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https://newrepublic.com/article/144797/hillary-clinton-doesnt-get
In the first hundred pages of What Happened, Hillary Clinton writes that she decided to run for office during a vacation with the designer Oscar de la Renta and that when she lost she received an invitation from George W. Bush to get burgers. These bookends are an early sign that there is something amiss in this much-anticipated tell-all of the 2016 campaign, which attempts—and fails—to offer a diagnosis of how Clinton lost an election to the most unqualified and most loathed presidential candidate in modern history. These anecdotes suggest a fatal lack of awareness, an inability to see that she and her party may have grown out of touch. To the contrary, she says. She was the victim of forces beyond her control. Journalists, Russia, Bernie Sanders: These are a few of her least favorite things. Trump is Clinton’s principal villain, which is correct and sensible. But she also casts Bernie Sanders in a major supporting role. From the book, you’d never know that Sanders diligently campaigned for Clinton or that he has since fulfilled promises to work with the Democratic Party as it struggles to rebuild itself. When she does mention Sanders, it is to attack him; she reserves about one paragraph, midway through the book, for his positive qualities. The Sanders of What Happened is a caricature who insists on “free ponies” for all and who forces her to occupy “the unenviable role of schoolmarm” by running to her left. “What did matter, and had a lasting impact, was that Bernie’s presence in the race meant that I had less space and credibility to run the kind of progressive campaign that had helped me win Ohio and Pennsylvania in 2008,” she asserts. This is revealing revisionism. On most issues, Clinton ran to the right of Barack Obama in the 2008 campaign and presented herself as a champion of more conservative, white working class voters. She boasted of having the support of “white Americans,” and her campaign engaged in several instances of race-baiting. She ditched that strategy when trying—and ultimately failing—to reassemble the Obama coalition in 2016. In terms of appealing to progressive voters, it would appear that Clinton got in her own way as much as Sanders did.
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She treats her party’s broader left wing similarly. Clinton dedicates an entire section of the book to “Idealism and Realism.” In it, she tries to set herself up as the wise, canny politician to Sanders’s street-preaching fool, a contrast she uses to indict progressives who have clashed with her. When Black Lives Matter activists interrupt a campaign event with criticisms of her husband’s infamous 1994 crime bill, she meets with them—and concludes they just don’t understand what they’re talking about. They “didn’t want to talk about developing a policy agenda,” she complains. “One was singularly focused on getting me to accept personal responsibility for having supported policies, especially the crime bill that my husband signed in 1994, which he claimed created a culture of mass incarceration.”
That characterization, she insists, is “oversimplified beyond recognition.” She adds, “Unfortunately, the only way to pass the law was to also include measures that congressional Republicans demanded.” She makes similar excuses for her husband’s welfare reform bill, which deepened extreme poverty in the United States and perpetuated the Republican notion of an undeserving poor. “Finding the right balance between principle and pragmatism can be hard,” she explains. “Bill and I both believed that change was needed to help more people get the tools and support to transition from welfare to work, including assistance with health care and child care. But Republicans in Congress were determined to rip up the social safety net.” Don’t worry, though. The Clintons “lay awake at night, talking it over.” She goes on. “Bernie Sanders attacked me for raising money from people who worked in finance,” she later complains. She also accuses Sanders of violating a pledge to avoid personal attacks: “Bernie routinely portrayed me as a corrupt corporatist who couldn’t be trusted.” If attacks on the political establishment’s ties to Wall Street are out of bounds, then Clinton may need to change her definition of “progressive.” This was an election conducted in the midst of a populist swell, with the country still feeling the effects of a catastrophic recession that had been caused by the insane greed of financiers. Would it be unreasonable to ask that Clinton actually reckon with Sanders’s accusations? But Hillary Clinton must have her scapegoat. Bernie Sanders did this, Bernie Sanders did that. Above all, Bernie Sanders had the audacity to be mad about American inequality. All of this is exacerbated by the book’s proud one percent vibe. Long before she gets to the crime bill, she informs us that her campaign once partied in the Hamptons with Jimmy Buffet because “sometimes we just needed to have fun.” (Jon Bon Jovi and Paul McCartney reportedly “danced under the stars.”) She describes her “glam squad” in detail, well before before she tries to explain how she allowed Trump to destroy the Democratic firewall in the Midwest. She doesn’t mention the unpaid prison labor that kept her and Bill “well fed and taken care of” during their time in the Arkansas governor’s mansion, but she does tell us that Anna Wintour recommended her make-up artist.
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I like this article
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Yes why didn't she mention the prison labor that was only made a big deal after the election. That was the real cause! Also why didn't she spent pages giving a glowing review of Bernie!
Lol. The article was trash. Her book isn't that good so far. Only about 50 pages in. She's pretty repetitive and doesn't seem to be really talking about her faults too much. She also mentions in the book it was Obama that pushed her to run...so idk where this Oscar de la Rena stuff is about. |
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Ok, so Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because something something.
What are the excuses for Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Ben Carson, and Marco Rubio? |
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Also why didn't she spent pages giving a glowing review of Bernie! Intentionally misreading the article, she is blaming Bernie for her own faults, like being way too cozy with wallstreet and corporate interests, and is mad that he rightfully called her out. And of course you bought her book, you would have. Hillary Clinton is the democrats most 1 percenter candidate ever, and that's a large part of why she lost. She felt entitled to a presidency, and couldn't understand why so many to the left or her didn't and still don't like her.
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What Happened or: How you all need to shut up because T'was Her Turn.
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Ok, so Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because something something. Well, a part of that was the DNC having news agencies give Trump free publicity.
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Also I love how I'm attacked for having her book and actually critiquing it from a user who has no intention of reading the source material Why would I want to give money to Hillary?
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Ok, so Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because something something. Look at that list of candidates from the right. Do you see ANY of them as better than Trump? Trump is a snake oil salesman, and most of voting America has the attention span of a guppy when it comes to politics. Trump entertained them by telling them what they wanted to hear.
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Alucard188 posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...Ok, so Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because something something. Literally all of them are better than Trump. Ted Cruz being the worst of the bunch, but even he is better than Trump if only marginally. And I didn't list Johnson / McAfee / Stein because they actually have pretty valid excuses. The system isn't rigged against Bernie, it's rigged against 3rd parties. |
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Paper_Okami posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...Also I love how I'm attacked for having her book and actually critiquing it from a user who has no intention of reading the source material Go to the library. |
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https://twitter.com/LanaDelRaytheon/status/908032188003713025
"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Ok, so Hillary Clinton lost to Trump because something something. The only people of those that had a chance were Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, I don't think the Republican party supported Rand Paul's policies and Marco Rubio sort of floundered after America had cozied up to Trumps antics
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https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160
Also this she is shameful
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Paper_Okami posted...
https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160 Sheryl Sandberg? Would be better if you can see in context what the statement is saying. |
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Paper_Okami posted...https://twitter.com/Julie_Johnsoned/status/907749881779036160 There is no context that can cover up what she was saying. She is a hypocrite who says she was subject to sexist attacks (she is right that she was, but critiques of her policies are not sexist) and then proceeds to agree with a statement that young women have no mind of their own and vote for who their husband or boyfriends tell them to. Gloria Steinem said this during the primary and was rightfully dragged for it. And known War criminal Madeline Albright called out women who didn't stand with Hillary.
"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Also Hillary took about as much money as Obama, Related: Obama's Justice Department never prosecuted the massive financial crimes that took place during the crisis. And plenty of people criticized Obama when he went right back to the speaking circuit post-presidency.
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Antifar posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...Also Hillary took about as much money as Obama, There is a very interesting book on that, that I have yet to read called The Chickens*** Club.
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Paper_Okami posted...
Antifar posted...CruelBuffalo posted...Also Hillary took about as much money as Obama, Heard good things about that. Charles Ferguson's Predator Nation is also good.
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Are Bernie sanders, the campaign he ran or his supporters allowed to be criticized in any way, by anyone? Ever? I'm honestly curious There are legitimate criticisms to be made of Sanders' campaign; but these specific ones about him being some sort of spoiler, unfairly maligning Clinton, are wrong.
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Also, lol at white liberal journalists taking any route they can to avoid addressing the overt racism that led to trumps election...but that might mean calling out that racist aunt or grandfather at the thanksgiving table and they can't have that. Much easier to attack Hilary for having the audacity to write a book and sell it
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Are Bernie sanders, the campaign he ran or his supporters allowed to be criticized in any way, by anyone? Ever? I'm honestly curious Yes, but not by BS mischaracterizations of his policies. She literally compares Healthcare for all in that book, to everybody getting a f***ing pony. Yeah, because people need ponies to live. Most critiques of Sanders have to with it being "unrealistic" just calls to stay with the status quo and for incremental change, because people haven't suffered enough.
"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
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Antifar posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...Are Bernie sanders, the campaign he ran or his supporters allowed to be criticized in any way, by anyone? Ever? I'm honestly curious What legit criticisms are those?
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Also, lol at white liberal journalists taking any route they can to avoid addressing the overt racism that led to trumps election...but that might mean calling out that racist aunt or grandfather at the thanksgiving table and they can't have that. Much easier to attack Hilary for having the audacity to write a book and sell it There have been MANY left journalists who have indeed said racism played a part in the election of Trump, but it certainly wasn't the whole part. Trump won several states that Obama won in both elections, which is telling in and of itself. in the article itself: She correctly notes that well-funded right-wing actors have spent years weakening American democracy, and that a racist backlash to Barack Obama%u2019s presidency dogged her campaign and strengthened Donald Trump. Also Hillary's campaign subjected OBama to many attacks with underlying racism in the 2008 Primary.
"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
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FrisbeeDude posted...
What legit criticisms are those? - His campaign did a very poor job of getting its message across to black people. Supporters who talked about them "not voting in their best interests" did not help matters. - Relatedly, he wrote off the southern states in the primaries, and sufffered huge defeats that maybe could have been minimized - He took too long to develop a coherent foreign policy message, and allowed that area to be framed in terms of Clinton's expertise and experience. Even now, he could stand to be more anti-imperialist in his foreign policy To name a few.
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Things I've seen sanders be above reproach to:
His overall campaign philosophy The political practicality of his campaign goals His age His appeal to minority voters His similarity in voting record to Clinton His actual wealth The sometimes hostile nature of his supporters His descion to run as a democratic despite not officially one
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- His campaign did a very poor job of getting its message across to black people.
I've posted topics here and on 261 talking how minorities within sanders own campaign party complained about his lackluster strategy to courting minority support, only to be rebuffed with old civil right photos and "Goldwater girl" jokes Supporters who talked about them "not voting in their best interests" did not help matters. Again, ask any sanders supporter about this and they'll claim the DNC brought it on themselves Relatedly, he wrote off the southern states in the primaries, and sufffered huge defeats that maybe could have been minimized "Low information Hilary supporters." - He took too long to develop a coherent foreign policy message, and allowed that area to be framed in terms of Clinton's expertise and experience. Even now, he could stand to be more anti-imperialist in his foreign policy This I agree with
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FrisbeeDude posted...
His overall campaign philosophy What is wrong with his campaign philosophy ? What he wants are a given in pretty much every civilized country Only three or 4 years older than Clinton Nobody is saying he did enough to court minority voters, but as of now his poll ratings with POC are extremely high and he did the best among young people of all races, genders, etc. The small differences in the voting record are actually huge disparities between the two Clinton has SIGNIFICANTLY more wealth than he does, Bernie is not the only one who has had problematic supporters, Hillary supporters have constantly attacked Bernie supporters particularly female ones I can give plenty of examples of this. Who cares about this? The 2 party systems give no chance to third party candidates.
"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
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What's so hard to get about people not wanting a typical politician because they keep lying. Sure maybe Trump is a salesman and maybe he is foolish on certain things. But there was a choice once Bernie lost.
Guaranteed same old s***. Or at least take a chance with someone who might be different but if he's not then same old s***. Trust me Hillary being president would be bad in different ways. We'd already be at war with Russia and Syria. Probably the middle east again as well. She does things for her financial backers. That's the one thing people really didn't want. Hence the interest in Bernie and Trump. Why is this so hard to get? Because people think politicians go in with the goal of actually helping people. They don't. They never f***ing will. People gotta get that it's a horse and pony show.
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lilJoe457 posted...
What's so hard to get about people not wanting a typical politician because they keep lying. Sure maybe Trump is a salesman and maybe he is foolish on certain things. But there was a choice once Bernie lost. Let's get this f***ing straight right here ANYBODY who voted for Trump because Bernie lost, didn't believe in Bernie's vision in the first place. The only things Bernie and Trump have alike are that they were seen as outsiders. Bernie is completely the opposite of Trump.
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Paper_Okami posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...His overall campaign philosophy See what I mean?
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Paper_Okami posted...FrisbeeDude posted...His overall campaign philosophy I literally gave you responses. And you give me nothing. A none response if you will. You attempt to win the argument by giving me nothing to argue against. It's a f***ing strawman. You have not even attempted to refute anything I, or that article said. So the question is, why even respond at all? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nina-turner-our-revolution-president-from-democrat_us_595a4413e4b0c85b96c66373 gets articles like this and Keith Ellison gets called an anti-semite, and do members of the democratic establishment even flinch? No https://twitter.com/MikeyAmman/status/857595343369781248 whole thread about Hillary Supporters racism https://extranewsfeed.com/poll-disproves-bernie-bro-myth-c38c876f8d05
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Hillary Clinton is such a turd. I mean such a slimy, nasty turd. She'll never come to terms with the basic fact that people didn't like her. It wasn't Comey. It wasn't gremlins from the Kremlin. It wasn't Sanders. It wasn't even anything Trump did.
She has baggage. She's shady. She had no message. She had no platform. She had no vision. It was just "her turn". That was it. And for all Trump is and isn't. People would rather have him there than her. End of story.
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EternalDivide posted...
It was just "her turn". Why do you (and others like you) keep pushing this "her turn" narrative on Clinton when it was never a part of her campaign? Hillary's slogan wasn't "It's her turn," it was "I'm with her." There's evidence that "her turn" was itself pushed by Russia's propaganda arm. Yet here you are quoting Russian propaganda ("her turn") and mistakenly attributing it to Hillary Clinton's campaign, and in the same breath denying that they had their hooks into you. |
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Glass_Phantom posted...There's evidence that "her turn" was itself pushed by Russia's propaganda arm. Yet here you are quoting Russian propaganda ("her turn") and mistakenly attributing it to Hillary Clinton's campaign, and in the same breath denying that they had their hooks into you.
maybe they pushed it, but the idea of it at least is documented in that shattered bookHe would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.EternalDivide posted...Hillary Clinton is such a turd. I mean such a slimy, nasty turd. She'll never come to terms with the basic fact that people didn't like her. It wasn't Comey. It wasn't gremlins from the Kremlin. It wasn't Sanders. It wasn't even anything Trump did.
She has baggage. She's shady. She had no message. She had no platform. She had no vision. It was just "her turn". That was it. And for all Trump is and isn't. People would rather have him there than her. End of story.
Yeah, people would rather have Trump than Hilary! Why, he even got negative four million more votes than her!XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilversGlass_Phantom posted...There's evidence that "her turn" was itself pushed by Russia's propaganda arm.
It didn't stop her supporters from unironically using it if that is true.You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8Antifar posted...https://twitter.com/tinyrevolution/status/908020973311537152
I saw that, I don't even know what to say anymore."Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
"Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenziehttps://twitter.com/CNN/status/908143376838656000
JFC"Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman
"Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzieAntifar posted...CarlGrimes posted...
It didn't stop her supporters from unironically using it if that is true.
I genuinely don't recall this happening.
I. don't think it happened much with regular people, especially after the memes or w/e, but it was a thing some prominent supporters said at least as test balloons
Also lol @ that interview wowHe would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor.Paper_Okami posted...https://twitter.com/CNN/status/908143376838656000
JFC
Couple things in this:
1. People will ignore Anderson pushing back and say CNN slurps Hillary
2. Her answer is stupid and makes her rightfully look bitter
Easier to just say. Bernie is doing a great job pushing our party to be more progressive, but I feel he can do more to explain the positives of some of our Democratic colleagues. I hope he decides to join our party rather than remain independent and helps to continue fight for other progressive candidates.
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