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What's the liberal endgame on illegal immigration?

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tennisdude818 20 hours ago#1
For the sake of argument let's say you get everything you want in the following 2 areas.

1. As many current illegals as you like get citizenship

2. The path to legal immigration is made to be as smooth as you want

Would you finally be in favor of enforcing current border laws? Would you support deportations of new arrivals that haven't yet broken any laws besides immigration laws?
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darkjedilink 18 hours ago#2
No, they won't - that was the plan the LAST time.
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BignutzisBack 18 hours ago#3
Jiek_Fafn 18 hours ago#4
BignutzisBack posted...
They want the immigrant votes


This
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Glass_Phantom 18 hours ago#5
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.
Ultima Dragon 18 hours ago#6
Pretty sure they just want literal open borders where anyone can come and go as they please.
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XHJYFL 18 hours ago#7
Axiom 18 hours ago#8
Flood the country with illegals so they can vote a democrat in every single election

This is something morons actually believe
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BignutzisBack 18 hours ago#10
Axiom posted...
Flood the country with illegals so they can vote a democrat in every single election

This is something morons actually believe


You'd have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise, it's pretty cut-and-dry
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glitteringfairy  gun baiter17 hours ago#12
Axiom posted...
Flood the country with illegals so they can vote a democrat in every single election

This is something morons actually believe

OK then what it is?
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ZMythos 17 hours ago#13
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Are you suggesting that only white people should be in power?
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JohnLennon6 17 hours ago#14
The Democratic platform has been'f*** white people !' for a while now.
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weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#15
ZMythos posted...
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Are you suggesting that only white people should be in power?

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.
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Malcolm_Matar 17 hours ago#16
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.


Redhats love their white majority!
M_Live 17 hours ago#17
Glass_Phantom posted...
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

This would make the most sense
ZMythos 17 hours ago#18
weapon_d00d816 posted...

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.

Look at what he said. 

"minimize the population and power" 

You can't frame one side as being "anti white" without framing your own side as "pro white"
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M_Live 17 hours ago#19
Axiom posted...
Flood the country with illegals so they can vote a democrat in every single election

This is something morons actually believe

It's not
Malcolm_Matar 17 hours ago#20
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ZMythos posted...
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Are you suggesting that only white people should be in power?

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.


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A_Good_Boy 17 hours ago#21
BignutzisBack posted...
Axiom posted...
Flood the country with illegals so they can vote a democrat in every single election 

This is something morons actually believe


You'd have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise, it's pretty cut-and-dry

How do illegal immigrants cast votes?
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Antifar 17 hours ago#22
A_Good_Boy posted...
How do illegal immigrants cast votes?

They don't.
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weapon_d00d816 17 hours ago#23
ZMythos posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.

Look at what he said. 

"minimize the population and power" 

You can't frame one side as being "anti white" without framing your own side as "pro white"

What? You totally can though.
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A_Good_Boy 17 hours ago#24
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ZMythos posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted... 

That was dumb. 

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.

Look at what he said. 

"minimize the population and power" 

You can't frame one side as being "anti white" without framing your own side as "pro white"

What? You totally can though.

Are you really giving Addy the benefit of a doubt here?
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DezCaughtIt 17 hours ago#25
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

JohnLennon6 posted...
The Democratic platform has been'f*** white people !' for a while now.

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Piersons_Fox 17 hours ago#27
Free flowing freeloaders that vote for socialist ideologies.
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bevan306 17 hours ago#28
Antifar 17 hours ago#29
Deport slightly fewer people than Republicans and claim the mantle of compassionate
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Malcolm_Matar 17 hours ago#30
This is the same Admiral who earlier today said the Trail of Tears was justified and legitimate

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Piersons_Fox 17 hours ago#31
Antifar posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
How do illegal immigrants cast votes?

They don't.


They do in states that don't have voter ID laws or states that choose not to enforce them.
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Capn Circus 17 hours ago#32
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.
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A_Good_Boy 17 hours ago#33
"illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.
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A_Good_Boy 17 hours ago#34
Piersons_Fox posted...
Antifar posted...
A_Good_Boy posted... 
How do illegal immigrants cast votes? 

They don't.


They do in states that don't have voter ID laws or states that choose not to enforce them.

Gonna need a source on that.
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Zikten 17 hours ago#35
Glass_Phantom posted...
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

it even has it's own currency, the Amero
Conflict  refugee love block me17 hours ago#36
Malcolm_Matar posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
ZMythos posted...
The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Are you suggesting that only white people should be in power?

That was dumb.

Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.


i.imgur.com/QnOOLXF.png


C'mon dude. This is weak. I say that as someone who s***s on weapon_dude's posts all the time. It's old, he was a high schooler when he posted that, and he admitted it was dumb as hell.
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The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.


that scares you dont it?
Lonestar2000  ignores me17 hours ago#38
Glass_Phantom posted...
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

Because that worked out so well for Europe. What a terrible idea.
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Malcolm_Matar 17 hours ago#39
I've never seen weapon_dude speak in favor of rehabilitation before, so pardon me if I find it hard to believe he's changed his ways. Far as I can tell he's just better and covering them up.
A_Good_Boy 17 hours ago#40
Malcolm_Matar posted...
I've never seen weapon_dude speak in favor of rehabilitation before, so pardon me if I find it hard to believe he's changed his ways. Far as I can tell he's just better and covering them up.

He's definitely not the same person that posted that comment when he was still in high school, and I say that as a dude who regularly disagrees with him.
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Esrac 17 hours ago#41
It seems to me there are a couple shades. Some seem to want to weaken nation borders in general in opposition to nationalism. Some just want to be nice to brown people, regardless of legality or feasibility.
Glass_Phantom 17 hours ago#42
Lonestar2000 posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

Because that worked out so well for Europe. What a terrible idea.

Europe will be the torchbearer for the future... Developed nations with common, shared ideals of liberalism, democracy, and equality must integrate in order to provide a counterweight to Russian/Chinese authoritarianism. I don't know what future you foresee for the world if mankind doesn't eventually come together and unite, but the only picture I have in my head is an atomic wasteland.
Soviet_Poland 17 hours ago#43
Just in favor of DREAM act, as those people often were brought by parents when they were at a dependent age. We've already invested in their public school education and giving them a direct path to residency or citizenship upon completion of higher education or military service seems more feasible to get productive, tax-paying citizens rather than have potential talent fall through the cracks and continue to expend safety net resources.

Given their situation, deporting them back to their parents' home country seems f***ed up. Often these DREAMers spent more time in the U.S. than their home country and identify more with American culture and values. 

It's obviously a grey area, as it does "cut" in front of the process of people legitimately waiting for residency and might encourage parents to do so in order to at least give their children more opportunity. But otherwise you punish someone for "sins of the father" over something they had no autonomy over, expend more resources keeping them in limbo, and waste talent.

I'm not against immigration laws at all, but I also live in a state that has had a very controversial history with which they approached it. When you solicit papers from someone on the basis of their appearance, it's a slippery slope. Yes, now it's citizens vs non-citizens, but it really isn't a far step from a government deciding to enact discrimination like that across so many more levels in an authoritarian fashion. Sorry, eventually the police state you sic on everyone you consider outside of your ingroup, eventually there will be no one left to advocate for you when they decide to do the same to you. To me, that seems against Republican ideals and small government, but let's drop the act and stop pretending party lines have ever been about being congruent with ideology. It's always been a false dichotomy.

Immigration will never have a clean solution. Short of absolutely idiotic, extreme solutions like cutting off all immigration ever and putting up 50 ft walls and living inside what essentially amounts to a country-prison complex, you'll always have a subset that overstay visas or cross the border. Take some state's strategies--like Arizona, and you'll just create more strife and violence with the Gestapo-like strategy. Mass amnesty and you'll obviously just put a temporary bandage on the situation until illegal immigrant levels replenish to current levels.
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Capn Circus 17 hours ago#44
Glass_Phantom posted...
Lonestar2000 posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.

Because that worked out so well for Europe. What a terrible idea.

Europe will be the torchbearer for the future... Developed nations with common, shared ideals of liberalism, democracy, and equality must integrate in order to provide a counterweight to Russian/Chinese authoritarianism. I don't know what future you foresee for the world if mankind doesn't eventually come together and unite, but the only picture I have in my head is an atomic wasteland.


Lol.. people in Europe are getting thrown in jail for their criticisms of Muslims. About as authoritarian as you can get
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Soviet_Poland 17 hours ago#45
Capn Circus posted...
Lol.. people in Europe are getting thrown in jail for their criticisms of Muslims. About as authoritarian as you can get


It amazes me how drastic of propaganda people fall for.
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NINExATExSEVEN 17 hours ago#46
I'm not sure they even know the end goal but there are a few reasons that you hear. I'll list a some.

1: they want to open the border completely and make all illegals... Legal because they feel that it's the right thing to do.

2: some believe that open borders means that more people would come to America to work and boost the economy.

3: some really just do hate whites openly and want them to become a minority.

4: some have no problem with whites but believe that when there is no clear majority in America anymore, racism and inequality will disappear or at least will become much better.

5: some just hate America and want to see it fall due to the conflicts that open borders would cause with the unregulated flow of people.

Those are just some reasons. Not all liberals are the same and the extremists who call themselves liberals just to hijack the liberal platform are not worth taking seriously.
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MangaFan462 17 hours ago#47
Open borders / slumtowns everywhere 

All for more democrat votes
Ultima Dragon posted...
Pretty sure they just want literal open borders where anyone can come and go as they please.

Except they'd be a one way valve. Mexico and especially Canada are much stricter and more difficult to enter illegally. Canada... the place liberals "threaten" to inhabit.
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The Admiral posted...
Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

Way to not even hide your racism this time.

Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.
ThanksUglyGod 17 hours ago#50
Right now I'll settle for keeping DACA and not building a wall
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    Esrac 17 hours ago#51
    Soviet_Poland posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Lol.. people in Europe are getting thrown in jail for their criticisms of Muslims. About as authoritarian as you can get


    It amazes me how drastic of propaganda people fall for.


    To be fair, it does seem like a lot of Europe doesn't really have free speech protections and they can be fined or jailed for "hate speech" on social media. 

    Hell, that YouTuber Markus Meechan in Scottland is facing a possible sentence of up to a year in prison because he taught his girlfriend's pug to do a Nazi salute as a joke.
    Calculus 17 hours ago#52
    Nothing good.
    The Admiral 17 hours ago#53
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

    Way to not even hide your racism this time.

    Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.


    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

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    NurseRedHeart 17 hours ago#54
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    tennisdude818 17 hours ago#55
    ZMythos posted...
    weapon_d00d816 posted...

    That was dumb.

    Not that I particularly agree with Admiral but that was completely misrepresented.

    Look at what he said. 

    "minimize the population and power" 

    You can't frame one side as being "anti white" without framing your own side as "pro white"


    Does that work the other way around as well?
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    Antifar 16 hours ago#57
    The Admiral posted...
    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.
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    Dash_Harber 16 hours ago#58
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.
    tennisdude818 16 hours ago#59
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.


    OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?
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    The Admiral 16 hours ago#60
    Antifar posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.


    It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.
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    Dash_Harber 16 hours ago#61
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.


    OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?


    I'm not saying no borders. I'm not even arguing for or against the cause. I'm pointing out all research points to two things; firstly, both legal and illegal immigration tends to be a long term boon to the economy and despite short term difficulties, and secondly, people tend to integrate rather quickly.
    weapon_d00d816 16 hours ago#62
    The Admiral posted...
    Antifar posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.


    It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

    Exactly. It's literally just an intentionally opposite extreme to white nationalism.

    "We hate racists! What are we gonna do? More diversity! Why? Because...that's the opposite of what they would like! But what would it actually do? I'unno."
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    NINExATExSEVEN 16 hours ago#63
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    littlebro07 16 hours ago#64
    Glass_Phantom posted...
    I wouldn't mind seeing the United States, Canada, and Mexico join together in something akin to the European Union, with open borders and free flow of people from one country to another. If a border's to be enforced, the border with Guatemala would be easier to police (shorter), and federal legalization of marijuana would go a long ways toward quelling the cartels. It's politically unworkable until the drug war in Mexico is quelled though.


    This seems like a decent idea
    uwnim 16 hours ago#65
    We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.
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    darkjedilink 16 hours ago#66
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    "illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

    In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.
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    MadLaughter 16 hours ago#67
    I worked at the voting headquarters for one of the 10 largest cities in the US. Just because they don't ask for an ID at the door doesn't mean they don't verify the vote's validity in other ways.
    weapon_d00d816 16 hours ago#68
    uwnim posted...
    We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.

    "We should let big corporations have an endless supply of poor people".

    Yeah no, let's not. I'm all for free trade but a corporatocracy is not a free market.
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    uwnim 16 hours ago#69
    weapon_d00d816 posted...
    uwnim posted...
    We should abolish borders and let the free market decide where people will live and work.

    "We should let big corporations have an endless supply of poor people".

    Yeah no, let's not. I'm all for free trade but a corporatocracy is not a free market.


    Tbh, they almost already do. Either just move to where the poor live or have them smuggled in.
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    Darklit_Minuet 16 hours ago#70
    The Admiral posted...
    Antifar posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.


    It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

    I'm white and I have no problem with whites being in control. I just also have no problem with non-whites being in control
    darkjedilink 16 hours ago#71
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

    Then do it legally.
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    darkjedilink 16 hours ago#72
    MadLaughter posted...
    I worked at the voting headquarters for one of the 10 largest cities in the US. Just because they don't ask for an ID at the door doesn't mean they don't verify the vote's validity in other ways.

    How will you verify the validity of an illegal immigrant's vote when the address they give you is a UPS Store PO box they set up the week before?
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    weapon_d00d816 16 hours ago#73
    Darklit_Minuet posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    Antifar posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    I get that you're just here to get a rise out of people, but man, you know you'd never be this loose in ascribing racist motives to, well, any other policy.


    It is what it is in this case. The folks who are hard into open borders and allowing unbridled flows of illegals/refugees are basically the opposite of the white nationalists. Whereas the white nationalists think that western civilization is a uniquely white creation that can only be maintained by whites and is threatened by diversity, the anti-nationalist crowd believes the dominance of white culture in western civilization perpetuates white privilege and inherently results in oppression of minorities. Thus, anything that weakens the power of white people (and other traditional power groups) is a positive to them.

    I'm white and I have no problem with whites being in control. I just also have no problem with non-whites being in control

    But do you have a problem with the deliberate attempt to put non-whites in control for race reasons?
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    ColdOne666 16 hours ago#74
    More illegals/ poor immigrants, minorities means 2 things.

    1 is more votes for the Democrats.
    2 is to force down wages so the companies get richer.
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    A_Good_Boy 16 hours ago#75
    darkjedilink posted...
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    "illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

    In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

    That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.
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    NINExATExSEVEN 15 hours ago#76
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    darkjedilink posted...
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    "illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

    In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

    That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.


    True but it does mean that it can be used to cash in on illegal votes and nobody would know.

    During the election, didn't a video come out that showed democrats talking about how they bus illegals into different states to sway the votes?
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    A_Good_Boy 15 hours ago#77
    NINExATExSEVEN posted...
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    darkjedilink posted... 
    A_Good_Boy posted... 
    "illegal immigrants casting votes" is the salient criticism in this topic and none of you goobs are even capable of explaining how that's even possible.

    In Minnesota, you just need mail to a street address to register to vote. If an illegal immigrant doesn't want to give out an apartment address, they can just get a PO box at a UPS Store.

    That's a fact about how registration works in Minnesota. It's not a fact that illegal immigrants are swaying elections.


    True but it does mean that it can be used to cash in on illegal votes and nobody would know.

    During the election, didn't a video come out that showed democrats talking about how they bus illegals into different states to sway the votes?

    Why do you goons latch onto Project Veritas so hard?
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    Sami1000 15 hours ago#78
    In US, take whole country in

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    NINExATExSEVEN 15 hours ago#79
    Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady crap they do behind the scenes.

    Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.
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    A_Good_Boy 15 hours ago#80
    NINExATExSEVEN posted...
    Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

    Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

    *yawn
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    NINExATExSEVEN 15 hours ago#81
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    NINExATExSEVEN posted...
    Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes.

    Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

    *yawn


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    A_Good_Boy 15 hours ago#82
    NINExATExSEVEN posted...
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    NINExATExSEVEN posted... 
    Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes. 

    Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

    *yawn


    *wraps you in reality denying blanket*

    Sweet dreams.

    It's a blanket composed of Project Veritas still frames.
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    The Admiral posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

    Way to not even hide your racism this time.

    Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.


    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    #RegressiveLogic

    Except that's not what liberals want to do at all.

    That tin foil hat fits you well though rofl
    NINExATExSEVEN 15 hours ago#84
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    NINExATExSEVEN posted...
    A_Good_Boy posted...
    NINExATExSEVEN posted... 
    Because it's video evidence of people exposing the shady cheap they do behind the scenes. 

    Unless it was debunked it's a legit video.

    *yawn


    *wraps you in reality denying blanket*

    Sweet dreams.

    It's a blanket composed of Project Veritas still frames.


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    Platinum_Luigi 15 hours ago#86
    Open borders because your xenophobic if you think otherwise.
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    AmonAmarth 14 hours ago#87
    1)reduce white influence/power/etc
    2)more votes
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    CW_McGraw 14 hours ago#88
    Illegal immigration was at its lowest levels in decades in the last years of the Obama administration. Its sudden cropping up as the defining issue of the campaign was identity politics bulls*** to mobilize half wits around dog whistled white nationalism. My stance on illegal immigration is enforce the laws with the resources we already had allocated, as that seemed to be working. Illegal immigration is not a good thing, but if it's bad, it's among the least harmful and costly ills plaguing our country.
    EternalDivide 14 hours ago#89
    Votes. Same thing with the catholic church. At least locally here in SoCal. Everyone wants to pull out their violins and cry their bleeding hearts dry over it. But it's all about votes and money. Period. If you can wave a wand and make all the illegals legal voting residents then you in theory have life long generational democrat voters. Same with the church. If you're the ones making a show saying prayers for them and helping them with paperwork, feeding them and giving sermon after sermon week after week about god's children blah blah bs bs. They'll give money. 

    Anyone who says it's genuinely about the greater good and feelings is full of s***. It's votes(power) and money..
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    it all comes out itt. 

    admiral is a blatant white nationalist afraid of minorities taking away white peoples' power


    how f***in pathetic
    JohnLennon6 14 hours ago#91
    AlternativeFAQS posted...
    it all comes out itt. 

    admiral is a blatant white nationalist afraid of minorities taking away white peoples' power


    how f***in pathetic

    If that's what you get from his posts then I feel bad for you.
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    Annihilated 13 hours ago#92
    ColdOne666 posted...
    More illegals/ poor immigrants, minorities means 2 things.

    1 is more votes for the Democrats.
    2 is to force down wages so the companies get richer.


    But that's okay since we can just hike up the minimum wage to a million dollars per hour and kill the few jobs people are able to get, making people dependent on left wing government to survive.
    Dash_Harber 11 hours ago#93
    darkjedilink posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

    Then do it legally.

    Because they do it illegally just for s***s and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?
    darkjedilink 8 hours ago#94
    Dash_Harber posted...
    darkjedilink posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

    Then do it legally.

    Because they do it illegally just for s***s and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?

    It's literally easier to become a legal citizen in America than Canada or Mexico.
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    Dash_Harber 7 hours ago#95
    darkjedilink posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    darkjedilink posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.

    Then do it legally.

    Because they do it illegally just for s***s and giggles? I mean, if it were that easy, why would anyone try to do it illegally?

    It's literally easier to become a legal citizen in America than Canada or Mexico.

    And what the f*** does that have to do with what we are talking about? Way to move the f***ing goal posts.
    hockeybub89 7 hours ago#96
    The Admiral posted...
    sktgamer_13dude posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    Their end goal is to minimize the population and power of whites in the U.S.

    Way to not even hide your racism this time.

    Though, you are the same person who called for more ethnic and racial profiling, so I shouldn't be too surprised.


    TIL: Calling out racist motives is racist

    #RegressiveLogic

    I heard seeing racism everywhere is what liberals do. Admiral is liberal confirmed.
    tennisdude818 6 minutes ago#97
    Dash_Harber posted...
    tennisdude818 posted...
    Dash_Harber posted...
    You don't need an endgame. All research points to immigration actually being a huge boon to the economy and, shockingly, people who aren't treated like monsters actually tend to integrate really quickly.


    OP included the condition that legal immigration would be as smooth as you want. So even under that condition you don't want borders?


    I'm not saying no borders. I'm not even arguing for or against the cause. I'm pointing out all research points to two things; firstly, both legal and illegal immigration tends to be a long term boon to the economy and despite short term difficulties, and secondly, people tend to integrate rather quickly.


    This is a dodge. You are just arguing for more immigration, but immigration laws exist under the assumption that eventually some amount of immigration is too much too fast. Unless you think it would be great for the country if we imported all of Somalia.
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