Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as "antifa" had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as "domestic terrorist violence," according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.
Since well before the Aug. 12 rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned deadly, DHS has been issuing warnings about the growing likelihood of lethal violence between the left-wing anarchists and right-wing white supremacist and nationalist groups.
Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that "anarchist extremists" were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of "the capitalist system," racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI.
After President Donald Trump's election in November, the antifa activists locked onto another target %u2014 his supporters, especially those from white supremacist and nationalist groups suddenly turning out in droves to hail his victory, support crackdowns on immigrants and Muslims and to protest efforts to remove symbols of the Confederacy.
Those reports appear to bolster Trump's insistence that extremists on the left bore some blame for the clashes in Charlottesville and represent a "problem" nationally. But they also reflect the extent that his own political movement has spurred the violent backlash.http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235
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Good post, Greg. That's settles it, then.
"I don't get mad. I am better than you. All members of antifa are better humans than you." - YourAlt
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#3
--kresnik-- posted...
Good post, Greg. That's settles it, then.
Thanks. There never should have been any doubt.
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No kidding. Anyone thinking this group is better than the alt-right protesters has their head up their ass.
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I mean that's pretty obvious. The problem is linking Antifa to the nebulous "left". The problem is extremism.
Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene
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They're typically the people at large protests wearing almost all black clothing with hoodies on, bandanas on their faces, and wearing backpacks with throwing rocks. For the most part quiet until the end of the day when they start taking over the protests to riot. They used to proudly call themselves anarchist.
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#7
The Admiral posted...
No kidding. Anyone thinking this group is better than the alt-right protesters has their head up their ass.
Basically. Don't get me wrong, I recognize the alt-right have shown to be instigators as well and have no issue with condemning the trash that are neo-Nazis, but Antifa and its ilk have been going crazy since Trump won the primary. NadYobWoc posted...
I mean that's pretty obvious. The problem is linking Antifa to the nebulous "left". The problem is extremism.
Extremists are definitely a problem with both sides of the spectrum. I'd say a big contribution to this is labeling anyone on the right as a Nazi. iPhone_7 posted...
They're typically the people at large protests wearing almost all black clothing with hoodies on, bandanas on their faces, and wearing backpacks with throwing rocks. For the most part quiet until the end of the day when they start taking over the protests to riot. They used to proudly call themselves anarchist.
Yup. Screaming how hateful Nazis are while waving communist flags.
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#8
@YourAlt @Antifar @justaguy3492 What say you, there, fuzzy britches?
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It's okay because they're on the left
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@YourAlt is banned? Whoa, what happened?
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Anyone care to think that the reason the white supremacy movement is growing all of a sudden is because idiots are joining it because they generalize antifa onto other non-white people?
I'm confident if antifa didn't exist there wouldn't be nearly the amount of neo-neo-nazis in 2017.
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I thought this was obvious. You may not agree with whatever these "alt-right" people are having rallies for but they are not the ones causing the violence. Let them have their rally and then they will go away with out trouble but no these antifa people have to show up and start fights.
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fenderbender321 posted...
@YourAlt is banned? Whoa, what happened?
He just kept melting down and flaming me. I don't think I actually saw what got him banned, though. His aggression was just not right.
"I don't get mad. I am better than you. All members of antifa are better humans than you." - YourAlt
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Quicksilver posted...
I thought this was obvious. You may not agree with whatever these "alt-right" people are having rallies for but they are not the ones causing the violence.
Let them have their rally and then they will go away with out trouble but no these antifa people have to show up and start fights.
Not to mention give the alt-right a platform when the dumb media inevitably covers it. There's probably an alt-right rally going down right now in Whogivesaf***, Alabama but since antifa didn't show up the media isn't covering it and the alt-right loses.
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--kresnik-- posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
@YourAlt is banned? Whoa, what happened?
He just kept melting down and flaming me. I don't think I actually saw what got him banned, though. His aggression was just not right.
Damn...somebody has to know. Maybe he said something in the dispute form.
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Hi_Rihanna posted...
There's probably an alt-right rally going down right now in Whogivesaf***, Alabama but since antifa didn't show up the media isn't covering it and the alt-right loses.
Just the contrary; dozens of alt-right rallies have been cancelled following the negative coverage they received in Charlottesville and the outnumbering they saw in Boston https://www.gq.com/story/america-first-rallies-canceled-because-protests-work
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Antifar posted...
Hi_Rihanna posted...
There's probably an alt-right rally going down right now in Whogivesaf***, Alabama but since antifa didn't show up the media isn't covering it and the alt-right loses.
Just the contrary; dozens of alt-right rallies have been cancelled following the negative coverage they received in Charlottesville and the outnumbering they saw in Boston
https://www.gq.com/story/america-first-rallies-canceled-because-protests-work
That's actually really good. Surprised at this.
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Wow! Good on politico! This is bad news for Trump supporters that have been dependent on liberal media doubling down on how sweet and innocent the far left is. The moderate left distancing themselves from the far left is going to be a devastating blow to conservatives for the next election cycle.
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#19
Antifar posted...
Hi_Rihanna posted...
There's probably an alt-right rally going down right now in Whogivesaf***, Alabama but since antifa didn't show up the media isn't covering it and the alt-right loses.
Just the contrary; dozens of alt-right rallies have been cancelled following the negative coverage they received in Charlottesville and the outnumbering they saw in Boston
https://www.gq.com/story/america-first-rallies-canceled-because-protests-work
You mean right wing rallies advocating free speech that specifically spokw out against neo-Nazis were cancelled due to Antifa violence. Speaking of which, your thoughts on the OP?
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fenderbender321 posted...
@YourAlt is banned? Whoa, what happened?
I marked damn near everything he posted, because damn near everything he posted was inflammatory or derogatory.
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Piersons_Fox posted...
devastating blow to conservatives for the next election cycle.
Lol
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John_Galt posted...
Piersons_Fox posted...
devastating blow to conservatives for the next election cycle.
Lol
Honestly, yeah. Trump supporters have rightly hung their hat on the safety of the radical left pushing away appeal. For months the moderate left was afraid to disavow their actions and it continued to drive people away. Antifa is a gift to the right, and the moderate left being bedfellows with them was just more icing on the cake. If the moderate left continues down the path of logic and reason it's going to be bad news bears for conservative interests come next election.
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#23
It is a pleasant surprise seeing that he is banned.
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Duh this has been obvious since the beginning.
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violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
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averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
So, you're arguing that suckerpunching people just because they might disagree with you is a GOOD thing?
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(Topic Creator)2 days ago#27
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
Welp, thanks for confirming to be a troll.
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darkjedilink posted...
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
So, you're arguing that suckerpunching people just because they might disagree with you is a GOOD thing?
if they disagree with the idea that ethnic cleansing is bad, then yes, absolutely
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averagejoel posted...
if they disagree with the idea that ethnic cleansing is bad, then yes, absolutely
you missed his key point though "they MIGHT disagree". your saying its ok to just assume people are racist and sucker punch them. That is what antifa does. they look at a person and just decide that person is their enemy with no proof, and then attack them with violence. they have hurt innocent people before. I heard of a story where someone had a red hat on, but it wasn't Make America Great Again. it was just a red hat, and they attacked them. Antifa is out of control
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Still far better than the alt right neo nazis by miles
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CADE FOSTER posted...
Still far better than the alt right neo nazis by miles
"but the alt right"
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" CADE FOSTER posted...
Still far better than the alt right neo nazis by miles
"but...but...Nazis"
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Quicksilver posted...
I thought this was obvious. You may not agree with whatever these "alt-right" people are having rallies for but they are not the ones causing the violence.
Let them have their rally and then they will go away with out trouble but no these antifa people have to show up and start fights.
Why would violent white supremacists go away if left alone? This implies they advocate genocide for attention and not because they are racist piles of s***. Sure, we shouldn't respond with violence, but you can't just be a doormat for that s***. It doesn't deserve an unchecked platform, nor does it have a right to such. Silence is not the solution.
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hockeybub89 posted...
Why would violent white supremacists go away if left alone?
because it's happened for decades. for decades most of the time people ignored them. and they rarely did anything. now SJW's are feeding them attention and it's making them grow
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Zikten posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Why would violent white supremacists go away if left alone?
because it's happened for decades. for decades most of the time people ignored them. and they rarely did anything. now SJW's are feeding them attention and it's making them grow
They could try not being white supremacists. I don't buy someone else causing those extreme beliefs. Getting bullied in school or something can make you less comfortable around certain groups. But there is no excuse for advocating genocide. There are no places to spread blame to for that. This is also bulls*** because these types of people pop up any time they feel their "white culture" or f***ed up interpretation of Christianity is threatened. It's not SJWs' fault for that. People may react to them poorly, but they cause their own anger by being s***ty, hateful people. Stop being a doormat.
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Tryhaptaward posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...
Still far better than the alt right neo nazis by miles
"but the alt right"
just using the republicans own strategy against them
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averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
Yeah, this is well put. There's not a non-violent politics to be found; it's a question of which violence is deemed to be acceptable and "normal" and which is ruled out of bounds.
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(Topic Creator)1 day ago#39
Antifar posted...
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
Yeah, this is well put. There's not a non-violent politics to be found; it's a question of which violence is deemed to be acceptable and "normal" and which is ruled out of bounds.
This isn't well put at all. I swear you look more and more like a troll with each Antifa discussion you partake in.
You and I both know...you sleeping with Jamal.
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Antifar posted...
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
Yeah, this is well put. There's not a non-violent politics to be found; it's a question of which violence is deemed to be acceptable and "normal" and which is ruled out of bounds.
Karl Marx would agree.
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(Topic Creator)17 hours ago#41
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/berkeley-mayor-calls-antifa-classified-142519108.htmlBerkeley Mayor Jesse Arreguin has called for authorities to tackle left-wing violence by classifying members of antifa, the loosely organized group of “anti-fascists” who believe that violence is acceptable in countering right-wing extremism, as a gang.
A largely peaceful demonstration in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Civic Center Park was disrupted Sunday by black-clad antifa counterprotesters, who jumped over police barriers and chased Trump supporters, according to multiple news reports.Hell yeah. This is amazing.
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voldothegr8 posted...
"CADE FOSTER posted...
Still far better than the alt right neo nazis by miles
"but...but...Nazis"
People who believe that other people don't even deserve to exist are inherently violent.
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darkjedilink posted...
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
So, you're arguing that suckerpunching people just because they might disagree with you is a GOOD thing?
Something being necessary doesn't automatically make it a "good" thing.
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The Admiral posted...
Karl Marx would agree.
Is this meant to be an insult?
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why is it necessary to sucker punch people who may be on your side? everyone keeps dodging the issue here. you don't KNOW if they are nazis are not. I am talking about walking up to someone, glancing at them and then deciding "that's a nazi" without even talking to them, and then attacking them with no proof
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antifascist action, no matter how extreme, is inherently non-instigatory since they are reacting to fascist violence
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GregShmedley posted...
Antifar posted...
averagejoel posted...
violence is unpleasant, but sometimes necessary. fetis***ation of non-violence doesn't help when the status quo, despite being rife with state violence (systemic racism, policies that hurt the poor, etc), is defined as peaceful
Yeah, this is well put. There's not a non-violent politics to be found; it's a question of which violence is deemed to be acceptable and "normal" and which is ruled out of bounds.
This isn't well put at all. I swear you look more and more like a troll with each Antifa discussion you partake in.
"I don't get mad. I am better than you. All members of antifa are better humans than you." - YourAlt
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averagejoel posted...
antifascist action, no matter how extreme, is inherently non-instigatory since they are reacting to fascist violence
ok so how about this 3 nazis are eating in a restaurant. they are just talking amongst themselves, but they have swastika tattoos. Suddenly 30 Antifa swarm into the building, alerted silently over social media by one Antifa who was dining there and saw the Nazis. he arranged for everyone to gather. The Antifa all have knives and baseball bats and crow bars. they descend on the trio of nazis and beat and stab them to death and then walk away. someone screams "stop them! they just murdered those people!" and one of the antifa calmly replies back over their shoulder "it's ok. they were nazis. chill bro!" how would you feel and which side would you be on?
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Zikten posted...
why is it necessary to sucker punch people who may be on your side? everyone keeps dodging the issue here. you don't KNOW if they are nazis are not. I am talking about walking up to someone, glancing at them and then deciding "that's a nazi" without even talking to them, and then attacking them with no proof
Remember that time antifa jackasses attacked one of their buddies after his mask fell off? Sprayed him with pepper spray and smashed him in the face with a skateboard? Hilarious.
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Zikten posted...
averagejoel posted...
antifascist action, no matter how extreme, is inherently non-instigatory since they are reacting to fascist violence
ok so how about this
3 nazis are eating in a restaurant. they are just talking amongst themselves, but they have swastika tattoos. Suddenly 30 Antifa swarm into the building, alerted silently over social media by one Antifa who was dining there and saw the Nazis. he arranged for everyone to gather. The Antifa all have knives and baseball bats and crow bars. they descend on the trio of nazis and beat and stab them to death and then walk away. someone screams "stop them! they just murdered those people!" and one of the antifa calmly replies back over their shoulder "it's ok. they were nazis. chill bro!"
how would you feel and which side would you be on?
Nazism needs to be eradicated by any means necessary. I'm not going to condemn killing nazis just because the people doing it were being rowdy in a restaurant Nazism is inherently violent, regardless of any action. if someone subscribes to that ideology, they are instigating. but aside from that, if someone has a swastika tattoo, they're probably armed and dangerous. they also probably wouldn't be welcome at most restaurants, meaning that any other patrons are probably also armed and dangerous.
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