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Cuz what Americans really needed, was a militarized Police force.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-local-police-forces-surplus-military-equipment-executive-order-obama-a7915961.html How's that swamp draining comin' along now fellas?
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Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years.
My local sheriff's office bought a small surplus APC about six years ago, as well as bomb detection equipment and armor. What is with this trend of people finding the idiotic s*** governments have been doing for years and blaming it on Trump?
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That good 'ol Republican Small Gov't at work again....
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
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How is that supposed to help in terrorist attacks!? If anything that would make more on the account that people only really resort to terrorism when they don't have enough power or money to directly confront their opponent safety without being dominated.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Why do some of these areas need an APC for? It's just a way to squeeze extra money out of defense contracts
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Wouldn't having all these toys give the police incentive to, "try them out"?
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feudel posted...
infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. I never said they did. It's stupid as f***ing hell unless you are on the border and deal with the cartels or something similar. I imagine the average deputy would even fit into an APC or standard military armor - most of the ones in my area are 50 lbs away from chasing speeders on Rascal scooters. The point is that Trump is not "allowing this" - it has been going on for years, since GWB at least after 9/11.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Probably because there's an active push in this administration.
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infinitys_7th posted...
feudel posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Obama put limits on what equipment police could buy, Trump is removing those limits.
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infinitys_7th posted...
What is with this trend of people finding the idiotic s*** governments have been doing for years and blaming it on Trump? Probably because a lot of people didn't really pay attention until Trump was elected. They're uninformed about the actions and policies of previous administrations and assume that things like selling old military equipment to local police departments is a frightening new transgression, when it's been "business as usual" for quite some time now. What's truly frightening is that the neo-Nazis and Antifa groups clashing violently around the country will give the police just the excuse they need to play with their fancy new toys, and that the average American citizen will be happy for them to do it. The stage for a police state has been set. All we need now is for the morons of the alt-right and regressive left to keep up their public violence, and citizens will flat-out demand a police state.
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itcheyness posted...
infinitys_7th posted...feudel posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. His limits let them buy an APC in East TN, as I mentioned. IIRC they also bought several surplus drones as well. I'm not buying that he stopped this by any appreciable amount. Whatever he put in place must have had loopholes the size of an airplane hanger.
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itcheyness posted...
infinitys_7th posted...feudel posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. And there is the central problem. We have a manchild president.
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divot1338 posted...
itcheyness posted...infinitys_7th posted...feudel posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. I would love to see what those limits actually changed if a podunk sheriff's department could still buy a f***ing APC and zoom around gravel roads in it.
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divot1338 posted...
itcheyness posted...infinitys_7th posted...feudel posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. who has a burning loathing of President Barack Obama. Trump cannot even comprehend the idea that a Black person can have access to and achieve the American dream. he still thinks all Black folks live in "the inner city," like this is 1983.
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infinitys_7th posted...
His limits let them buy an APC in East TN, as I mentioned. IIRC they also bought several surplus drones as well. 6 years ago you said, he only put the limits on in 2015. The limits were for things like APCs and grenade launchers.
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Cops seem happy with this.
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Okay
- Weapons. I really doubt that they'd use the same ammo and using the same rifles / pistols would be quite impractical... However using the "last gen" weapons is a great idea to save money and there is no harm in using ex-military ammunition to train. - Anything else they buy will only make them more safe or more effective. APC, Armour, Gadgets you name it... What is the problem with that? Would you be "less afraid" of a police force using WW1 tools? - Police state. You 'muricans have no idea about it. Until the state asks you to hand in your guns (something a lot of people already advocate for) and the first curtained cars without license plate show up you didn't taste it.
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infinitys_7th posted...
His limits let them buy an APC in East TN, as I mentioned. IIRC they also bought several surplus drones as well. What your sheriff bought 6 years ago doesn't matter since these limitations were put in place in 2015. |
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itcheyness posted...
infinitys_7th posted...His limits let them buy an APC in East TN, as I mentioned. IIRC they also bought several surplus drones as well. I need to look at the specifics of the EO. I know the drones were recent purchases (last couple of years).
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infinitys_7th posted...
Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Hmmm, maybe because Obama changed the program and now Trump is undoing it? Just a simple f***ing thought, as it was right there is the f***ing article. |
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Russian Rocket posted...
infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Still happened under Obama. Why not fix it earlier than 2015?
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What does that have to do about you whining that people are blaming Trump for his own actions?
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Why are Republicans so insistent that we become a fascist police state?
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Russian Rocket posted...
What does that have to do about you whining that people are blaming Trump for his own actions? Those same people likely never b****ed about it in the 14 or so years it was happening before.
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lilORANG posted...
Why are Republicans so insistent that we become a fascist police state? Because if we don't, then the left antifa violent rioter protester traitors will turn us into a fascist police state!
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Nothing wrong with repurposing gear and vehicles that would otherwise be scrapped or discarded for use by police. Unless you all suddenly lover government waste.
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Well it is surplus gear, too much of it has been produced for the military market and now the government is trying redistribute it to save it from being scrapped or sold to foreigners.
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lilORANG posted...
Why are Republicans so insistent that we become a fascist police state? How about ANTIFA and BLM stop burning down cities, stop attacking innocent people and stop attacking police? Oh wait, you don't care about any of that.
MAGA.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Russian Rocket posted...infinitys_7th posted...Uh, yeah, they have been doing this for years. Because police weren't abusing tanks until 2015, when they started rolling them out en masse against unarmed protestors. Jesus f***ing christ. How many times have you been dropped on your head to not understand nuances such as reactive policies?
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Rubber bullets and tasers are enough in most cases...maybe a sound cannon in extreme cases.
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mystic belmont posted...
Wouldn't having all these toys give the police incentive to, "try them out"? This is the problem, yes. On one side, cheeto padons an openly racist sheriff, sending the message that racism will be tolerated (or perhaps even encouraged) On the other side, he gives PDs new toys they will be itching to try out. What could go wrong? He's no idiot, he knows exactly what he's doing. |
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SamuelHayden posted...
mystic belmont posted...Wouldn't having all these toys give the police incentive to, "try them out"? He's also on record sayings cops should rough up their suspects. The fact of the matter is, a police force is supposed to be a part of a community, just men and women doing their jobs no different than Baker Bob or hairdresser Liza. It's not some occupying extraneous force that roves the streets searching for wrongdoers so it can flex its muscles. |
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lilORANG posted...
roves the streets searching for wrongdoers so it can flex its muscles. That's exactly what the police are supposed to do. Not only respond to crime but proactively prevent crime. Hence patrolling neighborhoods, detective work, etc.
MAGA.
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TheHonorableOne posted...
lilORANG posted...roves the streets searching for wrongdoers so it can flex its muscles. driving through a neighborhood is not the same thing as actively seeking somone to harass. If they happen upon a crime in progress, by all means stop it. Don't go out of your way to ruin someone's day when there's no evidence of crime. |
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fftstudent posted...
Cuz what Americans really needed, was a militarized Police force. As opposed to men becoming women? Is that what America needs? In any case, the swamp draining is coming along fine my dear liberal friend. Unfortunately, the media still hasn't been punished quite enough... |
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Charismic Zach Gowen posted...
tanks I've never seen a single police department with tanks...
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AssTank posted...
Charismic Zach Gowen posted...tanks These very tank-like armored transports can reasonably be classified as "not tanks"...    ... but you can't say the same for good old Sheriff Joe's little fascist-wagon:   
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LOL that is so classic. He just HAD to put war on drugs on the side.
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Now I have seen my first tank owned by a police department.
The first three are APCs. They are a different class of armored vehicle.
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They actually called one of those 'The Peacemaker'.
Jesus...we f***ing love violence.
I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.
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AssTank posted...
Now I have seen my first tank owned by a police department. Yes they are, but it still begs the question as to why a city police department would need an APC in the first place. In what scenario would a slow-moving, tread-driven APC be more useful for city police than an armored SWAT van with wheels designed to drive on streets?
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Isn't the country become less violent? There's less crime being committed? What's the point besides wasting tax payer money?
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LawnNinja posted...
Actually the APC is probably better for the city streets. More space for equipment, better armor, and honestly they're not that slow. You have to think most modern APCs can go about 50 to 60 miles an hour. So can most modern tanks for that matter.
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LawnNinja posted...
AssTank posted...Now I have seen my first tank owned by a police department. riots, they swap the turrets for non-lethal arms and just spray down the protestors from safety.
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Trump to allow Law Enforcement to purchase surplus military gear
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