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Stars of Ocean’s 8, the heist movie featuring all-female leads, have accused male critics of failing to appreciate their film. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/15/oceans-8-dominance-men-film-reviews -- I guess they are taking a que from Star Wars and blaming ever negative review on sexism.
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.....I literally did not even realize they were making an Ocean's 8.
I'd blame marketing.
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I mean, in both RT scores and 7 day gross, 8 has done better than 12. And 12 was pretty hyped coming off 11.
Maybe the entire series after 11 is just lackluster. It's not like the reviews are even that bad or anything.
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LockeMonster posted...
I mean, in both RT scores and 7 day gross, 8 has done better than 12. And 12 was pretty hyped coming off 11. That one came out like years and years ago. So I guess if you adjust from inflation it might not look so good for 8. And with the Incredibles coming out this week , I don't think it will have legs.
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12 wasn't very good, i stopped watching after that
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Sure, because movies like Shape of Water, or Lady Bird with female leads, weren't some of the biggest movies of last year.
Make a movie that actually looks interesting and I'll watch it. Not a sequel noone wanted, without the actors who we loved on those movies in the first place.
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It seems like Mindy Kaling has a habit of blaming all of her woes on outside influences instead of her just not being very talented or likeable.
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DrizztLink posted...
It seems like Mindy Kaling has a habit of blaming all of her woes on outside influences instead of her just not being very talented or likeable. Yeah let’s just ignore reviewers are super left wing and the reviews for ghostbusters literally mentioned evil sexism in every positive review. This wasn’t as bad but didn’t have the backlash. I mean look at the reviews compared to audience scores. |
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cjsdowg posted...
That one came out like years and years ago. So I guess if you adjust from inflation it might not look so good for 8. And with the Incredibles coming out this week , I don't think it will have legs. Currently 8 is 60 and 12 was 50. Adjusted for inflation puts 12 at around 65. Not much difference, plus it had an extra $40 million for the budget compared to 8 and reviews are not subject to inflation.
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It's sad because no one challenges these people on their statements or even says "Could it be because it wasn't very good?"
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NeonOctopus posted...
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Most of the criticism has been aimed at the director, who is male. Their objection makes no sense.
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Sometimes shitty movies are just shitty movies, but if there's a primarily female cast, they just tout it as sexism. Ghost Busters Reboot was a really shitty movie, and not in an enjoyable way.
Resident Evil and Underworld movies are really shitty, but in a fun way. Nobody downs that. These movies are just trying to make a statement and not trying to make a compelling movie. The story, acting, and directing are all secondary to the pat on the back that they're looking for
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Drop the victim complex and stop being so entitled. People don't have to love your movie just because you have vaginas.
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These topics are like lightning rods for incels
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thelovefist posted...
These topics are like lightning rods for incels "You only dislike this movies because you hates womenz!" "No I just thought it was bad." "UR AN INCEL!" Jesus christ
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?
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YourDrunkFather posted...
Drop the victim complex and stop being so entitled. People don't have to love your movie just because you have vaginas.
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I don't even know that it existed. Barely any advertisements for it anywhere and I usually am on.top of movies.
Bit it has been a long ass time since the original Oceans 11 that I didn't ask for this anyway. |
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scar the 1 posted...
Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no? no
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Mister_Spyker posted...
Sure, because movies like Shape of Water, or Lady Bird with female leads, weren't some of the biggest movies of last year. This is a really shitty comparison.
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cjsdowg posted...
I guess they are taking a que from Star Wars and blaming ever negative review on sexism. In a way. I think it's a bit more complicated than that. In the case of Star Wars, it was basically "this is Star Wars, nerds. You should like it because it's doing Star Wars things, no matter who the main character is". Whereas for Ocean's 8 it's more like "this movie wasn't made for white men, so why are white men the majority of the ones reviewing it?" Not to mention that Star Wars actually had the critics' back and it was the fanbase that rebelled, whereas in this case, they don't have the critics either. This is more in line with the Brie Larson Wrinkle In Time topic we had earlier this week. The idea that certain movies would be reviewed better if the review base was more diverse. Then again, I haven't seen either, so I have no opinion on either Wrinkle in Time or Ocean's 8.
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scar the 1 posted...
Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no? Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant. Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews. |
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Esrac posted...
Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women Again, it's a little more complicated than that. Different people with different backgrounds can have different perspectives on a story. Take Get Out for example. It's a very obvious example, because the vast majority of critics did approve it. There were aspects of Get Out that make a lot of sense if you grew up in the American black experience, and the movie went well out of its way to show that. There are other movies that are similar in how they show the black experience (either realistically or fantastically), but the facets are more subtle, and it would take someone who did grow up in the black American experience to catch on. This is not to say we should be touting the idea of "X movie is only good if you're black", BUT with a more diverse review base, we can more easily determine which audience responds well to a movie, and whether the critical response is due to culture or actual quality.
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RAWR! Not everyone can get by on their cute looks like yours truly! *fans self*
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I had my eye on this title because I'm down for more of Ocean's heist shenanigans. Just a bit apprehensive since they cast people like Rihanna for a high profile movie like this. Shame it doesn't seem to be going so well for them.
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Was it also sexist that I didn't care to watch any of the Ocean's movies?
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I thought it was well received.
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creativerealms posted...
I thought it was well received. As well received as Ghostbusters?!
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Also, speaking of Mindy Kaling:
https://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/ |
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I didn't like it that much. It didn't have the charm and it wasn't funny like the other Ocean's films.
 Awkwafina was probably the best part of Ocean's 8. It should have just been called Ocean's 1 starring her. |
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CyricZ posted...
cjsdowg posted...I guess they are taking a que from Star Wars and blaming ever negative review on sexism. What? The way you make it sound most of the bad reviews are from men. That's just not true.
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cjsdowg posted...
Speaking to Yahoo Movies, Mindy Kaling called the dominance of white male reviewers “unfair”. “If I had to base my career on what white men wanted I would be very unsuccessful, so there is obviously an audience out there who want to watch things like [Ocean’s 8], what I work on, what Sarah [Paulson] works on.” Why does it always come back to white men specifically? If they simply want to complain about men in general reviewing the film that would be one thing, but they just love bitch about about white men at any opportunity.
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Didn't the movie have a higher opening than any Oceans movie? Also, was it any good? I never even saw 12 and 13, but 11 was pretty great, and this one looked cool at least.
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DifferentialEquation posted...
cjsdowg posted...Speaking to Yahoo Movies, Mindy Kaling called the dominance of white male reviewers “unfair”. “If I had to base my career on what white men wanted I would be very unsuccessful, so there is obviously an audience out there who want to watch things like [Ocean’s 8], what I work on, what Sarah [Paulson] works on.” Considering that those same white males won't hesitate to pan a film even if it's catering to their demographic ( e.g. the last Die Hard movie, the last Terminator movie etc.), her argument holds no water. Besides, what exactly about the premise of a heist movie starring attractive women wouldnt appeal to men? What gender-specific nuances, if any, wouldnt they get? Maybe it just didnt turn out well. Its not like this movie had nostalgia working against it like the Ghostbusters fiasco.
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16-BITTER posted...
Its not like this movie had nostalgia working against it like the Ghostbusters fiasco Think again! Many people see the reboot of Ocean's 11 starring Brad Pitt & George Clooney as a bonafide modern classic! Even if it was just an average movie! & Despite having a different title, we all know this is just a female reboot a la Ghostbusters. Anywho, it doesn't matter if you're white, black or both! This movie probably SUCKS!
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lol
I did enjoy Ocean's 11 back when it came out, but it definitely wasnt making any top lists for me and I haven't felt compelled to watch it since.
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@thelovefist posted...These topics are like lightning rods for incels got 'em gorebyss
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cjsdowg posted...Speaking to Yahoo Movies, Mindy Kaling called the dominance of white male reviewers “unfair”. “If I had to base my career on what white men wanted I would be very unsuccessful, so there is obviously an audience out there who want to watch things like [Ocean’s 8], what I work on, what Sarah [Paulson] works on.” Because white men hold the most power over every other race of men. |
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creativerealms posted...
What? The way you make it sound most of the bad reviews are from men. That's just not true. Is that not a fact? I'm not suggesting no white men liked it, but your statement of "most of the bad reviews are from men" is likely true. Of course, most of the good reviews are from men as well, because of the skewed demographics of the critic base. And that's my whole point, and the point of the argument of a more diverse critic base.
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CyricZ posted...
creativerealms posted...What? The way you make it sound most of the bad reviews are from men. That's just not true. ^ they got a point there. Most good reviews were also from white males. I bet they don't mind having those white males review the movie. It's the other white males that didn't fawn all over it they mind reviewing the movie.
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thelovefist posted...
These topics are like lightning rods for incels Anyone that uses that word likely don't have much of a life themselves, seems like something a cuck would use. |
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Honesty, I don't even think the original (well remake, I've never seen the actual original) wasn't really all that great, it was decent though. The sequels were just bad and milked something that should've only been a one off thing.
I didn't even know this was coming out yet. Haven't seen ads or heard anything. I heard when it was announced because of all the bitter anti SJW's crying and then all the SJW's acting like it's the greatest thing to ever happen and shitting on anyone who thought it was a stupid idea of who wasn't actively praising it.
The above post is literally and objectively right.
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CookieMarvin posted...
^^look, there’s one now!!! You're a cuck? |
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CookieMarvin posted...^^look, there’s one now!!! hey, that’d probably be better than resenting women because they won’t have sex w you |
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I disliked every single one of them so I ain't watching another addition to this crappy and repetitive franchise.
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xBloodBrotherx posted...(well remake, I've never seen the actual original)
Apparently it's kinda crap. It's a Rat Pack vehicle and they made stealing from casinos look like the easiest thing in the world.CyricZCookieMarvin posted...KainFourteh posted...
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hey, that’d probably be better than resenting women because they won’t have sex w you
You seem to be making up a lot of shit, though I shouldn't expect anything less from someone defending SJW labels, lol.(edited 5 hours ago)Honestly, it probably got more positive reviews than it should have simply because of the narrative.Platinum GameFAQs Member
https://imgur.com/VgwI8qOscar the 1 posted...Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?
Meh maybe. If it's such a problem though people should try to get some women into critiquing instead of always using ''white men critics' as one of their fall-back excuses when a movie doesn't get good reviews.You're such a boring characterless entity. Try getting laid once in a while and maybe you'll have friends and find out what a "joke" is. - derrateEsrac posted...scar the 1 posted...
Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?
Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.
Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.
Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.stoltenberg11 posted...If it's such a problem though people should try to get some women into critiquing instead of always using ''white men critics' as one of their fall-back excuses when a movie doesn't get good reviews.
Well yeah, we should do that.
The critic base becomes more diverse.
And y'all don't have to hear the "white male critics" angle that so annoys you.
Win win.CyricZMindy recently accused all the men at a graduation ceremony of being possible sexual predators and then told the men not to listen to part of her speech because they will make more money in life over their female counterparts.
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(well remake, I've never seen the actual original)
Apparently it's kinda crap. It's a Rat Pack vehicle and they made stealing from casinos look like the easiest thing in the world.
Yeah, when I figured out it even existed that's basically all I expected it to be and never bothered to watch it.The above post is literally and objectively right.Meme movie for women living a life of memes.
No wonder it's terrible.New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees.Must be nice that these people can take zero responsibility and blame all their failures on sexism.Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017
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Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.
Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.
Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate.Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
Because all white men think the same and all have the same experiences right?One bourbon,one scotch,one beerHollywood: 🚑 💦"message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888YourDrunkFather posted...scar the 1 posted...
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Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate.Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
Because all white men think the same and all have the same experiences right?
I'm sorry, it was a clumsy wording from my side. Let's try and rephrase:
But when the critics are dominated by white men, several perspectives will be underrepresented/missing. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.@scar_the_1
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How many white men should be allowed to be critics? At what lower percentage of white men does the body of critics become diverse?Do good.
Eat communists.I never saw any of the movies because all of the trailers failed to impress me. Guess I'm sexist against men too! Uh-oh.Prism Ranger (Red): Isn't it obvious? We don't have any friends!
Disgaea: Hour of DarknessI never saw any marketing for this film and only once saw a poster in the theaters, how the hell can they expect a film to be a hit without there being previews shown and stronger marketing.
Ghostbusters 2016 had a lot of marketing and people knew about it, Ocean’s 8 is practically an unknown, no one even knows it was coming out.doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back.scar the 1 posted...Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?
No because if that is your excuse then all movies with white male leads would always have positive ratings from white male reviewers. Which of course is not true.
Highwind07 posted...I don't even know that it existed. Barely any advertisements for it anywhere and I usually am on.top of movies.
Bit it has been a long ass time since the original Oceans 11 that I didn't ask for this anyway.
And this. No marketing whatsoever of Ocean 8.[Insert tired meme here]HiddenLurker posted...No because if that is your excuse then all movies with white male leads would always have positive ratings from white male reviewers. Which of course is not true.
No, because I'm not saying that while male reviewers will always prefer movies movies with white male leads. Generally, one could try and make a similar case, along the lines of "movies are made by men, rated by men, so they will perpetuate norms and structures". But I don't think it's necessary to even go that far. It's enough to acknowledge that a diverse set of critics would offer more perspectives than a set of critics dominated by one demographic.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.I liked it but that's because I'm a fan of the Oceans movies.
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How many white men should be allowed to be critics? At what lower percentage of white men does the body of critics become diverse?
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how many white men should we allow to be employed in any given sector???Do good.
Eat communists.NurseRedHeart posted...I liked it but that's because I'm a fan of the Oceans movies.
I understand why it's not doing so well though, gender swaps are extremely lazy in terms of innovation.
I'm curious as someone who hasn't seen it: is it in your mind any way distinct from the previous movies other than the gender swap?CyricZYourDrunkFather posted...Drop the victim complex and stop being so entitled. People don't have to love your movie just because you have vaginas.
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if it was a legitimately funny movie that was interesting and well made, they'd get better reviews.Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm.
Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland!Guerrilla Soldier posted...if it was a legitimately funny movie that was interesting and well made, they'd get better reviews.
This, people won't shit on a great movie just because it has a diverse cast; if anything they're more likely to inflate a bad movie to promote the diverse cast.The folks who know about frostiness stay frostiest the most.lmao at CyricZ ignoring legitimate questions. When did he become such a weasel for casual racism against white people?Do good.
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Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?It’s true though, if it was all male it would have better reception
#metoo3DS FC: 4554-0309-4782knuxnole posted...It’s true though, if it was all male it would have better reception
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Eat communists.Ivynn posted...I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?
same way trump addresses thingsIvynn posted...I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?
They technically did by asking them "How do you address the mixed reviews". It's a silly question to ask individual actors in a movie, but they do it anyway.CyricZscar the 1 posted...Esrac posted...
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Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.
Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.
Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.Esrac posted...scar the 1 posted...
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Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
scar really went off the deep end in the last few years. He tries hard to just skirt around it but there is basically no position that is too far left or SJW for him.Do good.
Eat communists.Esrac posted...That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
Okay, so let's look at the other end, the one you're pushing.
Here in a booth we have two white men.
Here in another booth we have a white man and, let's say for simplicity, a white woman.
Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?CyricZEsrac posted...That's bulls***, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
Please see my revised phrasing. My point isn't about all white men having the same perspective, it's about the perspectives of other demographics that don't get heard.Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.CyricZ posted...Esrac posted...
That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
Okay, so let's look at the other end, the one you're pushing.
Here in a booth we have two white men.
Here in another booth we have a white man and, let's say for simplicity, a white woman.
Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?
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There is no reason to assume two white men will have the same perspective as one another on account of their skin color or gender. That is fucking racist and sexist.Do good.
Eat communists.lmao cyric literally thinks being a white male means you're part of a hivemind
didn't he claim to be a white male tooFLUFFYGERM posted...CyricZ posted...
Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?
There is no reason to assume two white men will have the same perspective as one another on account of their skin color or gender. That is fucking racist and sexist.
This.
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That's bulls***, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
Please see my revised phrasing. My point isn't about all white men having the same perspective, it's about the perspectives of other demographics that don't get heard.
When do you stop dividing people into various labels? Is Hollywood racist/sexist since they don't have enough Romanian critics? Or Buddhist critics? Or pansexual critics?Do good.
Eat communists.KingKongKnows posted...lmao cyric literally thinks being a white male means you're part of a hivemind
didn't he claim to be a white male too
he's gotta be a joke account. there is no way this amount of cognitive dissonance could manifest inside of a real person. dude is def a parody.Do good.
Eat communists.if he is a white male then he proved his own claims wrong that all white males are alike
because he has a different opinion to some of the white males in this topic thus proving that hes wrong
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It’s true though, if it was all male it would have better reception
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The world.
So basically you have no source and need to deflect to the delusions of a far left mentality in order to try to have an argument? LMAODo good.
Eat communists.Vyrulisse posted..."Could it be because it wasn't very good?"
Because that would be committing career suicide."And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true,
can you?"FLUFFYGERM posted...So basically you have no source and need to deflect to the delusions of a far left mentality in order to try to have an argument?
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