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The Swedish PM introduced them in November 2015 and they made immigration numbers drop like a rock. Now the EU is demanding their removal by November 12th since they violate the EU law of free movement within the EU.
Support for the controls here in Sweden is high so this could lead to a decrease in positive attitude toward the EU.
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It'll be interesting to see this play out. I don't know much about the appeal process, but I would think that Sweden could try and make their case in an EU court that since a lot of other EU countries didn't honor their refugee agreements, borders had to be closed.
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how about they say no and leave the EU? make a statement that they wont let their citizens get killed.
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This is why Brexit happened.
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The entire eastern bloc has border controls in place and none of them are planning on changing it. If the EU wants to make this the hill they die on, that's fine by me, but you're more likely to see a breakway union forming than you are all these nations suddenly falling in line.
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It's funny how Angela Merkel gets to pick and choose when EU law gets followed. Like how she was just able to declare that EU law was no longer going to be followed when it came to the "refugees" and the law about them having to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach.
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JE19426 posted...
snesmaster40 posted...This is why Brexit happened. Too much EU control being asserted over a nation's dominion. A full 30% of the UK's laws are EU laws. They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries. Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country. All these things combined make people in the UK feel like their nation was being taken away from them, and that led to the rebellion that was Brexit.
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scar the 1 posted...
s0nicfan posted...Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country That probably is a silly sentence when divorced from the context of everything else I said.
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I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. Hey, you're on CE man, where everyone is an expert about everything everywhere in the world and to where admit you may not be informed as others is a sign of weakness. |
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. Just like how non Americans think they're experts about our government and s*** on Trump like he's their leader.
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s0nicfan posted...
They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries. That totally false. All EU countries have access to each others fishing grounds. They all have a limited specific amount they can fish but they are no limits on where they fish. Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country. How so? |
Yeah being able to discern that trump is a s***head is def the same as offering expert opinion on supposed no go areas in europe and the mindset of individual european people
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JE19426 posted...
s0nicfan posted...They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries. To the first point, being told they can't fish in their own waters isn't entirely different from being told they can't catch as much fish as they want because other countries get a share too. My point was more their territorial waters had been divvied up, but I was incorrect on to what extent. To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. Yet anyone who is for this is automatically an expert on the subject, eh dork?
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NinjaBreakfast posted...I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.
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s0nicfan posted...
To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing. Except for the fact that it's untrue. The UK isn't a member of the Schengen Area and is largly free to limit immigration from non-EU countries. Other EU countries are unhappy about that but unable to do much to stop it. |
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NinjaBreakfast posted...I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. God you people are bad at this
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s0nicfan posted...
scar the 1 posted...s0nicfan posted...Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country No, it's a silly sentence even within that context :)
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Newhopes posted...
PoopPotato posted...EU is gonna collapse in 15 years You forgot your echoes |
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NinjaBreakfast posted...I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. this is so f***ing true |
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries. I base most of my statements regarding the EU and Sweden specifically on the conversations I've had with my Swedish friends, and I've always been open about that. |
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off?
though, i suspect the politicians wouldn't do that even if he could. |
FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world It was only ever meant to be a trade union. I'm still not 100% sure how it went from that to asserting control over the continent.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah |
JE19426 posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off? if this was a few years ago i might have said that we probably should, but after the absolute s***show that is Brexit, it's clear that that would cause even more problems. |
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JE19426 posted...ROBANN_88 posted...is it possible for us to just tell the EU to f*** off? What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.
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- The EU is forcing Sweden to end its border controls on November 12th.
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- The EU is forcing Sweden to end its border controls on November 12th.
JE19426 posted...s0nicfan posted...
What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.
The EU doesn't need throw the UK under the bus. The UK is jumping under it, all on their free will.
So when the EU says things like “Welcome to hell” at the negotiating table, as well as promising to “teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means”, or calling it an “an educational process” for the UK... when they say there are "extremely serious consequences" for leaving, none of that comes off as throwing the UK under the bus?
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow. You can make all the comments you want about Brexit, but you'd have to be either grossly uninformed or intentionally obtuse to ignore the open threats the EU has been making."History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltzs0nicfan posted...So when the EU says things like “Welcome to hell” at the negotiating table, as well as promising to “teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means”, or calling it an “an educational process” for the UK... when they say there are "extremely serious consequences" for leaving, none of that comes off as throwing the UK under the bus?
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow. You can make all the comments you want about Brexit, but you'd have to be either grossly uninformed or intentionally obtuse to ignore the open threats the EU has been making.
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.lilJoe457 posted...Why would anyone want the EU? Why would you want an institution that can override the laws made by the officials you elected? People you never elected can change rules. That's ridiculous.
Disregarding the inaccuracies of this, you realize we vote for the European parliament, too, right?Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.JE19426 posted...
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.
So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good."History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless WaltzlilJoe457 posted...Why would you want an institution that can override the laws made by the officials you elected? People you never elected can change rules. That's ridiculous.
The same any other countries have that.
s0nicfan posted...So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good.
Yes, we're in agreement about, it was obvious from long before Brexit was named. They'd have a lot harder job if the UK government was doing a decent job fighting them on it.Morgan Johansson, Minister of Justice and the Interior, says the Government is looking at options to keep the controls on "another legal basis" than the current one. The Government is also increasing the controls now.
So to be continued."BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrixHellsingOrg posted...So can other EU citizens just move over to Sweden now or is this just for migrants?
I would think that, by definition, a citizen from a non-Sweden EU country moving to Sweden would be a migrant. That's sort of what the word means.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.HellsingOrg posted...So can other EU citizens just move over to Sweden now or is this just for migrants?
EU citizens have been allowed in through the controls all along. Anything else would have resulted in heavy fines. But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law."BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrixJE19426 posted...BalanceLost posted...
But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.
Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.
Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too."BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrixs0nicfan posted...JE19426 posted...
You need to work on your reading comprehension. I said they don't need to throw the UK under the bus, not that they won't or aren't.
So we're in agreement that the EU is making a show of screwing over the UK so others don't try to follow their footsteps. Good.
I mean, you'd have to be very naive to not always assume this was this going to be the case - even before the vote happened. We were never going to come out well from it, as the EU doesn't want other countries getting idea's, so if they can make a place like the UK suffer, then what chance does any other country have for escaping safely?BalanceLost posted...JE19426 posted...
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But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.
Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.
Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too.
I thought Sweden used a loophole to not adopt the Euro.NibeIungsnarf posted...BalanceLost posted...
JE19426 posted...
BalanceLost posted...
But it is the very concept of border controls between EU countries which also go against EU law.
Except for the UK and Ireland which have been allowed to have them between other EU countries.
Yeah, similar to how we and Denmark have been given the choice to keep our own currencies. That goes for the UK too.
I thought Sweden used a loophole to not adopt the Euro.
We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result."BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrixBalanceLost posted...We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.
AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.scar the 1 posted...BalanceLost posted...
We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.
AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.
I don't remember the exact phrasing cuz I was just a kid but I believe we are members of the EMU in parts but not completely even if you disregard the Euro."BalanceLost has a steam-powered PS2 because Sweden don't have electric" - dimeanatrixBalanceLost posted...scar the 1 posted...
BalanceLost posted...
We held a referendum and the anti-Euro side won and the EU accepted the result.
AFAIK it was "should we adopt to the Euro at this time"? Because I was under the impression that we already entered the EMU and the Euro was just the final step, which we postponed indefinitely.
I don't remember the exact phrasing cuz I was just a kid but I believe we are members of the EMU in parts but not completely even if you disregard the Euro.
i thought we voted against joining the EMU entirely, and the Euro would have been part of the EMUROBANN_88 posted...i thought we voted against joining the EMU entirely, and the Euro would have been part of the EMU
From what I remember, the pro side's strongest argument was "We already joined the EMU, this is the final step of what we already promised", hence "Ja till euron", while the nay side wanted us out of the EMU completely, hence "Nej till EMU" specifically.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.SubtletyRefuge posted...s0nicfan posted...
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow
Think it's kind of backfiring though
Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.Newhopes posted...Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.
Name one country that was destroyed by immigration.scar the 1 posted...SubtletyRefuge posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow
Think it's kind of backfiring though
Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?
I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizensReal subtlescar the 1 posted...DreadedWave posted...
Newhopes posted...
Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.
Name one country that was destroyed by immigration.
Native America :^)
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TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.pngSubtletyRefuge posted...scar the 1 posted...
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s0nicfan posted...
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow
Think it's kind of backfiring though
Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?
I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizens
Got any polling data to back up that notion? Not trying to call you out, I'd be legitimately interested in seeing it.
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...As someone who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't completely understand the inner workings of it, it kind of blows my mind how not everybody has to play by the same rules and how there seem to be like different tiers of membership in the EU.
The US has different tiers of membership, too.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.scar the 1 posted...The US has different tiers of membership, too.
Yeah, but that's not even close to the same thing.~A little nonsense, now and then, is relished by the wisest men ~
TWSSted since~ 3/27/12 https://i.imgur.com/zlaENmx.pngTrigg3rH4ppy posted...scar the 1 posted...
The US has different tiers of membership, too.
Yeah, but that's not even close to the same thing.
True! Lesser membership in the US requires you to pay just as much taxes etc, but you don't get to vote for president.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.Life in Sweden is gonna get even worse.scar the 1 posted...SubtletyRefuge posted...
scar the 1 posted...
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s0nicfan posted...
The EU has been pretty open about using the UK to scare off other countries from leaving. Junker himself said he'd make an example of the UK that no one would want to follow
Think it's kind of backfiring though
Who is leaving the EU specifically because the EU are trying to make an example out of the UK?
I mean, it seems like more people are starting to look down on the restrictions including a lot of Swedish citizens
Got any polling data to back up that notion? Not trying to call you out, I'd be legitimately interested in seeing it.
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...As someone who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't completely understand the inner workings of it, it kind of blows my mind how not everybody has to play by the same rules and how there seem to be like different tiers of membership in the EU.
The US has different tiers of membership, too.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/783836/Sweden-Polls-Elections-Referendum-Migrant-Crisis
It's not near the majority but nationalist votes have been steadily rising the last 3 years.Flintgrandad posted...http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/783836/Sweden-Polls-Elections-Referendum-Migrant-Crisis
It's not near the majority but nationalist votes have been steadily rising the last 3 years.
This has nothing to do with the EU, though. Yes, there are EU critics, there always has been. But just citing SD's growth isn't enough to conclude that "people are starting to look down on the restrictions".
And well, SD doesn't really seem to understand what EU membership actually entails, but that's another issue.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.- Boards
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