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He calls women that become men and vice versa, imposters and counterfeits. Says being gemder fluid is unscientific and harmful. Worth a full read IMO.
http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgendered-men-dont-become-women-they-become?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cns&utm_campaign=b-transgender
"You're just one big headache, and I got a pistol full of aspirin"
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Harmful to who? If you don't bash trans people or equate them to criminals and predators (as those on the right do) where is the harm if X thinks they're male, female, both, etc.?
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Gender fluidity is dangerous in the sense that it makes it hard for close minded people to understand gender dysphoria. It is the true definition (and I fucking hate this term) of a "special snowflake."
You and I both know...you sleeping with Jamal.
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cnsnews.......lol
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And I love when the right does this on scientific issues. They'll listen to the one guy who fits their views (and who tends to be ancient), but never mind the 99% of professionals that don't. They do the same thing with climate change.
FWIW, this is also one of the loons in the field that thing people choose to be gay. |
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GregShmedley posted...
Gender fluidity is dangerous in the sense that it makes it hard for close minded people to understand gender dysphoria. It is the true definition (and I fucking hate this term) of a "special snowflake." it's dangerous in that people who are close minded won't get it? Isn't that a problem with the close minded people in the first place? |
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TundraKing87 posted...
Harmful to who? If you don't bash trans people or equate them to criminals and predators (as those on the right do) where is the harm if X thinks they're male, female, both, etc.? Read the article. It's not that long.
"You're just one big headache, and I got a pistol full of aspirin"
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Carmelo posted...
GregShmedley posted...Gender fluidity is dangerous in the sense that it makes it hard for close minded people to understand gender dysphoria. It is the true definition (and I fucking hate this term) of a "special snowflake." Maybe those were poor words. What I am saying is, it is a joke. Gender fluidity does not exist and distracts from any progressive or support that can be gained in the transgender movement.
You and I both know...you sleeping with Jamal.
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This guy is an absolute relic. He's also adamantly opposed to gay rights and supported Prop 8. Why Johns Hopkins keeps him around is a mystery.
He probably thinks that people "become" gay from having divorced parents, that was a popular belief in his heyday.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
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Patriotwolf posted...
He calls women that become men and vice versa, imposters and counterfeits. I'll think I'll pass on the article; this tells me all I need to know.
Until you spread your wings, you'll never know how far you can walk.
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The article being from CNS also tells you all you need to know about the article. They're a far right Christian Dominionist site.
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
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That guy thinks he's a lady? He's crazy!....so anyway as I was saying an immortal man lives in the sky and knows everything we've ever done, do or will do because he planned it out, but you can't blame him for bad stuff, unless it is his just, righteous anger. Also he boned a lady once and she birthed a copy of him in human form. He died for our sins so that we can enjoy an eternal paradise with all our dead loved ones, instead of spending forever in a pit of fire, horror and anguish being burned by demons until the end of time that he also sends us to, strange...and he has rules to follow to ensue he doesn't torture us for eternity, and not owning human beings, raping people or trafficking kids aren't on the list but wearing mixed fabrics and enjoying shellfish are. Weird...but anyway, that guy who thinks he's a lady. Yikes! Someone needs a trip to the asylum, am I right?
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Patriotwolf posted...
He calls women that become men and vice versa, imposters and counterfeits. Says being gemder fluid is unscientific and harmful. Worth a full read IMO. so Intersex people are imposters and counterfeits?
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mercurydude posted...
This guy is an absolute relic. He's also adamantly opposed to gay rights and supported Prop 8. Why Johns Hopkins keeps him around is a mystery. Tenure, probably. They can't fire him.
The party's always better with Gordon FreeGin around.
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Johns Hopkins refused to do reassignment surgery for awhile I believe, but I can't recall if he was the psychiatrist responsible for that and can't find my book about it
Edit: found my book, it was him "Paul McHugh, who was Chair of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins for many years, strongly opposed this kind of surgical intervention and banned it at his hospital. McHugh (2005) argued that if no physician would remove a normal organ or body part simply on request (as opposed to requests for reshaping), then physicians should not do so for intact genitalia. To carry out such a procedure, one would have to be convinced that a wish to have the body of the opposite sex is the product of a biological anomaly. No one has shown that to be the case." (Paris, 2015, pg. 161) For the record, I disagree with Mr. McHugh. |
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GregShmedley posted...
Gender fluidity is dangerous in the sense that it makes it hard for close minded people to understand gender dysphoria. It is the true definition (and I fucking hate this term) of a "special snowflake." This. It makes people think trans individual are faking it and even throws into question if being gay is a choice. The gender fluid bullshit is just that.
Sometimes it's what you don't do that makes you who you are.
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TundraKing87 posted...
Harmful to who? If you don't bash trans people or equate them to criminals and predators (as those on the right do) where is the harm if X thinks they're male, female, both, etc.? You apparently didn't read the article. Whether you agree with him or not, he addressed your question. He's saying that its harmful to those people because treating them in they that is currently acceptable doesn't really help them. He compared it to treating an eating disorder with lyposuction. He also pointed out that a 30 yr long study from Sweden, a country more accepting of transgendered people than the US, showed that the suicide rate was higher for transgenedred people who underwent the reassignment surgery. There could be many reasons for that, but his overall point seemed to be that transgenderism should be treated as a psychological problem not a physical one, and that more research should be done into the effectiveness of reassignment surgery. Both of those are reasonable statements. Russian Rocket posted... And I love when the right does this on scientific issues. They'll listen to the one guy who fits their views (and who tends to be ancient), but never mind the 99% of professionals that don't. They do the same thing with climate change. But some people do choose to be gay. None of these issues are as cut and dry as either side wants to imply.
Am I the only African American on earth that likes Celtic folk music? Hmmmm
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So what's the solution? Let them kill themselves and sort it out that way?
I have no idea why people have such disdain for transgender people. I mean how could you ever even hate someone you haven't met? besides trump who is objectively a bad person
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KoolAssAssassin posted...
TundraKing87 posted...Harmful to who? If you don't bash trans people or equate them to criminals and predators (as those on the right do) where is the harm if X thinks they're male, female, both, etc.? No. Don't muddy the waters with your bullshit. |
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I read it....I mean, yeah, he said all that, but...
The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with.
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It's Paul McHugh. The guy's a wacko. He belongs in a psych ward as a patient. He's who conservatives quote when they conveniently want to use science that agrees with them (even when it really doesn't)\
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KoolAssAssassin posted...
He's saying that its harmful to those people because treating them in they that is currently acceptable doesn't really help them. Yes...he's saying all this because he cares about them so deeply. "I called them imposters due to all the Christian love I have for them in my heart". Another fake Christian that better hope there isn't an afterlife.
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
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Unfortunately for this hack the APA disagrees with him.
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Russian Rocket posted...
What bullshit? It's fact, and it's not even new. Read up on any warrior culture. Homosexuality is rampant in them. Why? Because they were often separated from women for long periods of time, and wounding building homosexual relationships in response. They weren't born gay. They made the choice to engage in homosexuality. We see the same thing in prisons. On top of that, the "girls experimenting when they go off to college" trope has been around for ages. Why? Because people have been doing that for ages. I'm not muddying anything. The waters are already murky. People like you just want to act like things are black and white because it suits your agenda. Ellesarien posted...
I don't know anything about. Christianity wasn't brought up once in the article, so I don't even understand what you mean. I don't know anything about the guy, so he could be a loon, but the argument presented in the article was not out of line. I'm not saying it's correct, but he wasn't just saying some unnecessarily hateful shit. And when he said that transgenders don't ever become the other gender, they just become an approximation, he's not wrong.
Am I the only African American on earth that likes Celtic folk music? Hmmmm
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I think women can trans to men because women have penis envy too. You can't tell me Madonna doesn't have penis envy.
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"I don't know anything about. Christianity wasn't brought up once in the article, so I don't even understand what you mean. I don't know anything about the guy, so he could be a loon, but the argument presented in the article was not out of line. I'm not saying it's correct, but he wasn't just saying some unnecessarily hateful shit. And when he said that transgenders don't ever become the other gender, they just become an approximation, he's not wrong."
I'd say the "counterfit" and "fraud" type rhetoric and how it hurts families is out of line. To view it as a matter of mental health and prioritizing that isn't necessarily so, but it's still not all that clear.
The case against Clevinger was open and shut. The only thing missing was something to charge him with.
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Triad posted...
"I don't know anything about. Christianity wasn't brought up once in the article, so I don't even understand what you mean. I don't know anything about the guy, so he could be a loon, but the argument presented in the article was not out of line. I'm not saying it's correct, but he wasn't just saying some unnecessarily hateful shit. And when he said that transgenders don't ever become the other gender, they just become an approximation, he's not wrong." Well, yeah the wording he used can be seen has hurtful. I understand that, but he was really just trying to say that we don't have the capability of turning a person from one sex to the other, so even if you claim that you're the opposite gender, any surgery you have will only make you look someone what like the other sex on the surface. You may not like the term "counterfeit" in this instance, but it's not wrong technically. I also don't see anything wrong with what he said about hurting families either. You have to take what he said in context. He's arguing that people are treating transgenderism wrong. He said it hurts families, because you have parents that want to do right for their children, but are consistently doing the wrong thing and that causes stress for everyone involved. Now you can disagree with his statement that the parents are doing the wrong thing, but in the context of what he said, was his statement really all that hurtful?
Am I the only African American on earth that likes Celtic folk music? Hmmmm
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KoolAssAssassin posted...
Russian Rocket posted... Situational homosexual behavior is not the same as being gay. |
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He's not slamming transgenders, he's slamming transtrenders.
"'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry
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Russian Rocket posted...
KoolAssAssassin posted...Russian Rocket posted... It is when, even after you're not longer in that situation, you still prefer to be in homosexual relationships, which historically happened quite often. If a straight man goes to jail for 20 years, participates in homosexual behavior, comes out and even now having access to women is still prone to homosexual behavior, how can you say that person is not gay?
Am I the only African American on earth that likes Celtic folk music? Hmmmm
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The "gender and sexual orientation fluidity" crowd always strikes me as odd, because I'm pretty sure they were - correctly - arguing that you can't choose whom you're attracted to just ten years ago. Thought we were done with that bullshit mentality.
"'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry
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KoolAssAssassin posted...
Russian Rocket posted...KoolAssAssassin posted...Russian Rocket posted... I didn't say that. |
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Nerevar posted...
The "gender and sexual orientation fluidity" crowd always strikes me as odd, because I'm pretty sure they were - correctly - arguing that you can't choose whom you're attracted to just ten years ago. Thought we were done with that bullshit mentality. What's weird to me is that not too long ago people were acting like gender is just a construct of society. For example, there is nothing intrinsically feminine about liking the color pink or wanting to wear dresses. Those are just things that our culture conditions us to associate with femininity. Now all of a sudden, gender is a real thing, and it's more complicated than ever. It's hard to understand. There are gay men out there who are very effeminate. They speak like females, dress like females, and act like females in other ways too, but they identify as male. Other than how they identify themselves, what makes them different from transgendered females in practice? And why do transgendered women always take on the stereotypical look for a woman? I mean every woman isn't walking around looking like Marilyn Monroe? Lots of women walk around very casual and dressed in a way that, other than certain tailoring differences intrinsic to women's clothing, isn't that different from how men dress. How come transgendered women don't take up that style when they cross over? That's kinda what's feeding this guy's counterfeit comment. Women are women no matter how they dress, how they talk, or what they do. Transgender women aren't really women, at least not in a strictly physical sense, so in their attempt to be seen as women they adopt ways that are believed to be feminine. But isn't that basically just boiling womanhood down to a bunch of superficial traits?
Am I the only African American on earth that likes Celtic folk music? Hmmmm
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KoolAssAssassin posted...
Nerevar posted...The "gender and sexual orientation fluidity" crowd always strikes me as odd, because I'm pretty sure they were - correctly - arguing that you can't choose whom you're attracted to just ten years ago. Thought we were done with that bullshit mentality. And that's not even delving into Cross-dressers. Straight men that identify as men that like dressing as a woman. It's clearly all very complicated, but it seems like people just want to shoehorn these personality quirks and preferences into "identities" so they can have a label for themselves. Why they chose to ignore biology and do it this way is hard to say. Perhaps they fell for the social conditioning that they so hate and ascribed certain personality quirks and preferences to the male and female sexes. Either way, hypocrisy abound.
"'I'm offended by that.' Well so f***ing what?" -- Stephen Fry
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GregShmedley posted...
Gender fluidity is dangerous in the sense that it makes it hard for close minded people to understand gender dysphoria. It is the true definition (and I fucking hate this term) of a "special snowflake." I am open minded. And I can fully understand a person can have any number of mental issues. Gender Dysphoria or Gender Identity Disorder (GID) seems like it is something we should try to treat if it is something that can be treated. And I think that people with GID should be protected just like we would anybody with a mental issue if it is labeled as such. It almost feels as if this is human created though. I am not saying it is. But what I mean by human created is that we, as humans, tend to push what we see as normal for a gender. And then you have people that feel like they are not comfortable with that and it leads to an Identity crisis. Like men who feel like they are women because they like dresses, they like dolls, or other such things. I am a man. I am not sure what "feel like a man" would mean. I feel like myself. I like to dress a certain way, I like certain foods, I like certain hobbies, and everything else that makes me, well, me. What would constitute me "feeling like a woman". If I wanted to where what is thought of as women's clothes I would. And I think I will act like I want. Just because some society stuff labels it manly or womanly is nothing to me. That is what this feels like to me. A person identifies as a woman. How though? If it is in how they feel like they dress, act, and all that it is just them. Not that they are a woman (or man in the reverse scenario). I guess it is possible but to identify as a man or woman is crazy to me. I identify as human, sure. But outside of that I am biologically a man. That has no bearing, at least for me, on anything else. I will admit I am a little odd in this regard compared to others though. And I can fully understand that if a man "identifies as a woman" it can mean something to them. Too me, that person is a man due to biology. Outside of that, they are just themselves and have their own likes and desires. That is why I never really tried to understand gays/lesbians. They know how they feel and who am I to tell them different. But with this identifying as another gender I just feel like it is because we are taught that certain things are male and other things are female. My father used to call me a f word that sounds sort of like maggot. Why? I was into fishing, wading the creek with a seining net, catching snakes, playing sports, and many things most thought were for males. The reason was, I played with "girl toys" with my sister and her friends at times. And I collected things he thought was gay for a boy. Such an idiot. It was just labels that stupid people put on things like that. |
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Monday, August 7, 2017
John's Hopkins Psychiatrist Slams Transgenders
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