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the Trump administration wants to turn a valuable Salmon fishery into a mine

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Genericgamer667 15 hours ago#1
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/politics/bristol-bay-salmon-invs/index.html

"Environmental Protection Agency head Scott Pruitt met on May 1 with the CEO of the Pebble Limited Partnership, a subsidiary of the mining company, CNN reported on September 22 based on interviews and government emails. Little more than an hour later, according to internal emails, the administrator directed his staff to reverse Obama-era protections for Bristol Bay, which had been created after years of scientific review. Based on that work, the previous administration had aimed to pre-emptively veto certain mining activities in the ecologically important region."

Such a mine "would result in complete loss of fish habitat due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands, and other aquatic resources"

"If we don't make some good decisions, it will be the end of the line for these traditional salmon cultures," he said. "I believe this is the most significant environmental issue in the United States today. (The development of Pebble) would establish a precedent that I believe would absolutely extinguish the traditional salmon cultures and force them into modernity."


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pnut027 14 hours ago#2
Who's the planet to get in the way of 💰💰💰?
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Cnn lol
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Jimayo 13 hours ago#4
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Hyena 20 13 hours ago#5
Oh, s***, that's in Alaska. Alaska counts for the majority of the US's wildcaught fidshing industry, and the mine pollution could affect states south, as well. It is very sensitive habitat. Trump is an a****** for this, as is the mining company.

As the article states, if the mine goes ahead, the damage cannot be easily reversed; it would take decades if not centuries. I was seriously hoping that this was somewhere in the Atlantic. I hope the State of Alaska says no...
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Hyena 20 13 hours ago#6
BTW, important factoid of the article:

The salmon's incredible migration also sustains people: Nearly half of the world's sockeye catch comes from this one region, which is one of the last, great salmon fisheries on Earth. The returning salmon and other ecological resources create some 14,000 full- and part-time jobs, generate about $480 million annually -- and support 4,000-year-old Alaska Native cultures.


This is because wild-caught salmon is not an automated industry (except for the processing)

Mining would not create nearly as many jobs. Many of those jobs are by Native Americans. Most of these Alaskan fishermen lack any other skills; loss of the fishery would place them in the same boat as the coal miners.

Alaska is one of the few places left in the world where salmon can thrive due to the lack of dams and the cold water (Everything from Oregon south is too warm and oxygen poor-- AND there are dams in all the waterways from mid-Washington south)

BTW, Pebble Ltd isn't even an American company. It's a Canadian one.
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PhlogPyro 13 hours ago#7
Jimayo posted...
Lordgold666 posted...
CNN is a joke "news" organization
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Hyena 20 12 hours ago#8
I repeat: The mining company is a Canadian one. 
What ever happened to Trump's "America first!" policy?
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Jimayo 12 hours ago#9
PhlogPyro posted...
Jimayo posted...
Lordgold666 posted...
CNN is a joke "news" organization

That may be true, but we both know that's not what he means.

Doing a poor job of covering the news is not the same as being fake.
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Sczoyd 12 hours ago#10
Sad when the agency meant to protect the environment is now about selling the environment for profit.
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Hyena 20 12 hours ago#11
Yup, and at the cost of thousands of American jobs. Unlike the wildcaught fishing industry, the mining industry has undergone quite a bit of automation. No way in hell that this gold/copper/molybdenum mine will provide a total of 14,000 American jobs.
Of course, Trump has proven that he only cares about certain types of jobs. You'll note how he never talks about the lost or jeopardized tech, fishing, or lumber industry jobs. Even though there are communities w. of the Mississippi who are in a similar situation to the coal belt due to the loss of the lumber industry.

Trump has only shown interest in oil, coal, mining, and manufacturing jobs. (and of course he won't give a s*** about lost tech jobs, because he LOVES India for letting him build his s*** there. Just like he goes after Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. but never says a negative word about United Arab Emirates, where he had a golf course built by one of the top-3 worst construction companies in UAE when it comes to literal migrant slave labor.)
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Hyena 20 12 hours ago#12
Jimayo posted...
PhlogPyro posted...
Jimayo posted...
Lordgold666 posted...
CNN is a joke "news" organization

That may be true, but we both know that's not what he means.

Doing a poor job of covering the news is not the same as being fake.


The local Alaskan news is saying basically the same thing. this one fishery and region supply more than half of the world's sockeye salmon. Probably 80-90% of America's sockeye salmon comes from there as well. These aren't just jobs for Alaskans, either. A large portion of the nation's migrant fishing industry (yes, American migrants, not Mexican ones) works summers in Alaska.

Murkowski is strongly opposed to it, BTW (even though she is pro-ANWAR drilling). I can't find info on what the Alaskan governor thinks, but his track record is worrisome. (though the good news is that he screams "states' rights!" and only seems to be in bed with the hunting and oil industries. He's in favor of allowing bear and similar cruel animal traps... which are also dangerous to humans and pets.)
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Tom_Green_II 12 hours ago#13
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?
Devilanse333 11 hours ago#14
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?


It’ll be us eating the coal while he dines on steak.
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Genericgamer667 11 hours ago#15
Hyena 20 posted...
I repeat: The mining company is a Canadian one. 
What ever happened to Trump's "America first!" policy?


apparently it doesn't matter as long as it involves "muh mining"
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Gradieus 11 hours ago#16
The stock symbol for this mine is $NAK. I rode it up about 350% since Trump won because it's always a hot topic.

You're better off waiting for a better entry point though, the mining won't start for a long while.

Edit: just so you're all aware, this mine would be the most valuable in the world with over $1 trillion in minerals.

So it's not just any old mine we're talking about here.
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RoyalDroneX 11 hours ago#17
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Ryan914 11 hours ago#18
Sczoyd posted...
Sad when the agency meant to protect the environment is now about selling the environment for profit.


EPA lost most credibility after the Animas River incident in Colorado.
50inchDLP 11 hours ago#19
We need these mines to help America save the jobs of the people who need jobs in mines. Sorry if you can not dine on Salmon every night "liberals" but peoples lives are more important and their JOBS. Salmon is 12 dollars a pound here and most people cant even afford it so too bad rich "liberals".
OffDogs 11 hours ago#20
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?
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ClayGuida 11 hours ago#21
Hyena 20 posted...
I repeat: The mining company is a Canadian one. 
What ever happened to Trump's "America first!" policy?

America first, the planet last, everything else in between.
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acolytes 11 hours ago#22
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


More than he eats coal I'm sure.

This is still a case where loads of jobs will be lost and replaced with a Canadian company.
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ClayGuida 11 hours ago#23
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.
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Genericgamer667 11 hours ago#24
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


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Nicodaemos 11 hours ago#25
This is why Trump and Pruitt should go to jail until they die.
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OffDogs 10 hours ago#26
ClayGuida posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.

Was asking as I usually don't and so I'm not sure why the you can't eat coal argument would be used. If one rested eats expensive fish (at least where I'm from). Then coal could be a better benefit. However acolytes pointed it is a Canadian company and so no,. I don't support this then.
Also being an a****** doesn't make you superior.
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Ryan914 posted...
Sczoyd posted...
Sad when the agency meant to protect the environment is now about selling the environment for profit.


EPA lost most credibility after the Animas River incident in Colorado.


The Animus River shouldn't be on the EPA. It was already compromised when they began the work. The problem was there was no way to tell how extensively compromised it was. Had the EPA done nothing, it would have completely breached and been much much worse. Its ironic in a topic about mines and rivers you brought up an incident caused by a poorly constructed mine near a river.
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themastah 10 hours ago#28
OffDogs posted...
ClayGuida posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.

Was asking as I usually don't and so I'm not sure why the you can't eat coal argument would be used. If one rested eats expensive fish (at least where I'm from). Then coal could be a better benefit. However acolytes pointed it is a Canadian company and so no,. I don't support this then.
Also being an a****** doesn't make you superior.

Salmon is an expensive fish...??
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Genericgamer667 10 hours ago#29
The people who live there have their livelihoods dependent on salmon, is that worth sacrificing for a mine?

And salmon is one of the most popular fish in the entire word
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OffDogs posted...
ClayGuida posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.

Was asking as I usually don't and so I'm not sure why the you can't eat coal argument would be used. If one rested eats expensive fish (at least where I'm from). Then coal could be a better benefit. However acolytes pointed it is a Canadian company and so no,. I don't support this then.
Also being an a****** doesn't make you superior.


Salmon is cheap as s*** in Alaska and a crucial part of the environment in both its predators and controlling salmon prey population.
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Bluebomber182 10 hours ago#31
"coal can become diamonds eventually. thats better than some stupid fish!"
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Shadow Don 10 hours ago#33
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


Lol salmon is probably the most commonly eaten fish in the world right now. If they f*** up alaskas salmon population that would be a catastrophic blow to the seafood industry.
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Barkita 10 hours ago#35
Bluebomber182 posted...
"coal can become diamonds eventually. thats better than some stupid fish!"
So leave it where it is so it can become a diamond.
mystic belmont 10 hours ago#36
Why are we sacrificing so much for a small part of our economy?
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ClayGuida 10 hours ago#37
OffDogs posted...
ClayGuida posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.

Was asking as I usually don't and so I'm not sure why the you can't eat coal argument would be used. If one rested eats expensive fish (at least where I'm from). Then coal could be a better benefit. However acolytes pointed it is a Canadian company and so no,. I don't support this then.
Also being an a****** doesn't make you superior.

In what world would causing a natural habitat for anything to be destroyed be a good thing. 

It's as if people don't understand the basic fundamentals of an ecosystem. That's not a partisan term.
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lostsaint8911 9 hours ago#38
We are going to allow a Canadian company to destroy 14000 American jobs, which has an output of close to half a billion dollars annually. 

Hooray? America First?
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acolytes 9 hours ago#39
lostsaint8911 posted...
We are going to allow a Canadian company to destroy 14000 American jobs, which has an output of close to half a billion dollars annually. 

Hooray? America First?


Yeah, I see literally no upside to this at all.
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lostsaint8911 9 hours ago#40
acolytes posted...
lostsaint8911 posted...
We are going to allow a Canadian company to destroy 14000 American jobs, which has an output of close to half a billion dollars annually. 

Hooray? America First?


Yeah, I see literally no upside to this at all.


No one with any common sense does.
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mortimerjames 9 hours ago#41
we can find more salmon 

we only have so much coal
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Mirage13 9 hours ago#42
ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

Just say NO to man-made fisheries.
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Genericgamer667 8 hours ago#43
Mirage13 posted...
ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


...this isn't man made. And Alaska is home to the few sustainable ones
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OffDogs 8 hours ago#44
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
OffDogs posted...
ClayGuida posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?

This is likely the dumbest post you've ever made. And you're a resident s*** tier poster on this board. Congrats.

Was asking as I usually don't and so I'm not sure why the you can't eat coal argument would be used. If one rested eats expensive fish (at least where I'm from). Then coal could be a better benefit. However acolytes pointed it is a Canadian company and so no,. I don't support this then.
Also being an a****** doesn't make you superior.


Salmon is cheap as s*** in Alaska and a crucial part of the environment in both its predators and controlling salmon prey population.

Yeah in Alaska. Not in rural Iowa.
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Cynrascal 8 hours ago#45
So, let's neuter a part of the restaurant, supermarket, and the pet goods industry all at once for "MUH COAL!"?

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Ellesarien 8 hours ago#46
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


Ya, man...No one eats fish and salmon. It's like some of you are having a race to say the most idiotic thing on here. You're winning btw.
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
Ellesarien 8 hours ago#47
Mirage13 posted...
ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


ITP: Poster doesn't read article, doesn't understand the concept of wild and made an utter fool of himself.
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
OffDogs 8 hours ago#48
Ellesarien posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


Ya, man...No one eats fish and salmon. It's like some of you are having a race to say the most idiotic thing on here. You're winning btw.

I f***ing love fish but in my area salmon isn't cheap so I was asking if it's a bigger deal to him. I live on a land surrounded by big land, continent land and its not cheap to ship fish.
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Genericgamer667 8 hours ago#49
And how the hell would this mine help Iowa?
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Ellesarien 8 hours ago#50
OffDogs posted...
Ellesarien posted...
OffDogs posted...
Tom_Green_II posted...
...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

How often do you eat salmon?


Ya, man...No one eats fish and salmon. It's like some of you are having a race to say the most idiotic thing on here. You're winning btw.

I f***ing love fish but in my area salmon isn't cheap so I was asking if it's a bigger deal to him. I live on a land surrounded by big land, continent land and its not cheap to ship fish.


Oh s***...I didn't know that. Well f***, if salmon is more expensive in one f***ing rural town in Iowa, we shouldn't care about it and should kill off the industry.

Beef is a little more expensive in my area than in Iowa...so no one eats it right????

Derp..derp..derp.

Are you off your meds?
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
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    bmood989 8 hours ago#52
    What is this orange dickbag's obsession with bringing back coal mining?????
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    Kradek 8 hours ago#53
    OffDogs posted...
    Tom_Green_II posted...
    ...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

    How often do you eat salmon?


    Lmao I knew someone was gonna say it. Not surprised it was you.
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    Kradek 8 hours ago#54
    Gradieus posted...
    The stock symbol for this mine is $NAK. I rode it up about 350% since Trump won because it's always a hot topic.

    You're better off waiting for a better entry point though, the mining won't start for a long while.

    Edit: just so you're all aware, this mine would be the most valuable in the world with over $1 trillion in minerals.

    So it's not just any old mine we're talking about here.


    f*** AMERICAN JOBS AND f*** A VITAL SALMON REGION

    MUH STOCK PROFEETS IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

    Stop being trash. It's not ok to support Trump here.
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    Genericgamer667 8 hours ago#55
    Nature doesn't have a price
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    Kradek 7 hours ago#56
    mortimerjames posted...
    we can find more salmon 

    we only have so much coal


    Then it's a good thing we have an unlimited source of sun, wind and water.

    We can't "just find more salmon" this is one of the highest producing areas for the world salmon supply. There's a f***ing reason for that.

    Will you stop sucking so hard? Like, just f***ing stop already. It's not f***ing cute or whatever the f*** you think you're doing here. Tired of this asinine s***.
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    Kradek 7 hours ago#57
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL
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    Genericgamer667 7 hours ago#58
    "We can just find more bison"

    That's what people in the 1800s said I bet, how did that work out?
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    It is astounding to me that anyone could be braindead enough to support this decision. Get your mouth away from Trump's dick. Jesus f***ing H Christ.
    C0c0nuttz 7 hours ago#60
    f*** Trump. Don't f*** with my salmon b****

    Coal is on life support anyway.
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    OffDogs 7 hours ago#61
    Ellesarien posted...
    OffDogs posted...
    Ellesarien posted...
    OffDogs posted...
    Tom_Green_II posted...
    ...Pruitt's aware you can't EAT coal right?

    How often do you eat salmon?


    Ya, man...No one eats fish and salmon. It's like some of you are having a race to say the most idiotic thing on here. You're winning btw.

    I f***ing love fish but in my area salmon isn't cheap so I was asking if it's a bigger deal to him. I live on a land surrounded by big land, continent land and its not cheap to ship fish.


    Oh s***...I didn't know that. Well f***, if salmon is more expensive in one f***ing rural town in Iowa, we shouldn't care about it and should kill off the industry.

    Beef is a little more expensive in my area than in Iowa...so no one eats it right????

    Derp..derp..derp.

    Are you off your meds?

    Did I defend this mine anywhere? I just don't give a s*** about the salmon either. The point in asking was to point out that people may benefit from this mine and perhaps fuel for electricity is more useful than fish. I've also conceded that since this is a Canadian company it's a bulls*** deal all around.
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    So this doofus wants to make salmon more expensive than it already is. That's just dandy.
    Ellesarien 7 hours ago#63
    King of Inland posted...
    So this doofus wants to make salmon more expensive than it already is. That's just dandy.


    Just an average American tbh.

    I mean think about this :

    OffDogs posted...
    I just don't give a s*** about the salmon either.


    What are you going to do with this type of "Only care about what affects me" attitude? That IS becoming America in all its glory.
    I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
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    OffDogs 7 hours ago#64
    Ellesarien posted...
    King of Inland posted...
    So this doofus wants to make salmon more expensive than it already is. That's just dandy.


    Just an average American tbh.

    I mean think about this :

    OffDogs posted...
    I just don't give a s*** about the salmon either.


    What are you going to do with this type of "Only care about what affects me" attitude? That IS becoming America in all its glory.

    If it's going to benefit the locations people then I'm all for it. I presume this deal benefits the Canadian company so I'm not.
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    Dancedreamer 7 hours ago#65
    Remember when Captain Planet villains were unrealistic and largely jokes? Those were the days.
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    acolytes 6 hours ago#66
    OffDogs posted...
    Ellesarien posted...
    King of Inland posted...
    So this doofus wants to make salmon more expensive than it already is. That's just dandy.


    Just an average American tbh.

    I mean think about this :

    OffDogs posted...
    I just don't give a s*** about the salmon either.


    What are you going to do with this type of "Only care about what affects me" attitude? That IS becoming America in all its glory.

    If it's going to benefit the locations people then I'm all for it. I presume this deal benefits the Canadian company so I'm not.


    Even if this were an American company, I don't see the benefits. There's already loads of jobs from the fishery, and it provides the local area food for a lower price.

    How could destroying that for a dying industry like coal have an benefits?
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    slaity 6 hours ago#67
    50inchDLP posted...
    We need these mines to help America save the jobs of the people who need jobs in mines. Sorry if you can not dine on Salmon every night "liberals" but peoples lives are more important and their JOBS. Salmon is 12 dollars a pound here and most people cant even afford it so too bad rich "liberals".


    by killing jobs of people who need jobs in food 

    oh yeah only liberal eats salmon everybody knows that lol
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    Mitsukiba 6 hours ago#68
    All that's going to happen is the fish will die. And the coal workers will lose to automation.
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    MattVSin 6 hours ago#69
    Hyena 20 posted...
    I repeat: The mining company is a Canadian one. 
    What ever happened to Trump's "America first!" policy?

    As a Canadian, f*** that company.
    AceMos 6 hours ago#70
    Dancedreamer posted...
    Remember when Captain Planet villains were unrealistic and largely jokes? Those were the days.


    trump is basically lutan plunter hoggish greedly that rat guy and blight all rolled in to one
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    Cynrascal 5 hours ago#71
    slaity posted...
    50inchDLP posted...
    We need these mines to help America save the jobs of the people who need jobs in mines. Sorry if you can not dine on Salmon every night "liberals" but peoples lives are more important and their JOBS. Salmon is 12 dollars a pound here and most people cant even afford it so too bad rich "liberals".


    by killing jobs of people who need jobs in food 

    oh yeah only liberal eats salmon everybody knows that lol


    Or how about (like I said before) the pet food industry that also uses salmon and other type of fish for their formulas? Especially the companies that are stationed in the US that state that they don't use material outside of the US? Nope, they are just "liberals".
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    Mirage13 5 hours ago#72
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.
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    hoax123 5 hours ago#73
    50inchDLP posted...
    We need these mines to help America save the jobs of the people who need jobs in mines. Sorry if you can not dine on Salmon every night "liberals" but peoples lives are more important and their JOBS. Salmon is 12 dollars a pound here and most people cant even afford it so too bad rich "liberals".


    Lmao, is this for real? Can people really be this mentally challenged?
    Lock her up!
    OffDogs 5 hours ago#74
    acolytes posted...
    OffDogs posted...
    Ellesarien posted...
    King of Inland posted...
    So this doofus wants to make salmon more expensive than it already is. That's just dandy.


    Just an average American tbh.

    I mean think about this :

    OffDogs posted...
    I just don't give a s*** about the salmon either.


    What are you going to do with this type of "Only care about what affects me" attitude? That IS becoming America in all its glory.

    If it's going to benefit the locations people then I'm all for it. I presume this deal benefits the Canadian company so I'm not.


    Even if this were an American company, I don't see the benefits. There's already loads of jobs from the fishery, and it provides the local area food for a lower price.

    How could destroying that for a dying industry like coal have an benefits?

    I've conceded the actual argument, I was just clarifying my posts.
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    hoax123 5 hours ago#75
    What is it with conservatives weird fettish for mining? In their world, the only job for "real muricans" is working in the mines, apparently.
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    x_SaintBoot_x 5 hours ago#76
    Genericgamer667 posted...
    Something something crazy.
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    Kradek 5 hours ago#77
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.
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    Ellesarien 5 hours ago#78
    hoax123 posted...
    What is it with conservatives weird fettish for mining? In their world, the only job for "real muricans" is working in the mines, apparently.


    Dude, if you don't get the Black Lung by age 25...you're not a true real American.
    I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
    Mirage13 4 hours ago#79
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.
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    Ellesarien 4 hours ago#80
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.


    Oh Jesus....a libertarian view on food.....
    I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
    Mirage13 4 hours ago#81
    Ellesarien posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.


    Oh Jesus....a libertarian view on food.....


    Interesting how you contradict yourself if you are against the salmon not allowed to create their own natural habitats but instead through man-made fisheries but are against the mining too, something done through man-made processes, as well. Then again, that's all you Liberals know is hypocrisy; so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.
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    Kradek 4 hours ago#82
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.


    Ok, so upon further reading it's not a fishery, it's a bay and salmon run that a lot of fishermen use. 

    And while I get that fisheries can ruin habitats the position of this mine would be far more detrimental than what you think is already happening or has happened.

    It's all in the article,very in-depth.
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    Mirage13 4 hours ago#83
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    ITT: TC is talking as if Salmon fisheries are a good thing but they have negative effects on natural habitats and the environment, as well.

    Just say NO to man-made fisheries.


    ITP the poster makes it clear he's an ignorant joke that should never be taken seriously. Just in case you're new to the board, you're welcome for the warning.

    Also to the sadass joke of a poster, you think man-made fisheries destroy natural habitats more than f***ing coal mines? f***ing LOL


    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.


    Ok, so upon further reading it's not a fishery, it's a bay and salmon run that a lot of fishermen use. 

    And while I get that fisheries can ruin habitats the position of this mine would be far more detrimental than what you think is already happening or has happened.

    It's all in the article,very in-depth.


    Well then, the article is misleading if they are using the term "fishery" when in fact it is a habitat that is in danger of being destroyed. Then again, this coming from CNN, this doesn't surprise me. Gotta use that emotional language to stoke those flames of Liberal agendas somehow.

    Also, for someone who cares about the environment, such as myself, damage to a natural salmon habitat is the same as the damage a coal mine would do if allowed to be excavated. They are one in the same.
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    Kradek 4 hours ago#84
    Mirage13
    Well then, the article is misleading if they are using the term "fishery" when in fact it is a habitat that is in danger of being destroyed. Then again, this coming from CNN, this doesn't surprise me. Gotta use that emotional language to stoke those flames of Liberal agendas somehow.

    Also, for someone who cares about the environment, such as myself, damage to a natural salmon habitat is the same as the damage a coal mine would do if allowed to be excavated. They are one in the same.


    Among the critics likely to contact the agency are representatives from Alaska Native communities in Bristol Bay, as well as scientists like Quinn, who has dedicated his professional life to researching the area.

    Quinn's concerns are based on his years researching the bay, which were incorporated into a 2014 EPA report on Bristol Bay under the Obama administration. The report, which also was based on Pebble's filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, estimated the total mine site could be larger than Manhattan and nearly as deep as the Grand Canyon.

    Such a mine "would result in complete loss of fish habitat due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands, and other aquatic resources" in some areas of the bay watershed, the EPA found after three years of peer-reviewed research. In particular, the EPA estimated 22 miles of streams and more than 6 square miles of wetlands and other habitats that are important to salmon and other fish would be lost to a large-scale mine.

    "All of these losses would be irreversible," the agency said.

    Ray Hilborn, a professor in the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences at the University of Washington. "It's not just that you have the most valuable salmon fishery in the world, it's the nature of the habitat there. The reason it's such a productive salmon place is, it's basically this giant gravel bed. But that also means it's almost impossible to contain water. It's just a giant sponge. The idea you could store highly toxic waste (from a mine) forever behind a dam is just ridiculous."

    "I'm sure once a proposal is put on the table, geologists will be able to say, look, it's a no-brainer, you can't contain this stuff forever," he said.

    Healthy watersheds like Bristol Bay were once much more common.
    Most have been severely degraded or ruined, said David R. Montgomery, a professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington and author of "King of Fish: The Thousand-Year Run of Salmon." The Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States once had sizable salmon runs, he said. What remains, mostly in the Pacific, is a faint memory of what once was, he said, thanks largely to dams, urbanization, habitat loss and industrial activities like mining.
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    Mirage13 4 hours ago#85
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13
    Well then, the article is misleading if they are using the term "fishery" when in fact it is a habitat that is in danger of being destroyed. Then again, this coming from CNN, this doesn't surprise me. Gotta use that emotional language to stoke those flames of Liberal agendas somehow.

    Also, for someone who cares about the environment, such as myself, damage to a natural salmon habitat is the same as the damage a coal mine would do if allowed to be excavated. They are one in the same.


    Among the critics likely to contact the agency are representatives from Alaska Native communities in Bristol Bay, as well as scientists like Quinn, who has dedicated his professional life to researching the area.

    Quinn's concerns are based on his years researching the bay, which were incorporated into a 2014 EPA report on Bristol Bay under the Obama administration. The report, which also was based on Pebble's filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, estimated the total mine site could be larger than Manhattan and nearly as deep as the Grand Canyon.

    Such a mine "would result in complete loss of fish habitat due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands, and other aquatic resources" in some areas of the bay watershed, the EPA found after three years of peer-reviewed research. In particular, the EPA estimated 22 miles of streams and more than 6 square miles of wetlands and other habitats that are important to salmon and other fish would be lost to a large-scale mine.

    "All of these losses would be irreversible," the agency said.

    Ray Hilborn, a professor in the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences at the University of Washington. "It's not just that you have the most valuable salmon fishery in the world, it's the nature of the habitat there. The reason it's such a productive salmon place is, it's basically this giant gravel bed. But that also means it's almost impossible to contain water. It's just a giant sponge. The idea you could store highly toxic waste (from a mine) forever behind a dam is just ridiculous."

    "I'm sure once a proposal is put on the table, geologists will be able to say, look, it's a no-brainer, you can't contain this stuff forever," he said.

    Healthy watersheds like Bristol Bay were once much more common.
    Most have been severely degraded or ruined, said David R. Montgomery, a professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington and author of "King of Fish: The Thousand-Year Run of Salmon." The Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States once had sizable salmon runs, he said. What remains, mostly in the Pacific, is a faint memory of what once was, he said, thanks largely to dams, urbanization, habitat loss and industrial activities like mining.


    What you bolded is not what you original stated. You said that the damage from the mine would be far more detrimental to the damage that would come about on that Salmon habitat. What you bolded is saying that the mine would be detrimental to that Salmon habitat, among other habitats.

    So really, it sounds like we're taking the same stance. So why are we having this discussion again? lol
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    Mitsukiba 4 hours ago#86
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13
    Well then, the article is misleading if they are using the term "fishery" when in fact it is a habitat that is in danger of being destroyed. Then again, this coming from CNN, this doesn't surprise me. Gotta use that emotional language to stoke those flames of Liberal agendas somehow.

    Also, for someone who cares about the environment, such as myself, damage to a natural salmon habitat is the same as the damage a coal mine would do if allowed to be excavated. They are one in the same.


    Among the critics likely to contact the agency are representatives from Alaska Native communities in Bristol Bay, as well as scientists like Quinn, who has dedicated his professional life to researching the area.

    Quinn's concerns are based on his years researching the bay, which were incorporated into a 2014 EPA report on Bristol Bay under the Obama administration. The report, which also was based on Pebble's filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, estimated the total mine site could be larger than Manhattan and nearly as deep as the Grand Canyon.

    Such a mine "would result in complete loss of fish habitat due to elimination, dewatering, and fragmentation of streams, wetlands, and other aquatic resources" in some areas of the bay watershed, the EPA found after three years of peer-reviewed research. In particular, the EPA estimated 22 miles of streams and more than 6 square miles of wetlands and other habitats that are important to salmon and other fish would be lost to a large-scale mine.

    "All of these losses would be irreversible," the agency said.

    Ray Hilborn, a professor in the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences at the University of Washington. "It's not just that you have the most valuable salmon fishery in the world, it's the nature of the habitat there. The reason it's such a productive salmon place is, it's basically this giant gravel bed. But that also means it's almost impossible to contain water. It's just a giant sponge. The idea you could store highly toxic waste (from a mine) forever behind a dam is just ridiculous."

    "I'm sure once a proposal is put on the table, geologists will be able to say, look, it's a no-brainer, you can't contain this stuff forever," he said.

    Healthy watersheds like Bristol Bay were once much more common.
    Most have been severely degraded or ruined, said David R. Montgomery, a professor of geomorphology at the University of Washington and author of "King of Fish: The Thousand-Year Run of Salmon." The Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States once had sizable salmon runs, he said. What remains, mostly in the Pacific, is a faint memory of what once was, he said, thanks largely to dams, urbanization, habitat loss and industrial activities like mining.


    What you bolded is not what you original stated. You said that the damage from the mine would be far more detrimental to the damage that would come about on that Salmon habitat. What you bolded is saying that the mine would be detrimental to that Salmon habitat, among other habitats.

    So really, it sounds like we're taking the same stance. So why are we having this discussion again? lol

    The problem was you stating no to man-made fisheries, but you didn't read the article before posting that started a downward spiral in comparison to the current man made fishery vs the mine. Both are bad, but one is catastrophic.

    I didn't read either, but in this regard a fishery is a fishing ground or area where fish are caught. Though it is also commercial in use. Thought it isn't man-made and there apparently is no fish rearing based on the context.
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    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...
    Kradek posted...
    Mirage13 posted...

    Apparently you never heard how man made fisheries can seriously affect natural fishing habitats with introducing new diseases to natural population and altering behavioral patterns that natural salmon populations are not accustomed too, to name a few things. I wrote a paper on this s*** while in college (my degree is in Natural Resources and Environmental Policy). I think I am pretty qualified to speak on this subject matter after putting in many hours of research into how man-made fisheries affect the environment.

    Also, did you and the rest of the clowns who are trolling me miss the part where I included, "as well" in my original comment? I am saying both man-made fisheries and coal mining are not good things. God, you people are dense.


    And did you miss the part where this fishery is natural?

    Someone else pointed it out, curiously you haven't addressed that.


    There is no such thing as a "natural" fishery unless it is created by the fish themselves, which that of in itself is a habitat. Anything with the label fishery attached to it is man-made with the sole purpose of creating more fish through man-made processes.


    Ok, so upon further reading it's not a fishery, it's a bay and salmon run that a lot of fishermen use. 

    And while I get that fisheries can ruin habitats the position of this mine would be far more detrimental than what you think is already happening or has happened.

    It's all in the article,very in-depth.


    Well then, the article is misleading if they are using the term "fishery" when in fact it is a habitat that is in danger of being destroyed.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fishery

    Definition of fishery

    plural fisheries

    1:the occupation, industry, or season of taking fish or other sea animals (such as sponges, shrimp, or seals) :fishing

    2:a place for catching fish or taking other sea animals

    When you are arguing definitions and the definition you use is wrong, you probably are making your foundational arguments on quicksand

    Then again, this coming from CNN, this doesn't surprise me. Gotta use that emotional language to stoke those flames of Liberal agendas somehow.

    So you are clearly some rightwing troll

    So thats why you pulled your definition from Trumps alternative dictionary

    Also, for someone who cares about the environment, such as myself, damage to a natural salmon habitat is the same as the damage a coal mine would do if allowed to be excavated. They are one in the same.

    "Sustainable fishing and coal mining destroying rivers. Same thing, both industries"

    So the only thing the right has is false equivalnces?

    Oh wait, I forgot his whole man made fishery argument was a deflection and a strawman

    Love how Trump will destroy US jobs and companies to let a Canadian company create an almost entirely automated mine

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    EPR-radar 4 hours ago#88
    What's next for the EPA? Selling off the national parks to t**** cronies based on who is most enthusiastic about bribing Pruitt?
    Kradek 3 hours ago#89
    Mirage13 posted...
    What you bolded is not what you original stated. You said that the damage from the mine would be far more detrimental to the damage that would come about on that Salmon habitat. What you bolded is saying that the mine would be detrimental to that Salmon habitat, among other habitats.

    So really, it sounds like we're taking the same stance. So why are we having this discussion again? lol


    Because this article is about how this particular mine would cause devastating ecological damages and you ran in here screaming about how fisheries are just as bad for the environment without even reading the article. 

    The article uses the term fishery once in the opening paragraph and once in the title, far as I can tell, I don't know why other than just as, "a place a lot of people fish at". Every other time they're talking about natural bodies of water and how not f***ing with them has helped the salmon run flourish.
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    Kradek 3 hours ago#90
    Mitsukiba posted...
    I didn't read either, but in this regard a fishery is a fishing ground or area where fish are caught. Though it is also commercial in use. Thought it isn't man-made and there apparently is no fish rearing based on the context.


    After thoroughly reading the article I didn't see any indication of fish rearing, it's just a natural salmon run that hasn't been f***ed with by industries who would do things like install dams for toxic waste, so it's one of the last healthiest examples, thus all the salmon and profit.
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    M-Watcher 3 hours ago#91
    So... is there any way to stop this from happening? Could Alaska block it?
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    Genericgamer667 3 hours ago#92
    M-Watcher posted...
    So... is there any way to stop this from happening? Could Alaska block it?

    yes but I have little faith in their governor
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    CyrusV 3 hours ago#93
    The Trump swamp has never been more toxic.
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    monkmith 3 hours ago#94
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    still say old biff from BttF2 looks more like trump though.
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    mercurydude 2 hours ago#95
    It's disgusting how many people in this topic couldn't care less about who gets poisoned, who loses jobs, how much of a natural resource gets lost, etc. so long as they can lick Trump's balls.
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    Jimayo 2 hours ago#96
    mercurydude posted...
    It's disgusting how many people in this topic couldn't care less about who gets poisoned, who loses jobs, how much of a natural resource gets lost, etc. so long as they can lick Trump's balls.


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    mizukage2 1 hour ago#97
    50inchDLP posted...
    We need these mines to help America save the jobs of the people who need jobs in mines. Sorry if you can not dine on Salmon every night "liberals" but peoples lives are more important and their JOBS. Salmon is 12 dollars a pound here and most people cant even afford it so too bad rich "liberals".


    Did you not read any of the posts in this topic? The mine will have a net negative impact on jobs, the mine isn't going to employ anywhere near as many people as will lose their jobs in the salmon industry.
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