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The EU is forcing Sweden to end its border controls on November 12th.

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BalanceLost 1 week ago#1
The Swedish PM introduced them in November 2015 and they made immigration numbers drop like a rock. Now the EU is demanding their removal by November 12th since they violate the EU law of free movement within the EU.

Support for the controls here in Sweden is high so this could lead to a decrease in positive attitude toward the EU.
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PoopPotato 1 week ago#3
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years
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scar the 1 1 week ago#6
It'll be interesting to see this play out. I don't know much about the appeal process, but I would think that Sweden could try and make their case in an EU court that since a lot of other EU countries didn't honor their refugee agreements, borders had to be closed.
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Newhopes 1 week ago#7
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


Probably well before that.

Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.
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Awesome 1 week ago#8
how about they say no and leave the EU? make a statement that they wont let their citizens get killed.
Mist_Turnips 1 week ago#9
RIP Sweden
Gone the way of Germany.
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Ilishe 1 week ago#10
Awesome posted...
how about they say no and leave the EU? make a statement that they wont let their citizens get killed.


That's not as simple as you think.
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voldothegr8 1 week ago#12
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

Generous estimate
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gunplagirl 1 week ago#13
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

People have said this since it formed
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s0nicfan 1 week ago#16
The entire eastern bloc has border controls in place and none of them are planning on changing it. If the EU wants to make this the hill they die on, that's fine by me, but you're more likely to see a breakway union forming than you are all these nations suddenly falling in line.
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JE19426 1 week ago#17
snesmaster40 posted...
This is why Brexit happened.


How so?
Sativa_Rose 1 week ago#18
It's funny how Angela Merkel gets to pick and choose when EU law gets followed. Like how she was just able to declare that EU law was no longer going to be followed when it came to the "refugees" and the law about them having to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach.
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s0nicfan 1 week ago#21
JE19426 posted...
snesmaster40 posted...
This is why Brexit happened.


How so?


Too much EU control being asserted over a nation's dominion. A full 30% of the UK's laws are EU laws. They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries. Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country. All these things combined make people in the UK feel like their nation was being taken away from them, and that led to the rebellion that was Brexit.
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scar the 1 1 week ago#22
s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol
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s0nicfan 1 week ago#23
scar the 1 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol


That probably is a silly sentence when divorced from the context of everything else I said.
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Annihilated 1 week ago#24
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


I'll give it 8.
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


Hey, you're on CE man, where everyone is an expert about everything everywhere in the world and to where admit you may not be informed as others is a sign of weakness.
s0nicfan 1 week ago#27
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

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BalanceLost posted...
Support for the controls here in Sweden is high so this could lead to a decrease in positive attitude toward the EU.

Good.
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voldothegr8 1 week ago#29
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Just like how non Americans think they're experts about our government and s*** on Trump like he's their leader.
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JE19426 1 week ago#30
s0nicfan posted...
They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries.


That totally false. All EU countries have access to each others fishing grounds. They all have a limited specific amount they can fish but they are no limits on where they fish.

Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country.


How so?
Yeah being able to discern that trump is a s***head is def the same as offering expert opinion on supposed no go areas in europe and the mindset of individual european people
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s0nicfan 1 week ago#32
JE19426 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries.


That totally false. All EU countries have access to each others fishing grounds. They all have a limited specific amount they can fish but they are no limits on where they fish.

Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country.


How so?


To the first point, being told they can't fish in their own waters isn't entirely different from being told they can't catch as much fish as they want because other countries get a share too. My point was more their territorial waters had been divvied up, but I was incorrect on to what extent.

To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Yet anyone who is for this is automatically an expert on the subject, eh dork?
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voldothegr8 posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Just like how non Americans think they're experts about our government and s*** on Trump like he's their leader.
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JE19426 1 week ago#35
s0nicfan posted...
To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing.


Except for the fact that it's untrue. The UK isn't a member of the Schengen Area and is largly free to limit immigration from non-EU countries. Other EU countries are unhappy about that but unable to do much to stop it.
Mist_Turnips posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Yet anyone who is for this is automatically an expert on the subject, eh dork?

God you people are bad at this
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scar the 1 1 week ago#37
s0nicfan posted...
scar the 1 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol


That probably is a silly sentence when divorced from the context of everything else I said.

No, it's a silly sentence even within that context :)
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Nazanir 1 week ago#38
voldothegr8 posted...
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

Generous estimate

As an EU resident, I agree.
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mattnd2007 1 week ago#39
US has its problems. But thank god we aren't beholden to the EU. f*** the EU
go join the "expletive not allowed" nazis then. you "expletive not allowed" psycho- Spudger 01/15/17
scar the 1 1 week ago#40
mattnd2007 posted...
US has its problems. But thank god we aren't beholden to the EU. f*** the EU

I'd rather have the EU's problems tbh.
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Newhopes posted...
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


Probably well before that.

Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.

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Parappa09 1 week ago#42
The Great Muta 22 posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


Hey, you're on CE man, where everyone is an expert about everything everywhere in the world and to where admit you may not be informed as others is a sign of weakness.

this is so f***ing true
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


I base most of my statements regarding the EU and Sweden specifically on the conversations I've had with my Swedish friends, and I've always been open about that.
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ROBANN_88 1 week ago#44
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off?

though, i suspect the politicians wouldn't do that even if he could.
FLUFFYGERM 1 week ago#45
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world
s0nicfan 1 week ago#46
FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world


It was only ever meant to be a trade union. I'm still not 100% sure how it went from that to asserting control over the continent.
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JE19426 1 week ago#47
ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.
FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
ROBANN_88 1 week ago#49
JE19426 posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.


if this was a few years ago i might have said that we probably should, but after the absolute s***show that is Brexit, it's clear that that would cause even more problems.
s0nicfan 1 week ago#50
ROBANN_88 posted...
JE19426 posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.


if this was a few years ago i might have said that we probably should, but after the absolute s***show that is Brexit, it's clear that that would cause even more problems.


What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.
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    JE19426 1 week ago#51
    s0nicfan posted...
    What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.


    The EU doesn't need throw the UK under the bus. The UK is jumping under it, all on their free will.
    Seems fair

    When you join a union with no internal border controls, don't have internal border controls

    That's the rules
    s0nicfan 1 week ago#53
    JE19426 posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.


    The EU doesn't need throw the UK under the bus. The UK is jumping under it, all on their free will.


    So when the EU says things like “Welcome to hell” at the negotiating table, as well as promising to “teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means”, or calling it an “an educational process” for the UK... when they say there are "extremely serious consequences" for leaving, none of that comes off as throwing the UK under the bus?

    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow. You can make all the comments you want about Brexit, but you'd have to be either grossly uninformed or intentionally obtuse to ignore the open threats the EU has been making.
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    s0nicfan posted...
    you'd have to be either grossly uninformed or intentionally obtuse


    to have voted for Brexit
    JE19426 1 week ago#55
    s0nicfan posted...
    So when the EU says things like “Welcome to hell” at the negotiating table, as well as promising to “teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means”, or calling it an “an educational process” for the UK... when they say there are "extremely serious consequences" for leaving, none of that comes off as throwing the UK under the bus?

    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow. You can make all the comments you want about Brexit, but you'd have to be either grossly uninformed or intentionally obtuse to ignore the open threats the EU has been making.


    You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.
    lilJoe457 1 week ago#56
    Why would anyone want the EU? Why would you want an institution that can override the laws made by the officials you elected? People you never elected can change rules. That's ridiculous.
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    scar the 1 1 week ago#57
    lilJoe457 posted...
    Why would anyone want the EU? Why would you want an institution that can override the laws made by the officials you elected? People you never elected can change rules. That's ridiculous.

    Disregarding the inaccuracies of this, you realize we vote for the European parliament, too, right?
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    s0nicfan 1 week ago#58
    JE19426 posted...

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.


    So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good.
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    JE19426 1 week ago#59
    lilJoe457 posted...
    Why would you want an institution that can override the laws made by the officials you elected? People you never elected can change rules. That's ridiculous.


    The same any other countries have that.

    s0nicfan posted...
    So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good.


    Yes, we're in agreement about, it was obvious from long before Brexit was named. They'd have a lot harder job if the UK government was doing a decent job fighting them on it.
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    BalanceLost 1 week ago#60
    Morgan Johansson, Minister of Justice and the Interior, says the Government is looking at options to keep the controls on "another legal basis" than the current one. The Government is also increasing the controls now.

    So to be continued.
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    BalanceLost 1 week ago#61
    Bump
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    HellsingOrg 1 week ago#62
    So can other EU citizens just move over to Sweden now or is this just for migrants?
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    scar the 1 1 week ago#63
    HellsingOrg posted...
    So can other EU citizens just move over to Sweden now or is this just for migrants?

    I would think that, by definition, a citizen from a non-Sweden EU country moving to Sweden would be a migrant. That's sort of what the word means.
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    BalanceLost 1 week ago#64
    HellsingOrg posted...
    So can other EU citizens just move over to Sweden now or is this just for migrants?

    EU citizens have been allowed in through the controls all along. Anything else would have resulted in heavy fines. But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.
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    JE19426 1 week ago#65
    BalanceLost posted...
    But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.


    Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.
    BalanceLost 1 week ago#66
    JE19426 posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.


    Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.

    Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too.
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    Funkydog  question him ALWAYS1 week ago#67
    s0nicfan posted...
    JE19426 posted...

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.


    So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good.

    I mean, you'd have to be very naive to not always assume this was this going to be the case - even before the vote happened. We were never going to come out well from it, as the EU doesn't want other countries getting idea's, so if they can make a place like the UK suffer, then what chance does any other country have for escaping safely?
    BalanceLost posted...
    JE19426 posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.


    Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.

    Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too.

    I thought Sweden used a loophole to not adopt the Euro.
    BalanceLost 1 week ago#69
    NibeIungsnarf posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    JE19426 posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.


    Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.

    Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too.

    I thought Sweden used a loophole to not adopt the Euro.

    We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.
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    scar the 1 1 week ago#70
    BalanceLost posted...
    We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.

    AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.
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    BalanceLost 1 week ago#71
    scar the 1 posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.

    AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.

    I don't remember the exact phrasing cuz I was just a kid but I believe we are members of the EMU in parts but not completely even if you disregard the Euro.
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    ROBANN_88 1 week ago#72
    BalanceLost posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    BalanceLost posted...
    We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.

    AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.

    I don't remember the exact phrasing cuz I was just a kid but I believe we are members of the EMU in parts but not completely even if you disregard the Euro.


    i thought we voted against joining the EMU entirely, and the Euro would have been part of the EMU
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    scar the 1 6 days ago#73
    ROBANN_88 posted...
    i thought we voted against joining the EMU entirely, and the Euro would have been part of the EMU

    From what I remember, the pro side's strongest argument was "We already joined the EMU, this is the final step of what we already promised", hence "Ja till euron", while the nay side wanted us out of the EMU completely, hence "Nej till EMU" specifically.
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    PBusted 5 days ago#74
    EU is just getting more and more insane.
    s0nicfan posted...
    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow

    Think it's kind of backfiring though
    Real subtle
    scar the 1 4 days ago#76
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow

    Think it's kind of backfiring though

    Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?
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    DreadedWave 4 days ago#77
    Newhopes posted...
    Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.

    Name one country that was destroyed by immigration.
    scar the 1 4 days ago#78
    DreadedWave posted...
    Newhopes posted...
    Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.

    Name one country that was destroyed by immigration.

    Native America :^)
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    scar the 1 posted...
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow

    Think it's kind of backfiring though

    Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?

    I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizens
    Real subtle
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    scar the 1 posted...
    DreadedWave posted...
    Newhopes posted...
    Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.

    Name one country that was destroyed by immigration.

    Native America :^)

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    As someone who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't completely understand the inner workings of it, it kind of blows my mind how not everybody has to play by the same rules and how there seem to be like different tiers of membership in the EU.
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    scar the 1 2 days ago#85
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow

    Think it's kind of backfiring though

    Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?

    I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizens

    Got any polling data to back up that notion? Not trying to call you out, I'd be legitimately interested in seeing it.

    Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
    As someone who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't completely understand the inner workings of it, it kind of blows my mind how not everybody has to play by the same rules and how there seem to be like different tiers of membership in the EU.

    The US has different tiers of membership, too.
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    scar the 1 posted...
    The US has different tiers of membership, too.

    Yeah, but that's not even close to the same thing.
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    scar the 1 2 days ago#87
    Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    The US has different tiers of membership, too.

    Yeah, but that's not even close to the same thing.

    True! Lesser membership in the US requires you to pay just as much taxes etc, but you don't get to vote for president.
    Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.
    MangaFan462 2 days ago#88
    Life in Sweden is gonna get even worse.
    scar the 1 2 days ago#89
    MangaFan462 posted...
    Life in Sweden is gonna get even worse.

    Life in Sweden is pretty good. There are some flaws with the social safety nets so people fall through the cracks, but there aren't a lot of better places.
    Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.
    JE19426 2 days ago#90
    DifferentialEquation posted...
    The EU will collapse. It's more or less communism


    You either know eff all about Communism or you know eff all about the EU. Or both I guess.
    scar the 1 2 days ago#91
    JE19426 posted...
    DifferentialEquation posted...
    The EU will collapse. It's more or less communism


    You either know eff all about Communism or you know eff all about the EU. Or both I guess.

    Look who you're talking to.
    Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.
    Flintgrandad 16 hours ago#92
    scar the 1 posted...
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    scar the 1 posted...
    SubtletyRefuge posted...
    s0nicfan posted...
    The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow

    Think it's kind of backfiring though

    Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?

    I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizens

    Got any polling data to back up that notion? Not trying to call you out, I'd be legitimately interested in seeing it.

    Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
    As someone who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't completely understand the inner workings of it, it kind of blows my mind how not everybody has to play by the same rules and how there seem to be like different tiers of membership in the EU.

    The US has different tiers of membership, too.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/783836/Sweden-Polls-Elections-Referendum-Migrant-Crisis
    It's not near the majority but nationalist votes have been steadily rising the last 3 years.
    scar the 1 8 hours ago#93
    Flintgrandad posted...
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/783836/Sweden-Polls-Elections-Referendum-Migrant-Crisis
    It's not near the majority but nationalist votes have been steadily rising the last 3 years.

    This has nothing to do with the EU, though. Yes, there are EU critics, there always has been. But just citing SD's growth isn't enough to conclude that "people are starting to look down on the restrictions".
    And well, SD doesn't really seem to understand what EU membership actually entails, but that's another issue.
    Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.
    1. Boards
    2. Current Events 
    3. The EU is forcing Sweden to end its border controls on November 12th.

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