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Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?

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Metro2 5 hours ago#1
Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people? - Results (162 votes)
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Flasbangs 5 hours ago#2
Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.
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FrenchCrunch 5 hours ago#3
of course
NurseRedHeart 4 hours ago#4
They shouldn't be mistreated but they should accept that most people are very uncomfortable and dismissive of the concept.
salandrews 4 hours ago#5
Flasbangs posted...
Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP 4 hours ago#6
I accept them, but I don't go out of my way to be supportive for them, not any more or less than anyone else.
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averagejoel 4 hours ago#7
NurseRedHeart posted...
They shouldn't be mistreated but they should accept that most people are very uncomfortable and dismissive of the concept.

by "accept" do you mean they should do nothing about it?
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Vicious_Dios 4 hours ago#9
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John_Galt 4 hours ago#11
Vicious_Dios posted...
Can I be honest? <_<

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Ilishe 4 hours ago#12
ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...
I accept them, but I don't go out of my way to be supportive for them, not any more or less than anyone else.


This.
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wah_wah_wah 4 hours ago#13
On this issue I am a bit of a left wing heretic. I have serious concerns as to whether surgery can actually make someone into a woman, or a woman into a man. It might make the underlying pathology much worse.
fusespliff 4 hours ago#14
Kinda. I'm in the same boat as Chapelle.
"Cool that you can be who you want to be, but to what extent do you expect me to participate?"

I mean, an obvious dude with stubble wearing a dress is still a dude wearing a dress to me, no matter what self image he might have. Like that one topic months back about that weirdo with the blue wig whining because he wasn't allowed to use the ladies' room.
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ssj3vegeta 4 hours ago#15
Metro2 4 hours ago#16
^That trans-age thing is an entirely different subject.
fusespliff 4 hours ago#17
ZombiePelican 4 hours ago#18
To an extent, so long as they don't act like being trans makes them god's gift to mankind or above criticism of any kind, and yes I have met people like this irl
Conflict  refugee love block me4 hours ago#19
averagejoel posted...
NurseRedHeart posted...
They shouldn't be mistreated but they should accept that most people are very uncomfortable and dismissive of the concept.

by "accept" do you mean they should do nothing about it?


Apparently. Like they should just do nothing and accept that people aren't going to be comfortable with them being... themselves?

I don't know this is the type of stupid s*** that's responsible for their high suicide rate. You don't have to bend your back to support them, just accept them as people and treat them like you would anyone else. Boom. Problem solved.
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NurseRedHeart 4 hours ago#21
averagejoel posted...
NurseRedHeart posted...
They shouldn't be mistreated but they should accept that most people are very uncomfortable and dismissive of the concept.

by "accept" do you mean they should do nothing about it?


Basically they need to tolerate others
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averagejoel 4 hours ago#24
NurseRedHeart posted...
averagejoel posted...
NurseRedHeart posted...
They shouldn't be mistreated but they should accept that most people are very uncomfortable and dismissive of the concept.

by "accept" do you mean they should do nothing about it?


Basically they need to tolerate others

so acknowledging their humanity is, to you, dependent on them being civil with people who refuse to ackowledge their humanity?
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muchdran 4 hours ago#27
CatataFish462 4 hours ago#28
Hell no.
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glitteringfairy  gun baiter4 hours ago#29
salandrews posted...
Flasbangs posted...
Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.
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fusespliff posted...
Kinda. I'm in the same boat as Chapelle.
"Cool that you can be who you want to be, but to what extent do you expect me to participate?"

I mean, an obvious dude with stubble wearing a dress is still a dude wearing a dress to me, no matter what self image he might have. Like that one topic months back about that weirdo with the blue wig whining because he wasn't allowed to use the ladies' room.


Pretty much this. I accept the rights of transgender people and they can be who they want to be.

But now that they have rights, I expect them to act in accordance to at least the bare minimum of social norms.

If they try to force me to find them attractive, or if they decide to dress like goth kids, I'll treat them as such.
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WhinyZach 3 hours ago#31
I'm accepting, but not really supportive.
omega cookie 3 hours ago#32
I can't vote. I just don't care about them, at all. Let them swap genders, s*** wherever they want, doesn't effect me in the slightest. On the flip side though, I also don't care if people think they are freaks either*. I have my own s*** to worry about, I don't give a single half of a whole f*** about your cause. Do what you need to do, but leave me alone.


*Note: That doesn't mean I'm fine with them getting murdered or killing themselves over it. Big difference between thinking that a guy getting his meat lopped off is weird and driving them to suicide or killing them.
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Ranmaru-7 3 hours ago#33
Nope. And I'm not accepting or supportive of gay people either.
Ranmaru-7 posted...
Nope. And I'm not accepting or supportive of gay people either.


Good to qualify that so I know you're complete garbage, and not just out of touch.
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Romulox28 3 hours ago#35
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refmon 3 hours ago#36
Shadowstrike007 posted...
No it's a mental illness issue so I am sympathetic to them but that's it.
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The Wheelman1 3 hours ago#37
I don't care really. It's their life and they can live it however they want. It doesn't affect me.
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Conflict  refugee love block me3 hours ago#38
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
fusespliff posted...
Kinda. I'm in the same boat as Chapelle.
"Cool that you can be who you want to be, but to what extent do you expect me to participate?"

I mean, an obvious dude with stubble wearing a dress is still a dude wearing a dress to me, no matter what self image he might have. Like that one topic months back about that weirdo with the blue wig whining because he wasn't allowed to use the ladies' room.


Pretty much this. I accept the rights of transgender people and they can be who they want to be.

But now that they have rights, I expect them to act in accordance to at least the bare minimum of social norms.

If they try to force me to find them attractive, or if they decide to dress like goth kids, I'll treat them as such.


I don't think you're going to come across a whole lot of people who try to 'force you' to find them attractive lol.
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kingdrake2 3 hours ago#39
Flasbangs posted...
Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.


gotta be careful on this, people get modded if they step over one critical line :(.
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Medz1206 3 hours ago#40
I am fine with people who can not accept themselves for who they are. None of my business
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faizan_faizan 3 hours ago#41
I would never discriminate against anyone for no reason, I would have no trouble befriending them if we liked the same things, basically like any other human being, but I don't see the concept of being trans as a rational one. Now being intersex is totally different, it's physical, real, and its potentially negative social effects are substantial, I would hold its severity to the same level as being paraplegic, amputees or other conditions that significantly, physically affect our bodies. I absolutely support anyone who falls under this category.
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Funkydog  question him ALWAYS2 hours ago#42
Sure, why wouldn't I? What they do doesn't affect other people directly, and if it makes them happier then more power to them?
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COVxy 2 hours ago#44
Acceptance is not the same thing as not actively discriminating.

Seems like a ridiculous thing that needs to be pointed out.
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Godnorgosh 2 hours ago#45
wah_wah_wah posted...
On this issue I am a bit of a left wing heretic. I have serious concerns as to whether surgery can actually make someone into a woman, or a woman into a man. It might make the underlying pathology much worse.


The surgery itself doesn't change your gender; that's a misconception. It treats gender dysphoria. Gender is socially constructed and hence can't be affected via medical intervention. A transwoman is a transwoman whether or not sex reassignment surgery takes place.
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MuayThai85 2 hours ago#47
I'm indifferent. I see and interact with trans people everywhere almost daily). I also have a MtF friend. It doesn't bother me but I also don't understand it.

I don't think I'd be happy if my own child was trans though. It might take me a while to accept it but I'd definitely not try to encourage it.
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RE_expert44 2 hours ago#48
Seems ridiculous that some idiots are still bothered by trans people existing
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Not really. I feel transgender's are just homosexuals who need more attention.

I support gay marriage and equal rights fully. But chopping off your donger, I don't agree with. I thinkt he surgery should be illegal actually. It's not even proved to increase the happiness, as far as I know the suicide rate remains the same even after the surgery.
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    EdgeMaster 4 hours ago#51
    They can do whatever they please and I won't bug them.

    What ruffles my feathers is when they act as if it's normal and I should accept it and carry a picket sign next to them.
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    Mist_Turnips 4 hours ago#52
    No. I grew out of playing along with make believe after I was 5. This country is sad.
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    Mist_Turnips posted...
    No. I grew out of playing along with make believe after I was 5. This country is sad.

    And yet you believe in god.
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    EdgeMaster 4 hours ago#55
    Mist_Turnips posted...
    No. I grew out of playing along with make believe after I was 5. This country is sad.


    Lol. Even when playing make believe I came home to a little tikes fortress with my wife making dinner after being an astronaut, firefighter, or cowboy that day.
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    --kresnik-- 4 hours ago#56
    Flasbangs posted...
    Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.
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    --kresnik-- 4 hours ago#57
    I treat individuals how they treat me. With that said, I'm not in favor of any kind of special treatment. I'm strongly against using government funds to pay for this, under ANY circumstances.
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    Metro2 4 hours ago#58
    ^Healthcare shouldn't discriminate. Trans people want to live happy healthy lives just like anyone else.
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    Mist_Turnips 4 hours ago#59
    LightningAce11 posted...
    Mist_Turnips posted...
    No. I grew out of playing along with make believe after I was 5. This country is sad.

    And yet you believe in god.

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    BarneyBosco 4 hours ago#61
    I'm fine with some LGBT people. A lesbian couple I work with have normal kids between them. A gay guy I know, his son (14) claims he's gay like his dad and the daughter (12) claims to be trans. They both live with him because the mother is a deadbeat (as far as I am told). But because of people like him it makes me reject the whole thing altogether, especially since it has become a fad. I see so many gay and trans kids running around when all they need is proper parenting.
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    WizardPowers 4 hours ago#62
    Kind of. You wanna transition as an adult then I'll be nice and accepting.

    You want to give small children drugs so they can transition just because "well I clearly remember what I thought about gender at that age so it'll be good for them" is where I'll tell you to f*** off
    MuayThai85 4 hours ago#63
    Metro2 posted...
    ^Healthcare shouldn't discriminate. Trans people want to live happy healthy lives just like anyone else.


    I consider it cosmetic and the government shouldn't cover cosmetic surgery.
    How can one person post so much stupid s***?
    Brother_Gilbert posted...
    I'll support them if they believe Jesus is their savior.


    lol what is this silliness?
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    MuayThai85 posted...
    Metro2 posted...
    ^Healthcare shouldn't discriminate. Trans people want to live happy healthy lives just like anyone else.


    I consider it cosmetic and the government shouldn't cover cosmetic surgery.


    Given the suicide rates pre- and post-transition, it's lifesaving surgery, not cosmetic.
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    Conflict  refugee love block me4 hours ago#66
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    Bullet_Wing 4 hours ago#67
    MuayThai85 posted...
    I consider it cosmetic

    Your opinion
    MuayThai85 posted...
    and the government shouldn't cover cosmetic surgery.

    True. Fortunately, the people in power don't share your opinion that it's cosmetic.
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    ThanksUglyGod 4 hours ago#68
    Well I'm not a s***ty person, so yes.
    LinksLiege 4 hours ago#69
    Ultimately I'm not going to do anything against anyone regardless of my feelings so, whatever. Having said that -

    Everything I've heard, seen, and read on gender dysphoria leads me to believe there is biological legitimacy to MtF and FtM transgender people, so I have zero objections there. My skepticism lies with things outside of that, because I haven't seen any good arguments for things like bigender, agender, gender-fluidity, etc. beyond "That's how they feel." That's a poor reason to accept it without question; some people are insane and feel like they're something they plainly aren't, like a dog or a chair or something. I want concrete biological reasoning. Like I said though, I'm not going to harass them about it because, in the end, it doesn't affect me.
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    Yeah. I don't have any reason not to be.
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    DreadedWave 4 hours ago#71
    Literally no reason not to be.
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    nemu 3 hours ago#73
    Yes, they should be allowed to exist as they are, and laws should exist to protect their rights. I'm fine with whatever surgery they want on a personal level, but I'm not really sure if it's something that should medically recommended as a treatment. I'm not fine with the people who want to redefine gender and sex to suit a minority view and bash anyone who goes against it. Transgender people should not be allowed to play any segregated professional sport under their identified gender, as that undermines the entire point of segregating by gender. There is nothing wrong with those who would date transgenders, but the minority of people acting like any regular straight/gay person should just include such people in their dating pool because "they are what they say they are" is just silly.
    _Squirtle_ 3 hours ago#74
    CircleOfManias posted...
    Given the suicide rates pre- and post-transition, it's lifesaving surgery, not cosmetic.


    if the suicide rates are basically the same after, it's not life saving tho
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    Ex-Kefiroth posted...
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    ThanksUglyGod posted...
    Well I'm not a s***ty person, so yes.
    Kineth  BLM sympathizer3 hours ago#78
    Yes. Hung out with my TG friend yesterday.
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    Ex-Kefiroth 3 hours ago#80
    _Squirtle_ posted...
    CircleOfManias posted...
    Given the suicide rates pre- and post-transition, it's lifesaving surgery, not cosmetic.


    if the suicide rates are basically the same after, it's not life saving tho

    Did he say they were the same?
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    BarneyBosco 3 hours ago#81
    Ex-Kefiroth posted...
    _Squirtle_ posted...
    CircleOfManias posted...
    Given the suicide rates pre- and post-transition, it's lifesaving surgery, not cosmetic.


    if the suicide rates are basically the same after, it's not life saving tho

    Did he say they were the same?

    Well, he implied them to be better by bringing up pre and post transition then claiming the surgery as being life saving. Did you have a point?
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    _Goggalor_ 3 hours ago#83
    Sure. I know a guy from HS (formerly female). He's pretty cool about it.
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    Eevee-Trainer 2 hours ago#84
    Seems ridiculous that some idiots are still bothered by trans people existing
    Maybe I'll put something here one day.
    Depends on what you mean by "accept".

    I don't agree with treating Transpeople as special snowflakes that must be granted special rights and must be immune and protected from criticism. So no, I do not "accept" them.

    Seems ridiculous that some idiots are still bothered by trans people existing


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    RE_expert44 2 hours ago#86
    BarneyBosco posted...
    Ex-Kefiroth posted...
    _Squirtle_ posted...
    CircleOfManias posted...
    Given the suicide rates pre- and post-transition, it's lifesaving surgery, not cosmetic.


    if the suicide rates are basically the same after, it's not life saving tho

    Did he say they were the same?

    Well, he implied them to be better by bringing up pre and post transition then claiming the surgery as being life saving. Did you have a point?

    I thought suicide rates actually increased after getting a sex change.
    Medussa 2 hours ago#87
    RE_expert44 posted...
    I thought suicide rates actually increased after getting a sex change.


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    jborgan 2 hours ago#88
    Yes. The majority of transgender people are reasonable and want to be treated like the average person should be treated: with respect. They don't demand special treatment or demand that you be attracted to them.

    They just don't want to be treated like some 5 year old living out a fantasy. That's so insulting. The people that feel the need to mention that stuff don't really seem to get it.
    rexcrk 2 hours ago#89
    I honestly don't care either way.

    My philosophy is that anyone can do whatever they want as long as they aren't harming anyone (especially me ;P)
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    Callixtus 2 hours ago#90
    I am accepting of the fact that they are innocent people suffering from a mental disorder and support the best options to counsel and treat them.
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    --kresnik-- 2 hours ago#91
    No.
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    MortimerBrewstr posted...
    I'd say no just because my general attitude about people is ambivalence.

    You have strong contradictory feelings toward most people?
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    --kresnik-- posted...
    I treat individuals how they treat me. With that said, I'm not in favor of any kind of special treatment. I'm strongly against using government funds to pay for this, under ANY circumstances.



    --kresnik-- posted...
    No.


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    --kresnik-- posted...
    I treat individuals how they treat me. With that said, I'm not in favor of any kind of special treatment. I'm strongly against using government funds to pay for this, under ANY circumstances.



    --kresnik-- posted...
    No.


    You forgot to log into an alt :thinking:


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    Sayoria 2 hours ago#96
    Wow, nearly half of CE are s***heads.
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    Esrac 1 hour ago#97
    I don't know that "accept and support" is the right way to put it for me.

    I accept them, in the sense that I acknowledge hormone therapy treatments and cosmetic surgery are probably the most effect methods of treating them that we currently have and they shouldn't be especially abused or discriminated against for it.

    But I think we should still look for other treatments that fix whatever is wrong in their brains that's effecting the way they feel about their bodies.
    Sayoria 1 hour ago#98
    Esrac posted...
    I don't know that "accept and support" is the right way to put it for me.

    I accept them, in the sense that I acknowledge hormone therapy treatments and cosmetic surgery are probably the most effect methods of treating them that we currently have and they shouldn't be especially abused or discriminated against for it.

    But I think we should still look for other treatments that fix whatever is wrong in their brains that's effecting the way they feel about their bodies.

    You people supporting brainwash make me sick.
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    The majority of transgender people are reasonable and want to be treated like the average person should be treated: with respect.


    Respect is earned, you are not entitled to be respected.

    They don't demand special treatment or demand that you be attracted to them.


    Really?

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/trans-man-believes-heterosexual-males-who-reject-him-sexually-are-prejudice

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/17419/apparently-youre-deeply-transphobic-if-you-dont-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal
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    Kineth  BLM sympathizer1 hour ago#100
    Not so f***ing cool having people speak flippantly about your f***ing identity, is it?
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      Yeah, in the way that I don't really give a damn. Why on Earth should I have a problem with them?
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      lderivedx 59 minutes ago#103
      Yes.

      I don't see why any decent human wouldn't be.
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      OmegaPillow 52 minutes ago#104
      I have no problems with homosexuals , transgender etc. It's a life they live and want to live . Life is short, you don't need to like it but at least respect them , they're humans too. "Genderless" on the other hand . ..
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      SamsungGearS2  attack for money49 minutes ago#105
      I guess? 

      Idgaf what you do with your life, gender change or not. Just don't be a f***ing snowflake about it. I do agree that trans should focus on fixing mental issues first before going through with it. Some trans have unrealistic expectations on how they look when they get older imo
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      jborgan 49 minutes ago#106
      EdwardoMario16 posted...
      The majority of transgender people are reasonable and want to be treated like the average person should be treated: with respect.


      Respect is earned, you are not entitled to be respected.


      Everybody is entitled to be respected. It's common courtesy. Respect is given until a person behaves in a way where they are no longer deserving of that respect.

      They don't demand special treatment or demand that you be attracted to them.


      Really?

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/trans-man-believes-heterosexual-males-who-reject-him-sexually-are-prejudice

      http://www.dailywire.com/news/17419/apparently-youre-deeply-transphobic-if-you-dont-amanda-prestigiacomo#exit-modal


      Two irrational people means that the entire transgender population is. Got it.
      Lordsai 31 minutes ago#107
      Accepting: Yes
      Supportive: No
      Dyinglegacy 25 minutes ago#108
      "Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?"

      I accept that they exist, and I won't attempt to hinder their existence.

      Do I support them? Not in the sense of rallying at trans marches, or anything like that. 

      Now, would I date a transwoman? Well, no, because I'm married. 

      If I wasn't married?

      Maybe. She'd have to be fully transitioned, post op AND completely feminine in appearance/attitude. Basically, she'd have to be indistinguishable from a woman who was born a woman.

      If that idea makes me transphobic, which it doesn't, then oh well.
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      Sayoria 23 minutes ago#109
      Dyinglegacy posted...
      "Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?"

      I accept that they exist, and I won't attempt to hinder their existence.

      Do I support them? Not in the sense of rallying at trans marches, or anything like that. 

      Now, would I date a transwoman? Well, no, because I'm married. 

      If I wasn't married?

      Maybe. She'd have to be fully transitioned, post op AND completely feminine in appearance/attitude. Basically, she'd have to be indistinguishable from a woman who was born a woman.

      If that idea makes me transphobic, which it doesn't, then oh well.


      No, it doesn't make you transphobic and anyone who says otherwise is a jerk.
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      Nazanir 23 minutes ago#110
      Flasbangs posted...
      Not really. Not against them, but I don't care enough to be supportive.
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      The Admiral 19 minutes ago#111
      Accept them? Yes
      Think they should be treated with respect? Yes
      Want to see a society that doesn't look down upon them or ostracize them? Yes

      Think long-standing societal traditions should be re-written for them? No
      Think kids in elementary school need to be given lectures on transgenders? No
      Think we should ignore biological differences and expect heterosexual people to be attracted to them? No
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      --kresnik-- 17 minutes ago#112
      Zero_Destroyer posted...
      --kresnik-- posted...
      I treat individuals how they treat me. With that said, I'm not in favor of any kind of special treatment. I'm strongly against using government funds to pay for this, under ANY circumstances.



      --kresnik-- posted...
      No.


      You forgot to log into an alt :thinking:


      I didn't contradict myself. I never claimed to treat people differently because of being transsexual, but you don't have to agree with something to be polite about it.
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      NINExATExSEVEN 13 minutes ago#113
      A lot of you are stating that being transgender is a mental illness. Do you guys have any solid scientific proof to prove that claim?

      And don't post links from partisan websites.
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      ehhwhatever 11 minutes ago#114
      It is kinda hard to accept them when I am scared of them. I also am scared of other things.
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