would destroy the wage gap myth.
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    thetruehedgehog posted...
    Obviously, non working housewives get their husbands to pay for their college, but... it would be more fun to say this slowly. To see how far you are willing to deny this


    So you're mad that women have to typically sacrifice their career in order to maintain the home? 

    Because i hate to break it to you but feminists have been in support of either gender staying home for decades. Not to mention, its the woman who typically stays home, not out of a desire to but because the male's earning potential is higher due to the gender gap that occurs even between the same job.
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    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#52
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.
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    Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Bthetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

    We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

    I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


    Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

    Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


    Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

    How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

    Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault because of how common it is.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Women are more likely to get sexual abuse, BUT LESS LIKELY TO BE KILLED, MURDERED, BRUTALIZED.


    See the United States Burea of Justice for details. If you are a woman, you have a higher chance of surviving... PERIOD.

    You ignored my post completely. You're choosing something that just isn't likely to happen to anyone, and saying that because it happens more to men, men have it worse.


    He's doing it as well with his stupid sugar daddy college girl strawman. Nevermind that's like at best .001% of the female population. A handful of women have it good! Checkmate feminists!


    Luckily @PunkRockGiik @Charismic_Zach_Gowen


    Luckily, we have the United States Bureau of Justice, the United States Census, as well as heavy Marriage/Divorce statistics, as well as female registration stats for college.


    I typed a long detailed message that google chrome deleted. A bit fustrated, by I could easily link. 0.0001% funny? Good thing government sites log so much.
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.


    The United States Bureau of Justice is ONLINE, on their official gov website. Men face more violence and killing to an extreme compared to women.


    I am giving you another chance to check the BOJ before I start linking. Then, I can move on to College statistics, officially logged anyway.


    Finally, I could move ob to Chivalry, and what would happened if the MEN that funded feminism and women's shelters didn't feel so kind hearted. But, first, we are on violence statistics
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#55
    masher11 posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

    We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

    I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


    So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

    I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

    1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
    2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
    3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
    4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
    5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
    6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


    imagine using point 1's justification for point 6.

    would destroy the wage gap myth.

    I said that women being seen as caregivers is both the reason they face negative discrimination in the workplace (as they will leave work to take care of their family) as well as positive discrimination in child custody cases (as they will spend more time taking care of their family). Do you deny this?
    Nicodaemos 4 hours ago#56
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    Luckily, we have the United States Bureau of Justice, the United States Census, as well as heavy Marriage/Divorce statistics, as well as female registration stats for college.


    I'm sure you also have the stats for men paying for their female partners' college education? 

    I'll take the links without the bold, please.
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    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#57
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.


    The United States Bureau of Justice is ONLINE, on their official gov website. Men face more violence and killing to an extreme compared to women.


    I am giving you another chance to check the BOJ before I start linking. Then, I can move on to College statistics, officially logged anyway.


    Finally, I could move ob to Chivalry, and what would happened if the MEN that funded feminism and women's shelters didn't feel so kind hearted. But, first, we are on violence statistics

    I have already seen the statistics dude. I have also watched the entire Red Pill movie, and debunked most of that. Nothing you say is going to surprise me. You may be surprised to find though that all of these numbers fare better for men in more feminist countries, though.
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    masher11 posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

    We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

    I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


    So you disagree that most court child custody cases are won by the mother, punishments of women committing the same crime as men are less severe, the existence of women shelters are an actual thing, most widely diseases known between the sexes are concentrated on women with events put on to help treat it, the existence of female events with men being banned from attending, when a woman is standing at the side of the road in distress people (usually men) are going to stop to help her whereas a man has to figure the problem out himself, women tend to get hired for jobs more often than men despite having the same qualities? Hell, look at social media like Facebook or Twitter. Who gets more social interaction between sexes when things are not going good: men or women? Here is a hint, it's not men.

    I could go on and on how easier women have it in our society than men.

    1. In most cases, there is mutual agreement on child custody. In the rest, court cases are often won by the mother because the mother usually spends more time with the child and can make a more compelling case to get the child. (Thanks patriarchy) 
    2. I don't dispute this one. But I think the problem is more nuanced than you're making it. This Institute says that most women in jail are single mothers; I could see that having an influence on jury sympathy. https://www.vera.org/publications/overlooked-women-and-jails-report
    3. Male shelters would be a thing too if men's groups spent as much time starting them as they did complaining about women.
    4. I don't see a problem with having a space specifically for women.
    5. When a women is standing at the side of the road, she is also more likely to be abducted, murdered, and even held hostages in a box for 7 years. Yes, this actually happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan . 
    6. Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.


    imagine using point 1's justification for point 6.

    would destroy the wage gap myth.

    I said that women being seen as caregivers is both the reason they face negative discrimination in the workplace (as they will leave work to take care of their family) as well as positive discrimination in child custody cases (as they will spend more time taking care of their family). Do you deny this?


    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.



    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.


    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to
    thetruehedgehog posted...

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    Which doesn't matter because a wage gap occurs between the genders in the same profession and backgrounds.
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    White privilege is not a myth and anybody who says it is, is just blatantly denying reality.

    That said, it's not exactly smart to blindly discriminate against whites (especially males) as a means of countering white privilege.
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    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.


    The United States Bureau of Justice is ONLINE, on their official gov website. Men face more violence and killing to an extreme compared to women.


    I am giving you another chance to check the BOJ before I start linking. Then, I can move on to College statistics, officially logged anyway.


    Finally, I could move ob to Chivalry, and what would happened if the MEN that funded feminism and women's shelters didn't feel so kind hearted. But, first, we are on violence statistics

    I have already seen the statistics dude. I have also watched the entire Red Pill movie, and debunked most of that. Nothing you say is going to surprise me. You may be surprised to find though that all of these numbers fare better for men in more feminist countries, though.


    I am speaking specifically about America. I want to deal with this feminist garbage quickly.


    Lets start with Gun Crime. Stabbings, shootings, and murders. The vast majority of the victims are male. True or false?

    I attended a New York City Public School that was frequently on the news, and listed as one of the top 5 most dangerous on the state. Crimes are logged anyway.

    Gun. Crime, shootings, killings, and stabbings had predominantly male victims. True or false? Death
    OffDogs 4 hours ago#62
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Bthetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Ironically, women have it so damn easy in life compared to men. Society is quick to help a woman in distress. If you are an adult male, well society pretty much tells you to go fuck yourself and leaves you to your own devices and abilities; whatever they are.

    We should replace "white male privilege" with "female privilege" in our industrialized culture.

    I disagree that women have it easier, but you're right that patriarchy hurts men too.


    Then debate that. I believe American females have it easier. @PunkRockGiik

    Less likely to be homeless, killed, and the US Bureau of Justice indicates that males prefer to destroy each other over females.


    Actually, I probably shouldn't debate this, as this kind of argument will end up offending someone. But, the word, Patriachy was used. I am in

    How exactly do women have it much harder OVERALL?

    Because the things you're describing, while more likely to happen to men, still aren't very likely to happen at all. In contrast, women justifiably fear rape, sexual abuse and/or domestic assault specifically because of how often it happens.

    6/1000?
    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, Back Blue
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    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#63
    MajesticFerret posted...
    Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.

    Most studies i have seen suggest women receive comparable pay to men, some a little more in certain fields, some a little less, with the same time and experience.

    When a women leaves for childbirth or to raise children, she loses experience and then loses market value, as a man would.

    This is fair. 


    But more importantly, the biggest marker of the wage disparity between men and women regardless of profession is our society objectively puts more stress on men to get higher paying jobs, which is one of the main reasons men get more STEM degrees.

    Ironically enough, I would argue media, which is essentially American culture, for the last 50 yrs has been pushing far harder for women intellectuals than it has for men.

    Look at any modern representation from Freaks and Geeks all to the way to CW Flash and how "nerdy" people are portrayed, and nerdy girls are almost always portrayed as very attractive, well valued, with high value good looking partners, while nerdy male intellectuals are still often portrayed as short, unathletic, not good looking, outcasts, socially awkward, etc.

    But men get STEM degrees anyways because we live in a society where you are far less likely to get a suitable partner without a high paying job than a women is.

    Most men would love to date/marry a women doctor, but most women are less likely to be a doctor because honestly, why? Most good looking women don't need to take 7-8 yrs of school/residency to get a high value partner and that is a LOT of time/money invested in order to get something if there's little social incentive.


    As long as society views and values men as providers, men will pretty much always be driven to earn more and continue to do so because good luck getting laid these days with a shit job as a dude in any major city.

    Tl;Dr: Men make more on average because the average guy is simply much more financially driven than the average women. I go to networking events and talk too young people in college all the time and I can say from statistical experience this is 100% true. A lot of women go to college to get a job they "will love" while most men get a job that "will make them money."

    The second part of your post is not what is being referred to when feminists discuss the wage gap. 

    The first part (the part you admitted as being true) is. You claim it is "fair" that it happens, which just shows how big the problem is: that even when the entire point of your post was to show that women are treated equally to men at work, you are arguing that they shouldn't be treated equally! 

    Patriarchy is harmful. If men and women were doing an equal amount of child care, women would not face discrimination at work.
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#64
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.


    The United States Bureau of Justice is ONLINE, on their official gov website. Men face more violence and killing to an extreme compared to women.


    I am giving you another chance to check the BOJ before I start linking. Then, I can move on to College statistics, officially logged anyway.


    Finally, I could move ob to Chivalry, and what would happened if the MEN that funded feminism and women's shelters didn't feel so kind hearted. But, first, we are on violence statistics

    I have already seen the statistics dude. I have also watched the entire Red Pill movie, and debunked most of that. Nothing you say is going to surprise me. You may be surprised to find though that all of these numbers fare better for men in more feminist countries, though.


    I am speaking specifically about America. I want to deal with this feminist garbage quickly.


    Lets start with Gun Crime. Stabbings, shootings, and murders. The vast majority of the victims are male. True or false?

    I attended a New York City Public School that was frequently on the news, and listed as one of the top 5 most dangerous on the state. Crimes are logged anyway.

    Gun. Crime, shootings, killings, and stabbings had predominantly male victims. True or false? Death

    Yes, that is true. But race is a greater indicator than sex -- black women are at higher risk than white men.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/06/us/around-the-nation-odds-of-being-murdered-are-1-in-133-study-says.html
    kislev 4 hours ago#65
    Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    Which doesn't matter because a wage gap occurs between the genders in the same profession and backgrounds.


    You have no proof
    We need a new Final Fantasy Tactics
    I live in a High-Crime state, so I get the extrene case of many things. In NYC, you will literally see violence/threats i the open, depending on what neighborhood/block you walk in.


    Obviously, if you see someone bleeding, or willing to hit someone on the train, the victim is 99% female.




    Using my own experience is not that relevant though, I rather use crime statistics. Ironically, male feminists here are probably more likely to be beaten up than a woman they defend, anyway.
    RyanBraun8 4 hours ago#67
    The bitching about how things have gotten tough for the white man is out of control. You all are the REAL SJW snowflakes. Life can be tough (ask Donnie). Wear a cup.
    Make America Great(ish) Again Impeach Donald "Snowflake" Trump
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    TheArcade 4 hours ago#68
    Your life is a myth TC.
    Greatest Shows of All Time.
    Avatar: The Last Airbender, SWAT Kats, Sailor Moon, Tetsuwan Atom 2K3, Transformers, Spiderfriends
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    So, female shelters are due to women standing around in groups?


    Female shelters, and much of feminism IS FUNDED BY MEN! You are rescued by chivalry.

    You, @PunkRockGiik are less likely to face homelessness than most of the guys here. Regardless of what economic/financial success you can bring up.


    If you even reported yourself as nearing homelessness at Gamefaqs, you could actually get guys here to donate or take care of you. Us guys don't have that luxuey.


    A woman standing at the side of the road is more likely to be abducted? @PunkRockGiik I am willing to bet $500 Paypal that most of us guys here faced more Physical Assault or violence than you EVER did.


    Especially those of us guys attending Public Schools here in New York. If you are to be abducted in public, 99% of the time, a male witness will try to rescue you, unless it is late night or something.


    Gangs, street thugs, normally assault males in BROAD DAYLIGHT


    I don't get your point about women's shelters being funded by men. If your point is that men hold the majority of positions of power and women have to to go through them, then yeah, I agree. But it has been a long battle that women had to fight hard for. (If you think it was chivalry, I don't think you have a firm grasp of history.)

    She didn't know she was being abducted. She was hitchhiking, they brought her to an isolated area, put a knife around her neck, placed her in a wooden box for the next 7 years, and used her as a sex slave.

    Also, I am a man. I am a feminist because patriarchy makes all of the issues you're describing even worse for men, and men do better on ALL of these statistics in countries that are more feminist.


    The United States Bureau of Justice is ONLINE, on their official gov website. Men face more violence and killing to an extreme compared to women.


    I am giving you another chance to check the BOJ before I start linking. Then, I can move on to College statistics, officially logged anyway.


    Finally, I could move ob to Chivalry, and what would happened if the MEN that funded feminism and women's shelters didn't feel so kind hearted. But, first, we are on violence statistics

    I have already seen the statistics dude. I have also watched the entire Red Pill movie, and debunked most of that. Nothing you say is going to surprise me. You may be surprised to find though that all of these numbers fare better for men in more feminist countries, though.


    I am speaking specifically about America. I want to deal with this feminist garbage quickly.


    Lets start with Gun Crime. Stabbings, shootings, and murders. The vast majority of the victims are male. True or false?

    I attended a New York City Public School that was frequently on the news, and listed as one of the top 5 most dangerous on the state. Crimes are logged anyway.

    Gun. Crime, shootings, killings, and stabbings had predominantly male victims. True or false? Death

    Yes, that is true. But race is a greater indicator than sex -- black women are at higher risk than white men.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/06/us/around-the-nation-odds-of-being-murdered-are-1-in-133-study-says.html


    @PunkRockGiik

    I am not white. I really want to make this clear early. You can guess my race, i won't confirm
    ClayGuida 4 hours ago#70
    When a joke topic gets a 2nd page. 

    Lmfao
    lolAmerica
    EightySix22 4 hours ago#71
    The_Undying_84 posted...
    EightySix22 posted...
    Calintares posted...
    Let's do a thought experiment.

    Imagine you submitted two identical job application where the only difference was that one had a typical "white" name and the other had a typical "nonwhite" name.

    which do you think has the better chance of being invited to an interview?

    Actually, you don't have to do the thought experiment, this experiment has been performed multiple times and it consistently show that all else being equal, the "white" person is more likely to get better treatment.

    that right there is privilege.


    That's "majority privilege". People in Mexico are more likely to hire Hispanic sounding names than indian ones. People in Quebec are more likely to prefer a french sounding name than an Anglophone one. That's not racism, that's bias. Sure it's unfair treatment but it's not necessarily ill intended.


    Yes, and in America the majority is white, thus white privilege. No one ever claimed white privilege exists in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or shit like that.


    Gosh, you're not very bright, are you ? There's no white privilege in Pakistan because the majority is brown. It doesn't mean they belittle you, just that they will stick to familiarity over unknown. It's not racism, race supremacy or anything. I cannot stress this enough: it's not privilege, it's "bias". The majority of people shot by police are white, the majority on welfare/ food stamps is white, the majority who gets drafted for pointless war is white. You don't get anything simply because of your skin color. If we were to still talk about privilege, maybe you should be mad at the Indians, the Jews, the Asians, the Nigerians: they are better educated, with better jobs and better salaries than your average white guy. If you seriously want to take down the privileged groups, start at the top.
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#72
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.
    Ellesarien 4 hours ago#73
    I mean....aren't all universal truths discovered and verified via....GAMEFAQS!!!
    I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
    @PunkRockGiik


    Bringing up race?

    The United States Bureau of Justice also reports RACIAL VIOLENCE. Detailing that comes off as "racism," but..


    High violent crime rates from a certain ethnicity... does... not a good subject to discuss without being vilified. There is alot to say about "race" related violent crime, but the facts are too controversial.


    Do you also plan to state that most police are simply biased against a particular race?
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#76
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    @PunkRockGiik


    Bringing up race?

    The United States Bureau of Justice also reports RACIAL VIOLENCE. Detailing that comes off as "racism," but..


    High violent crime rates from a certain ethnicity... does... not a good subject to discuss without being vilified. There is alot to say about "race" related violent crime, but the facts are too controversial.


    Do you also plan to state that most police are simply biased against a particular race?

    "I'm not racist... but..."
    Sensual_T_Rex 4 hours ago#77
    I say who cares. Let the weak betas of the world complain about how unfair the world is. Let them stack the deck in their favor to give them an edge and still continue to fail at their lives. Let them see others achieve their dreams with hard work and determination why they slowly march into the grey wastes with the rest of the forgotten dead. The only thing holding anyone back in this day and age is the person in question. I'm not here to make your life better. I'm here to make me and my loved ones life better and if don't like that then tuff because I don't care about your weak ass.
    Babylon ah mosh up the sea and fear him da Rasta mon.
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#78
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.

    It's a patriarchy issue. 

    From wikipedia:

    "Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women.[37] It often includes any social, political, or economic mechanism that evokes male dominance over women. Feminist theory typically characterizes patriarchy as a social construction, which can be overcome by revealing and critically analyzing its manifestations.[38]

    The sexual partition of society creates organizational restrictions on the actions, effort, and ambitions of females. Patriarchal structures are well-kept-up through matrimony, the sexual disunion of employment and the social order, and family. Some argue that the complete patriarchal organization should be overturned, especially the family, which they see as the beginning stages of female oppression. The family not only serves as a representative of the greater civilization by pushing its own affiliates to change and obey, but performs as a component in the rule of the patriarchal state that rules its inhabitants with the head of the family. [39]
    (edited 4 hours ago)quote
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.


    This practice is followed by both men, AND WOMEN bosses. I know women that run a business that would react in a certain way if a newly hired employee was planning to have kids soon.


    If Gender Roles reversed, and men would just take time off to take care of kids' when their wife worked, things would reverse. But, males with low finances arestatistically less successful with marriage.


    Males will continue to try and keep the finances to support their relationship, while women DO statistically take more time off. 
    But taking time off, they have a man to save them from homelessness. 



    This would NOT be an iss
    PunkRockGiik 4 hours ago#80
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.


    This practice is followed by both men, AND WOMEN bosses. I know women that run a business that would react in a certain way if a newly hired employee was planning to have kids soon.


    If Gender Roles reversed, and men would just take time off to take care of kids' when their wife worked, things would reverse. But, males with low finances arestatistically less successful with marriage.


    Males will continue to try and keep the finances to support their relationship, while women DO statistically take more time off. 
    But taking time off, they have a man to save them from homelessness. 



    This would NOT be an iss

    This is actually the point I am making. See above the definition of patriarchy. Here's the third paragraph of that definition, which I deleted because it was getting lengthy, but says what you are saying:

    "Many feminists (especially scholars and activists) have called for culture repositioning as a method for deconstructing patriarchy. Culture repositioning relates to culture change. It involves the reconstruction of the cultural concept of a society.[40] Prior to the widespread use of "patriarchy", feminists used the terms "male chauvinism" and "sexism" to refer roughly to the same phenomenon.[41] Author bell hooks argues that the new term identifies the ideological system itself (that men are inherently dominant or superior to women) that can be believed and acted upon by either men or women, whereas the earlier terms imply only men act as oppressors of women. This statement is critical in understanding the beliefs of the vast majority of feminists; believing and/or preaching otherwise only adds to the oppression of the patriarchy, and extends the length of its domain. [41]"
    (edited 4 hours ago)quote
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.


    This practice is followed by both men, AND WOMEN bosses. I know women that run a business that would react in a certain way if a newly hired employee was planning to have kids soon.


    If Gender Roles reversed, and men would just take time off to take care of kids' when their wife worked, things would reverse. But, males with low finances arestatistically less successful with marriage.


    Males will continue to try and keep the finances to support their relationship, while women DO statistically take more time off. 
    But taking time off, they have a man to save them from homelessness. 



    This would NOT be an iss

    (Continued)

    This would not be an issue if a larger portion of females NATURALLY wanted those positions in the first place. In College, a large portion of women take Majors/Courses that would land them even LOWER salaries than the jobs that supposedly "pay less" anyway.


    These statistics are LOGGED anyway. If in College, why not ASK or Survey the women who would 90% tell you that they are simply not interested in those workfields, PERIOD.
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#82
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.


    This practice is followed by both men, AND WOMEN bosses. I know women that run a business that would react in a certain way if a newly hired employee was planning to have kids soon.


    If Gender Roles reversed, and men would just take time off to take care of kids' when their wife worked, things would reverse. But, males with low finances are statistically less successful with marriage.


    Males will continue to try and keep the finances to support their relationship, while women DO statistically take more time off. 
    But taking time off, they have a man to save them from homelessness. 



    This would NOT be an iss

    (Continued)

    This would not be an issue if a larger portion of females NATURALLY wanted those positions in the first place. In College, a large portion of women take Majors/Courses that would land them even LOWER salaries than the jobs that supposedly "pay less" anyway.


    These statistics are LOGGED anyway. If in College, why not ASK or Survey the women who would 90% tell you that they are simply not interested in those workfields, PERIOD.

    Again, that's not the problem being referred to when the wage gap is discussed. This is just an lazy strawmen.
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    MajesticFerret posted...
    Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.

    Most studies i have seen suggest women receive comparable pay to men, some a little more in certain fields, some a little less, with the same time and experience.

    When a women leaves for childbirth or to raise children, she loses experience and then loses market value, as a man would.

    This is fair. 

    But men get STEM degrees anyways because we live in a society where you are far less likely to get a suitable partner without a high paying job than a women is.

    Most men would love to date/marry a women doctor, but most women are less likely to be a doctor because honestly, why? Most good looking women don't need to take 7-8 yrs of school/residency to get a high value partner and that is a LOT of time/money invested in order to get something if there's little social incentive.

    The second part of your post is not what is being referred to when feminists discuss the wage gap. 

    The first part (the part you admitted as being true) is. You claim it is "fair" that it happens, which just shows how big the problem is: that even when the entire point of your post was to show that women are treated equally to men at work, you are arguing that they shouldn't be treated equally! 

    Patriarchy is harmful. If men and women were doing an equal amount of child care, women would not face discrimination at work.


    Wrong and more wrong.

    Most feminists list the overarching statistic of men on average making more than women on average, which is what my entire second half of post addresses.

    As for the first post, explain to me how someone with more experience should earn less than someone with less? It's not employers problem that some women are less career driven than men and quit their jobs and have babies.

    Women who don't have children and continue to be career driven, like men, make as much if not on average MORE than their male counterpart.
    Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit.
    ClayGuida 3 hours ago#84
    I wonder how many people denying this also deny racism and climate change. I'm going to assume 100%.

    You can tell right wingers so easily.
    lolAmerica
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    I wouldn't say it's a myth. In general white people have it better than blacks in America at least on the surface. I'm less likely to be discriminated against when it comes to employment, housing, socially (such as people avoiding me on the street) and I won't be racially profiled by the police. I would argue though that there are legitimate reasons why this happens that go beyond simple prejudice against skin color. For example if you were to ask employers why they tend to not hire people with Hispanic or black sounding names they would probably tell you it's because they've had bad experiences working with people from these groups, and the reason police racially profile minorities is because they are more likely to commit crimes. It's unfair for the majority who don't represent these negative stereotypes, but there's a reason the stereotypes exist.
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#86
    MajesticFerret posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    MajesticFerret posted...
    Men are doing overwhelmingly better economically than women. They are more likely to be given raises and promotions because they are seen as less likely to need to leave work for pregnancy or to raise children.

    Most studies i have seen suggest women receive comparable pay to men, some a little more in certain fields, some a little less, with the same time and experience.

    When a women leaves for childbirth or to raise children, she loses experience and then loses market value, as a man would.

    This is fair. 

    But men get STEM degrees anyways because we live in a society where you are far less likely to get a suitable partner without a high paying job than a women is.

    Most men would love to date/marry a women doctor, but most women are less likely to be a doctor because honestly, why? Most good looking women don't need to take 7-8 yrs of school/residency to get a high value partner and that is a LOT of time/money invested in order to get something if there's little social incentive.

    The second part of your post is not what is being referred to when feminists discuss the wage gap. 

    The first part (the part you admitted as being true) is. You claim it is "fair" that it happens, which just shows how big the problem is: that even when the entire point of your post was to show that women are treated equally to men at work, you are arguing that they shouldn't be treated equally! 

    Patriarchy is harmful. If men and women were doing an equal amount of child care, women would not face discrimination at work.


    Wrong and more wrong.

    Most feminists list the overarching statistic of men on average making more than women on average, which is what my entire second half of post addresses.

    As for the first post, explain to me how someone with more experience should earn less than someone with less? It's not employers problem that some women are less career driven than men and quit their jobs and have babies.

    Women who don't have children and continue to be career driven, like men, make as much if not on average MORE than their male counterpart.

    I find the "feminists" who use the wage gap without going into detail about how it still exists even with those other variables being equal, are usually the ones that aren't really that into feminist issues and are just using it as a bumper sticker slogan to win women over. I have no interest in defending them.

    And discrimination against women at work is a problem because not all women "quit their jobs and have babies", but that stereotype still hurts the women who are committed to their job.
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    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Women face no more discrimination in a male dominated workplace than males at a female dominated one.

    This will go back to the "racism" discussion, similar to the "it isn't racist if he is white" statistics. There are simply more male run companies than female owned businesses, so you may be able to pick more male examples.

    But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


    That didn't answer my question. Are women seen as less desirable to employers because they are more likely to take time off of work for family? Yes or no.


    @PunkRockGiik

    Yes, that plays a major role in the Wage Gap.

    It also depends on the type of job. That is less of a MISOGYNY issue, and more of an economic reason. Like why certain places charge males more.


    This "take time off of work," as well as "HealthCare differences" between males and females affect pay equality via accomodations.


    This practice is followed by both men, AND WOMEN bosses. I know women that run a business that would react in a certain way if a newly hired employee was planning to have kids soon.


    If Gender Roles reversed, and men would just take time off to take care of kids' when their wife worked, things would reverse. But, males with low finances are statistically less successful with marriage.


    Males will continue to try and keep the finances to support their relationship, while women DO statistically take more time off. 
    But taking time off, they have a man to save them from homelessness. 



    This would NOT be an iss

    This is actually the point I am making. See above the definition of patriarchy. Here's the third paragraph of that definition, which I deleted because it was getting lengthy, but says what you are saying:

    "Many feminists (especially scholars and activists) have called for culture repositioning as a method for deconstructing patriarchy. Culture repositioning relates to culture change. It involves the reconstruction of the cultural concept of a society.[40] Prior to the widespread use of "patriarchy", feminists used the terms "male chauvinism" and "sexism" to refer roughly to the same phenomenon.[41] Author bell hooks argues that the new term identifies the ideological system itself (that men are inherently dominant or superior to women) that can be believed and acted upon by either men or women, whereas the earlier terms imply only men act as oppressors of women. This statement is critical in understanding the beliefs of the vast majority of feminists; believing and/or preaching otherwise only adds to the oppression of the patriarchy, and extends the length of its domain. [41]"


    @PunkRockGiik

    Men are "dominant" to women financially when Men that are weaker or less financially successful are rejected, or considered "out of their league."



    Me, spending a large amount of cash/Stress to help a girl is less unusual than Vice Versa. 


    It is a common meme or "joke" for a woman to say a guy is "too broke" for her. You can call it Patriachy, I call it males being Cucks or submissive.

    @PunkRockGiik if you were a female, I am betting you could get people here to donate money to you if you were going homeless. If @ClayGuida claimed he was poor, let him be. If you were female, you could get a guy willing to take you in. Survive
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#88
    @PunkRockGiik

    Men are "dominant" to women financially when Men that are weaker or less financially successful are rejected, or considered "out of their league."



    Me, spending a large amount of cash/Stress to help a girl is less unusual than Vice Versa.


    It is a common meme or "joke" for a woman to say a guy is "too broke" for her. You can call it Patriachy, I call it males being Cucks or submissive.

    . @PunkRockGiik if you were a female, I am betting you could get people here to donate money to you if you were going homeless. If @ClayGuida claimed he was poor, let him be. If you were female, you could get a guy willing to take you in. Survive


    I agree that it sucks (for both men and women) that women are reliant on men to be successful. Let's fight patriarchy and change that.
    @PunkRockGiik

    Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


    You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


    If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



    I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#90
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


    You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


    If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



    I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

    Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.
    XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
    I wouldn't say it's a myth. In general white people have it better than blacks in America at least on the surface. I'm less likely to be discriminated against when it comes to employment, housing, socially (such as people avoiding me on the street) and I won't be racially profiled by the police. I would argue though that there are legitimate reasons why this happens that go beyond simple prejudice against skin color. For example if you were to ask employers why they tend to not hire people with Hispanic or black sounding names they would probably tell you it's because they've had bad experiences working with people from these groups, and the reason police racially profile minorities is because they are more likely to commit crimes. It's unfair for the majority who don't represent these negative stereotypes, but there's a reason the stereotypes exist.


    With all due respect, how TF would u even know?

    This is why white SJWism needs to die, you probably have no black friends and have no idea what it's like to be black.

    I have several black friends, luckily they dress well, have good resumes, don't talk like thugs, and people actually gravitate towards them, let alone run away. Zero problems getting and holding jobs.


    People are not scared of black people, people are scared of thug culture, which is this incredibly stupid sub culture that a handful of AA youth decided to gravitate too.

    And honestly, if you dress like a duck, and talk like a duck, you will be treated like a duck, so why some black people are surprised when they dress like a thug and talk like a thug, they get profiled as a thug, is beyond logic.

    Just don't dress like a thug, which is basically criminal culture, and you won't get profiled as a criminal. For the record, white people with a shit load of tattoos, piercings, bandanas, that walk around wearing wife beater muscle shirts usually get similar profiling.
    Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit.
    I met a friend of a friend's last week who happens to be black. He manages a hedge fund or something of that nature.

    How come all whites arent doing better than him if white privilege is such an established fact?

    MajesticFerret posted...
    Just don't dress like a thug, which is basically criminal culture, and you won't get profiled as a criminal. For the record, white people with a shit load of tattoos, piercings, bandanas, that walk around wearing wife beater muscle shirts usually get similar profiling.



    Exactly. People like to pretend the Hell's Angels would all be offered positions at Goldman Sachs or Jones Day just for being white, over qualified black candidates.
    MAGA.
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    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


    There is no wage gap. Men earn more money because of their choice to prioritize their career whereas women don't, and women generally want to leave work to take care of their children at home while men typically don't. There's nothing stopping people from doing what they want and nobody is forcing gender roles onto them. People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy.
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#94
    XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


    There is no wage gap. Men earn more money because of their choice to prioritize their career whereas women don't, and women generally want to leave work to take care of their children at home while men typically don't. There's nothing stopping people from doing what they want and nobody is forcing gender roles onto them. People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy.

    You can't say there is no wage gap and then in the next sentence explain why the wage gap exists.

    As for "nobody is being forced into gender roles", I want to live in the world you live in. As a man, I feel trapped in my gender role every day.
    MajesticFerret posted...
    With all due respect, how TF would u even know?


    Because there are studies showing that people with ethnic sounding names like Laquishria have a tougher time getting hired than people with white sounding names like Ashley, and that minorities are more likely to be profiled by the police. I'm arguing that there are legitimate reasons why this happens that go beyond simple prejudice.

    I'm not an SJW by the way. I'm very strongly against multiculturalism and feminism.
    PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#96
    TheHonorableOne posted...

    I met a friend of a friend's last week who happens to be black. He manages a hedge fund or something of that nature.

    How come all whites arent doing better than him if white privilege is such an established fact?

    Just want to point out that there were slaves who went on to be successful, and who whites used as examples for other slaves just not trying hard enough. The ability to be successful says nothing about privilege. Bad argument is bad and you should feel bad.
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    PunkRockGiik posted...
    thetruehedgehog posted...
    @PunkRockGiik

    Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


    You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


    If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



    I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

    Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


    @PunkRockGiik

    It does not matter if more men "want" to stay home.


    That defeats much of their romantic success with women. Another failed housedad marriage.

    Women may, "want" to work, but the vast majority of them don't want those certain specific high paying male dominated jobs. Naturally unappealing.


    Else, so many guys would not see the need to lie about their salary. That is just the way it is. I don't lie about my salary, I just give the, "you don't have to work, I can get that for you" thing.

    (Example)
    All of these things factor into the Wage Gap. I fall in love, but she is a good job, so obviously I need to catch up with her to be in her league... but I have no problem giving her "no reason to work."


    The Wage Gap is also affected by the number of Males willing to Buy into Relationships. The Wage Gap is Overall due to Natural Human Nature.
    PunkRockGiik posted...
    Just want to point out that there were slaves who went on to be successful, and who whites used as examples for other slaves just not trying hard enough


    lol, comparing slavery to the US in 2017. ok.
    MAGA.
    mad_hax_man 3 hours ago#99
    I like how what could have been a nuanced, mature and useful conversation about people of different sexes face different problems in a society fill of strict gender norms has just become a passing match
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    PunkRockGiik posted...
    You can't say there is no wage gap and then in the next sentence explain why the wage gap exists.

    As for "nobody is being forced into gender roles", I want to live in the world you live in. As a man, I feel trapped in my gender role every day.


    The wage gap is the feminist belief that women are paid a lower wage than men simply because they are women. This isn't true. Women earn less money because of their own life choices that nobody forces onto them.

    As for your comment about being "forced into your gender role", nobody is forcing you into it. Social pressure isn't the same thing as force.
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      PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#101
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      @PunkRockGiik

      Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


      You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


      If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



      I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

      Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


      @PunkRockGiik

      It does not matter if more men "want" to stay home.


      That defeats much of their romantic success with women. Another failed housedad marriage.

      Women may, "want" to work, but the vast majority of them don't want those certain specific high paying male dominated jobs. Naturally unappealing.


      Else, so many guys would not see the need to lie about their salary. That is just the way it is. I don't lie about my salary, I just give the, "you don't have to work, I can get that for you" thing.

      (Example)
      All of these things factor into the Wage Gap. I fall in love, but she is a good job, so obviously I need to catch up with her to be in her league... but I have no problem giving her "no reason to work."


      The Wage Gap is also affected by the number of Males willing to Buy into Relationships. The Wage Gap is Overall due to Natural Human Nature.


      You haven't explained how its due to human nature.
      PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#102
      XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      You can't say there is no wage gap and then in the next sentence explain why the wage gap exists.

      As for "nobody is being forced into gender roles", I want to live in the world you live in. As a man, I feel trapped in my gender role every day.


      The wage gap is the feminist belief that women are paid a lower wage than men simply because they are women. This isn't true. Women earn less money because of their own life choices that nobody forces onto them.

      As for your comment about being "forced into your gender role", nobody is forcing you into it. Social pressure isn't the same thing as force.

      A women who chooses to work will still face the discrimination of being more likely to leave and focus on her family, even if she does not. So yes, the discrimination she faces is still entirely due to her being a woman.

      As for the gender roles thing, you're moving the goalposts. This is what you initially said, and this is what I am replying to: "People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy." I was telling you that is not true.
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      Nicodaemos 3 hours ago#103
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      You haven't explained how its due to human nature.


      It's DUE to HUMAN NATURE

      Did that help?
      Until you spread your wings, you'll never know how far you can walk.
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      @PunkRockGiik

      Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


      You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


      If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



      I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

      Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


      @PunkRockGiik

      It does not matter if more men "want" to stay home.


      That defeats much of their romantic success with women. Another failed housedad marriage.

      Women may, "want" to work, but the vast majority of them don't want those certain specific high paying male dominated jobs. Naturally unappealing.


      Else, so many guys would not see the need to lie about their salary. That is just the way it is. I don't lie about my salary, I just give the, "you don't have to work, I can get that for you" thing.

      (Example)
      All of these things factor into the Wage Gap. I fall in love, but she is a good job, so obviously I need to catch up with her to be in her league... but I have no problem giving her "no reason to work."


      The Wage Gap is also affected by the number of Males willing to Buy into Relationships. The Wage Gap is Overall due to Natural Human Nature.


      You haven't explained how its due to human nature.


      So, what do I explain? Evidence of more women looking for guys with higher pay, and those weaker/poorer to be substandard?


      Crashing Housedad relationships that so intolerance?


      Or, the fact that rich guys like Donald Trumo, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods acknowkedge fully well that their women want them for their money, and they are "fine" with it?



      Should I explain the natural human nature of more men knowingly buying into relationships? Effectively removing significant NECESSITIES for women to work?

      Which part?
      I can't believe there are people who can fall for such shitty misleading propaganda

      the United States is white privilege 

      white privilege is the United States
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      PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#106
      TheHonorableOne posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      Just want to point out that there were slaves who went on to be successful, and who whites used as examples for other slaves just not trying hard enough


      lol, comparing slavery to the US in 2017. ok.

      No, just showing how the ability to be successful does not mean you are equal. Somebody could theoretically win a race if their starting line was farther away, but that doesn't mean the competition is fair.
      axelfooley2k5 posted...
      I can't believe there are people who can fall for such shitty misleading propaganda

      the United States is white privilege 

      white privilege is the United States


      What about Asian Americans. Do you consider them privileged?
      kislev posted...
      Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...

      But, I can go back to College discussions, and the type of job fields most women don't apply to


      Which doesn't matter because a wage gap occurs between the genders in the same profession and backgrounds.


      You have no proof


      https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/news/2015/04/14/110959/how-the-gender-wage-gap-differs-by-occupation/

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      PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#109
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      @PunkRockGiik

      Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


      You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


      If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



      I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

      Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


      @PunkRockGiik

      It does not matter if more men "want" to stay home.


      That defeats much of their romantic success with women. Another failed housedad marriage.

      Women may, "want" to work, but the vast majority of them don't want those certain specific high paying male dominated jobs. Naturally unappealing.


      Else, so many guys would not see the need to lie about their salary. That is just the way it is. I don't lie about my salary, I just give the, "you don't have to work, I can get that for you" thing.

      (Example)
      All of these things factor into the Wage Gap. I fall in love, but she is a good job, so obviously I need to catch up with her to be in her league... but I have no problem giving her "no reason to work."


      The Wage Gap is also affected by the number of Males willing to Buy into Relationships. The Wage Gap is Overall due to Natural Human Nature.


      You haven't explained how its due to human nature.


      So, what do I explain? Evidence of more women looking for guys with higher pay, and those weaker/poorer to be substandard?


      Crashing Housedad relationships that so intolerance?


      Or, the fact that rich guys like Donald Trumo, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods acknowkedge fully well that their women want them for their money, and they are "fine" with it?



      Should I explain the natural human nature of more men knowingly buying into relationships? Effectively removing significant NECESSITIES for women to work?

      Which part?

      The part where you prove this is biological and not environmental.
      SaikyoStyle 3 hours ago#110
      I've never seen so much white privilege gathered in one topic before.
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      Chronofan8 3 hours ago#111
      not a single senator in the history of the united states, has been white
      mad_hax_man 3 hours ago#112
      SaikyoStyle posted...
      I've never seen so much white privilege gathered in one topic before.


      What about a Trump rally
      "Hey bridesmaid, love the beard! Give's me something to hang onto!!"- Lord Flasheart
      Tomboyish females are born that way, anyway. The girls that behave similarly to males, and ignore gender stereotypes/roles.


      Like flamboyant males, it is not so much that they, "overcame oppression," to behave the way they do, there are some hormonal differences and biological blahblahblah.


      In most cases, Males and Females naturally behave different. There are just certain behaviors or interests males/females are more likely to do than the opposite sex.
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      @PunkRockGiik

      Men and women WON'T do the same for Child Care, because Men and Women tend to be different.


      You risk taking FREEDOM for the sake of feminism. If there are more women than men willing to stay at home and raise kids, so be it.


      If more women find it unattractive for a man to stay home and raise kids, so be it. That is what they don't like.



      I don't want kids, NEVER plan to have any. HOWEVER, If my love interest wants to stay at home and raise kids while I fund her, so be it. That is just the way it is

      Studies show that men want to spend less time at work and more time with their kids, and that women want to have more career options. It doesn't necessarily need to be exactly equal, but to say that gender roles don't play a part in how unequal it is right now I don't think is accurate. In countries where men take more paternity leave, the wage gap between men and women is lower.


      @PunkRockGiik

      It does not matter if more men "want" to stay home.


      That defeats much of their romantic success with women. Another failed housedad marriage.

      Women may, "want" to work, but the vast majority of them don't want those certain specific high paying male dominated jobs. Naturally unappealing.


      Else, so many guys would not see the need to lie about their salary. That is just the way it is. I don't lie about my salary, I just give the, "you don't have to work, I can get that for you" thing.

      (Example)
      All of these things factor into the Wage Gap. I fall in love, but she is a good job, so obviously I need to catch up with her to be in her league... but I have no problem giving her "no reason to work."


      The Wage Gap is also affected by the number of Males willing to Buy into Relationships. The Wage Gap is Overall due to Natural Human Nature.


      You haven't explained how its due to human nature.


      So, what do I explain? Evidence of more women looking for guys with higher pay, and those weaker/poorer to be substandard?


      Crashing Housedad relationships that so intolerance?


      Or, the fact that rich guys like Donald Trumo, Michael Jordan, and Tiger Woods acknowkedge fully well that their women want them for their money, and they are "fine" with it?



      Should I explain the natural human nature of more men knowingly buying into relationships? Effectively removing significant NECESSITIES for women to work?

      Which part?

      The part where you prove this is biological and not environmental.


      Sure. I will start off by pointing this out

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/11/021112075626.htm

      @PunkRockGiik
      PunkRockGiik 3 hours ago#115
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      Tomboyish females are born that way, anyway. The girls that behave similarly to males, and ignore gender stereotypes/roles.


      Like flamboyant males, it is not so much that they, "overcame oppression," to behave the way they do, there are some hormonal differences and biological blahblahblah.


      In most cases, Males and Females naturally behave different. There are just certain behaviors or interests males/females are more likely to do than the opposite sex.

      I am not saying that there are no biological differences. I am saying that those biological differences do not justify the rigid gender roles we place people into and that societies with fewer gender roles actually tend to have better socio-economic indicators for both men and women.
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      axelfooley2k5 posted...
      I can't believe there are people who can fall for such shitty misleading propaganda

      the United States is white privilege 

      white privilege is the United States


      What about Asian Americans. Do you consider them privileged?



      I look at it this way

      there is more of a lack of even treatment 
      and even abuse towards minorities

      white privilege is only a term because we really know how to fix the game to shit all over everyone below us

      to have the nerve to say that being white in america isn't going to make life easier for you is a myth.......... is to be delusional 

      some on this site go further and actually live in another dimension saying it is somehow a disadvantage 

      that just simply isn't true
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      PunkRockGiik posted...
      A women who chooses to work will still face the discrimination of being more likely to leave and focus on her family, even if she does not. So yes, the discrimination she faces is still entirely due to her being a woman.


      The large majority of women of childbearing age will leave work to raise their children and this is a burden on employers who then have to find and train a replacement for her. Even if she's only taking temporary maternity leave and plans to come back to the same job, it's still a burden on the employer because not only do they have to find a replacement but they have to pay two people for the price of one, and then when she comes back to work the replacement gets sacked. I get why it seems unfair, but it's not because employers are prejudiced against women.

      As for the gender roles thing, you're moving the goalposts. This is what you initially said, and this is what I am replying to: "People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy." I was telling you that is not true.


      I didn't move any goalpost. What I said is true and I stand by it. It may not be true for every single person but it is true for the large majority. If people didn't like gender roles then gender roles would end. The fact that some men like you can't measure up doesn't mean gender roles are bad. It just means you need to change.
      you can't let propaganda on the internet lead you to actually believe straight up lies
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      @PunkRockGiik

      Gender roles or not. Tomboyish girls WILL play the male role regardless of what society puts on them, depending on how high the hormonal level is.


      As long as males generally buy into relationships, the Wage Gap will remain as males give their love interests, the option to not work as seriously.



      A Tomboy girl that is told to play a female role would NOT DO SO. Infact, she would give the same answer a male would. "Say that in my face, and I will fuck you up."

      Source, (ABC News)


      What would a guy do if he doesn't want the male breadwinner role? Just walk out, or fight. Like a Tomboy female would
      Source
      XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      A women who chooses to work will still face the discrimination of being more likely to leave and focus on her family, even if she does not. So yes, the discrimination she faces is still entirely due to her being a woman.


      The large majority of women of childbearing age will leave work to raise their children and this is a burden on employers who then have to find and train a replacement for her. Even if she's only taking temporary maternity leave and plans to come back to the same job, it's still a burden on the employer because not only do they have to find a replacement but they have to pay two people for the price of one, and then when she comes back to work the replacement gets sacked. I get why it seems unfair, but it's not because employers are prejudiced against women.

      As for the gender roles thing, you're moving the goalposts. This is what you initially said, and this is what I am replying to: "People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy." I was telling you that is not true.


      I didn't move any goalpost. What I said is true and I stand by it. It may not be true for every single person but it is true for the large majority. If people didn't like gender roles then gender roles would end. The fact that some men like you can't measure up doesn't mean gender roles are bad. It just means you need to change.




      a ton of these anti women and all women are feminist posters have a ton in common


      they jump from account to account to account to account

      click on peoples names before you engage conversation with them

      if they have like 10 active posts be suspicious

      and the guy above me is a new user so you get the picture
      they are hard at work slinging this diarrhea onto all the surfaces they can
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      PunkRockGiik 2 hours ago#122
      XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      A women who chooses to work will still face the discrimination of being more likely to leave and focus on her family, even if she does not. So yes, the discrimination she faces is still entirely due to her being a woman.


      The large majority of women of childbearing age will leave work to raise their children and this is a burden on employers who then have to find and train a replacement for her. Even if she's only taking temporary maternity leave and plans to come back to the same job, it's still a burden on the employer because not only do they have to find a replacement but they have to pay two people for the price of one, and then when she comes back to work the replacement gets sacked. I get why it seems unfair, but it's not because employers are prejudiced against women.

      As for the gender roles thing, you're moving the goalposts. This is what you initially said, and this is what I am replying to: "People choose gender roles because they're natural and it's what makes them the most happy." I was telling you that is not true.


      I didn't move any goalpost. What I said is true and I stand by it. It may not be true for every single person but it is true for the large majority. If people didn't like gender roles then gender roles would end. The fact that some men like you can't measure up doesn't mean gender roles are bad. It just means you need to change.


      Yes, I already know why employers discriminate against women. I have been explaining what you just explained throughout this entire topic. My point is that we can reduce discrimination by fighting rigid gender roles.

      As for most men being okay with these gender roles, I think you're in the minority there. The fact that men are expected to be strong and can't talk about their feelings in the same way that women can is actually a big contributor to a lot (perhaps all) of the problems that have been listed in this topic that men disproportionately face. You are one of those rare people that is not only bad for women's liberation, but men's as well.
      (edited 2 hours ago)quote
      A woman that wants to stay home and raise kids has the option to do so.


      A guy that wants to do that? Good luck finding a girl that finds a broke guy attractive.
      There are some employers that discriminate against women, but due to gender roles and blahblah, the woman is still less likely to be homeless.



      If she isn't disgustingly fat, she could find a male to mooch off of. If that guy mooched off her, she would throw him out the house.


      Us guys know that, we accept it. Michael Jordan knew damn well that if him and his wife divorced, she would take more than $80 Million from him. $80 Million wasn't enough, she wanted to take more.


      Is sex the reason us guys do this?
      LinnaKeaton 2 hours ago#125
      MajesticFerret posted...
      kislev posted...
      ClayGuida posted...
      Lol, entitled privileged white guy attempting to bitch and moan about being called a entitled privileged white guy 

      Your life must be good if this is what you have to deal with


      Why do you hate White men so much?


      Because he's a fucking racist and should honestly be marked as such.

      "Hey, you're white."
      "what tHE FUCK DID YOU JUST CALL ME YOU RACIST"
      #126
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      wow, you sure blew it on that one.

      wow
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      SaikyoStyle posted...
      wow, you sure blew it on that one.

      wow



      "A guy that wants to do that? Good luck finding a girl that finds a broke guy attractive."

      this is how it is

      mothers get leave
      fathers provide or they have a job that gives leave
      then mother takes care of kids if father can provide so

      fathers staying home full time isn't normal unless reasons dictate it

      full time stay at home mothers are way down compared to where they used to be
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      C0c0nuttz 1 hour ago#129
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      If she isn't disgustingly fat, she could find a male to mooch off of. If that guy mooched off her, she would throw him out the house

      This is pathetically false. They even have a term for the guy moochers you claim don't exist: deadbeat dads.
      Relax, they're only words on the internet.
      fudrick 1 hour ago#130
      Employers must be morons to discriminate against a group of people who will do the same quantity and quality of work for 70% of the pay
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      Jimayo 1 hour ago#131
      Troll topic. Move along folks.
      261 - More troll food than any other board on the net.
      What the right sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rYqF_BtIwAU
      XxAxem_BlackxX posted...
      MajesticFerret posted...
      With all due respect, how TF would u even know?


      Because there are studies showing that people with ethnic sounding names like Laquishria have a tougher time getting hired than people with white sounding names like Ashley, and that minorities are more likely to be profiled by the police. I'm arguing that there are legitimate reasons why this happens that go beyond simple prejudice.

      I'm not an SJW by the way. I'm very strongly against multiculturalism and feminism.


      Tbf, half of these studies are fucking bunk because minoriies that aclimate well in American society do exceptionally well and there's about a gajillion variables i could toss into these studies to question their validity.

      If statistics has taught me anything, nearly any biased ass thing can be "proven" with falty sample sizes and not isolating the correct variables.

      Freakin Nigerians make more than the average white person and is one of the highest earning groups in all of America: where is this name gap BS reflected in this statistic?


      The fact is, it's very hard to do an unbiased sample of hiring ethics because most of big company hiring is drowning in nepotism anyways.

      Most big companies get a bajillion resumes with very similar shit, so if you don't know someone or have something special that gives you the edge, I have a very hard time believing your name is remotely relevant.

      Also, as has been brought up, certain companies have biases towards certains groups and gravitate more towards hiring them instead. I just find it completely asenine to believe that more qualified black people are losing jobs yo less qualified white people when honestly, under equal credentials who gets the job is a total wash and is completely decided by hiring preference.

      If you don't want to get lost in the fray, don't have a mediocre resume and you won't get washed in with about 100 people because then the employer will likely go by culture, and yeah, majority in the region will have the edge there.

      If I go to UK and apply for a job and have the best resume, I will prob get the job. If I go to UK and apply for a job and my credentials blur with the rest, I prob won't get the job as the employer might as well just paly meanie Minnie moe and just pick someone at random or who they think they'll get along best with.
      Sanity is a one trick pony, all you get with it is rational thought, but with crazy the sky's the limit.
      Jimayo posted...
      Troll topic. Move along folks.


      they're all troll topics here
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      C0c0nuttz posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      If she isn't disgustingly fat, she could find a male to mooch off of. If that guy mooched off her, she would throw him out the house

      This is pathetically false. They even have a term for the guy moochers you claim don't exist: deadbeat dads.

      @C0c0nuttz

      The ones that LEAVE and don't pay child support? I am not speaking of that.


      It is rare for long term successful relationships/marriages where the guy is freeloading, like how females normally do.


      We get attractive girls to stay home with us for free, and do nothing more than wash dishes, laundry... or... better... just sex. All we do is ask her not to gain weight.


      It is very difficult and rare for males to get that treatment. Those marriages crash frequently. It is statistivally rare. Marriage statistics are available online.


      A male Gold Digger must be some kind of rare Ultra, Alpha Male. Females rarely buy into relationships the same way guys do.
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      C0c0nuttz posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      If she isn't disgustingly fat, she could find a male to mooch off of. If that guy mooched off her, she would throw him out the house

      This is pathetically false. They even have a term for the guy moochers you claim don't exist: deadbeat dads.

      @C0c0nuttz

      The ones that LEAVE and don't pay child support? I am not speaking of that.


      It is rare for long term successful relationships/marriages where the guy is freeloading, like how females normally do.


      We get attractive girls to stay home with us for free, and do nothing more than wash dishes, laundry... or... better... just sex. All we do is ask her not to gain weight.


      It is very difficult and rare for males to get that treatment. Those marriages crash frequently. It is statistivally rare. Marriage statistics are available online.


      A male Gold Digger must be some kind of rare Ultra, Alpha Male. Females rarely buy into relationships the same way guys do.


      you really hate women
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      axelfooley2k5 posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      C0c0nuttz posted...
      thetruehedgehog posted...
      If she isn't disgustingly fat, she could find a male to mooch off of. If that guy mooched off her, she would throw him out the house

      This is pathetically false. They even have a term for the guy moochers you claim don't exist: deadbeat dads.

      @C0c0nuttz

      The ones that LEAVE and don't pay child support? I am not speaking of that.


      It is rare for long term successful relationships/marriages where the guy is freeloading, like how females normally do.


      We get attractive girls to stay home with us for free, and do nothing more than wash dishes, laundry... or... better... just sex. All we do is ask her not to gain weight.


      It is very difficult and rare for males to get that treatment. Those marriages crash frequently. It is statistivally rare. Marriage statistics are available online.


      A male Gold Digger must be some kind of rare Ultra, Alpha Male. Females rarely buy into relationships the same way guys do.


      you really hate women

      @axelfooley2k5

      Hate women? Because I am saying something that is not so positive about women, while ACCEPTING not so positive things said about males?


      Sorry, too many women can testify against that accusation. I help more women than males, especially those in need.

      I am guessing other guyz here called "sexist" do similar things. I respond the same way to people shouting, "You White people are privileged and arrogant," and I am not even white.
      Neither gender is equal. "Balanced" is a better term I think. There are things men are better suited at doing than women and vice versa. That is a biological fact. It doesn't mean they should be relegated to those roles though, if a man wants to stay at home and look after his kids while his wife works then great, If a woman wants a career in the military then great etc.

      Just realized this was a topic about race. Ignore me.
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      (edited 1 hour ago)quote
      PunkRockGiik posted...
      Yes, I already know why employers discriminate against women. I have been explaining what you just explained throughout this entire topic. My point is that we can reduce discrimination by fighting rigid gender roles.

      As for most men being okay with these gender roles, I think you're in the minority there. The fact that men are expected to be strong and can't talk about their feelings in the same way that women can is actually a big contributor to a lot (perhaps all) of the problems that have been listed in this topic that men disproportionately face. You are one of those rare people that is not only bad for women's liberation, but men's as well.


      Well that's good. I don't want to liberate women or men. I want men to be masculine and women to be feminine.
      Samaellives91 posted...
      Neither gender is equal. "Balanced" is a better term I think. There are things men are better suited at doing than women and vice versa. That is a biological fact. It doesn't mean they should be relegated to those roles though, if a man wants to stay at home and look after his kids while his wife works then great, If a woman wants a career in the military then great etc.

      Same can be said for race.



      True, but is it as easy for us guys to convince women that we want to stay at home and change diapers/do housework?


      Statisically, this normally doesn't work out as well. This was brought up on the news. Then, there is the controversy of a male trying to get alimony. Being respected after that is...
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      Also, someone mentioned women being unwilling to put their guy through college. The gf before my current offered to pay for everything while I finished college

      One of those things about being rightwing and hanging out with rightwing people, you are also likely to date rightwing people. 

      Guess if that person I dated that offered to pay for everything while I finished college was liberal or conservative?

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      RyanBraun8 posted...
      The bitching about how things have gotten tough for the white man is out of control. You all are the REAL SJW snowflakes. Life can be tough (ask Donnie). Wear a cup.

      Best sentiment ever. This should be taught to everyone.
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