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Why is Hillary not the person giving this speech? That is kind of bullshit.
Or Warren? Or Khan? Or literally any woman who has been working in and around the culture enough to empathize with the people marching? The optics on this are terrible.
Newt Gingrich apparently published a novel named "Duplicity" in 2015
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hollow_shrine posted...
Why is Hillary not the person giving this speech? That is kind of bullshit. Not even the Women's march wants Hillary. They selected an old jewish white man to speak over her, that's how unpopular she is.
"History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
I don't see anyone of actual importance/influence complaining. Must be why newsweek decided to publish an article on it. An article that will continue to influence the thought process of the people who are trapped in that ideological bubble we see in those tweets. |
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ElatedVenusaur posted...I don't see anyone of actual importance/influence complaining. Newsweek published the article to generate clicks and thus ad revenue. |
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Sanders has literally supported anti-choice politicians...this is a joke He even did it during the election, because he felt it was a less important issue than his economic reform platform, and he felt that those candidates had his back there. I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here.
Newt Gingrich apparently published a novel named "Duplicity" in 2015
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
pls posted...ElatedVenusaur posted...I don't see anyone of actual importance/influence complaining. And when Facebook engaged in doing that a few years ago, they created the hyper-politicized hyper-partisan environment we have now. |
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Let's piss them off more. Well, the TERFs there. Let Laverne Cox speak.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
I wish I was a conservative because stuff like this would be genuinely fucking hilarious. The fact that you think not letting a man who supported anti-choice politicians (reproductive rights being one of the pillars of modern feminists) headline an event is "cucking white men" is telling
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...I wish I was a conservative because stuff like this would be genuinely fucking hilarious. Bernie is a populist with massive name recognition. If you're pushing a cause, having a celebrity at the forefront to get "normal" people engaged is critical. Even if his policies aren't 100% in line with the march's manifesto, it'd be crazy to turn down the opportunity to use his star power to bring attention to the march. He may not be the "most qualified" in terms of boxes checked, but a march doesn't become a movement without a champion.
"History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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Sayoria posted...
Let's piss them off more. Well, the TERFs there. Let Laverne Cox speak. I agree. Part of me gets why they might feel suspicious, but if they just tried to put themselves in the position of transwomen navigating the pitfalls of being in society in the US, they would be forced to realize that their belief that transwomen are just men in drag trying to infiltrate and co-opt feminism is basically a conspiracy theory, and that they might actually be alienating people who need their support. Fuck TERFs. s0nicfan posted... it'd be crazy to turn down the opportunity to use his star power to bring attention to the march. He may not be the "most qualified" in terms of boxes checked, but a march doesn't become a movement without a champion. That wasn't remotely the case with the first women's march. That was almost entirely angry people on twitter who found a bunch of other angry people on twitter and started a hashtag. And looking at the build up to this one, that's not true here either. And there are tons of women with name and face recognition who could contribute a voice to this. There are even more who have done the work and could be that voice if they only had the audience. The march didn't need Hillary back in January, and they don't need Bernie now.
Newt Gingrich apparently published a novel named "Duplicity" in 2015
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
s0nicfan posted...Even if his policies aren't 100% in line with the march's manifesto That still makes him, like.... 99% in line with the manifesto. For some, ANY action outside full 100% ideological commitment to the cause is basically treason.
"History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...I wish I was a conservative because stuff like this would be genuinely fucking hilarious. Bernie Sanders is pro choice
pretty sweet
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byron posted...
Bernie Sanders is pro choice Yes but see, he supporter the lesser of 2 evils instead of abandoning Omaha to Republicans. So fuck this white. man. Btw if his politics were the issue, they'd have started with that over bitching about his skin color and sex. Frisbee is going to pretend that their issue is solely him playing politics, which while still a pathetic, ideologue, horrible complaint, it's marginally better than one of pure race and sexism.
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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byron posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...I wish I was a conservative because stuff like this would be genuinely fucking hilarious. If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no?
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FrisbeeDude posted...
If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no? is there literal anything a mayor can do about abortion?
He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.
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Balrog0 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no? Doesn't matter that he went to literal jail to fight for equal rights. He supported a small mayoral election once for a candidate that wasn't 100% party line, so he really deserves to go die in a ditch. I'm sure there's some proud keyboard warrior that's done nothing of actual merit their entire life but espouses all the right opinions that would be better qualified to lead a march in desperate need of high profile positive PR.
"History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
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FrisbeeDude posted...
byron posted...FrisbeeDude posted...Anarchy_Juiblex posted...I wish I was a conservative because stuff like this would be genuinely fucking hilarious. Anarchy_Juiblex posted... byron posted...Bernie Sanders is pro choice
pretty sweet
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FrisbeeDude posted...
If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no? I am a pro-gun lib-dem so I don't give the slightest of fucks about this scenario. There are basically no candidates I can support and maintain ideological purity. Bernie specifically was pro-gun, at least more so than Hillary, yet he backed her as well. And so did I, because I'm not a fucking crazy person. Instead of arguing through analogy, why don't you just address the criticism of your line of thinking instead of creating literal duplicate examples?
"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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Balrog0 posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no? They could change the city ordinance to forbid medical treatment in general.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...If I claimed I were pro gun ownership, yet campaigned for politicians who wanted to rescind gun ownership, my position would ring rather hollow, no? You admitted last week that you have no fucking clue when it comes to guns. How could you possibly be pro-gun. If anything, you would be neutral. Of course that would be a lie as well.
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byron posted...
hollow_shrine posted...I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here. Do you know for a fact that they can't afford Hillary, or are you just peddling anti-Hillary narratives for the fuck of it, at the same time you're lamenting How "Trump will win again" if people keep "pushing division" like a total hypocrite |
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Alabaster_Wings posted...
byron posted...hollow_shrine posted...I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here. People in here are basically claiming Sanders is anit-women. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Tropicalwood posted...You admitted last week that you have no fucking clue when it comes to guns. "Oh I was just taken out of context when I said you don't need this and that while making an ass out of myself with misinformation taken as fact" That old fucking excuse again.
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The Women’s March on January 21 was possibly the largest single-day demonstration in U.S. history, with up to 5.25 million people taking part across the country. The movement is seeking to build on that legacy by hosting its maiden convention in Detroit later in October. What legacy? That you can get a record number of women together and they can't still accomplish anything?
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byron posted...
Alabaster_Wings posted...byron posted...hollow_shrine posted...I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here. I forgot that was the great unifying mantra of Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela. "Don't dish it out of you can't take it." |
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The Admiral posted...
The Women’s March on January 21 was possibly the largest single-day demonstration in U.S. history, with up to 5.25 million people taking part across the country. The movement is seeking to build on that legacy by hosting its maiden convention in Detroit later in October. This guy's party hasn't accomplished shit in a year and he's slamming women for "not accomplishing anything." Go defend some Nazis. |
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Sanders has literally supported anti-choice politicians...this is a joke In red states. What would you prefer? A candidate with pro-life positions & liberal economic positions that has something of a chance of winning in a deep red state, or a full-fledged hard left pro-choice candidate who would lose to the pro-life Republican candidate? Learn how political strategy works.
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Alabaster_Wings posted...
The Admiral posted...The Women’s March on January 21 was possibly the largest single-day demonstration in U.S. history, with up to 5.25 million people taking part across the country. The movement is seeking to build on that legacy by hosting its maiden convention in Detroit later in October. Look at this liberal fragility.
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Alabaster_Wings posted...byron posted...
Alabaster_Wings posted...
byron posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here.
He's not going to sit down though. He's going to stand up and speak at the women's march.
Too bad they can't afford Hillary.
Do you know for a fact that they can't afford Hillary, or are you just peddling anti-Hillary narratives for the fuck of it, at the same time you're lamenting How "Trump will win again" if people keep "pushing division" like a total hypocrite
People in here are basically claiming Sanders is anit-women. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
I forgot that was the great unifying mantra of Martin Luther King, Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela. "Don't dish it out of you can't take it."
Oh did I claim to be any of those people? Or was I just responding to someone on gamefaqs.com?pretty sweetThe Admiral posted...Alabaster_Wings posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Women’s March on January 21 was possibly the largest single-day demonstration in U.S. history, with up to 5.25 million people taking part across the country. The movement is seeking to build on that legacy by hosting its maiden convention in Detroit later in October.
What legacy? That you can get a record number of women together and they can't still accomplish anything?
This guy's party hasn't accomplished shit in a year and he's slamming women for "not accomplishing anything." Go defend some Nazis.
Look at this liberal fragility.
Look at this conservative regressiveness.byron posted...Alabaster_Wings posted...
byron posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
I'm all for economic reform and I voted with him until I literally couldn't, but he needs to sit down here.
He's not going to sit down though. He's going to stand up and speak at the women's march.
Too bad they can't afford Hillary.
Do you know for a fact that they can't afford Hillary, or are you just peddling anti-Hillary narratives for the fuck of it, at the same time you're lamenting How "Trump will win again" if people keep "pushing division" like a total hypocrite
People in here are basically claiming Sanders is anti-women. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
No, we're claiming that Sander's priorities don't align with the priorities of the march because for him "The Revolution" comes first. And that in the interest of that revolution he's been pretty dismissive of women's advocacy groups and issues in the past, and not even the recent past, when they found themselves in conflicting roles. Perhaps my gut reaction was overly vitriolic, but we are always seeing queer/women's/BLM activist voices get co-opted and Macklemore'd by 'allies,' and he doesn't even need the signal boost.Newt Gingrich apparently published a novel named "Duplicity" in 2015
15 Transwomen of color have been murdered since 1/1/2017The Admiral posted...The Women’s March on January 21 was possibly the largest single-day demonstration in U.S. history, with up to 5.25 million people taking part across the country. The movement is seeking to build on that legacy by hosting its maiden convention in Detroit later in October.
What legacy? That you can get a record number of women together and they can't still accomplish anything?
I'm confident the legacy is having a known terrorist being one of the organizer.ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya
ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yyaAlabaster_Wings posted...byron posted...
Oh did I claim to be any of those people? Or was I just responding to someone on gamefaqs.com?
You're right, your actions here don't matter and are in no way a part of a broader tapestry the same way those women on Twitter are.
Hmm what's more popular, Twitter or the current events message board on gamefaqs.com?pretty sweetYou won't find a bigger Bernie supporter than me, but topics like these are useless and self-defeating. There will *always* be people on Twitter with opinions you disagree with, byron. What good does it do to relotogate the campaign or vilify women who supported Hillary Clinton, many of whom have been on the front lines making sure the Republican agenda gets defeated. It doesn't do any good to respond to them with animus just because you have a disagreement with them over Bernie.
The campaign was a year ago. It's time to face facts. Bernie lost fair and square. He got fewer votes in the primaries. It wasn't rigged by Clinton or trhe DNC or anybody else. I wish he had won, but he didn't. If you were one of the people who boycotted Clinton in November out of spite or threw shade at her campaign when we all needed to be rallying around her, then you committed a grave error, and you'll have to live with that for the rest of your life. Same thing if you're continuing to stir up bad blood now. At the same time, Clinton supporters need to lay down their grudge against Bernie, he did everything he could from her and it was she who couldn't seal the deal with voters. It's time to heal, move on, and unify. Not relive the same grudge anytime you spot a tweet you disagree with. Those women are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, byron, show them the respect they deserve by acknowledging it and being civil.Malcolm_McGuffi posted...There will *always* be people on Twitter with opinions you disagree with, byron.
Right but there's a bunch of news articles about this.
Nobody is making an article on this topic.
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...Those women are entitled to their opinion whether you agree with it or not, byron
Am I not as well? whether you agree with it or not.pretty sweet. It wasn't rigged by Clinton or trhe DNC or anybody else
but it legitimately was
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/donna-brazile-fired-cnn-contributor/
Never mind that Superdelegates are designed to keep the establishment in power, people were actually fired over shady shit going on with the debates. The voting itself was not rigged, but the primary process was skewed in Clinton's favor.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
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but it legitimately was
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/donna-brazile-fired-cnn-contributor/
Never mind that Superdelegates are designed to keep the establishment in power, people were actually fired over shady shit going on with the debates. The voting itself was not rigged, but the primary process was skewed in Clinton's favor.
Actually, Clinton did "rig" the votes in 2008 against Obama.ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya
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Actually, Clinton did "rig" the votes in 2008 against Obama.
source that claim, you're a very untrustworthy person so I'm not taking this at face valueEnjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
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Sanders has literally supported anti-choice politicians...this is a joke
In red states.
What would you prefer? A candidate with pro-life positions & liberal economic positions that has something of a chance of winning in a deep red state, or a full-fledged hard left pro-choice candidate who would lose to the pro-life Republican candidate?
Learn how political strategy works.
If these same politicians were pro choice, but anti-universal health care, would these sanders supporters be touting the "lesser of two evils" line?No one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!FrisbeeDude posted...If these same politicians were pro choice, but anti-universal health care, would these sanders supporters be touting the "lesser of two evils" line?
probably, though that is more of a winning set of policies in an already liberal state than in a red oneHe would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.FrisbeeDude posted...If these same politicians were pro choice, but anti-universal health care, would these sanders supporters be touting the "lesser of two evils" line?
Find one and see what they thought? You can't counter an actual real-life example with a fictional non-person and then claim you made some kind of point."History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless WaltzBernie is more qualified than most to speak at the event. Luckily, the leadership of this movement understands that and is interested in partnering with Bernie to expand their audience. So far, they're avoiding the pitfalls that ruined Occupy Wallstreet and BLM.BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru)Zero_Destroyer posted.... It wasn't rigged by Clinton or trhe DNC or anybody else
but it legitimately was
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/donna-brazile-fired-cnn-contributor/
Never mind that Superdelegates are designed to keep the establishment in power, people were actually fired over shady shit going on with the debates. The voting itself was not rigged, but the primary process was skewed in Clinton's favor.
Just want to point out. If the GOP had superdelegates, we wouldn't have to suffer Donald Trump as president for the next four years. (Or until WW3, whatever comes first.)Zero_Destroyer posted...Tropicalwood posted...
Actually, Clinton did "rig" the votes in 2008 against Obama.
source that claim, you're a very untrustworthy person so I'm not taking this at face value
Obama was removed from the Michigan ballots, which made Hildawg president in 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008
Granted I'm an untrustworthy person that knows more about Hillary being a nasty woman.ayy lmao ayy lmao || oaml oaml yya yya
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If these same politicians were pro choice, but anti-universal health care, would these sanders supporters be touting the "lesser of two evils" line?
Find one and see what they thought? You can't counter an actual real-life example with a fictional non-person and then claim you made some kind of point.
I'm just curious what platforms sanders supporters are willing to abandon for the sake of getting someone electedNo one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!FrisbeeDude posted...
If these same politicians were pro choice, but anti-universal health care, would these sanders supporters be touting the "lesser of two evils" line?
I don't think I would, largely because abortion as an issue is comparatively irrelevant to improving our healthcare system. It's an issue that can be sacrificed in the short-term for progress on more broad issues.
I wouldn't expect all of the candidates Sanders endorses to be pro-UHC, but I would expect them to be far more progressive on the issue than an elected conservative. That's the thing. Your option, realistically speaking, is either a somewhat conservative Democrat or a full-fledged hard right Republican.
Throwing your hands up and saying "nuh uh" because it isn't ideal is what a child does. Moving hard-red states to the left is a decades-long project and it starts with trying to find some common ground with the voting populace.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)I love topics like THIS. THEY just pick at the open wounds on the Left and piss the Malcontent off even more! Enjoy Trump as your (our) President for the next 8 years. LOL.Zero_Destroyer posted...I don't think I would, largely because abortion as an issue is comparatively irrelevant to improving our healthcare system. It's an issue that can be sacrificed in the short-term for progress on more broad issues.
Clintons in 1992: "Labor is comparatively irrelevant to improving the economic security of our workers. It's an issue that can be sacrificed for progress on more broad issues."Alabaster_Wings posted...
Just want to point out. If the GOP had superdelegates, we wouldn't have to suffer Donald Trump as president for the next four years. (Or until WW3, whatever comes first.)
I don't agree with the de-legitimizing of Democracy in favor of "Saving the public from itself". That's authoritarian and can just as easily be used (and is more likely to be used) to prevent a good candidate from gaining ground. World War 3 will not result from Trump's presidency and Trump is defined by incompetence rather than somehow actively burning the country to the ground.
Tropicalwood posted...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008
Fair enough. In fact, I'm pretty sure the situation in Michigan has to do with why the polling during the Dem primary in this state was uniquely off.Granted I'm an untrustworthy person
Oh, you absolutely are.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)Bernie supporters who faulted Hillary Clinton for compromising on core left-wing values, and now cite abortion as something the party needs to compromise on, have got a *serious* blind spot. Stand up for what's right, not for what's popular or electable. That's what Hillary did, and we rightly despised her for it.Malcolm_McGuffi posted...Bernie supporters who faulted Hillary Clinton for compromising on core left-wing values, and now cite abortion as something the party needs to compromise on, have got a *serious* blind spot. Stand up for what's right, not for what's popular or electable. That's what Hillary did, and we rightly despised her for it.
Hillary is quite possibly the most textbook example of "political opportunist" in the last 100 years. Using her as an example of someone "standing up for what they believe in" is so laughably absurd that I'm not even sure if you're being serious or not."History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless WaltzAlabaster_Wings posted...
Clintons in 1992: "Labor is comparatively irrelevant to improving the economic security of our workers. It's an issue that can be sacrificed for progress on more broad issues."
Abortion is pretty near the bottom of the totem poll when it comes to major economic/social issues, so I'm not sure what point you're attempting to make.
At the end of the day, any pro-life Dem candidate in a Red state is better than a Republican candidate in a red state because they are more liberal. Either you accept that you can't get exactly what you want, or you make no progress by attempting to continuously throwing highly liberal candidates at the wall hoping they'll stick in the central plains or deep south (they never will, but "Blue Dog" candidates have succeeded)Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)Incidentally, it's entirely appropriate for women to say, "You don't speak for us" to Bernie supporters who are trying to cede ground on their fight for women's rights, women's choice, and women's health. TBH I'm pretty ashamed whenever I see other Bernie supporters who are radically anti-feminist or who don't feel like abortion is an important thing to defend.Zero_Destroyer posted...Abortion is pretty near the bottom of the totem poll when it comes to major economic/social issues, so I'm not sure what point you're attempting to make.
Yeah... Like you. I'm ashamed to be grouped with you.
A party needs to have values. Those values need to be stood up for and not compromised on. And there's an economic justice component to abortion too, you know. @Antifar and others have argued this a lot in the past.
Ironically, the same people saying "Let's stop making pro-choice a plank in our party so we can get more socially conservative Democrats elected" are usually the ones who want to do really stupid stuff to the fiscall y conservative red state Dems, like primary Joe Manchin.Malcolm_McGuffi posted...Incidentally, it's entirely appropriate for women to say, "You don't speak for us" to Bernie supporters who are trying to cede ground on their fight for women's rights, women's choice, and women's health. TBH I'm pretty ashamed whenever I see other Bernie supporters who are radically anti-feminist or who don't feel like abortion is an important thing to defend.
I'm not radically anti-feminist and I think abortion rights to some extent should be defended. However, you can't really make a case that a compassion act of the state (allowing abortions in cases where a woman can't feasibly raise a child) is more important than 300+ million people's healthcare. It's just not as important.
Abortion is not a long-standing fatal disease that we need to throw funding at. It (or it should be) a last resort when other methods of contraception have failed and the mother/father can't feasibly raise their child and don't wish to dump them into an overcrowded and often abusive adoption system.
Sex education and the spread of contraceptives is significantly more important. It prevents abortion from being an issue to begin with in most cases and also helps prevent the spread of STDs and stops unwanted teenage pregnancies that are likely to be a mental/financial burden on the parents and the state.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
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@Malcolm_McGuffi"Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi AliMalcolm_McGuffi posted...Bernie supporters who faulted Hillary Clinton for compromising on core left-wing values, and now cite abortion as something the party needs to compromise on, have got a *serious* blind spot. Stand up for what's right, not for what's popular or electable. That's what Hillary did, and we rightly despised her for it.
no one is saying the party needs to compromise on abortion
again, what is the mayor going to do about abortion? its called strategeryHe would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.Malcolm_McGuffi posted...A party needs to have values. Those values need to be stood up for and not compromised on. And there's an economic justice component to abortion too, you know. @Antifarand others have argued this a lot in the past.
You can't expect a political party to succeed without compromise. It's just not how reality works. Values can only take you so far before you throw yourself headfirst into failure because "Muh values" when you could've started chipping away to make things better.
A party should have core values, sure, but "you're with us 100% or you're against us 100%" isn't how politics works.Ironically, the same people saying "Let's stop making pro-choice a plank in our party so we can get more socially conservative Democrats elected" are usually the ones who want to do really stupid stuff to the fiscall y conservative red state Dems, like primary Joe Manchin.
Joe Manchin is pretty shitty, but he's still better than pretty much any potential Republican that might roll up from West Virginia. I don't know how you don't grasp or understand this.
If we want to get hyperbolic, you have a choice between a scumbag and literally Satan where no "good guy" can possibly win. One is less bad than the other and might open up from even less bad candidates in the future. If you can't grasp this, the Dem party is doomed to fail in the long run. This is why, despite Clinton being a terrible candidate, still would've almost certainly made a better president than Trump.
Making abortion a dealbreaker issue is setting yourself up for failure. I'm sorry, but that's just the reality of things. A pro-choice candidate is more likely to not even win a Dem nomination in a red state, let alone win, because the the subject is extremely emotionally involved for a lot of people.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)To be clear: I'm extending this viewpoint to elected senators. Mayors are entirely irrelevant on this subject and could otherwise be used as a grassroots base to promote more liberal values in conservative parts of the country. Getting mad over Sanders supporting a mayor in spite of his pro-life viewpoints is fucking absurd.Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses.
http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!)also, you know
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-was-heath-mello-thrown-under-the-bus/
Here’s the truth about Mello’s record: Back in 2009, he co-sponsored a bill requiring a physician performing an abortion to tell a woman that an ultrasound is available (as most already did). It neither mandated that the ultrasound be performed nor, if performed, that it actually be viewed by the woman—although it did require abortion providers to position the screen in such a way that the ultrasound was easily viewable. Daily Kos member Nova Land—a Tennessean who had never heard of Mello before the controversy—posted a comprehensive, well-sourced correction to this effect the same day. That didn’t lead Nir to reconsider (Nir did post a correction to his original post; see update below). Nor did it stop Perez from issuing a statement announcing that he “fundamentally disagree[s] with Heath Mello’s personal beliefs about women’s reproductive health,” which was worded in a way that appeared to cast doubt on the sincerity of Mello’s pledge that he “would never do anything to restrict access to reproductive health care.”He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.Twitter feminists are like gamefaqs conservatrolls. They never leave the internet so who cares what they think?- Boards
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- Bernie Sanders is speaking at the Women's march and twitter feminists are salty
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