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exactly what they mean when they say "racial inequality".
What are the exact issues people are referring to? What is the desired outcome they would like to see? What are people expecting from "white people" in regards to these feelings of racial inequalities?
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These are reasonable questions.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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Santorin posted...
These are reasonable questions. But it's far from a reasonable place to ask them. |
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Santorin posted...
These are reasonable questions. This very thing does not compute if it interferes with liberals' constant need for outrage. |
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Santorin posted...These are reasonable questions.
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Santorin posted...
What are the exact issues people are referring to? Stuff like this: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/551562df6da811e642f619bf-1200-546/demos-study.png https://www.vox.com/2015/2/18/8051345/black-white-hispanic-wealth-gap Santorin posted... What is the desired outcome they would like to see? I can't speak for everyone, but I think more redistributive policy is a good first step towards ending these gaps. Santorin posted... What are people expecting from "white people" in regards to these feelings of racial inequalities? Acknowledgment that a problem exists and for it to be taken in mind when considering policies.
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Antifar posted...
Stuff like this: Their reason for why Asians are not included is pretty awful. Surely there's data out there that paints a more complete picture. Antifar posted... I can't speak for everyone, but I think more redistributive policy is a good first step towards ending these gaps. Antifar posted... Acknowledgment that a problem exists and for it to be taken in mind when considering policies. So basically you want this: https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ |
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Antifar posted...
I can't speak for everyone, but I think more redistributive policy is a good first step towards ending these gaps. Can you elaborate on examples you feel make sense? Antifar posted... Acknowledgment that a problem exists and for it to be taken in mind when considering policies. Does this not already happen?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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Equality isn't the end goal
Raising themselves to the majority and making white people the minority so they can oppress them the way they feel they have been oppressed is the end goal This whole equality thing exists only as a means to an end
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We do but you guys don’t listen and stay in your bubble. A lot of us get tired of explaining the same only for it to go unheard
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glitteringfairy posted...
Equality isn't the end goal It certainly seems like this is the undertone of the ideology as a whole. Especially if we look at how these movements have progressed in other countries. |
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pls posted...
https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ Kangz
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joeywheeler posted...
We do but you guys don’t listen and stay in your bubble. A lot of us get tired of explaining the same only for it to go unheard That's why I'm asking now. I seriously want to hear answers to the OP to discuss.
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Santorin posted...
joeywheeler posted...We do but you guys don’t listen and stay in your bubble. A lot of us get tired of explaining the same only for it to go unheard I already provided you with the answers. https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ |
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I'm not looking for article answers I want actually PEOPLE to share their feelings and thoughts.
Posting articles we do everyday all day on CE. This is bigger than articles this is sharing our own thoughts and feelings and ideas.
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glitteringfairy posted...
Equality isn't the end goal 
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there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this
http://www.centerforsocialinclusion.org/ https://www.raceforward.org/
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TC certainly not feigning ignorance in order to bait people...nope. Not at all 🙄
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For one thing we could end the War on Drugs
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Not asking for that.
Asking for CE users to share their thoughts. Stop deflecting to websites and articles. Speak for yourself. Have your own voice on the matter.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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FrisbeeDude posted...
TC certainly not feigning ignorance in order to bait people...nope. Not at all 🙄 We be defensive when we could have a discussion? Share your thoughts? Why assume I understand? Is it so impossible that I don't?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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Balrog0 posted...
there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this I looked at the first link and it's a bit disturbing that they consider "racial equity" to mean "equitable outcomes" rather than equitable opportunities. It makes that BLM article I shared seem much more real. |
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Joke topic
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Joke topic See you're part of the problem. Someone genuinely comes in and asks genuine question for discussion and you dismiss it and rudely I might add. Can you answer the questions?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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Santorin posted...
Not asking for that. I mean, from your OP it isn't clear that you're asking for CEmen to give their opinions specifically. The reason it is useful to post articles and websites is that there are many answers to what "racial inequality" means, there are many issues rather than one or two specific policies, and often what is required of white people is more or less just to acknowledge there are barriers that black and brown people face in many social spheres that white people don't, so doing some background research is a good place to start.
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Balrog0 posted...
and often what is required of white people is more or less just to acknowledge there are barriers that black and brown people face in many social spheres that white people don't I'm not convinced that anyone really wants just that. It's just a precursor to making large and expansive demands in the name of "racial equity." |
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Santorin posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...Joke topic People did answer your questions. You moved the goalposts. It's obvious you're trying to bait people into answering so you could shoot down their responses
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pls posted...
Balrog0 posted...there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this A lot (not all, but a lot) of hardcore advocates in this realm are effectively pushing for hard socialism bordering on full communism, and using this particular set of race issues as a vessel to make it happen. If you really dig into what policies are being proposed, the vast majority of them boil down to redistribution of wealth in perpetuity to black and brown people. Some, such as the BLM manifesto, go as far as to demand that the state effectively hand over policing to communities so they can self-enforce.
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Santorin posted...FrisbeeDude posted...Joke topic I think he more just wants people to vocalize what they want, rather than hide behind articles and things like that. |
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tc, what are your thoughts?
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pls posted...
Balrog0 posted...and often what is required of white people is more or less just to acknowledge there are barriers that black and brown people face in many social spheres that white people don't "Demands" like what?
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Santorin posted...FrisbeeDude posted...Joke topic Not true. No one answered these What are the exact issues people are referring to? What is the desired outcome they would like to see? What are people expecting from "white people" in regards to these feelings of racial inequalities?
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry
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pls posted...
I looked at the first link and it's a bit disturbing that they consider "racial equity" to mean "equitable outcomes" rather than equitable opportunities. It makes that BLM article I shared seem much more real. where do they say that? the closest I saw was: At CSI, we define racial equity as both an outcome and a process. As an outcome, we achieve racial equity when race no longer determines one’s socioeconomic outcomes; when everyone has what they need to thrive, no matter where they live. As a process, we apply racial equity when those most impacted by structural racial inequity are meaningfully involved in the creation and implementation of the institutional policies and practices that impact their lives. When we achieve racial equity: People, including people of color, are owners, planners, and decision-makers in the systems that govern their lives. We acknowledge and account for past and current inequities, and provide all people, particularly those most impacted by racial inequities, the infrastructure needed to thrive. Everyone benefits from a more just, equitable system. pls posted... I'm not convinced that anyone really wants just that. It's just a precursor to making large and expansive demands in the name of "racial equity." like what kind of demands?
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s0nicfan posted...
pls posted...Balrog0 posted...there are quite literally whole organizations dedicated to doing exactly this Yeah, and that's awful. It's not my problem if someone's outcomes are not as good as my outcomes, and it's not anyone else's problems if my outcomes are not as good as Bill Gates' outcomes. We can have equitable opportunity (and indeed we do have it for the most part these days) without resorting to that kind of immoral and hateful forced redistribution of wealth. Why even bother working if that's the direction the social narrative is going? If my future is just going to be about paying back someone in perpetuity for something I didn't do, why even put effort into building anything in this country? |
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Balrog0 posted...
Santorin posted...Not asking for that. And be sure to read more than just left-wing websites like Huffpost that ignore recent studies like this http://tinyurl.com/y76g5y75 Third, unlike Bertrand and Mullainathan in favor of studies with smaller sample sizes from 13 years ago. |
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Antifar posted...
https://www.vox.com/2015/2/18/8051345/black-white-hispanic-wealth-gap Moreover, even saving a small nest egg can render a family ineligible for federal benefits. In some states, saving up just one or two thousand dollars makes a family ineligible for programs like welfare or SNAP. When policy makes saving money dangerous, it makes wealth-building into a bad thing — just the opposite of what low-income households need. And since the lowest-income Americans are more often minorities, this is one more factor that skews the nation's huge wealth gap. No surprises here. Welfare is a trap.
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I love how people keep pretending Asians don't exist so they can keep their narrative alive.
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Santorin posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...Santorin posted...FrisbeeDude posted...Joke topic Ok. Cool
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Santorin posted...
I'm not looking for article answers I want actually PEOPLE to share their feelings and thoughts. Premises: - The US has massive socioeconomic gulfs between white people and black people. These are seen in everything from education to employment levels, with African-Americans much more likely to be poor, live in poor communities, and receive the poor public services that accompany those communities. - These gaps are the result of centuries of policy largely designed to have exactly this effect. From slavery to Jim Crow, to even the racial exclusions of the new deal, Black people have been denied the same opportunities to accumulate and keep wealth. - Though current policies are ostensibly race blind, the ways in which poverty and class overlap with race mean that policies which harm the poor, particularly the urban poor, tend to widen these racial gaps, intentionally or otherwise. The policies of the war on drugs do not mention race, but they undoubtedly affect black people at disproportionate rates. - Furthermore, the association of "poverty" with black people tends to be used as a cudgel against even poor whites. Race and racial dogwhistles have been used to drum up support for policies and decisions that hurt all poor people, to the benefit of the wealthy. To give one example: Jim Crow poll taxes and literacy tests, while clearly aimed at preventing black people from voting, also excluded a lot of white people. Conclusions: - Given these things, I think those who would blame black people for their own circumstances, or talk about bootstraps as though that's all that's needed to find equal footing to be at best ignorant of the reality and at worst cynically exploiting "race-neutral" ideas to maintain the status quo. - I am not sure as to the best policy to solve these problems, and how targeted they should be. But as a general rule I support broadening and universalizing the social safety net via increased taxes on the wealthy. This may not close the gaps, but they can help to reduce the suffering faced by those on the wrong side of the gap.
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Balrog0 posted...
where do they say that? the closest I saw was: http://www.centerforsocialinclusion.org/about/ Founded in 2002, CSI’s mission is to catalyze community, government, and other institutions to dismantle structural racial inequity and create equitable outcomes for all. We craft and apply strategies and tools to transform our nation’s policies, practices, and institutions, in order to achieve racial equity. Balrog0 posted... like what kind of demands? https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ So far BLM has become brazen enough just for these types of demands, but if Zimbabwe and South Africa are any indication then it's just a slippery slope until property and wealth are seized through force and/or legislation. |
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Starts with an intellectually dishonest topic tittle
Follows it up with a defensive opening post Even with that, people answer his question by linking to websites that align with their views (thereby saving time typing it all out themselves) TC responds by demanding people put it in their own words...for reasons Joke topic
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Antifar posted...https://www.vox.com/2015/2/18/8051345/black-white-hispanic-wealth-gapMoreover, even saving a small nest egg can render a family ineligible for federal benefits. In some states, saving up just one or two thousand dollars makes a family ineligible for programs like welfare or SNAP. When policy makes saving money dangerous, it makes wealth-building into a bad thing — just the opposite of what low-income households need. And since the lowest-income Americans are more often minorities, this is one more factor that skews the nation's huge wealth gap. What's interesting is how the narrative on saving money and building wealth changes depending on whether or not the topic is about welfare. In this case, penalizing saving money and wealth building is deemed a bad thing. But in other cases saving money and building wealth are deemed bad things, to the point where some people advocate for a negative interest rate on savings accounts and higher taxes on passive investment. |
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Antifar posted...
- I am not sure as to the best policy to solve these problems, and how targeted they should be. But as a general rule I support broadening and universalizing the social safety net via increased taxes on the wealthy. s0nicfan posted... A lot (not all, but a lot) of hardcore advocates in this realm are effectively pushing for hard socialism bordering on full communism, and using this particular set of race issues as a vessel to make it happen. If you really dig into what policies are being proposed, the vast majority of them boil down to redistribution of wealth in perpetuity to black and brown people. Some, such as the BLM manifesto, go as far as to demand that the state effectively hand over policing to communities so they can self-enforce.
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pls posted...
http://www.centerforsocialinclusion.org/about/ yeah, I just quoted what they consider an equitable outcome. Do you think it would be bad for race to stop determining socioeconomic outcomes so strongly or something? pls posted... https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ so you don't think people want this education campaign, even though people in this topic are saying they do but one BLM person in missouri is indicative of everyone who talks about racial equity?
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Ammonitida posted...
And be sure to read more than just left-wing websites like Huffpost that ignore recent studies like this I mean, if you read the study they address this and hedge their bets. I don't recall ever basing anything on callbacks, though. Guess what, I also don't support ban the box initiatives or whatever else bakari sellers or van jones is selling on CNN.
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Balrog0 posted...
yeah, I just quoted what they consider an equitable outcome. Do you think it would be bad for race to stop determining socioeconomic outcomes so strongly or something? If the way that we implement that is by forcing outcomes to be equitable, then yes, that is immoral and would lead to the collapse of the entire country. There are good ways and bad ways to achieve honorable goals. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Balrog0 posted... so you don't think people want this education campaign, even though people in this topic are saying they do I think that a BLM leader is not just some random person in Missouri espousing their own wish list. This narrative is common throughout BLM and the left in general, as it is consistent with their ideals on wealth redistribution, wealth inequality, etc. We must always interpret the undertones of an ideology in light of the entire ideology. In this case, BLM falls into what we can probably agree is the left, and we know a lot more about what the left wants. They want much more than just an education campaign where white people "acknowledge" some original sin of whiteness. That's just a precursor. |
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Starts with an intellectually dishonest topic tittle |
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Balrog0 posted...
Ammonitida posted...And be sure to read more than just left-wing websites like Huffpost that ignore recent studies like this That's good, because in earlier studies of this nature, ban-the-box policies significantly increased racial and gender disparities in callbacks. |
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